Shinobi Legends Forum
Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Bocchiere on December 02, 2012, 11:30:33 PM
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This has come up several times with people noting "we need to make a topic about this" but never actually doing it. So I decided to do it. What is the general opinion right now, regarding this? Should all canon items be able to be challenged for just like a bijuu? 7 swordsmen swords, the Mazo, etc. Should people be to challenge for anything claimed? Summons and jutsu as well? My opinion regarding it is that it should be just objects, not techniques, that are able to be challenged for. I think it might be a bit too hectic if you could challenge for anything. I certainly don't mind defending the Kusanagi and Samehada and it would certainly benefit me if I could challenge for items currently being hidden away, like the Gedo Mazo and the Totsuka Sword. This is how I see it right now
Pros: Encourages more rp. Makes sure people will not just claim things for the sake of having something claimed and then never using it. Things will not be removed from rp on the whims of several or even one person.
Cons: Bocchiere is gonna get every powerful object and people are going to whine about how skilled and handsome he is.
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Items and Weapons such as the Seven Swordsmen Swords and etc? Yes.
Justus? No and here's why:
If people just kept winning and winning the more "unique" technique from the other person then the Jutsu would lose it's meaning and uniqueness instantly before we know it. Also, you can't really "claim" a Jutsu through battle, it's only the person who is able to perform the more "unique" technique who can learn you the Jutsu through training. You don't see Genma Shiranui or any of Minato's guards providing the secrets of the Flying Thunder God Technique away to everyone. EVEN Tsunade, the Godaime Hokage or Naruto who is Minato's son. Hiraishin should remain unique and it should remain remain unique still. So if the person dies whilst he/her hadn't learned anyone the "unique" Jutsu he/her desires, then the Jutsu will go lost forever. In other words, no one will ever be able to learn the said Technique he/she desires. EVER. No exception.
Weapons/Items should be claimed through battle or OOC crap. The Seven Swordsmen's weapons in the canon series has been used by people who are not even members of the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist (Kakashi, Killer Bee). It should only be fair to claim a canon weapon such as the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist's swords or the Sage of Six Path's treasured tools. Self-created weapons however, should not be claimed through battle or OOC crap without the creator's permission.
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I agree, and this is only a question of challenging for canon items, as those tend to be the most powerful.
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Weapons and objects like Totsuka blade, in my opinion should indeed be able to be challenged for. Bocc's reasoning in the Pro section of his post is my reason for this as it is a bit unfair for a person to claim something then never RP, effectively locking the object away forever. No matter how I look at the scenario, it's unfair. If you're going to claim something be ready to defend it in RP, otherwise simply pass it on to someone who will.
As for techniques, I don't think simply battling for it would cut it, unless the user agrees to it. Simply putting the smack down on someone for it wouldn't make sense in RP, unless you take the body and poke at its brain or something similar for the jutsu. I sure wouldn't want to teach someone something if they kick my butt in a brawl XD Jokes aside, techniques, summons, etc should simply be up to the user's discretion.
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Weapons and objects like Totsuka blade, in my opinion should indeed be able to be challenged for. Bocc's reasoning in the Pro section of his post is my reason for this as it is a bit unfair for a person to claim something then never RP, effectively locking the object away forever. No matter how I look at the scenario, it's unfair. If you're going to claim something be ready to defend it in RP, otherwise simply pass it on to someone who will.
As for techniques, I don't think simply battling for it would cut it, unless the user agrees to it. Simply putting the smack down on someone for it wouldn't make sense in RP, unless you take the body and poke at its brain or something similar for the jutsu. I sure wouldn't want to teach someone something if they kick my butt in a brawl XD Jokes aside, techniques, summons, etc should simply be up to the user's discretion.
^ This. People such as Mioku or Ranketsu are barely RolePlaying and yet they claim the Sword of Totsuka and a sword from the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist. If you claim a weapon that you are supposed to be using in ROLEPLAY then prepare yourself 'cause other people might be desiring the weapon you possess.
I also agree with some of Tsuyo's opinion with regards to Technique claiming. It's the person who can perform the said technique's choice if he/she is in the mood to teach the person a "unique" technique he/she desires. Battle doesn't count, training with the person who can perform the more "unique" technique counts.
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Mioku does have the Totsuka sword however Ranketsu does not have a SSM blade, not all the seated swordsmen have a sword, this is the list of sword owners.
Kubikiri Bōchō - Rakudo
Samehada - Bocchiere
Hiramekarei - Rakudo
Kiba - Rakudo
Kabutowari - Umioso
Nuibari - Mioku
Shibuki - Enishi
I have kinda wanted to make a point about Mioku specifically but have never really bothered. He is locking away not only the Totsuka sword, which he openly claims to have merely so it cannot be "abused", but Nuibari as well, since he does not rp at all as far as I know. It's nothing against Mioku, he is a nice enough guy, but I don't like anyone locking things away because they can. Either on purpose or through their inactivity.
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I think that Weapons and items like the SSM sword should be able to be challenged, but what would happen if the owner of one went inactive for too long? Would it be anyone could just claim it or would it be like a little competition?
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Sounds like a fair system when it comes to canon items.
