Shinobi Legends Forum
Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Council => Topic started by: Moonfire on June 23, 2016, 10:18:18 PM
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Oi, Council guys, time for the next thing, apperantly. If you wonder it is about this here:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8968.0.html
Challenge from Bocchiere towards Warren!
A week passed till issuing it and nothing happened.
I do know that there was some sort of conflict i between both ? We may want to hear their sides and discuss this further.
Thus far, only open for council members, to discuss! ( Unless you dudes got a better idea, I apologize also for late replies, time zones make it difficult)
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The only real question is if Warren was aware of the challenge.
Per the post, he has Bocc ignored, so if he, say, hasn't been keeping up with the forum or was on vacation or whatever, then he probably wouldn't see it at all.
Otherwise, there real isn't anything to do besides go through the standard inactive host routine, assuming it'd just fall under the bijuu rules.
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You guys could keep assuming or going with 'if' they did this or that or.....go on SL and ask them, eh? Both are on there at LEAST once a day so there's no way they won't get your message. GG.
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yEah does the Gedo count into the bijuu rules? I mean just recently it was decided that it can be battled about, but. Is it a bijuu? No. It is...a statue thing, is it not?
I also think it was once claimed , just so no one else would claim it and cause chaos or something. But this is just my guess and something i would do.
Yes, i would claim something just so it doesn't fall into hands of others.
how about letting them state their version of the situation in ONE post here? and then we just decide how to go from there?
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Yes it is a bijuu as far as the rules are concerned. That was the point of the topic. It is now challengeable under the bijuu rules similar to the Reibi.
We all knew this would happen. Warren isn't willing to defend the mazo so he said from the get go he'd ignore the rule change if the vote didn't go in his favor. The topic was open for 2 weeks and as legit as any other change we've made.
If he's not willing to follow the bijuu rules he gets stripped. Simple.
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well since god and everyone are making comments in the council meeting...
I have to question the legitimacy of changing the rule on how a claimed item is handled just so it can be now something the owner is forced to risk losing in combat to another person, ie: bijuu status. By voting on it or not. As it was before the issue was brought up and voted upon, the owner was obeying the existing rules.
As such , the issue on whether it can be challenged for needs to be settled before the issue of the ignored challenge can be dealt with.
I feel that is a very pertinent point.
There were already rules governing the use and ownership of this item, and they were being obeyed. As a claimed item, rules for its governance already were in play. Additionally, its use has to date not been used to bring harm to other player characters by its current owner. Were this an issue to debuff the item, an attempt to keep it from being too OP...then the issue would be similar to that of the creation of Edo Tense rules. But it is not.
I call for an agenda to precede the matter of the challenge to Warren, by calling into question the legitimacy of changing it from a claimed item to a challengable bijuu.
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As such , the issue on whether it can be challenged for needs to be settled before the issue of the ignored challenge can be dealt with.
I feel that is a very pertinent point.
I call for an agenda to precede the matter of the challenge to Warren, by calling into question the legitimacy of changing it from a claimed item to a challengable bijuu.
I'm in the pseudo council, remember? D;
Also it was also voted on by more than just the council that it has to be defended now. Even if you get the whole council to agree with you it doesn't just veto the the poll and topic Nekomaru made which was in favor of Bocc.
Question it all you want. It was voted in by what was it, 30 votes? It was close, but it was decided. You can't revert it just cause the council is a thing again.
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If it was decided that it fell under the Bijuu rules, then I see no reason for the stripping procedure to not take place.
If ya'll wanna keep fighting about it or overturn the decision, then it's not our [the Council's] decision and we don't need to hold this meeting.
But if A, then we still need the other three to do their jobs and take part in this.
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well since god and everyone are making comments in the council meeting...
I have to question the legitimacy of changing the rule on how a claimed item is handled just so it can be now something the owner is forced to risk losing in combat to another person...
