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Title: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on July 30, 2009, 10:03:03 PM
Since that bio eyecolor/haircolor "bug" (I'm not sure if we can call it a bug, more like a small easteregg) was fixed up, a lot of people lost their RP-ish bios. These bios looked like the normal bios, but with the use of the `n code, people were able to add a lot more roleplaying parts to their bios. This made their characters more unique and, in my opinion, encouraged RP. I noticed a lot of people were upset with this "fix."

I'm requesting a new section of the additional biofos tab (within the preferences). Below the haircolor and eye color would be a max of 10 extra boxes (so, 10 lines). These would format just as the haircolor and eyecolor, but you could choose whatever you want (chakra affinity, home village, etc, etc). It's somewhat hard to explain how exactly these would look besides saying they'd format exactly like the eyecolor and hair color.

Here's an example (including the color codes to better understand how they'd look):
`^Home Village: `~K`Yum`yo`tg`yaku`Yr`~e
`^Chakra Affinity: `YR`yaito`Yn
`^Bijuu: `4K`$yuub`4i
..and so on.

You'd have 10 of these "boxes" to fill. Maybe put a 50-ish char limit on each box? Ideas, improvements, and comments are welcome.



Edit: I'm also making a small edit requesting the haircolor and eyecolor char limits be increased. Unless you want a simple  "Red" put in the box, not much can fit. I had "Sangria Red" with a bunch of color codes and all that fit was "Sang" while colored.

A second edit: If we're scared people may use the `n function, why not just block it from being used in bios? (like the bold and italic functions).
Title: Re: Bios
Post by: Ryukage Darkrasengan on July 30, 2009, 10:11:37 PM
Within each box, I am sure someone would put the " 'n " code once more. Maybe Neji does not want this to happen.

However, I agree 100%, and hope he'll allow this.  :cry:
Title: Re: Bios
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on July 30, 2009, 10:12:43 PM
That's why there'd by a 50 char limit.  ;) 
You can still put `n in eyecolor and haircolor..you just don't have any room.
In my example, `^Home Village: `~K`Yum`yo`tg`yaku`Yr`~e takes up 38 chars (if I counted right). That leaves only a few to possibly add in another color or such.


Also, I made a small edit to my request.
Title: Re: Bios
Post by: Ryukage Darkrasengan on July 30, 2009, 10:18:26 PM
I see what you mean now. It's reasonable enough, hope Neji thinks so.  :roll:

I hope you saved your history Tau. :P
It looked like you did a lot of work. >.>
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on July 30, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
 I did so just now. This seems reasonable and I think many would enjoy this.

 For anyone who thinks they lost their work: The extended bios are still there, but only the first chars appeared.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Ryukage Darkrasengan on July 30, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
I saved, literally everything.

What do you mean by, "but only the first chars appeared." ? >.>
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on July 30, 2009, 10:23:32 PM
If you go check your preferences now, your entire bio in the eyecolor/haircolor sections are still there, but only the first few chars appear if you click on your name in the list warriors.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Ryukage Darkrasengan on July 30, 2009, 10:28:51 PM
Oh yeah, I've noticed that already. However there's no point in really keeping them there. Unless you cannot save them elsewhere.

However, if I'm correct, they will be deleted if not corrected.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Ryo on July 30, 2009, 11:39:57 PM
This actually sounds like a very good idea. I tag it "Ryo Approved!"
xD
It does add individuality to the character, though so does an extended biography from freewebs.com or another site of similar context.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on July 30, 2009, 11:44:36 PM
The problem with that (using webs.com) is: it's an entirely separate site and takes a lot of time to setup if you want to include simple things like home village, special traits, clan, etc. It's nice to just have those in your bio.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Jin on July 30, 2009, 11:48:08 PM
The problem with that (using webs.com) is: it's an entirely separate site and takes a lot of time to setup if you want to include simple things like home village, special traits, clan, etc. It's nice to just have those in your bio.