And isn't the Sword of Totsuka a canon Susanoo item? If so, then it should exist in it's canon form and go to whoever manages to claim it first that have unlocked Susanoo in at least it's complete form (second form, which is usually regarded to be unlocked by GM Uchiha). Same goes for it's counterpart, the Yata Mirror, which has been rightfully claimed by Yumei's Gaiaku. So the race for it's claim should be on.
*claims*
I'm kidding on that claim part, since I already have two custom Susanoo items.
On another note, canon summoning contracts would make people be a bit hasty left and right. I wouldn't worry about Toads/Frogs, since it's an implemented in-game summon/reset, which means it cannot be claimed.
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Well alright, that's like most of SL, guess it's an official rule now.
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To be honest, I never understood how Mioku could claim the Totsuka blade without a susano'o...Also, would the object be in someone's eye or....I've no idea x.x
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I asked him once and he told me he had a perfectly fair way for a regular human to use it. So maybe he can just summon up a human sized Totsuka Sword.
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All items should be able to be able to be challenged for imo, both canon and custom, as I have witnessed custom tools that have far more menacing descriptions than canon ones.
And what's this madness? Even were this to be implemented, people always will just go inactive if, after all, no one can strip it from them if they are never challengable.
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All items should be able to be able to be challenged for imo, both canon and custom, as I have witnessed custom tools that have far more menacing descriptions than canon ones.
And what's this madness? Even were this to be implemented, people always will just go inactive if, after all, no one can strip it from them if they are never challengable.
Then perhaps the community could make a rule about going inactive without prior notice or something. If you're inactive for over 30 days, your claimed items could be up for grabs. Would make things fair, and keep the items in RP as well, unless someone has a better idea, or a different opinion.
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Like I said, it would be like bijuu challenges. If you refuse the challenge for no reason or are too inactive to defend then you get stripped.
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Like I said, it would be like bijuu challenges. If you refuse the challenge for no reason or are too inactive to defend then you get stripped.
And we make sure they are stripped and are illegimate users... how now? There are nine bijuu, but there are countless items in the SL world. When I was coming up, I was giving some advice; get a companion and get a custom tool. I"m sure that hasn't changed much for anyone who sticks around SL for very long.
So how do we make sure that they don't use it any longer? A council and scorn probably won't be enough for this one imo.
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Which is why I suggested it apply only to canon items. It is easy to keep track of who really has Samehada.
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True, but if I were to ever lose my sword, I would rather not have to go through hell and high waters just to find the guy who made off with it. >.>
But alas... I suppose canon items would be easier simply becuase there are fewer of them to keep track of...
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Not sure why Rakudo has possession of the Hiramekarei. Last I recall, Osho-Kiba had it.
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It was traded to Kiri for the Sanbi I suppose. A slight assumption btw...
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To be honest, I never understood how Mioku could claim the Totsuka blade without a susano'o...Also, would the object be in someone's eye or....I've no idea x.x
The Sword of Totsuka and the Yata Mirror is not a Susano'o item as Itachi achieved these ancient weapons prior unlocking the Susano'o. So I wouldn't really classify it as a "Susano'o weapon" because if it was, then both Sasuke and Madara would already have both the Yata Mirror and Sword of Totsuka on their grasp and seal away Naruto and company without ease.
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Not sure why Rakudo has possession of the Hiramekarei. Last I recall, Osho-Kiba had it.
Tetsujin left Hachibi and Hiramekarei to Jinzo(Osho-Kiba), then he left both of those to Zenaku, then I traded Sanbi for Hiramekarei.
Now onto the subject at hand; this matter has been discussed before and the conclusion was that canon items are not like bijuu thus with every right a challenge can be denied. Mainly because the SSM swords are just that, swords that belong to the SSM; the only real way to obtain one would be through a trade or IC death.
In reference to Totsuka blade, if you remember correctly Orochimaru was searching for it and never found it. How would he have used it without Susanoo anyway?
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Not sure why Rakudo has possession of the Hiramekarei. Last I recall, Osho-Kiba had it.
Tetsujin left Hachibi and Hiramekarei to Jinzo(Osho-Kiba), then he left both of those to Zenaku, then I traded Sanbi for Hiramekarei.
Now onto the subject at hand; this matter has been discussed before and the conclusion was that canon items are not like bijuu thus with every right a challenge can be denied. Mainly because the SSM swords are just that, swords that belong to the SSM; the only real way to obtain one would be through a trade or IC death.
In reference to Totsuka blade, if you remember correctly Orochimaru was searching for it and never found it. How would he have used it without Susanoo anyway?
How is Mioku using it without a Susano'o? >> and that doesn't make any sense to me. If you have a demon inside of you then of course you need to fight everyone who asks to the death, but if they want your magic sword they can take a hike.
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If you're saying I can't deny a sword challenge(which you have no say over anyway) then you can't deny anyone a challenge for jutsu. What's the difference after all? Might as well throw in that everyone can challenge for Kage positions and Summon contract holders, and even ruler of the free world.
If you want a SSM sword, join SSM and maybe I'll give you one. The End.
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If you're saying I can't deny a sword challenge(which you have no say over anyway) then you can't deny anyone a challenge for jutsu. What's the difference after all? Might as well throw in that everyone can challenge for Kage positions and Summon contract holders, and even ruler of the free world.