The vote was, in the end, "for" the Gedo to become a challengable beast. The populace who cared voted, the deal is done, it is irrevelent, at this stage, the motivations behind the motion being made in the first place. The caring population, the supreme authority in rule making, made its choice:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8948.105.html
Therefore, if Warren refuses to defend the Mazo because he does not recognize the legitimacy of the rule (or for whatever other reason) then he is due to be stripped of the Gedo Mazou. There is no check or balance on population voting power when it comes to making new rules or directly amending them, so what's done is what's done in this case.
If it were the Council suddenly making up a new rule or widely including the Mazou in a decision then we'd have a different issue, but the People voted on this matter.
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You people do realize you're just wasting your time, cause even if you tell him no he's going to claim it anyway? Not that I could have been forced to deal with him anyway, nor is this going to affect my doings either cause I could honestly care less of being "official" at this point after all I've been put through, all because "rules".
If anything your time would be better spent taking your things off the claimed list and recording them somewhere else, because this kind of "voting" only proves "ownership" of an item is meaningless now.
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Yeah because there are tons of other items that could be regarded as bijuu and could be changed in the same way to be logically included in the bijuu list.
So there you go he has no intention to defend the mazo or follow the bijuu rules. Not surprising since both of those have been his platform since he obtained the mazo and shukaku.
So if the council would like me to do an rp similar to what was done for the Reibi for ease of decision making that would be fine with me.
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Oh I've no doubt whatsoever you or whoever else could quite easily think up some other reason to run another "vote" and declare aaaanything challenge obligated.
No point running RPs or whatever for it either, the whole reason you put up the vote was to wait it down to the second it ended to post your topic if it was a "yes" anyway, just so you'd have priority demand others can't question.
Plus well its not like I could have just mysteriously lost it on my own for any conceivable IC reason since I'm voiding his existence and nobody ever actually came after me, nor am I going to stop playing with it anyway because with this I'm no longer bound by any "rules" whatsoever so whatever I do is no concern of the council, so frankly its the least brain cells wasted for everyone if you just swap the claim name to him and leave it at that.
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Okay, people . I said this is a council thread. I hereby warn all non council members for posting.
I wish i could do more than that.
To bocchiere and Warren, i suggested to post ONE post explaining your situation. I think you did just that sufficient enough.
If you need to have a dispute, i would kindly ask the both of you to take a quiet leave out of this thread. we are here to find a solution, not to watch a mudd wrestling match.
See yourselves warned as well. (PS to council members: We need to find a thing we can do if such things get overhand)
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Giving post warnings and calling Ace are about the max that can be done for the time being. Nevertheless, as Silver put it, Warren, Bocchiere, if you guys want to go at it take it somewhere else, especially since whining and spitting will get neither of you any further in this thread.
In related news, I'm not sure how a GM'd battle with the Gedo would even play out considering its much more limited moveset as compare to a standard biju. What does the rest of the Council think on that?
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If you guys want to propose an amendment to the bijuu rules to say no one can post in council topics unless the councilors permit it then go right ahead. Until then I don't see the need to stare at a question I know the answer to for 12 hours while I wait for one of you to get on.
Eric, the Mazo doesn't have any less moves than the Reibi, and the fight for that was quite fun. Silver's desire to have a fight for the Reibi was just so that there was some sort of rp to obtain the beast, if I understood correctly, and it is understood that the beast can't really put up any challenge against me anyway. The rp fight occurs just for the sake of an rp happening.
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http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8956.0.html
And this is exactly why I made the above topic. ;)
But then again, what do I know? :P
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The council members ultimately decide on bijuu stuff, but to make it where the community can't opinionate themselves on things isn't going to work. At all.
Take Bocc/Warren for instance this is about them and you're going to try to keep them from speaking? Makes no sense to me.
So make 2 topics. One for where anyone can post with the council members and then one where only council members can post and that's also where they'll say their votes?
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the purpose of the closed council session is to permit the members to discuss things without having to be open to potential trolling. It is how a body such as a jury comes to a decision.
Everyone in the world has already voiced their opinions, their side of the story, their views and biases, and quite a bit of their spleens by the Time it comes to a council vote.