Besides not everybody visits the webs.com "bio" it would be better if we could use this idea, it sounds great, 10 boxes where you can put some basic RP info.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: IceSlayer on July 30, 2009, 11:48:46 PM
I like it, it wouldn't take much to do really, and it's a great idea to get people into RP
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on July 30, 2009, 11:54:06 PM
I like it, it would take much to do really, and it's a great idea to get people into RP
You mean wouldn't take much to do, right?
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: IceSlayer on July 31, 2009, 12:04:18 AM
That's what I said >.>

But again I like it, though made just have a few set boxes you could fill in, that would be much easier.
However this would take a lot of space in the Database, think you'd have to save 10 items for each player, 10 times the number of player = every large amount of Data.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on July 31, 2009, 12:05:36 AM
That's the same thing I was thinking. Would 10 boxes of 50 chars max in a bio take up a lot of space?
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Ryukage Darkrasengan on July 31, 2009, 12:51:37 AM
No they would not. It would be like most of SL just had it. As long as they are placed directly under each other, and there are only 50 chars; then it should not be a problem. What we need to wonder about, is if this would cause bugs in the server.   
 
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: atomkai on July 31, 2009, 01:35:04 AM
I have wanted to change the bio page for years - but I cannot exactly identify how.

I think this is a good idea, but instead of only 50, I would say 100 chars - to account for all of the colors, etc.  Sure, people could make 50 work, but since if anything is added, why not go a little extra?

ETA:  I also think that the two bio areas should be combined into one, and extend the amount of characters allowed there (say 1,500 total).

There is one bio area, that appears above the eyecolor/haircolor/age section, and it has something like a 200 character limit.  Then below the E/H/A section, there is the 'extended bio' with 800 characters allowed.

Are they split for a reason?
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on July 31, 2009, 02:34:31 AM

ETA:  I also think that the two bio areas should be combined into one, and extend the amount of characters allowed there (say 1,500 total).

There is one bio area, that appears above the eyecolor/haircolor/age section, and it has something like a 200 character limit.  Then below the E/H/A section, there is the 'extended bio' with 800 characters allowed.

Are they split for a reason?

Agreed.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Ryukage Darkrasengan on July 31, 2009, 06:52:20 AM
I have wanted to change the bio page for years - but I cannot exactly identify how.

I think this is a good idea, but instead of only 50, I would say 100 chars - to account for all of the colors, etc.  Sure, people could make 50 work, but since if anything is added, why not go a little extra?

ETA:  I also think that the two bio areas should be combined into one, and extend the amount of characters allowed there (say 1,500 total).

There is one bio area, that appears above the eyecolor/haircolor/age section, and it has something like a 200 character limit.  Then below the E/H/A section, there is the 'extended bio' with 800 characters allowed.

Are they split for a reason?

Makes a lot of sense. Agreed.

However it seems like we may be asking for too much, no?
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: IceSlayer on July 31, 2009, 09:44:04 AM
I say, move the top smaller bio to be just under where the eye colour etc is, and increase the char limit, and you can use that area as you please.

Then maybe increase the other bio area to 1000 chars?

That's the same thing I was thinking. Would 10 boxes of 50 chars max in a bio take up a lot of space?
Data, not space. 10 multiplied by X000 players takes up a lot
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Neji on July 31, 2009, 02:15:03 PM
Note: Charlimit for additional bioinfos is 800 chars. T This additional text is turned on by your admin. T This additional physical informations are turned on by your admin.

Question: are 800 chars not enough?

I mean, alright, why not 10,000 chars, the one who triggered the bugfix used ~5k chars... so... do you want a full-page-article about that player?

I cannot (!!) make "x lines of text" happening. If you use 800x600 resolution, a line is short. 1600x1200, a line is long. Which should I use for reference? Else you have breaks all the time in between lines.

Thanks, by the way, to all for just using the bug instead of reporting it. As anybody could see, it was NOT meant to be like this - haircolor is haircolor, not "type in all you want about your char".

