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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Rules/Foundation => Topic started by: Hazama on January 16, 2017, 03:29:19 PM
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This one keeps coming up. Can you combine the bijuu chakra you have access to with Sage Mode before completely mastering the beast? I'm saying yes because, according to the rules, I have access to a certain tier of bijuu power and no rule currently limits me from using it. So I think saying I cannot use the bijuu chakra I've earned goes against the rules.
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No SL rule against it, but the canon disagrees. Naruto couldn't.
One could debate according to the canon that you can't do biju mode + sage mode
Or one can interpret it as you can't do Amphibian technique + biju mode.
Biju has to like you to allow one of the following above. At least in the case of Kurama and Naruto.
Edit: Or pre mastery, your biju also has to be pissed off at the opponent
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What kind of mixture of biju chakra and sage chakra? Or do you mean being in sage mode at the same time as being in tailed beast mode? Enhancing sage attacks with biju chakra? I'm not really sure what kind of mixing you mean.
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It's not that there isn't a rule for it that is an issue to me but that the idea contradicts a current rule, namely that I can use X bijuu chakra at a certain point of time.
I could argue that my bijuu "likes" me enough to use whatever stage of transformation I have access to and so I should be able to use sage mode with it.
It's not that it's impossible but the bijuu can choose to interfere with the combination or the amphibian technique. So currently it's just character control to tell me what my bijuu can or can't feel like letting me do. There should be a rule made on it.
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It's not that there isn't a rule for it that is an issue to me but that the idea contradicts a current rule, namely that I can use X bijuu chakra at a certain point of time.
I could argue that my bijuu "likes" me enough to use whatever stage of transformation I have access to and so I should be able to use sage mode with it.
It's not that it's impossible but the bijuu can choose to interfere with the combination or the amphibian technique. So currently it's just character control to tell me what my bijuu can or can't feel like letting me do. There should be a rule made on it.
You could argue that, could even argue Chomei is different than Kurama. Could also be interpreted as you attempting to gain a boon before you should be able to.
It's from my viewpoint that you shouldn't be able to based off the few instances we've seen in the manga. But you could argue it from a biju personality standpoint. See what everyone else says I suppose?
Context for everyone
http://www3.mangafreak.net/Read1_Naruto_425_5#gohere
http://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/36772/what-episode-did-naruto-combine-nine-tails-chakra-mode-and-sage-mode
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Right now its basically just whatever your opinion is. We should make a rule on this.
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I think that the player has to choose to use either Sage Mode with stacks or Bijū Mode with stacks, not both at the same time.
As depicted in the Manga, Naruto had to cancel out his Kurama Mode in order to fight the Third Raikage in Sage Mode. And in the manga, he was in Sage Mode initially then used some of Kurama's chakra but he never enter Kurama Mode itself.
In fact, if memory serves correctly, the only time he was ever able to meld Kurama Mode and Sage Mode is when he had access to Six Paths Chakra, which doesn't exist in SL.
So, I say that it should be one or the other. Not both at the same time.
That way we keep the scales balanced out and don't have OP bs attacks.
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No that's not true. He entered kyuubi sage mode the first time in chapter 645.
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/645/8
And he doesn't gain the six paths chakra till chapter 670
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/670/3
Kyuubi sage mode and six paths sage mode are two different things.
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No that's not true. He entered kyuubi sage mode the first time in chapter 645.
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/645/8
And he doesn't gain the six paths chakra till chapter 670
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/670/3
Kyuubi sage mode and six paths sage mode are two different things.
Requiring full mastery of both sage mode and the biju chakras in order to perfectly balance biju and sage chakras seems reasonable to me. I'm with Trev on the idea, but as far as a formal biju fight may go, it's up to the judge. Any other RP would be judged by whoever has the most support on the idea, so whatever applies to your situation I guess.
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Isn't it suggested in the rules that beasts are largely antagonistic towards their hosts; more specifically when it comes to summons, but still.
Kurama rejected the toads, because he was "evil" at the time of the attempted fusion. So...I would assume that means all beasts would do the same when it comes to SL, unless they have the beast fully mastered and achieved "friendship" with it, in order for it to be OK with the fusion.