It's an attempt to bring a bit of order to the chaos and I will back it to the day it falls apart.
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The council members ultimately decide on bijuu stuff, but to make it where the community can't opinionate themselves on things isn't going to work. At all.
Take Bocc/Warren for instance this is about them and you're going to try to keep them from speaking? Makes no sense to me.
So make 2 topics. One for where anyone can post with the council members and then one where only council members can post and that's also where they'll say their votes?
To you, i actually already said, i wish that you stop posting as well, i pretty much warned everyone. However, in only proposed to the rest of the council, that these two may post their side of the situation in exact one post. This is not impossible. We all should be capable enough to phrase our situations in one single post.
Sure the length may of the post may vary, but it is possible.
However it was a simple proposal and one among the council members. This proposal had no chance to actually be reviewed or discussed. I try to keep this away from a spamfest, so please do refrain from posting again, feel free to spam me per PMs if you must, or create a new thread.
the purpose of the closed council session is to permit the members to discuss things without having to be open to potential trolling. It is how a body such as a jury comes to a decision.
Everyone in the world has already voiced their opinions, their side of the story, their views and biases, and quite a bit of their spleens by the Time it comes to a council vote.
It's an attempt to bring a bit of order to the chaos and I will back it to the day it falls apart.
Now to you Kay, would you please also refrain from posting any longer, so that we can do what you said? I love imput, i really do. However i wish to get it from the council. I feel like the council has no meaning if everyone posts in their discussions...
I mean sure why not we can do that, but wasn't the council created to reduce potential trolling? And to increases solid decisions? I think so. And if you wanna answer, could you please do so in PMs? Thank you very much.
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I hope i did not came over as rude, for this was not my intention. I only attempt to keep this clean. And whilst i told you both to keep from posting, i did like your input and thank you for that.
However since i am about to keep this clean.
If you guys want to propose an amendment to the bijuu rules to say no one can post in council topics unless the councilors permit it then go right ahead. Until then I don't see the need to stare at a question I know the answer to for 12 hours while I wait for one of you to get on.
Eric, the Mazo doesn't have any less moves than the Reibi, and the fight for that was quite fun. Silver's desire to have a fight for the Reibi was just so that there was some sort of rp to obtain the beast, if I understood correctly, and it is understood that the beast can't really put up any challenge against me anyway. The rp fight occurs just for the sake of an rp happening.
Bocchiere see yourself warned twice now. Again for posting, and for the attempt to swaying the Council into your favor. Whilst it is quite clear that Warren doesn't wish to partake in this fight for the Mazo. It is also clear that he simply doesn't want to deal with you.
Your current behavior is less than posetive and i kindly ask you to refrain from further posting within the council's discussion. I also ask you stop the attempts to sway the council in your favor, whether this be openly or in PMs.
This task is yet not mentioned within the Bijuu rules, but i propose that we add a rule against this with the consequence of stripping the bijuu of the host who did try to sway the council. How about this?
This being said, due the current situation i can't decide whether stripping and thus handing the Mazo to Bocchiere is fair, due his current attempts.
Again i apologize if i did sound too harsh.
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... This task is yet not mentioned within the Bijuu rules, but i propose that we add a rule against this with the consequence of stripping the bijuu of the host who did try to sway the council. How about this?
This being said, due the current situation i can't decide whether stripping and thus handing the Mazo to Bocchiere is fair, due his current attempts.
Again i apologize if i did sound too harsh.
I am a little confused, unless you want to hold some sort of tournament for the Mazou, I 'ont see where else it could go but to Bocchiere if the biju is strippe'. If it's given to Suna it'll probably be given right back to him (or they woul' recognoze it as a "simpy never left" sort of situation).
Additionally, punishing via stripping of the beast for posting in the Council Threa' is a little on the extreme si'e. Going with Ace's suggestion from that other threa is much more reasonable.
The council members ultimately decide on bijuu stuff, but to make it where the community can't opinionate themselves on things isn't going to work. At all.
Take Bocc/Warren for instance this is about them and you're going to try to keep them from speaking? Makes no sense to me.
