Shinobi Legends Forum
Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Isamu on August 06, 2012, 07:16:54 PM
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So it is recognized that the seven swordsmen weapons exist in game, but what about Kumogakure's (manga) possession of the Six Paths tools.
If not already in place, i vote it should stay that way, and not be used in any way at all. I think that the accessibility of the seven swords is enough of a character boost if a shinobi maintains control over it, and the means to obtain is enough and well placed through a challenge against the person who has the desired weapon.
If you comment please place your opinion and how you vote.
Against.
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They do exist, I think naruto has the pot, pete got some from Trev.
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Ok.
only 3 people?
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Can't say I know where they all wound up.
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Word. thanks.
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Naruto has two, Pete has the fan, I have the Seven Star Sword.
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Murciélago has the rope.
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Murciélago has the rope.
So the rope is effectively out of rp.
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Basically Kumo never got the chance to even possess their own treasures >>
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Basically Kumo never got the chance to even possess their own treasures >>
Nope! Cause former Oto shinobi and Naruto hoarded them all! There basically useless anyway though. Three of them need to be used in conjunction, that won't work in rp. One jar could be cool if someone gets creative with fuinjutsu, and the fan is pretty cool. Though you basically have to have a biju to use them and not die.
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And how exactly did these people come in possession of Kumogakure treasures? To my knowledge, at the beginning at least, the SSM swords were all in the mist.
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Is curious also.
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Since in the beginning of SL there was no Kumo board, I'm guessing when they were introduced, claims were brought out, maybe challeneged, then the victors kept them, regardless of village of origin.
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At the beginning, each item was found in some sort of rp based event. Just because it originates from somewhere in the show, doesn't mean it has to be on SL. I'm sure Bocc didn't get his Jinogu scroll from Takigakure, and I know there are many other things like this.
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One would think that they would at least begin in Kumo especially because to my knowledge noone even knew the RP of obtaining them was even taking place. Personally, i just looked up one day and people were claiming them. My response? "Errrr ok? :shock: )
Let's also keep in mind that there's no proof that the seven swords began in Kiri. It's their resting place from the time the show began and things went from there. Should the not be held true for treasures of Kumo? Just asking
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That's why you got to stay informed! All the rp took place within the zones, even several fights occurred ( Sabumaru v. Solo) to void their claims now would be unfair. I don't believe the items should just start off in Kumo, as this is SL, so it doesn't have to and there are plenty of examples, such as summoning contracts, other filler items, etc. I could gather a full list if required, but it is extensive.
However, I do feel like you should be able to challenge for the items to make it fair. This would have to be a site rule that stands for all weapons, and challenges would be similar to biju fights. Any opinions on challenges for items?
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The question comes into the fact that how would these be Rp'ed for when noone knows where they even came from? In essence the fact that Kumo didn't have a village on the board was capitalized on and you guys made up whatever. The treasures themselves aren't even being used. I'm simply pointing out facts here.
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The way I saw it, you could challenge for any items you wanted already. The issue is getting your hands on who has the weapon you want and beating them for it.
Or, just fight them IC, take the weapon, and run like hell. xD
Anyways, I thought it had already been implemented, bust just in case, I vote that all items are challengeable.
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Also a canon character has a majority of the items.
Even though we condemn the usage of canon characters in zone fights and role-play in general, the majority somehow ended up within NarutoUzumaki's grasp.
I mean I saw not too long ago that someone wanted to claim the Gold and Silvers brothers; even though they hold the Kyuubi's chakras and it wouldn't make that much sense since Zenaku is the current Jinchuuuriki.
Even then I assume that Zenaku told the guy he had to beat him first in order to claim such a power since the latter mailed me on how to beat Zenaku. :roll:
I never fought him although I want to sometimes in the future with Enishi. :oops:
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Also a canon character has a majority of the items.
Even though we condemn the usage of canon characters in zone fights and role-play in general, the majority somehow ended up within NarutoUzumaki's grasp.