You have 25 letters (incl. colors) for your hair/eye color. 800 chars for your bio.

Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on July 31, 2009, 02:42:18 PM
I, like others, didn't see it as abuse. When I think of abuse, I think of harm being done. It didn't seem to harm anything (I can't say that it didn't slow the game down or anything, I wouldn't know for certain).  I saw it as just a way to have a formatted bio (like the way eye color and hair color are) to explain my char. Everyone else and I, myself, are sorry. I'm curious, though, what effect did it have? Did it slow the server down?

I cannot (!!) make "x lines of text" happening. If you use 800x600 resolution, a line is short. 1600x1200, a line is long. Which should I use for reference? Else you have breaks all the time in between lines.

Alright, so that won't work out. Would it be possible to increase the char limit on bio section without having the same effect as this bug did?
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Gyu~ru~ru on July 31, 2009, 03:26:55 PM
Alright, so that won't work out. Would it be possible to increase the char limit on bio section without having the same effect as this bug did?

I think you should answer the question below before you ask that question...

Question: are 800 chars not enough?

I mean, alright, why not 10,000 chars, the one who triggered the bugfix used ~5k chars... so... do you want a full-page-article about that player?

As for me, my answer would be, 800 chars feels a bit short. For people who can really write (not in terms of grammer, but story-telling), their bio could easily reach 1,000 chars without colour codes. So in order to fit the 800 chars limit, they would have to remove a lot of details and sometimes even shorten certain sentenses to the point where they sound like they have really bad English.

However, the bug made me realize something...I didn't really want to read a bio that's like 3~5k long. I wrote a lot of character bios, both for myself (& my alt characters) and a few other players, but I am unable to place my finger on a number that neither feels too short nor too long.

Regardless of what number I put my finger on, someone is sure to complain that it's too short. That is why the character limit is kept at 800 chars. Players will just have to use their smarts to summarize their bio to make it fit. Although that might mean using just 1 or no colour codes at all, and removing that long list of friends, family, equipments, techniques etc.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on July 31, 2009, 09:29:24 PM
No, I wouldn't want to read a 5k long bio.

I'd think 1,200-1,500 chars would suffice..max. The thing is, many people like using color codes (myself being one of them). I don't just randomly stick in color codes and make it look like a giant bowl of fruitloops, but I use a good amount. Using more than a few forces your bio to become smaller and smaller.

A lot of people who used this bug used a layout like this (an example) because it looks nice, organized, and resembles the rest of the bio:
`n `^Home Village: `lK`Lirigakure
`n `^Chakra Affinity: `2F`@uuto`2n

..and so on. With this layout, you aren't really making a long list or even using that many colors, but it still literally takes up dozens of chars for so little. I think in the small 2 lines I provided above, I have 50+ chars. Increasing the chars to 1,200-1,500 would make it so you are using 800-1,000 chars (letters) plus all the codes involved.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Mei on August 01, 2009, 06:23:44 AM
After checking how many characters my bio had, I think we are going to need a 2k character limit. >.>
I also dont like the thought of wasting a day or 2 setting up my bio in webs.com T.T
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: IceSlayer on August 01, 2009, 08:26:23 AM
After checking how many characters my bio had, I think we are going to need a 2k character limit. >.>
I also dont like the thought of wasting a day or 2 setting up my bio in webs.com T.T
Shorten it, and it would hardly take more than a few minutes to set up a bio on a site like that...
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Gyu~ru~ru on August 01, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
Just happen to see this while checking the commentary.