Opinionate' is one thing, having a back an' forth conversation with primarily each other is another, especially when not all of the Council Members have gotten a post or two in. If the two want to argue they can argue somewhere else instead. Making a case one way or another is more reasonable, but it needs to be making a case, not basically telling the Council to buzz off.
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As it has already been voted, we treat the Mazo as a beast. The challenge was made and overlooked, so we move on from there. A fight would be interesting, though I find myself indifferent as to whether it's necessary.
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I was not being facetious. If you guys want that to be a rule than make a topic and get it voted on like anyone else. Heck if you haven't by the time I get back from work than I will, since you're already operating as if it is. The idea that the body that is supposed to be enforcing the rules thinks that they can make up rules on the spot and then threaten punishment over them and use said rules to base their decisions on is incredibly troubling and should be for anyone whose taken a high school government class.
Currently this is a forum topic that I have just as much right to post in as any other. If you guys need a place to privately talk than use a dwelling or do get Ace to make you that private board. There should always be a public topic for each issue the council addresses though.
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This discussion is restricted to those of the Council. Moonfire even stated that in her first post, I will not warn non-council members again. If *you* attempt to post and you're not a part of the official council, you will get an infraction. (Three strikes and you're out)
I will be monitoring this thread and I will be going out warnings to those whom refuse to listen, make everything worse or even attempting to sway the council in your favor will result in severe consequences (The following below lists the amount of infraction(s) per non-council members.)
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I was about to write a wall of text when Camel posted ...
Thank you, very, much.
I was already frustrated and thinking i was wrong here....
Okay let's try to focus on stuff. Things we may need for the Future:
- Explicit rules for those trying to sway the council in forum and pm
- Rules for non council members writing in the forum without being asked to do so in the first place.
- Rules for people starting stuff that wasn't entirely decided on by all members of the council. ( Like a proposal to let a non council member talk in the forum and just doing so without waiting for the result. Doing a proposed thing without waiting for final result in general)
- Gedo Mazo issue
This is a bit like a to do list for later. First we need this Gedo mazo thing, but perhaos we can think together about the other things, i feel like we need to add these. Since people seem to forget to be polite. It is rude to invite yourself into a discussion. We try to find a solution, this is not possible if someone disrupts all the time.
I only say something if i get distracted to an extend that i can't think of a thing. You want us to think of a quick solution? Please keep in mind I LIVE IN GERMANY. I am awake when you are all asleep, i am out of work and at home when you go to work. So yes. Weird time zones. Please do give us time to talk and think. THank you.
Now that this is off my heavy chest to the Gedo Mazo.
I know it was voted to be a Bijuu thing, still i find this a bit Iffy since it is not a real Bijuu. Still it is powerfull.
So let's think. since this is more or less the same thing as with the reibi i would again propose with stripping it off and then, to keep the Roleplay alive, have this roleplayed by a voltuneer.
The conditions would be to seal the Gedo Mazo. The Gedo Mazo's condition to win is to well i would say flee. Why? Come on, all this time it was claimed so it wouldn't be part of rp. It feels like it was never meant to be used and thus claimed. So it would never fall into the wrong hands.
((meanwhile Silver Moonfire waits for the day he can just destroy them all at once and rid the world of this evil and thus lighten the burden of the imiginary council. A TRUE HERO! Sorry i had to jest....))
So i think , i would like it to see it in action. Make it powerful. Make it strong. Make it a fucking challenge. Why? Cause i want the Mazo to have a chance to win. Why? Cause then it could maybe flee, to an unknown place and become a plot relevant thing for once and thus give ROLEPLAYERS a chance to get something....sure one day they will run into Bocchiere. But at least we would do something. Promote the use of Bijuu in Rps. And maybe have less of those weird uncreative NAruto and Sasuke Fusion clones running around...maybe
But this is just a very distant wish of mine. So let's at least promote roleplay first.
Condition for win: Seal the gedo maz and survive.