Though I agree with Dart that those two stacks should remain independant for the time being. Consider this: Kurama mode was set at a 6(?)X multiplier when Bocc was using it. So if you mix Sage mode in that, which has been set as a 3X multiplier, then that would result in a whopping 18X multiplier that basically says "Nope, you're not fast enough to react to anything, so I'm just gonna go ahead and auto hit."
I mean, look at the Kaze fight for the nine tails where he just plagiarized Bocc's post from his fight with Yujo. I say plagiarize because it's totally not Bocc behind these Kaze fights, amIright? Literally round one he used Sage/Biju enhanced lightning chakra mode to just bypass any possible way to avoid dying without a retro post or meta gaming or something equally as scummy that can be set up in the fraction of a millisecond it takes him to reach you.
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No that's not true. He entered kyuubi sage mode the first time in chapter 645.
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/645/8
And he doesn't gain the six paths chakra till chapter 670
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/670/3
Kyuubi sage mode and six paths sage mode are two different things.
Requiring full mastery of both sage mode and the biju chakras in order to perfectly balance biju and sage chakras seems reasonable to me. I'm with Trev on the idea, but as far as a formal biju fight may go, it's up to the judge. Any other RP would be judged by whoever has the most support on the idea, so whatever applies to your situation I guess.
I understand but that fact that it has come up in two fights in a row now makes me think there should be a rule addressing it.
If we do want to limit it I think it should apply to Rinnegan users too though, just something like, "Until you master your bijuu you cannot use Sage Mode/Rinnegan at the same time as bijuu modes." Otherwise it would just be an unfair handicap to Sage Mode users.
Personally I don't think we should limit it since Sage Mode is a better multiplier than the bijuu modes so if you have Sage Mode and become a Jinchuriki then there's basically no reason to use your bijuu powers, other than the passive elemental KG, until you master it.
Also I've always considered the multipliers additive not multiplicative, it would be x9 not times x18. That's what I was told and I know even Bocch claimed that so no I don't think anyone could get away with that.
And yeah since you're going to whine about me using Bocch regardless of what actually happens I figure'd I'd just do that to screw with you considering how perfectly Genesis set it up for me.
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How do you guys even multiply abstract concepts? >_> Like, if I move 'fast' and I multiply 'fast' by two or three, how fast does that make me on a scale from Sea Sponge to Sanic?
But I don't see how you could use something like that without first mastering your beast anyway.
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How do you guys even multiply abstract concepts? >_> Like, if I move 'fast' and I multiply 'fast' by two or three, how fast does that make me on a scale from Sea Sponge to Sanic?
But I don't see how you could use something like that without first mastering your beast anyway.
There's just couple things that have an agreed upon value. Sage mode being x3 and such.
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And yeah since you're going to whine about me using Bocch regardless of what actually happens I figure'd I'd just do that to screw with you considering how perfectly Genesis set it up for me.
Lol like me personally? Yeah, because I've totally complained about you letting someone else use your account to stay on a game their banned from.
Shoot, sorry.
Yeah, because I've complained about you using someones retired character to switch things up in an otherwise stale game. Damn Autocorrect.
No that's not true. He entered kyuubi sage mode the first time in chapter 645.
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/645/8
And he doesn't gain the six paths chakra till chapter 670
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/670/3
Kyuubi sage mode and six paths sage mode are two different things.
Requiring full mastery of both sage mode and the biju chakras in order to perfectly balance biju and sage chakras seems reasonable to me. I'm with Trev on the idea, but as far as a formal biju fight may go, it's up to the judge. Any other RP would be judged by whoever has the most support on the idea, so whatever applies to your situation I guess.
I understand but that fact that it has come up in two fights in a row now makes me think there should be a rule addressing it.
If we do want to limit it I think it should apply to Rinnegan users too though, just something like, "Until you master your bijuu you cannot use Sage Mode/Rinnegan at the same time as bijuu modes." Otherwise it would just be an unfair handicap to Sage Mode users.
Personally I don't think we should limit it since Sage Mode is a better multiplier than the bijuu modes so if you have Sage Mode and become a Jinchuriki then there's basically no reason to use your bijuu powers, other than the passive elemental KG, until you master it.