[  ] (motd) (18h47m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur notes,"This is an rp game guys..They HAVE to take away any form of ability to give chars. personalities..After all, rp games DO NOT want you to have a fully functional rp char with a background. It just can't happen because rping doesn't-
[  ] (motd) (18h45m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur - involve creating a character, their personality, and abilities..or the way they fight, etc. Remember, the basis of rp, is to sit there, do nothing, and be bland, and the exact same as everyone else. That is why the hair+eye color is limited. So-
[  ] (motd) (18h43m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur remember guys, that the color is limited, so that people don't stray from to norm, be innovative, and rp to the best of their ability. We say "why does color mean anything in rp" Peopl make stories in the color area for their chars. This is just-
[  ] (motd) (18h42m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur -so, so very wrong..Bypassing an 800 limit just makes it so that they are different..They have to cut it out..Period." yawns and says,"Seriously though, it really isn't that bad..Maybe, since they cut that, we can get the bar back ^^~"

After removing the sarcasm, the player is basically saying that they want a bio that's long enough for them to write the character's background, personality, fighting style and such  (as well as pretty colours) for roleplaying. Without these, it's really hard to get into the mood to roleplay as their characters.

I am just posting this here because the topic's lack of contents. To me, 800 chars just means that I will have to think harder to write a bio that can cover everything without exceeding the char limit.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Uchiha, Rares on August 01, 2009, 03:37:22 PM
And if you feel the char limit is to short for you you can use the personal website....
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Ryukage Darkrasengan on August 01, 2009, 05:15:38 PM
Good way to post something we already covered, fifty. -___-
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Uchiha, Rares on August 01, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
Thanks Dark ^_^
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Ryukage Darkrasengan on August 01, 2009, 05:32:13 PM
You're very welcome my anemic friend. =]

Anyways, throughout all of this, I don't believe that the bar will return.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on August 01, 2009, 07:38:22 PM
Just happen to see this while checking the commentary.

[  ] (motd) (18h47m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur notes,"This is an rp game guys..They HAVE to take away any form of ability to give chars. personalities..After all, rp games DO NOT want you to have a fully functional rp char with a background. It just can't happen because rping doesn't-
[  ] (motd) (18h45m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur - involve creating a character, their personality, and abilities..or the way they fight, etc. Remember, the basis of rp, is to sit there, do nothing, and be bland, and the exact same as everyone else. That is why the hair+eye color is limited. So-
[  ] (motd) (18h43m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur remember guys, that the color is limited, so that people don't stray from to norm, be innovative, and rp to the best of their ability. We say "why does color mean anything in rp" Peopl make stories in the color area for their chars. This is just-
[  ] (motd) (18h42m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur -so, so very wrong..Bypassing an 800 limit just makes it so that they are different..They have to cut it out..Period." yawns and says,"Seriously though, it really isn't that bad..Maybe, since they cut that, we can get the bar back ^^~"

After removing the sarcasm, the player is basically saying that they want a bio that's long enough for them to write the character's background, personality, fighting style and such  (as well as pretty colours) for roleplaying. Without these, it's really hard to get into the mood to roleplay as their characters.

I am just posting this here because the topic's lack of contents. To me, 800 chars just means that I will have to think harder to write a bio that can cover everything without exceeding the char limit.

Exactly what Plur said. I want to include these things in my bio, but there's simply no room unless you become so bland and un-descriptive (I can't think of the word for it, it's on the tip of my tongue) that it basically looks like a 3rd grader wrote it.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Ryukage Darkrasengan on August 01, 2009, 08:54:30 PM
Just happen to see this while checking the commentary.

[  ] (motd) (18h47m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur notes,"This is an rp game guys..They HAVE to take away any form of ability to give chars. personalities..After all, rp games DO NOT want you to have a fully functional rp char with a background. It just can't happen because rping doesn't-
[  ] (motd) (18h45m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur - involve creating a character, their personality, and abilities..or the way they fight, etc. Remember, the basis of rp, is to sit there, do nothing, and be bland, and the exact same as everyone else. That is why the hair+eye color is limited. So-
[  ] (motd) (18h43m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur remember guys, that the color is limited, so that people don't stray from to norm, be innovative, and rp to the best of their ability. We say "why does color mean anything in rp" Peopl make stories in the color area for their chars. This is just-
[  ] (motd) (18h42m) <沈黙> Ekirei 疫 Plur -so, so very wrong..Bypassing an 800 limit just makes it so that they are different..They have to cut it out..Period." yawns and says,"Seriously though, it really isn't that bad..Maybe, since they cut that, we can get the bar back ^^~"

After removing the sarcasm, the player is basically saying that they want a bio that's long enough for them to write the character's background, personality, fighting style and such  (as well as pretty colours) for roleplaying. Without these, it's really hard to get into the mood to roleplay as their characters.