Loss: Mazo crushes all your bones, rips you apart, etc,etc. Flees to unknown location and thus becomes an event related object which may be claimed or sealed or destroyed. location wil be chosen by GM/ Voltuneer and Council.
Sounds silly? Maybe, i must say i jsut got home from work and am in a silly mood. I apologize
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Getting a V for Vendetta vibe going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm3nQPOWycI
This is a public and open forum topic. I stopped posting cause I was asked not because I cannot. However since you've know gone and enforced a nonexistent rule I'm posting again.
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I didn't enforce anything...i just made a todo list Q_Q
I even said so....
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I didn't enforce anything...i just made a todo list Q_Q
I even said so....
Not you, @ Kamui. Sure his mindset might be in the right place, but he can't ban me and give me 2 warnings automatically that were given by people who ARE NOT mods.
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Could you still please refrain from posting, please?
I feel like we spam this place and i wish to get this all done before our 7 days run out...
and people are annoyed by reading through too many unneccesary things. And the longer this lasts, the more impatient we all get and this invites new random stuff. Which draws this out further. Which causes more toruble. Which leads to more annoying things. Which leads ot more misunderstandings, which leads to a longer waiting period and etc, etc,etc.
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Could you still please refrain from posting, please?
I feel like we spam this place and i wish to get this all done before our 7 days run out...
and people are annoyed by reading through too many unneccesary things. And the longer this lasts, the more impatient we all get and this invites new random stuff. Which draws this out further. Which causes more toruble. Which leads to more annoying things. Which leads ot more misunderstandings, which leads to a longer waiting period and etc, etc,etc.
Yes I will since you asked. I'll continue it over here.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8975.0.html
However Bocc and Warren should be permitted to speak as it involves them.
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So, just to have this linked here as well
The open for all link for the non council members:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8976.0.html
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So, where were we? :-?
Ah yes, it seemed that stripping of the Mazo was a fairly all around agreement of the Council. What happens after that was still in the works if I am re-reading and recalling correctly.
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Seeing how this is similar to the Reibi situation, yes, yes stripping it off appears to be the case.
Although i don't feel like giving it to Bocchiere, he already kinda went ahead and suggested us doing the rp thing, before any off us could really talk this out.
This whole thing here became a mess for nothing.
So will we strip of the Gedo Mazo and form this point on, handle it like a living rampaging Bijuu?
If so, shall we have it be rped once more, violently, strongly so it has a chance to win and flee? Cause yes this should be a possibility, it is not just rped to fill some threads, but to have this exact chance.
Condition to win would be to seal it?
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As I said before all of.. that, there's really no reason not to strip it.
RPing it with sealing being the win condition is agreeable.
However, whoever GMs it should be someone either neutral or anti-Bocc.
No offense, but I'd rather it not be handed out or have a GM who might throw the match for him.
If he can legitimately seal something that took nearly every able (ninja) body in the world and several Edo Tensei just to hold back, then by all means he can have it.
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...If he can legitimately seal something that took nearly every able (ninja) body in the world and several Edo Tensei just to hold back, then by all means he can have it.
The Mazo by itself was actually not that tough. Biju can't eat other biju so he can't put any biju within it, meaning that it cannot get as tough as it was in the 4th Shinobi World War.
Nevertheless, we could ask Kayenta to do it again, or maybe recruit Uetto or Kite or Raifudo. Who might be most likely to say yes?
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If you can convince Raifudo to rp seriously again, one more time, I can cross that off my bucket list. Otherwise Kayenta or Kite is a good choice as well.
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I would absolutely love to see Raifudo RP again.
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Raifudo wasn't that good. :P
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begs to differ >.>
neither were you. Oh I remember when...
you were this baby Rper, auto hitting, tephlon gary sue...
last week!
MWahahahahahahahahaha
and I just had to cause its funny.
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*waits for everyone to return from vacation*
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Raifudo wasn't that good. :P
I felt a disturbance in my skills being questioned. I'll have you know I was the best god modder out there, punk.
I honestly am not sure how I'd role play a giant Gedo Statue. It'd be kind of cool, but my limitations and stuff would need to be set in.