I mean I saw not too long ago that someone wanted to claim the Gold and Silvers brothers; even though they hold the Kyuubi's chakras and it wouldn't make that much sense since Zenaku is the current Jinchuuuriki.
Even then I assume that Zenaku told the guy he had to beat him first in order to claim such a power since the latter mailed me on how to beat Zenaku. :roll:
I never fought him although I want to sometimes in the future with Enishi. :oops:
Isn't that touching? People asking good ol' Camel how to take down lil ol me. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy lol.
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The question comes into the fact that how would these be Rp'ed for when noone knows where they even came from? In essence the fact that Kumo didn't have a village on the board was capitalized on and you guys made up whatever. The treasures themselves aren't even being used. I'm simply pointing out facts here.
Where they come from, depends on who rp gathering it. I believe Solo found the sword in a river bed, Naruto and Athos did some long rp in some ruins for three of the items. No different than how Rakudo got the scroll that contained how to use explosive clay, when Iwagakure wasn't around
It is a darn shame that the items aren't being used, which is why people should challenge for them to keep them alive. Though, most item holders say they don't have to accept a challenge. I don't see why any of them have it anyway, using the items would more then likely lead to their death.
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So you're telling me they just said "oh look, a sword from the sage of the six paths is lying here in the water? Let me take it" and that's it? smh
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No, I'm telling you some of the basic's of the rp event, that happened. It wasn't that simple either, as I recall and it was an actual rp event that wasn't done in just a few moments. I can't recall nor recite every single little thing that happened, for I was barely involved, so you'll have to excuse me. I still think that's better, than just every treasure appearing in Kumogakure.
As I recall and based upon this topic, you seem to want the treasures, well why don't you challenge them for it, like you did with me? Seems like the easy solution, rather than voiding people who have had these items since the debut of the manga?
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You seem to keep overlooking how the RP was even done. They were introduced as treasures of Kumo. You didn't see anybody RP "just finding" the seven swords did you? Nope because it was already pointed out where they were. I could challenge for them but that's time i currently don't have as i have my hands in other things. I'm trying to get you to understand the point of simply doing a RP and calling it official without even going to any of the ones that would of had a say. For example, if they were supposedly introduced in Kumo i don't recall anybody coming to the village they were supposed to belong to. They didn't approach me nor any of the former Raikage. I'm not pushing the issue about their RP, i'm pushing how they did it.
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What I'm pushing, is this is SL, not actual Naruto, therefore the treasure don't need to start off in Kumo. As for the seven swords, well I haven't been around long enough to know how they were found in SL. But, if this is true, then shouldn't Rakudo drop his explosive clay to Iwagakure? Or Bocc drop his Jinogu to the non-existent Takigakure? I'm merely stating my opinion off prior example in the SL community that haven't really been disputed. If you feel this strongly, perhaps take the issue up with the holders of each item. Some don't visit the forum, and I'm basically speaking for them right now. Tell them your issues and maybe they'll drop the claim. If not, then you'll have to get everyone else to void them. I'm just speaking for those not on the forum really, could care less about the items and who they belong to.
So now I understand where you're coming from, hopfully you understand me now. :shock:
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Kubikiribōchō, the demon sword, was born in Otogakure by my hands. The creation took place in the rice fields via rp, and I believe Taumaster saw the sword being made. Sometime after its creation, I gave the sword to Sound Suigetsu, a shinobi that Cmage fought and defeated. Mizukage Cmage took the sword as a spoil after the battle.
If Zenaku's all powerful like he is portrayed, then he should cease this conversation and take back what belongs to his village.
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Kubikiribōchō, the demon sword, was born in Otogakure by my hands. The creation took place in the rice fields via rp, and I believe Taumaster saw the sword being made. Sometime after its creation, I gave the sword to Sound Suigetsu, a shinobi that Cmage fought and defeated. Mizukage Cmage took the sword as a spoil after the battle.
If Zenaku's all powerful like he is portrayed, then he should cease this conversation and take back what belongs to his village.