If you want a SSM sword, join SSM and maybe I'll give you one. The End.
Because none of those things are canon items. >>;
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Well, I am curious as to what stops us from challenging for swords.
Technicalities assume their duty and say this: You challenge a swordsman for their sword; that sword marks you as swordsman of the mist -- but you can always defect from kiri, no?
So, you can challenge for the sword and not need to be a swordsman.
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Not sure why Rakudo has possession of the Hiramekarei. Last I recall, Osho-Kiba had it.
Tetsujin left Hachibi and Hiramekarei to Jinzo(Osho-Kiba), then he left both of those to Zenaku, then I traded Sanbi for Hiramekarei.
Jinny actually left the blade and the beast to me with his account.
Actually they were both left as Kumo treasures to be used by the current reigning Raikage lol
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Oh-ho-ho? >>
Gee, I must have not seen you when I was having coffee with the kid and you were ease-dropping and shifting words about on your notepad.
NERDLERS TER SERY. What's done is done.
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Oh-ho-ho? >>
Gee, I must have not seen you when I was having coffee with the kid and you were ease-dropping and shifting words about on your notepad.
NERDLERS TER SERY. What's done is done.
I was in the other room playing under your Raifudo account :D
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Challenged for the Hiramekarei and was promised a fight when the user had more 'time' ;~;
Still wants the fight regardless of whom has it now >__>
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Yeah, it was me who promised you the fight but I didn't know it was gone.
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o3o
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Sooooooooooooooo, this gonna become a thing? >>
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Nope, hardly any percentage of SL has seen or commented on the matter.
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Plenty of people were whining at me to follow Pete's Edo Tensei rules when like 5 of you said they were ok and the topic was locked. >_> There is no reason NOT to do this, other then people not wanting to have to fight.
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Personally I don't see why canon items can't be challenged for. In my eyes, they're basically like a bijuu; you win, you keep the item, you lose, it gets taken away. Even though they're specifically seven swordsmen swords in that they're unique, that's basically just their name and really only indicates where they originated from. Swords aren't tied down by their location nor possession (as seen in the manga when the swords have swapped owners on occasion), and I don't see why they would be off-limits.
Besides, if you're in possession of a canon sword and don't have the skill to hold onto it via a challenge, then you probably don't deserve it anyways.
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1. Challenge for canon items such as swords or tools? Yes, I believe those should pose the risk of being "taken" by the victor of a challenge. We can already challenge people for Bijuu and actual body parts (eyes, heart, etc), so what makes inanimate objects any different?
2. Challenge for jutsu? No, that doesn't make sense since you don't magically learn jutsu from a dead sensei. Of course, you always have the option of beating someone bloody and forcing them somehow to teach the intended jutsu to you out of fear.
3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
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1. Challenge for canon items such as swords or tools? Yes, I believe those should pose the risk of being "taken" by the victor of a challenge. We can already challenge people for Bijuu and actual body parts (eyes, heart, etc), so what makes inanimate objects any different?
2. Challenge for jutsu? No, that doesn't make sense since you don't magically learn jutsu from a dead sensei. Of course, you always have the option of beating someone bloody and forcing them somehow to teach the intended jutsu to you out of fear.
3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
What she said...
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3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
I'm not even sure the point of claiming the Mazo except so that others can't have it, really. Without any bijuu within it, I thought it was just a husk of whatever it's made of.
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3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
I'm not even sure the point of claiming the Mazo except so that others can't have it, really. Without any bijuu within it, I thought it was just a husk of whatever it's made of.
Actually, the Mazo was summoned and used by Nagato after he saw Yahiko die, and used it to kill all those Root and Ame nin.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Demonic_Statue_of_the_Outer_Path
And the Mazo doesn't really have a sense of who it should serve, since it's been shown that the summoner has control of it regardless.
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3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
I'm not even sure the point of claiming the Mazo except so that others can't have it, really. Without any bijuu within it, I thought it was just a husk of whatever it's made of.
Actually, the Mazo was summoned and used by Nagato after he saw Yahiko die, and used it to kill all those Root and Ame nin.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Demonic_Statue_of_the_Outer_Path
And the Mazo doesn't really have a sense of who it should serve, since it's been shown that the summoner has control of it regardless.
I'm pretty sure it only serves those who have made contract with it and manage to summon it with a particular doujutsu, I recall seeing in the manga that Madara showed Tobi what the Gedo Mazo truly was and what it's functions were for then Obito carried on his will, by taking his name and finding Nagato which lead up to him using it against Hanzo/Danzo's shinobis.
Madara > Tobi/Obito > Nagato
It's more plausible to say that the information regarding Gedo Mazo was passed down from person to person.
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1. Challenge for canon items such as swords or tools? Yes, I believe those should pose the risk of being "taken" by the victor of a challenge. We can already challenge people for Bijuu and actual body parts (eyes, heart, etc), so what makes inanimate objects any different?
2. Challenge for jutsu? No, that doesn't make sense since you don't magically learn jutsu from a dead sensei. Of course, you always have the option of beating someone bloody and forcing them somehow to teach the intended jutsu to you out of fear.
3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
^ This.