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Raifudo wasn't that good. :P
I felt a disturbance in my skills being questioned. I'll have you know I was the best god modder out there, punk.
I honestly am not sure how I'd role play a giant Gedo Statue. It'd be kind of cool, but my limitations and stuff would need to be set in.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Demonic_Statue_of_the_Outer_Path#Abilities (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Demonic_Statue_of_the_Outer_Path#Abilities)
There's your limitations. Me vs Mazo is already a horrible mismatch in my favor, you don't need to handicap yourself.
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A council member has not posted in this topic in 10 days. I'm going to rp that I have the mazo and whenever you guys decide which fight that I cannot lose that you want me to do I'll win that and we can update the lists and such at that time.
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It appears everyne went on the ' let's ignore bocchiere thing'
Perhaps? Jeez where is everyone. Sorry on my part work is hell..or was...or still is? WHICH YEaR DO WE haVE!
..No joke...i had little under 15 hours of sleep....the last week....not per day.
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Hey. I put in my 2 cents. We can't really do anything until the other 2 vote, so why continue to beat a dead horse? My stick is on it's shelf for now.
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Hey. I put in my 2 cents. We can't really do anything until the other 2 vote, so why continue to beat a dead horse? My stick is on it's shelf for now.
Hm, waiting is not really tenable anymore. Either we need an absentee vote or a new Council member to fill the spot or something. I had been busy with a research project so I wasn't keeping track of just how long we were waiting, but this has indeed gone on long enough.
Hades: Indifferent to the necessity of a fight, but is not opposed.
Silver: A fight be necessary.
Myself: A fight be preferred, but further discussion/decisioning regarding who to GM the fight might take longer than it's really worth at this point, so I'm not as hot on a fight at this point. I definitely am all for Raifudo GMing it though if he is indeed willing.
Chinote: Strip, no mention of a fight so probably just wants just a strip to happen.
Genesis: ?
Out of the 4 Council Members who have voted, to my understanding, only one at this point feels that a fight is very much required. Regardless of whether Genesis votes or not, as long as there is no tie among the remaining 4, there is no need to wait for his input here in this thread before banging the imaginary gavel.
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So are we forgoing the fight this time?
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I would say let's have another GM fight.
Genesis is now absent for SL indefinitely, I believe, so we may have a new council seat to fill soon.
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Ignoring that I could have started and finished the fight in the time I've been waiting for a decision... sure, let's do that.
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Genesis is now absent for SL indefinitely, I believe, so we may have a new council seat to fill soon.
Well...
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it was my understanding that the council would just act even if a member was inactive and make a ruling...rather than hold up an RP issue...
is that wrong?
gah....
i will volunteer to GM...again...
or not.
w/e you guys decide.
but do something already.
Was Johnny interested in GMing or was that just hype?
I seriously thought this was going to be a done deal after i read his replies...
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It was more hype that it was me deciding to do it. I like the concept of being the Mazo, but I just can't seem to bring myself to enjoy the thought of me RP'ing as something I didn't create myself.
Gonna need to pass.
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It was more hype that it was me deciding to do it. I like the concept of being the Mazo, but I just can't seem to bring myself to enjoy the thought of me RP'ing as something I didn't create myself.
Gonna need to pass.
:smt089
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Tease
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Eh...i thought it was quite obvious. GO find a gm, get this done?
Maybe there was a misunderstanding...sorry for typos and harsh words, alcohol speakingss
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Ok... [This is the culmination of Silver's post in another thread an the current progress on this one]
Kayenta, you up for GMing? If you want to, go ahead an go for it at this point. I do not forsee any objections regarding that.
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Genesis is now absent for SL indefinitely, I believe, so we may have a new council seat to fill soon.
Well...
Hey Ace, how you doin? ;)
And hades, I just stepped down from being Uzumaki leader, but I'm still sorta active. Just more low key.
And yeah, do another GM match.
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On it.
lock thread?
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Go ahead, I think we reached consensus.