I am just posting this here because the topic's lack of contents. To me, 800 chars just means that I will have to think harder to write a bio that can cover everything without exceeding the char limit.

Exactly what Plur said. I want to include these things in my bio, but there's simply no room unless you become so bland and un-descriptive (I can't think of the word for it, it's on the tip of my tongue) that it basically looks like a 3rd grader wrote it.

Exactly~
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Uchiha, Rares on August 01, 2009, 09:21:33 PM
I'm not saying this is a good nor bad idea...but seriously,you guys know that if neji said his point of view once on an idea,that is bound to not change.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on August 01, 2009, 09:34:26 PM
Neji didn't say his point of view.... He never declined this, at least as far as I can tell. He said to make a request if we'd like more space, so here it is.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Uchiha, Rares on August 01, 2009, 09:50:59 PM
Note: Charlimit for additional bioinfos is 800 chars. T This additional text is turned on by your admin. T This additional physical informations are turned on by your admin.

Question: are 800 chars not enough?

I mean, alright, why not 10,000 chars, the one who triggered the bugfix used ~5k chars... so... do you want a full-page-article about that player?

I cannot (!!) make "x lines of text" happening. If you use 800x600 resolution, a line is short. 1600x1200, a line is long. Which should I use for reference? Else you have breaks all the time in between lines.

Thanks, by the way, to all for just using the bug instead of reporting it. As anybody could see, it was NOT meant to be like this - haircolor is haircolor, not "type in all you want about your char".

You have 25 letters (incl. colors) for your hair/eye color. 800 chars for your bio.


Thats pretty loud and clear to me.:/
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Gyu~ru~ru on August 02, 2009, 01:51:41 AM
Neji didn't say his point of view.... He never declined this, at least as far as I can tell. He said to make a request if we'd like more space, so here it is.

That's what I call positive thinking =)

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You have 25 letters (incl. colors) for your hair/eye color. 800 chars for your bio.

But this part feels like he is telling us what we are getting. And that's most likely final.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on August 02, 2009, 06:30:40 AM
Ah, well then, I guess so.  :-?
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Ryukage Darkrasengan on August 02, 2009, 07:23:55 AM
Wow, what a crush of hopes and dreams.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: atomkai on August 05, 2009, 08:37:34 AM
I know, I know . . . I ask a lot

Note: Charlimit for additional bioinfos is 800 chars. T This additional text is turned on by your admin. T This additional physical informations are turned on by your admin.

Question: are 800 chars not enough?

I mean, alright, why not 10,000 chars, the one who triggered the bugfix used ~5k chars... so... do you want a full-page-article about that player?

Perhaps leave the short bio info alone (~200 chars), expand the 'extended bio info' to 1,000 chars, and somehow make it so that color codes do not count toward your allotment.  To be honest, I do not know how to make that last part occur, but color codes do not add to length, so . . . if it could be done relatively easy, then why not?  It adds to the individuality of the player, without increasing the readable length of the bio.  Though I would guess it still could cause server issues . . .

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I cannot (!!) make "x lines of text" happening. If you use 800x600 resolution, a line is short. 1600x1200, a line is long. Which should I use for reference? Else you have breaks all the time in between lines.

On the page where you enter eye/ hair color, could something along the lines of the following be adopted?

Line 1 (fixed) Eyecolor:  [ enter text here]
Line 2 (fixed) Haircolor: [ enter text here ]
Line 3 [enter text here]: [enter text here]
Line 4 [enter text here]: [enter text here]
Line 5 [enter text here]: [enter text here]

Any line that has an no entry in either text box is simply not displayed (ignored) - both must have some text, or both are ignored.