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There is no Gedo Mazo summoning contract, Madara somehow magically snatched it out of the moon once he awakened the Rinnegan. Obviously I am not unbiased here as I want that thing like nobody's business but remember that first and foremost it is the Heretical Demon Statue, an object used to contain the bijuu for the Juubi's revival. The Mazo is even more OP than the Rinnegan itself and people are either gonna be Mushashi and hide it or be me and use it to attack every village and all their enemies, there isn't gonna be a lot of middle ground when you have a giant with destructive capabilities that put's gundam to shame.
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Well I see the way this is going..... have fun contacting me in RP (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
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I'm pretty sure it only serves those who have made contract with it and manage to summon it with a particular doujutsu, I recall seeing in the manga that Madara showed Tobi what the Gedo Mazo truly was and what it's functions were for then Obito carried on his will, by taking his name and finding Nagato which lead up to him using it against Hanzo/Danzo's shinobis.
Madara > Tobi/Obito > Nagato
It's more plausible to say that the information regarding Gedo Mazo was passed down from person to person.
The personal holding of summoning contracts are a fabrication of SL, not Naruto. They serve as a list of who can summon the type of animal or species it is for. It is usually held by a single person, who also determines who gets to sign it or not. This is contrary to what is shown in the series, which shows that the species is the one who usually chooses, and signers (most likely Sages, since Jiraiya was the only one shown being able to summon the physical contract itself) are able to summon the contract for whomever wants to sign it. And even then, one would have to gain the loyalty and trust of the creatures they summon. (Naruto summoning Gamabunta: ch 96, Orochimaru summoning Manda: ch 170) But this is a whole other subject.
The Gedo Mazo is a one-of-a-kind object/creature, which can only be summoned by someone with a Rinnegan (Animal Path). Madara also states that Obito is able to control it, due to him being Uchiha and literally half Senju.
This brings up another issue: The difference in being able to summon it, and being able to control it.
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Generally, Musashi summoned it first, and planted a seal on it to prevent anybody else from summoning it. As for control, I suppose the seal itself restricts the Mazō's control to its (the seal's) creator, Musashi. Really now, there'd only be complications arising were there to be multiple 'summoner''s of it, or no method of limiting the quantity of people capable of 'summoning' it - there's always a priority-issue and the sort to worry about.
To seize control of it from him, either force him to destroy the seal himself via genjutsu-derived control, or destroy it personally while the Mazō's presently-summoned (unlikely scenario, though). There's always the Human Path as an alternative, but not everybody has it (of course).
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Well I see the way this is going..... have fun contacting me in RP (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
You mean like we have to do to challenge for a bijuu? Which is what we've been discussing being able to do for canon items? Oh wait... :oops:
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Well I see the way this is going..... have fun contacting me in RP (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
You mean like we have to do to challenge for a bijuu? Which is what we've been discussing being able to do for canon items? Oh wait... :oops:
No spell check?
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Well I see the way this is going..... have fun contacting me in RP (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
You mean like we have to do to challenge for a bijuu? Which is what we've been discussing being able to do for canon items? Oh wait... :oops:
No spell check?
I didn't need it since nothing is spelled wrong?
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Well I see the way this is going..... have fun contacting me in RP (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
You mean like we have to do to challenge for a bijuu? Which is what we've been discussing being able to do for canon items? Oh wait... :oops:
No spell check?
I didn't need it since nothing is spelled wrong?
Exactly. When did you become so fluent?
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Well I see the way this is going..... have fun contacting me in RP (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
You mean like we have to do to challenge for a bijuu? Which is what we've been discussing being able to do for canon items? Oh wait... :oops:
No spell check?
I didn't need it since nothing is spelled wrong?
Exactly. When did you become so fluent?
Never, I probably accidentally did it all right.
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Well I see the way this is going..... have fun contacting me in RP (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
You mean like we have to do to challenge for a bijuu? Which is what we've been discussing being able to do for canon items? Oh wait... :oops:
My point was, since it appears everyone is for your ...... idea; I'm just going to apply the same rule I did for bijuu challenges. Come find me in RP...
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Well I see the way this is going..... have fun contacting me in RP (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
You mean like we have to do to challenge for a bijuu? Which is what we've been discussing being able to do for canon items? Oh wait... :oops:
My point was, since it appears everyone is for your ...... idea; I'm just going to apply the same rule I did for bijuu challenges. Come find me in RP...
I don't think that should be a problem for anyone.
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Agreed, this all looks legal and tidy. Can we have one person post the official entirety of what we all agree upon? Essentially that any and all canon items can be challenged for.
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Agreed, this all looks legal and tidy. Can we have one person post the official entirety of what we all agree upon? Essentially that any and all canon items can be challenged for.
Would that include summoning contracts, or fighting for the right to sign one for the canon summons like Toads/Frogs, Slugs, Snakes, etc.?
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Agreed, this all looks legal and tidy. Can we have one person post the official entirety of what we all agree upon? Essentially that any and all canon items can be challenged for.
Would that include summoning contracts, or fighting for the right to sign one for the canon summons like Toads/Frogs, Slugs, Snakes, etc.?
I would say items and to sign contracts would be fine. That's just my opinion
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Agreed, this all looks legal and tidy. Can we have one person post the official entirety of what we all agree upon? Essentially that any and all canon items can be challenged for.