Also I've always considered the multipliers additive not multiplicative, it would be x9 not times x18. That's what I was told and I know even Bocch claimed that so no I don't think anyone could get away with that.
What you "consider" means little to nothing if that point is not made public before a serious issue arises. You could easily change your opinions based on the situation at hand. "Oh, this fight will mean me winning a beast? Multiplicative." Or, "Oh this situation looks bad for me, so I need to act like I understand the concept of nerfing myself. Additive"
It's all situational unless that point is known on an individual basis, or its agreed upon on by larger group.
Me personally, I wouldn't add the nerf to rinnegan. It makes little sense to do so outside of what's "fair" for Sage users. It would have to be a SL exception for it to make sense. Though this could always just be another deterrent to getting a biju. We need more of those.
Honestly Teostra brings up a good point, one that has been mentioned numerous times before but never got decent attention. How do you honestly apply numbers to a conceptual game? Ok so you're good at something right? Well if you times good by 3 it makes amazing! Logic! I mean there is some logic behind that sentiment, flawed as it is.
If there is a multiplier for Sage mode, why not gates? I mean hell the first gate says it enhances your reflexes by 5 or something, but never references anything like that again in later stages. It's half assed details like this that creates loop holes for people to exploit.
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I personally don't really believe in the multipliers, as it just makes things messy. I just generally go with a pecking order of what things are better than what. Easier than quantifying it. But other people like to use it and sage mode being x 3 is a common thing players like to say.
As for my vote on the current matter. I would say add it to the rules. It's shown you can't do both in the manga, and a rule needs to be added as it is not common knowledge. I wouldn't even know if Bocc didn't tell me about it a few years ago. You need mastery, or your biju has to be pretty pissed off at your opponent.
I don't agree that the rule should be applied to Rinnegan users, as they don't have evidence to support such a claim. But I'm also all for nerfing, so I won't exactly fight such a decision particularly hard >>
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That is true people can just flip-flop their opinions for whatever suits them. For instance if I had the Nine Tails and was a Sage Mode user, but then got stripped because I couldn't follow simple rules, I'd have no reason not to say you shouldn't be able to combine them at all, since getting that banned would only help me. Even if I had planned to do the same thing when I had the bijuu. Of course I would never personally do that since I'm actually good at zone fighting and don't need to resort to that sort of thing. I could see how someone less confident in their skills might though, in this hypothetical scenario we are detailing.
Nerfing Rinnegan similarly would simply be a fairness thing since if we think stacking Sage Mode and Bijuu Mode is too much well once you master the bijuu you get to claim a chakra mode now apparently and most people say they are as strong as Sage Mode. So it would just let you have Rinnegan and Sage Mode effectively which sounds just as OP to me.
If you want to discuss setting out multipliers for other things you should make a topic and discuss it.
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I personally don't really believe in the multipliers, as it just makes things messy. I just generally go with a pecking order of what things are better than what. Easier than quantifying it. But other people like to use it and sage mode being x 3 is a common thing players like to say.
As for my vote on the current matter. I would say add it to the rules. It's shown you can't do both in the manga, and a rule needs to be added as it is not common knowledge. I wouldn't even know if Bocc didn't tell me about it a few years ago. You need mastery, or your biju has to be pretty pissed off at your opponent.
I don't agree that the rule should be applied to Rinnegan users, as they don't have evidence to support such a claim. But I'm also all for nerfing, so I won't exactly fight such a decision particularly hard >>
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That is true people can just flip-flop their opinions for whatever suits them. For instance if I had the Nine Tails and was a Sage Mode user, but then got stripped because I couldn't follow simple rules, I'd have no reason not to say you shouldn't be able to combine them at all, since getting that banned would only help me. Even if I had planned to do the same thing when I had the bijuu. Of course I would never personally do that since I'm actually good at zone fighting and don't need to resort to that sort of thing. I could see how someone less confident in their skills might though, in this hypothetical scenario we are detailing.