Oh, and I really wish the 25 could increase to 50.  "Sometimes gray, sometimes blue" does not appear for my eyes and "a fairly boring shade of brown" also does not appear - both sentence are truncated at exactly 13 characters, and I only used one color code (`7) on the text that is showing - meaning that it appears to only process 15 chars for that field currently.

Eyecolor: Sometimes a s
Haircolor: A fairly bori



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Thanks, by the way, to all for just using the bug instead of reporting it. As anybody could see, it was NOT meant to be like this - haircolor is haircolor, not "type in all you want about your char".

Sure, my bad.  My EXCUSE (yes, I know . . . ) is that I did not consider it a bug/exploit.  I was not racking up gems/gold/hp/pks - or any other in game advantage.  As mentioned earlier by someone else, it appeared to be an Easter Egg.  With the rest of the game so regimented, leaving any textbox with no limit seemed unlikely.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on August 05, 2009, 09:13:23 AM

On the page where you enter eye/ hair color, could something along the lines of the following be adopted?

Line 1 (fixed) Eyecolor:  [ enter text here]
Line 2 (fixed) Haircolor: [ enter text here ]
Line 3 [enter text here]: [enter text here]
Line 4 [enter text here]: [enter text here]
Line 5 [enter text here]: [enter text here]

Any line that has an no entry in either text box is simply not displayed (ignored) - both must have some text, or both are ignored.
This is what I was trying to request. I didn't know how else to explain it.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: IceSlayer on August 05, 2009, 10:18:06 AM
Sure a few extra characters doesn't sound like much does it? But think of say an extra 200 characters for each account on the game, now with all the thousands of accounts on the site that really adds up.

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On the page where you enter eye/ hair color, could something along the lines of the following be adopted?

Line 1 (fixed) Eyecolor:  [ enter text here]
Line 2 (fixed) Haircolor: [ enter text here ]
Line 3 [enter text here]: [enter text here]
Line 4 [enter text here]: [enter text here]
Line 5 [enter text here]: [enter text here]

Any line that has an no entry in either text box is simply not displayed (ignored) - both must have some text, or both are ignored.

Okay, you have to create to entries into the database for both Eyecolour and Haircolour as it already is, but then you have to add an extra 6 fields, 3 for the values, and 3 for what your going to call them. again, 6 multiplied by the number of players on the game... it really adds up guys. Neji knows best so just accept no when he says no.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: SleepyHead on August 05, 2009, 08:56:04 PM
I do miss the extended bio, I don't think anyone really intended to cause problems while using it.
They just wanted to make everything easier, as you haven't got to wait to load the extended bio site.
I personally like the extra box idea... but once again I realize that would take a LOT of space and work to implement into the server. But.....It would make everyone happy? And maybe give neji that warm fuzzy feeling? :roll: If that's possible of course ;)
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Mei on August 05, 2009, 09:13:03 PM
lol @ Sleepyhead
Well I took Ice's advice and made me a web bio on webs.com, although I was bound to make one sooner or later. What surprised me is that it only took me 2 days, considering I'm the lazy type. It still needs some editing here and there but it is more or less done. You might as well make a thread that helps people to make/organize their RP work on webs.com. By the time, Neji changes his mind (Big "IF" there), you'll already be done with your own web bio. xD
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: atomkai on August 06, 2009, 06:44:36 AM
Okay, you have to create to entries into the database for both Eyecolour and Haircolour as it already is, but then you have to add an extra 6 fields, 3 for the values, and 3 for what your going to call them. again, 6 multiplied by the number of players on the game... it really adds up guys.

Yes, I realize that it adds up . . . but are you referring to server space or bandwidth?  I was not aware of a space issue, and what are we really talking about as far as extra space goes . . . a potential increase of 10kb per page . . . at max?  I mean, my math could be way off - I admit that, but writing pages, the additions seem to take up a really small amount of space (my pages are efficient and are much more simple).  Assuming my math is ballpark, I could kind of see a bandwidth concern, but how often are bio pages requested?