Would that include summoning contracts, or fighting for the right to sign one for the canon summons like Toads/Frogs, Slugs, Snakes, etc.?
I would say items and to sign contracts would be fine. That's just my opinion
Every thing but toads. Those come with the Sage Mode reborn so they cannot be challenged for.
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Well I see the way this is going..... have fun contacting me in RP (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
You mean like we have to do to challenge for a bijuu? Which is what we've been discussing being able to do for canon items? Oh wait... :oops:
No spell check?
I didn't need it since nothing is spelled wrong?
Exactly. When did you become so fluent?
Good God, my sides.
Anyways! And if they refuse?
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Well I see the way this is going..... have fun contacting me in RP (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
You mean like we have to do to challenge for a bijuu? Which is what we've been discussing being able to do for canon items? Oh wait... :oops:
No spell check?
I didn't need it since nothing is spelled wrong?
Exactly. When did you become so fluent?
Good God, my sides.
Anyways! And if they refuse?
Then you can post them refusing in a topic here for all to see and the community can know they are stripped of it.
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Also, what happens if you challenge someone to sign a contract and they refuse? I suggest your name just be automatically added to it. Also, can I challenge for the right to summon if not own the Gedo Mazo? >>
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Also, what happens if you challenge someone to sign a contract and they refuse? I suggest your name just be automatically added to it. Also, can I challenge for the right to summon if not own the Gedo Mazo? >>
Is the contract necessarily a canon item? Is it for a canon summon?
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Also, what happens if you challenge someone to sign a contract and they refuse? I suggest your name just be automatically added to it. Also, can I challenge for the right to summon if not own the Gedo Mazo? >>
Is the contract necessarily a canon item? Is it for a canon summon?
I took it to mean anyone could challenge to sign any contract.
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I assume you can die in these challenges, like bijuu fights, right?
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Also, what happens if you challenge someone to sign a contract and they refuse? I suggest your name just be automatically added to it. Also, can I challenge for the right to summon if not own the Gedo Mazo? >>
Is the contract necessarily a canon item? Is it for a canon summon?
I took it to mean anyone could challenge to sign any contract.
Wasn't the prospect of contract-signing-privileges challenges turned down?
I assume you can die in these challenges, like bijuu fights, right?
As for canon item challenges themselves, I'd say yes.
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Also, since this is a thing that happened to me, if someone has a challenger for an item, they can't just give the item away to not have to fight the person, they can give the item TO the person challenging them, but they can't just chuck it off a cliff.
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Alright, even though it seems likely no one cares because I'm sayin' it:
I personally feel that custom items should be worth challenging someone for a la the Bjuu, it's exactly as everyone's been saying. The people tend to go inactive or just hide it away like cowards.
However, custom items, just shouldn't be touched. I just don't think it's fair to take an item someone may have spent hours working on and/or fitting into the Naruto-verse, plus, we'll have that one OP character that preys on people with custom items, and grow insanely powerful.
JUTSU/ETC
Both canon and custom should not be challengeable. I had someone once beg me and then get very upset because I refused to teach him Mind's Eye of the Kagura IC.
Besides, this means that more powerful players can wail on the weaker and inexperienced ones, or the old an inactive ones to learn more powerful techniques if they can. It takes the originality out of SL. We don't need 50 people running around spamming Hiraishin or using the most powerful summon etc. etc.
Final Verdict:
It should only work that way for Bjuu and Canon Items, I can understand that it's great you guys can challenge one another. But it's the same thing as having a zone record of say, 50-2-0 and those 50 wins being against Acads.
The weak will prey on the strong and that's not fair. Bocchiere, the most OP character will end up with everything. That's not fair.
Besides, isn't this what claims were meant to be made for?
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Canon Items - Sure.
Fanon Content & (Canon) Jutsu's - Not a chance.
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Canon Items - Sure.
Fanon Content & (Canon) Jutsu's - Not a chance.
That never was going to be a thing, though I like the logic of the strongest person winning and that not being fair.
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1. Challenge for canon items such as swords or tools? Yes, I believe those should pose the risk of being "taken" by the victor of a challenge. We can already challenge people for Bijuu and actual body parts (eyes, heart, etc), so what makes inanimate objects any different?
2. Challenge for jutsu? No, that doesn't make sense since you don't magically learn jutsu from a dead sensei. Of course, you always have the option of beating someone bloody and forcing them somehow to teach the intended jutsu to you out of fear.
3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
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1. Challenge for canon items such as swords or tools? Yes, I believe those should pose the risk of being "taken" by the victor of a challenge. We can already challenge people for Bijuu and actual body parts (eyes, heart, etc), so what makes inanimate objects any different?
2. Challenge for jutsu? No, that doesn't make sense since you don't magically learn jutsu from a dead sensei. Of course, you always have the option of beating someone bloody and forcing them somehow to teach the intended jutsu to you out of fear.
3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
As I said, summoning, can I challenge for the right to summon the Mazo, like we said we are gonna do with other contracts.
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1. Challenge for canon items such as swords or tools? Yes, I believe those should pose the risk of being "taken" by the victor of a challenge. We can already challenge people for Bijuu and actual body parts (eyes, heart, etc), so what makes inanimate objects any different?