Nerfing Rinnegan similarly would simply be a fairness thing since if we think stacking Sage Mode and Bijuu Mode is too much well once you master the bijuu you get to claim a chakra mode now apparently and most people say they are as strong as Sage Mode. So it would just let you have Rinnegan and Sage Mode effectively which sounds just as OP to me.
If you want to discuss setting out multipliers for other things you should make a topic and discuss it.
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That is true people can just flip-flop their opinions for whatever suits them. For instance if I had the Nine Tails and was a Sage Mode user, but then got stripped because I couldn't follow simple rules, I'd have no reason not to say you shouldn't be able to combine them at all, since getting that banned would only help me. Even if I had planned to do the same thing when I had the bijuu. Of course I would never personally do that since I'm actually good at zone fighting and don't need to resort to that sort of thing. I could see how someone less confident in their skills might though, in this hypothetical scenario we are detailing.
Nerfing Rinnegan similarly would simply be a fairness thing since if we think stacking Sage Mode and Bijuu Mode is too much well once you master the bijuu you get to claim a chakra mode now apparently and most people say they are as strong as Sage Mode. So it would just let you have Rinnegan and Sage Mode effectively which sounds just as OP to me.
If you want to discuss setting out multipliers for other things you should make a topic and discuss it.
We could just get rid of biju chakra modes in general and leave it to the standard red biju cloaks >> But that is perhaps another topic.
But yeah, I'll shush up and let others file in. My final opinion is that there needs to be a rule stated to match the manga so it is clear for everyone, and I'm neutral about whether rinnegan users can or cannot. I'll let everyone else decide that.
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Might as well add that you can't mix biju chakra with any other special chakra until mastery. Because senjutsu is not the only special chakra type out there.
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Might as well add that you can't mix biju chakra with any other special chakra until mastery. Because senjutsu is not the only special chakra type out there.
Yeah might as well.
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I wrote a good chunk of this to my Judge already, but I'll throw in here too:
In the canon, Kurama rejected them. Plain and simple. Sure the other bijuus have different personalities, but we only saw their personalities when they were mastered (and dead). So yeah, something tells me the other wild bijuu aren't going to let the toads share the same space.
So yeah, whatever the verdict here is.
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I think it's worth noting that at the point Naruto learned Sage jutsu, he was still actively trying not to just resort to using Kurama as an auto-win. So you have a combination of Kurama and the frogs hating each other and Naruto not actually trying to mix the two.
I'm not really advocating either side, but it's pretty gray, so it'd really be up to you guys how you'd want to implement or bar it outside of perfect mastery for both.
Just my worthless haypennies.
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I personally don't really believe in the multipliers, as it just makes things messy. I just generally go with a pecking order of what things are better than what. Easier than quantifying it. But other people like to use it and sage mode being x 3 is a common thing players like to say.
As for my vote on the current matter. I would say add it to the rules. It's shown you can't do both in the manga, and a rule needs to be added as it is not common knowledge. I wouldn't even know if Bocc didn't tell me about it a few years ago. You need mastery, or your biju has to be pretty pissed off at your opponent.
I don't agree that the rule should be applied to Rinnegan users, as they don't have evidence to support such a claim. But I'm also all for nerfing, so I won't exactly fight such a decision particularly hard >>
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That is true people can just flip-flop their opinions for whatever suits them. For instance if I had the Nine Tails and was a Sage Mode user, but then got stripped because I couldn't follow simple rules, I'd have no reason not to say you shouldn't be able to combine them at all, since getting that banned would only help me. Even if I had planned to do the same thing when I had the bijuu. Of course I would never personally do that since I'm actually good at zone fighting and don't need to resort to that sort of thing. I could see how someone less confident in their skills might though, in this hypothetical scenario we are detailing.
Nerfing Rinnegan similarly would simply be a fairness thing since if we think stacking Sage Mode and Bijuu Mode is too much well once you master the bijuu you get to claim a chakra mode now apparently and most people say they are as strong as Sage Mode. So it would just let you have Rinnegan and Sage Mode effectively which sounds just as OP to me.
If you want to discuss setting out multipliers for other things you should make a topic and discuss it.