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Neji knows best so just accept no when he says no.

I, without hesitation, defer to Neji's judgment . . . if for no other reason than he is the admin.  That does not mean there should not be discourse on the matter.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on August 06, 2009, 07:52:16 AM
Neji told me it had nothing to do with space. I see no reason to not increase it slightly. I'm not saying 5k chars. No, we don't need that. 1,200 in the additional bios and 50 in eye color and hair color would suffice. Currently, the eye color and hair color fits almost nothing unless you want a 2 colored, 1 word color description. I prefer things like, for example: slate grey, emerald green, sky blue, etc. These don't fit unless you have 1, maybe 2, colors.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: atomkai on August 06, 2009, 08:02:06 AM
. . .  and 50 in eye color and hair color would suffice. Currently, the eye color and hair color fits almost nothing unless you want a 2 colored, 1 word color description. I prefer things like, for example: slate grey, emerald green, sky blue, etc. These don't fit unless you have 1, maybe 2, colors.

Only the first 15 characters entered in my eye/hair color appear on my bio - see page three for details.  One color code (`7) which equals two characters and 13 characters of text.

ETA:  Okay, so 17 chars (2 for the one color code, 13 text characters and 2 spaces).
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Demon Bandit Taumaster on August 06, 2009, 08:10:52 AM
I noticed that as well. The current limit says 25, right? 15 is really not much to work with if you want anything beyond " `1blue "  :-?


Edit: I'm requesting the 1,200 in additional bio if Atomkai's formatted request is not possible to code/space/etc.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Neji on August 06, 2009, 12:25:54 PM
There are several solutions to this...

as it came up, if people want to format things like...

ATTRIBUTE: blabla

STYLE: blabla

...

then I don't see why eye/haircolor is necessary... it can just be in that very same textfield. I can just drop that ^^ so you have no 25 chars limit whatsoever.

As said about the size: I can go up with it and it won't really hit the server performance hard, but if you have *huge* text on each bio, most people will skip the reading part.

My suggestion is to drop the individual stats( hair/eyes) and make one big text field.

Now only the size is the question.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Gyu~ru~ru on August 06, 2009, 12:58:28 PM
Well, everyone write a bio with colour, codes, descriptions, background, skills and everything. Please keep a 1500 characters limit in mind while doing so. When you are done, post it here along with the number of characters you ended up with.

Use the link below to count the number of characters,
http://www.lettercount.com/

Important: Please keep in mind that everybody is going to read that bio you wrote. I don't think anybody is interested in reading a really long story about your boring childhood, your days in the academy, balr blar blar... or seeing a long list of your friends and jutsu.

An average bio length will be calculated to help Neji determine the character limit for the additional bio. I suggest removing the short bio (225 char limit) along with the hair & eye colour.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: atomkai on August 06, 2009, 04:09:29 PM
There are several solutions to this...

as it came up, if people want to format things like...

ATTRIBUTE: blabla

STYLE: blabla

...

then I don't see why eye/haircolor is necessary... it can just be in that very same textfield. I can just drop that ^^ so you have no 25 chars limit whatsoever.

I understand what you are saying, and if having the 'user definable' attributes creates problems, then I understand that not being a desirable option.  I will send you a picture showing my reworked ideas - which I would have no problem doing . . . if only I could make sense of the bio.php file (I have stagnated).


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As said about the size: I can go up with it and it won't really hit the server performance hard, but if you have *huge* text on each bio, most people will skip the reading part.

My suggestion is to drop the individual stats( hair/eyes) and make one big text field.

Now only the size is the question.

I have two concerns regarding this:  

(1) I think in a bio/dossier/bingo book entry - there are certain standard fields that the compiler of such information attempts to fill.  I would think eye color and hair color would be standard entries.  But I also think that those two plus age, height, etc. should be up with all of the other 'stats' (next to, or just below the picture - ideally, that is where the three 'user definable' fields would reside also).