2. Challenge for jutsu? No, that doesn't make sense since you don't magically learn jutsu from a dead sensei. Of course, you always have the option of beating someone bloody and forcing them somehow to teach the intended jutsu to you out of fear.
3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
As I said, summoning, can I challenge for the right to summon the Mazo, like we said we are gonna do with other contracts.
I wouldn't say challenge per se, since that user needs to have you signing some sort of a contract then pass on the knowledge he/she knows about the Gedo Mazo onto you.
You have to engage them in RP then earn it respectively or somehow gain access to the Rinnegan and vice versa.
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1. Challenge for canon items such as swords or tools? Yes, I believe those should pose the risk of being "taken" by the victor of a challenge. We can already challenge people for Bijuu and actual body parts (eyes, heart, etc), so what makes inanimate objects any different?
2. Challenge for jutsu? No, that doesn't make sense since you don't magically learn jutsu from a dead sensei. Of course, you always have the option of beating someone bloody and forcing them somehow to teach the intended jutsu to you out of fear.
3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
As I said, summoning, can I challenge for the right to summon the Mazo, like we said we are gonna do with other contracts.
When and where was that decided upon?
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Earlier in the topic >_>
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Earlier in the topic >_>
Are you perhaps referring to this(?):
3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the agressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
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Additionally:
If you're saying I can't deny a sword challenge(which you have no say over anyway) then you can't deny anyone a challenge for jutsu. What's the difference after all? Might as well throw in that everyone can challenge for Kage positions and Summon contract holders, and even ruler of the free world.
If you want a SSM sword, join SSM and maybe I'll give you one. The End.
Because none of those things are canon items. >>;
Argument being that because they (contracts) aren't canon items, they cannot be challenged for.
Just saving face here.
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Just a reminder, that the summoning contract/signing challenge thing is only for canon summons. We also have to remember that in a situation in which the contract holder is killed, then the challenger wins nothing. Just like how biju matches are dealt with if the jinchuriki is killed.
And let's not forget that people are limited to summoning a single certain type of animal/species summon by default. Special personalized things/tools like the Mazo, Animal Path summons, Rashomon, and the Nidaime Mizukage's giant clam are different.
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It's literally a page ago Yumei >> and why would the Clam be different? It's an animal. This is getting silly. People have already told me in the Edo Tensei topic that we are making rules that don't have to make sense in Naruto. In that case I really don't think the strongest thing you could possibly summon should be exempt from a challenge.
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It's literally a page ago Yumei >>
An opinion was made, however there was no decision ruled;
Agreed, this all looks legal and tidy. Can we have one person post the official entirety of what we all agree upon? Essentially that any and all canon items can be challenged for.
Would that include summoning contracts, or fighting for the right to sign one for the canon summons like Toads/Frogs, Slugs, Snakes, etc.?
I would say items and to sign contracts would be fine. That's just my opinion
Edit: Although, does that sit well with everybody else (regarding canon summoning rights)?
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I don't see why not. I think Bocc has already took the initiative and begun taking/requesting challenges for items as we speak...
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I believe challenging for Canon items is a yes, too many people are inactive that hold them now.
As for Canon summons, there has been proven to be a contract for people to sign (as shown with Naruto). BUT, it was the summons that ultimately decided if they would fight for the contract signer. So ultimately it doesn't make any sense to be able to challenge for the rights to sign it, since the current beasts are loyal to their current signer and if that owner simply tells those summons not to follow the new signer then they would probably listen right?
In the case of special summons like the Mazo, that have no emotions or attachment to the summoner I still think that it should not be possible to challenge for them. The Mazo is even more complicated than a normal summon (and as Zojin stated it is classified as a personal summon as only one person is shown to be able to summon it at a time since it is just a single summon). I would say that Mazo could be challenged for if it had a Bijuu in it to keep it's summoner from abusing a potential loophole in the rule. As well as the knowledge and ability to summon the Mazo was passed down (from Madara to Tobi), so if the current owner is killed off how would the next person gain access to it?
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And for that matter, are we going to allow the Gedo Mazo to hold Bijuu at all to potentially make the ten tails? Or does that conflict with the Bijuu rule of modifying the current beasts?
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I'm pretty sure we are done discussing items, so yeah, I made sure to jump some. We've explained before how it's up to the summons, so no, another summoner can't just tell them not to let them sign. The Mazo should be able to be challenged for because it's the Mazo, it's as strong as a bijuu
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I'm pretty sure we are done discussing items, so yeah, I made sure to jump some. We've explained before how it's up to the summons, so no, another summoner can't just tell them not to let them sign. The Mazo should be able to be challenged for because it's the Mazo, it's as strong as a bijuu
But we're deciding on the sense it makes not based on how powerful it is.
The Rinnegan is extremely powerful as well, and we are not discussing challenging for that.
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It makes sense to be able to challenge for the Mazo. In the Edo Tensei rules people were telling me that it doesn't matter that it wouldn't make sense to ban implanting eyes, we are making our own rules and they do not have to make sense canon wise. Now in this topic I am being told you should not be able to challenge for the Mazo because it does not make sense canon wise. This is only a perfect example of being really hypocritical. I'm not arguing that it should be challenged for because it is strong, it is because it is a strong item, it is the body of the 10 tails. Also, we should be able to make the 10 tails, as the rule against it was only because we did not know how to do it.