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I just... really like this gif... :oops: Like geez!! Ignore me!!! Nothing to see here, just keep on scrolling.
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I personally don't really believe in the multipliers, as it just makes things messy. I just generally go with a pecking order of what things are better than what. Easier than quantifying it. But other people like to use it and sage mode being x 3 is a common thing players like to say.
As for my vote on the current matter. I would say add it to the rules. It's shown you can't do both in the manga, and a rule needs to be added as it is not common knowledge. I wouldn't even know if Bocc didn't tell me about it a few years ago. You need mastery, or your biju has to be pretty pissed off at your opponent.
I don't agree that the rule should be applied to Rinnegan users, as they don't have evidence to support such a claim. But I'm also all for nerfing, so I won't exactly fight such a decision particularly hard >>
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That is true people can just flip-flop their opinions for whatever suits them. For instance if I had the Nine Tails and was a Sage Mode user, but then got stripped because I couldn't follow simple rules, I'd have no reason not to say you shouldn't be able to combine them at all, since getting that banned would only help me. Even if I had planned to do the same thing when I had the bijuu. Of course I would never personally do that since I'm actually good at zone fighting and don't need to resort to that sort of thing. I could see how someone less confident in their skills might though, in this hypothetical scenario we are detailing.
Nerfing Rinnegan similarly would simply be a fairness thing since if we think stacking Sage Mode and Bijuu Mode is too much well once you master the bijuu you get to claim a chakra mode now apparently and most people say they are as strong as Sage Mode. So it would just let you have Rinnegan and Sage Mode effectively which sounds just as OP to me.
If you want to discuss setting out multipliers for other things you should make a topic and discuss it.
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I just... really like this gif... :oops: Like geez!! Ignore me!!! Nothing to see here, just keep on scrolling.
Yeah I wonder what it said before if it was edited to a gif of someone giving me the finger. Maybe more homophobic slurs, like when he got stripped.
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As for my vote on the current matter. I would say add it to the rules. It's shown you can't do both in the manga, and a rule needs to be added as it is not common knowledge. You need mastery, or your biju has to be pretty pissed off at your opponent.
I don't agree that the rule should be applied to Rinnegan users, as they don't have evidence to support such a claim.
Edited some parts of Trev's post. The rest reflects my opinion on the matter.
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As for my vote on the current matter. I would say add it to the rules. It's shown you can't do both in the manga, and a rule needs to be added as it is not common knowledge. You need mastery, or your biju has to be pretty pissed off at your opponent.
I don't agree that the rule should be applied to Rinnegan users, as they don't have evidence to support such a claim.
Edited some parts of Trev's post. The rest reflects my opinion on the matter.
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As for my vote on the current matter. I would say add it to the rules. It's shown you can't do both in the manga, and a rule needs to be added as it is not common knowledge. You need mastery, or your biju has to be pretty pissed off at your opponent.
I don't agree that the rule should be applied to Rinnegan users, as they don't have evidence to support such a claim.
Edited some parts of Trev's post. The rest reflects my opinion on the matter.
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As for my vote on the current matter. I would say add it to the rules. It's shown you can't do both in the manga, and a rule needs to be added as it is not common knowledge. You need mastery, or your biju has to be pretty pissed off at your opponent.
I don't agree that the rule should be applied to Rinnegan users, as they don't have evidence to support such a claim.
Edited some parts of Trev's post. The rest reflects my opinion on the matter.
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Added a poll to help keep track.
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Canon wise it looks like.
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Canon wise it looks like.
Oh yeah, Naruto hadn't mastered Kurama at this point, yet he still managed to do it. I say, if pre-mastery, you get one turn. With it, the combination could last much longer.
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The vote tally still stands. Unless one of you guys want to bring this up on the rules/foundation thread and have the community make an unanimous decision on this. From there the rule will be set in stone, after the votes are tallied in that thread.
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Oh, one more thing of note... what if someone has Senninka and a Biju? Considering it's not through an Amphibian Technique style of combination, would it not still be possible. Hell, what if the Jinc simply went the Shadow Clone route to gather Natural Energy. This rule or vote that's going on, should be more specific in the route of combining that's going down. Through the Amphibian Technique, there's the third party influence, but that's the only time that's happening.