(2) Aesthetically, I don't like seeing this:

Bio:
Eyecolor: whatever I want to put.
Haircolor: whatever I want to put.

AtomKai blah, blah, blah


Having the word 'Bio', with no apparent text next to it, and having it be directly above whatever I created with the `n looks awkward (to me).

I understand it is much more work to do it the other way, and if no time is available, I understand . . . I am not complaining.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Zimzamboo on September 28, 2010, 11:03:30 PM
Sorry to revive this old topic, but it seems it died without resolution (and I see no need to make a new, when this one has a a great deal of good info to it)

I liked Tau's idea best, having "custom" lines, but it was swiftly denied it seems.


I know, even now, there are many who wish they had more bio space, as well as a slightly longer eye/hair color if those were to stay.

Is this just not possible?
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: ShinobiIceSlayer on September 28, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
Yes, it is called making a Website, and adding it as the link in your Personal website area.
That or just learn to use your space wisely.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Jinsei on September 29, 2010, 12:24:24 AM
(2) Aesthetically, I don't like seeing this:

Bio:
Eyecolor: whatever I want to put.
Haircolor: whatever I want to put.

AtomKai blah, blah, blah


Having the word 'Bio', with no apparent text next to it, and having it be directly above whatever I created with the `n looks awkward (to me).

I understand it is much more work to do it the other way, and if no time is available, I understand . . . I am not complaining.
I personally add a sentence or two after Bio: so it flows more fluently.

Example
Bio:
[Insert name] is a god amongst every ninja in the ninja world!
He is calm and polite to even the most wicked of shinobi.
Eyecolor: whatever I want to put.
Haircolor: whatever I want to put.
Extra thing: whatever I want to put.
Extra thing: whatever I want to put.
Extra thing: whatever I want to put.


Yes, it is called making a Website, and adding it as the link in your Personal website area.
That or just learn to use your space wisely.
Huzzah! I am pretty sure that is what everybody does now-a-days.
Whether you like it or not, you MUST CONFORM!

Not really, but Ice has the right idea. I see no problem with the current text limit or the issue above.
If you want or need more room, make a website (there are plenty of free ones out there) and put everything in it.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: ShinobiIceSlayer on September 29, 2010, 01:45:02 AM
Yep, I personally don't want to see your whole life story when I click on your Bio, I just want to see a brief summary of yourself.
If I'm more interested in finding out more, ie a RP setting, then I'll be willing to go and research more.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Zimzamboo on September 29, 2010, 05:29:13 AM
Not all want, and for the few, know how to make a sub-site for it.

It was nice having more detailed bio work, on server
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: ShinobiIceSlayer on September 29, 2010, 05:31:39 AM
The way I see it, if you want a more detailed bio, and are willing to put in the work, then it is hardly much more effort to make your own.
Then you can do whatever you want with if it, no limits.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: Jinsei on September 29, 2010, 07:11:32 AM
Not all want, and for the few, know how to make a sub-site for it.

It was nice having more detailed bio work, on server

Plus, sites like yola.com and freewebs.com do not require ANY coding knowledge of HTML or CSS.
Little to no knowledge is required or even necessary to create a sub-site.
Title: Re: Extended Bios (Sectioned Bios)
Post by: sharakkar on September 29, 2010, 11:52:39 PM
Was it nice to be able to put more info in the bio? Yes. Was it completely necessary? No. The way I see it, the bio was just meant to be something short that would give other players a general idea of who your character was. So only the main points should be included. If you want to increase the length of your hair/eye colour than it is a simple matter of choosing to not show that part in your character bio and then typing it all in in the actual bio. ie

Bio: blah blah blah
Eyecolour: Supercalafragalistc Magneyko Purple Great Eye of Bob
Haircolour: The blackest of blacks, blacker than that black thing, black

It doesn't really take that much effort to do something like that. And it is a simple matter to create a sub site on like freewebs.com or something.