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I'm not arguing that it should be challenged for because it is strong, it is because it is a strong item.
I'm confused at what you are trying to say here, could you please elaborate? It seems you have contradicted yourself, but it is more likely that you just didn't explain it very well.
And as for the Canon-sense, that's not what I'm claiming is the problem with it. What I'm saying is that in the SL world who else knows how to summon the Mazo? It is a special/unique type of summon that required special care, a select few abilities required to acquire it, and probably a special way of summoning it. Even if you outright met the physical requirements to control it, that doesn't mean you would know how to summon it. That line of logic is persistent in both the Manga AND SL.
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Say, here's an idea. How about we challenge for the title of Shinobi Legend? The winner can be an immortal edo tensei that can't be sealed and has all of the bloodlines and items to ever exist.
Y'know, ages ago, back when SL was active and always had at least 60-70 people on at a given time, people didn't care about having the best of the best or hell, even the Sharingan.
In fact, a good number of people did what I like to call, being creative, and created their own bloodlines and balanced out their own jutsus and techniques accordingly. The bijuu weren't claimed, canon items didn't exist on a grand scale like they do now, and everything was just peachy.
And then someone decided having bijuu would be a good idea. And look at how things are now.
I've watched five academy students join and quit SL in the two weeks I've been back, strictly because of the state of the roleplay as it is now. Iwagakure doesn't exist, it's Bocchieregakure because it consists of nothing but Bocchiere and his alts. Constant threats of 'You have this item? I'm gunning for you then' are being made, and rather the fact they are inactive and thus, hoarding said item so taking it away from them with Bijuu-esk rules makes sense or not, it also doesn't.
Can someone show me someone who cares? Someone, that can honestly say that this is a good idea, where hey, you could be roleplaying, but no, you have this item, I'm challenging you for it, too eff-ing bad exists? I don't want to seem aggressive or anything, but this is just excessive. For the past two days that these rules have been placed, I've seen two challenges immediately made by Bocchiere for Mioku's sword, and Shima's Kabutowari, two swords capable of sealing anything and breaking any defense respectively.
And now talk of challenging for the Mazo is showing up.
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I'm not arguing that it should be challenged for because it is strong, it is because it is a strong item.
I'm confused at what you are trying to say here, could you please elaborate? It seems you have contradicted yourself, but it is more likely that you just didn't explain it very well.
And as for the Canon-sense, that's not what I'm claiming is the problem with it. What I'm saying is that in the SL world who else knows how to summon the Mazo? It is a special/unique type of summon that required special care, a select few abilities required to acquire it, and probably a special way of summoning it. Even if you outright met the physical requirements to control it, that doesn't mean you would know how to summon it. That line of logic is persistent in both the Manga AND SL.
You said we aren't making rules for strong things like Rinnegan, well the Mazo is an item for all I am concerned and it is one of if not the strongest. So it is silly to make sure that such items cannot be hoarded and make the Mazo an exception. All we know about summoning it is that Madara got the Rinnegan and then was like "I summoned it." it isn't explained and it doesn't make sense, I wager it has something to do with the Rinnegan, therefor anyone obtaining a legal 6 Path eye would be capable of summoning the Mazo. Since Mushashi made it so no one can summon it but him with a fuinjutsu one would challenge him for the Mazo and if they won they would get it but would have to rp removing the seal to operate it, if they don't have a 6 Path eye they could still challenge for it but it would just be sitting there, lifeless, if they won.
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So, like Bocc', do you have to have every single canon item? Why can't you make up your own stuff?
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I'm not arguing that it should be challenged for because it is strong, it is because it is a strong item.
I'm confused at what you are trying to say here, could you please elaborate? It seems you have contradicted yourself, but it is more likely that you just didn't explain it very well.
And as for the Canon-sense, that's not what I'm claiming is the problem with it. What I'm saying is that in the SL world who else knows how to summon the Mazo? It is a special/unique type of summon that required special care, a select few abilities required to acquire it, and probably a special way of summoning it. Even if you outright met the physical requirements to control it, that doesn't mean you would know how to summon it. That line of logic is persistent in both the Manga AND SL.
You said we aren't making rules for strong things like Rinnegan, well the Mazo is an item for all I am concerned and it is one of if not the strongest. So it is silly to make sure that such items cannot be hoarded and make the Mazo an exception. All we know about summoning it is that Madara got the Rinnegan and then was like "I summoned it." it isn't explained and it doesn't make sense, I wager it has something to do with the Rinnegan, therefor anyone obtaining a legal 6 Path eye would be capable of summoning the Mazo. Since Mushashi made it so no one can summon it but him with a fuinjutsu one would challenge him for the Mazo and if they won they would get it but would have to rp removing the seal to operate it, if they don't have a 6 Path eye they could still challenge for it but it would just be sitting there, lifeless, if they won.
If the Mazo is an item, how are any of the summons NOT an item? Just because of it's canon purpose of holding the 10 tails? It's still a summon that can be used in other ways without the intent of becoming the 10 tails.
And yes, the technique for summoning the Gedo Mazo isn't very well known yet, so your solution is to keep the vague explanation of 'Rinnegan+???=Gedo Mazo!' rather than a set of pretty basic rules set up by the current summoner?