See comment above.... Also it's not like they can be used by just anybody in the first place nor do i particularly need them all although i'll be going after the one i want.
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Well this was done in legit RP Zenaku. Just like how we quested for the ice dragon spirit.
Oh yeah, just like how I got that 6 Path eye... Hey...
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no actually. lol. hey!
Well I rp'd with someone who had 6 resets for Rinnegan. But apparently since he had never rp'd before he missed the dead line, and can now never rp with the resets he has. Is the argument I've been hearing.
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Let's not derail this topic.
Keep it on topic with the Tools of the Sage.
Because god forbid if I lock this before someone has their say, someone will start crying that I am abusing things. :roll:
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Zenaku cannot be the only one in his entire village. I'm sure there has to be someone else in his village that is both powerful enough and has the time (while the Summer season in the Western Hemisphere is going on) to fight for the weapons. How they did the RP may be questionable by the many (and I mean many) standards that we put on RP today, but they acquired them one way or another before all of that.
So without further ado, I just plain say that without a doubt they are required to fight to keep them if they are in demand by another and challenged for it. Voiding the methods of what is apparently a long-gone RP will probably be neither regarded by the persons invovled or encourage said persons to RP more.
Edit: Grammar
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And I am guessing that this "required to fight to keep" proposition applies to Kiri's 7 great swords as well? I'm all for this idea, though shouldn't there also be some sort of requirements done to "locate" these items at least?
I seems a bit off to me if a person can OOC'ly check the wikia to see who has what item and instantly challenge for what they want. Perhaps the challenger should also provide a logical reason/RP as to how they located the possessor of said wanted item before challenging them for it.
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The way the SSM are arranged is as follows.
Since they are Kiri treasures, you have to be a Kiri nin to challenge.
then you have to be tested.
then if you pass the test you challenge the 7th seat. That is why it is called the Bloody Seat.
if you beat her you are in.
there is a forum that can be found as a link on Mioku's bio to read all about it and make your application for eligibility.
Except for me of course, I'm not a Kiri nin OR part of the Seven Swordsmen. So you can stick your challenge where the sun don't shine. Unless I feel like it of course.
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I actually don't even really care about the treasures. I just wanted cool sage decorations for my office in Kumo
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this used to hang on the wall in my office in Suna.
http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj433/KayentaMoenkopi/ShavedBumblebee.jpg (http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj433/KayentaMoenkopi/ShavedBumblebee.jpg)
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Just............ ew. :-?
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The way the SSM are arranged is as follows.
Since they are Kiri treasures, you have to be a Kiri nin to challenge.
then you have to be tested.
then if you pass the test you challenge the 7th seat. That is why it is called the Bloody Seat.
if you beat her you are in.
there is a forum that can be found as a link on Mioku's bio to read all about it and make your application for eligibility.
http://seven-swords.proboards.com/index.cgi (http://seven-swords.proboards.com/index.cgi)
Those guidelines are to be followed if one is interested in attaining a seat among the seven swordsmen. This has no correlation with obtaining the actual swords themselves as spoils of war, which was what my question was directed towards ^ ^.
Shouldn't the 7 treasured sword of Kiri be treated just as any of the other treasures of the Claimed? I'm asking this for clarification to make sure I'm on the right page with all the "how to obtain" courtesies.
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If they are the property of the village, then why does it seem like for the most part, the blades seem to "disappear" from the village of origin? If someone not a Kiri nin wants it, then they should be able to challenge for it, regardless of whether they are a Mist ninja or not. And the reasoning of "well, swordsmen with that sword are famous by defacto" can always be the logical excuse for how you know about them having it. ^_^
And as decorations for your office Zenaku? They're still not being used then either really. >.>
And Shima choosing not to wager the sword other than to becoming a swordsman doesn't really seem fair as far as tools go.
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And as decorations for your office Zenaku? They're still not being used then either really. >.>
Hence the reason i said i don't particularly need them and that my only issue was HOW they were obtained. It is what it is.