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Oh, one more thing of note... what if someone has Senninka and a Biju? Considering it's not through an Amphibian Technique style of combination, would it not still be possible. Hell, what if the Jinc simply went the Shadow Clone route to gather Natural Energy. This rule or vote that's going on, should be more specific in the route of combining that's going down. Through the Amphibian Technique, there's the third party influence, but that's the only time that's happening.
Well you wouldn't need the bijuu to gather natural energy for you, when you have a passive ability that does it for you. If you tried to have the bijuu gather natural energy for you, while you have that ability active; both simultaneous actions will negatively effect you in the long run. In retrospect, you would have too much natural energy to balance and that would mean that you're well on your way to becoming a stone statue.
The method of using Shadow Clones is acceptable, but in a bijuu battle it would be tricky. You would have to perform the technique after the entrance post that you made, since doing so in your entrance post would be considered metagaming.
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Well, I didn't mean, trying them together. I meant, if you had one or the other. But, you answered those questions. While I don't see the Shadow Clones being used in the entrance post as metagaming, since it's merely preparation and planning. I'd allow it, but that's just me and not everybody shares my mindset... this site would be a lot different if that was the case... but thems the rules.
The Biju gathering Natural Energy? That should only be possible through mastery, since a friendship would be needed beforehand... Biju might gather more than you can handle and turn you into a statue.. and just wait for itself to respawn.
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My personal opinion for SL isn't to mix them because I don't like the stacking multiplier stuff. This is unrelated to if it's actually possible or not.
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Rinnegan isn't attained by mixing Senju and Uchiha. Summoning a Biju does not actually limit a character to defensive actions. Edo Tensei can create clones. Tenseigan chakra mode is on par with Senjutsu Kurama mode. SL is about understanding that the canon is sometimes overpowered when trying to translate it into a fair game format, so rules must be applied that can make those things fair. Sure, Naruto got pissed and accessed Kurama chakra while in sage mode, but at the same time it's not allowed to have a Biju take control during a fight even when an extreme emotional response is provoked. There was a vote, and it spoke for itself.
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I'm aware that those manga scan exist. But two things.
1. Kurama was also pretty pissed, hence he had no reason to not allow Naruto in Sage Mode. Hence why in my prior statement, I said one needed mastery, or the biju had to be pissed at an opponent. Since you can't rp control over your biju until you have mastery, rping it as pissed is useless. Only in two scenarios it could happen.
A. The host just let the biju take control, and unless you pull a Naruto hack and have Minato seal it back up, you pretty much have lost.
B. In a really specific scenario it could work. Like the Hachibi hates Trev, so the host of the Hachibi without mastery could potentially do it in a fight against me if Trev were still kicking.
2. Or you could interpret it that biju chakra and sage mode is allowed. Certainly possible since the anger thing is just my logical assumption, and not fact. What is certain though if that you can't use the amphibian tech without mastery. Biju won't allow it.
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Okay so when I went through this topic for post votes, I got:
Yes: 3
No: 7
Cannot Combine: 1`
While the "no's" would still have it, I want to clear it with folks before adding it, because I know Kamui mentioned making a formal vote topic for it. Not sure if that would be better or just going ahead and having this thread be a messy vote thread.
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Okay so when I went through this topic for post votes, I got:
Yes: 3
No: 7
Cannot Combine: 1`
While the "no's" would still have it, I want to clear it with folks before adding it, because I know Kamui mentioned making a formal vote topic for it. Not sure if that would be better or just going ahead and having this thread be a messy vote thread.
I wasn't sure if Jay or Athos would bring it up for a vote, since I was the one that suggested that a vote thread be made. But for now, Eric I consider everything here to be a discussion topic. I rather not go the unorthodox route of making this both a discussion and a vote thread all in one go, since it isn't formal to do so.
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I've just gone ahead and started operating that I cannot mix them/use Amphibian Technique till I master the 9 tails. If someone wants to make a vote topic so it can be officially made a rule that's fine. As far as I'm concerned a decision has been made though.
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This, doesn't really affect me with either way it goes, so...
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