Also how are we even sure he's holding onto it to keep it hoarded away? In my opinion the darn thing shouldn't even EXIST on SL because there's almost no fair way to use it and has the major potential for abuse. An incomplete Gedo Mazo (missing the 8 and 9 tails) was shown completely decimating cities from miles away with no effort at all, what purpose does that serve other than for Manga related terror plot? That much one sided power wouldn't stimulate any RP, it would hurt it.
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I don't see why not. I think Bocc has already took the initiative and begun taking/requesting challenges for items as we speak...
His own fault.
Nothing within this topic isn't even set in stone yet.
Doesn't surprise me since I take challenges for Shibuki regardless of them belonging to Kirigakure or not and this was even before this was even brought up in the forums.
3. Challenge for the Mazo? This argument can go either way since there's evidence for both sides. I personally say no to this though, since the Mazo is classified as a personal summon. Even if the aggressor manages to steal a contract scroll from the former owner, it doesn't mean that the summoning species will agree to serve. A pact between a summoner and the summoned is created from a mutual agreement. This is why Naruto had to prove himself to the Toads and request to be taken under their wing. He couldn't start out with their full obedience.
I was also pointing out that I happen to agree with Zojin about the Mazo being classified as a personal summon rather then an "item" so I say no challenging for summons...it's too ridiculous at this point.
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If someone could, post a full list of suggested rulings regarding them? This way we can sort out better in a list of what to add or remove.
As for canon summons, here's a few things I've gathered up from the discussion.
-One Contract Holder per animal species. A Contract Holder is merely the one who has the ability to summon the contract itself, as well as the defender of the contract.
-Multiple Signers. Signers are able to summon from the animal species they have contracted with.
-One animal species per character. This is to keep a person from being able to summon Toads, Hawks, Snakes, Slugs, etc. As well as to keep one person from holding the contracts of all the canon species.
-One can approach the Contract Holder and ask if they may sign the contract.
-If the Contract Holder refuses, then they may be challenged for the right to sign it. The Contract Holder may also be challenged for the right to hold the contract.
-The Contract Holder must either yield and submit to their defeat, and allow the person to sign it. Or, be knocked out.
-Should the Contract Holder be killed in the challenge, the following will occur.
- The challenger will NOT be able to sign the contract.
- The contract itself will be handed to another signer. (How this is determined is up to the consensus of the other signers.)
Give me your opinions on this guys. Add/edit/remove rules as needed to express your opinions.
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From what I saw we have all stopped talking about the item challenges (except Reimu) and have like 80% of the kages agreeing to it, shoot me. Iwagakure has never existed to begin with Reimu, and I leave it open to anyone who wants to go there, which is in fact NOT just my alts, only mostly. You're argument makes it sound like everyone is going to be under threat of death all the time because of this, when that isn't true. I don't here anyone complaining that jinchuriki have to keep fighting all these people and it is really cramping their style.
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It's not, Bocc?
I'm just going to leave with the note that you bragged about all the people you were going to kill in MH and let SL continue degrading itself with rules and boundaries that are always manipulated into your favor.
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If someone could, post a full list of suggested rulings regarding them? This way we can sort out better in a list of what to add or remove.
As for canon summons, here's a few things I've gathered up from the discussion.
-One Contract Holder per animal species. A Contract Holder is merely the one who has the ability to summon the contract itself, as well as the defender of the contract.
-Multiple Signers. Signers are able to summon from the animal species they have contracted with.
-One animal species per character. This is to keep a person from being able to summon Toads, Hawks, Snakes, Slugs, etc. As well as to keep one person from holding the contracts of all the canon species.
-One can approach the Contract Holder and ask if they may sign the contract.
-If the Contract Holder refuses, then they may be challenged for the right to sign it. The Contract Holder may also be challenged for the right to hold the contract.
-The Contract Holder must either yield and submit to their defeat, and allow the person to sign it. Or, be knocked out.
-Should the Contract Holder be killed in the challenge, the following will occur.
- The challenger will NOT be able to sign the contract.
- The contract itself will be handed to another signer. (How this is determined is up to the consensus of the other signers.)
Give me your opinions on this guys. Add/edit/remove rules as needed to express your opinions.
I like this, I really do. Considering there are stingy people out there who don't want to share their precious canon summons just because they're, well, stingy.
But, what if the holder is killed -- contract is gone forever? When can someone else claim it? Why can't the victor claim it? Who will claim it in response?
I am not fighting Bocc for anything or EVER going to rp with him knowingly.
That was... rather unneeded.
That being said...
The SSM has a specific set of guidelines and you can all makes rules up about that until you are blue in the face.
Until that governing body decides things will be different, then this is a waste of time as far as I am concerned.
Weren't you always one to promote the majority of people's belief into the concept of what's already established? The "governing body" can make ludicrous rules that only benefit them, and if no one else likes it: sucks for those not in the "body."
Considering I made the bijuu rules, I can change them (since it was my guidelines) to state "No one not from Kumo can have a bijuu unless they visit it in person, because that's RP. Also, only if Raifudo approves." Then, since I like zenny-kins, and he's a QT3.14, I'd ask him for approval since he has all of them stuffed under his mattress.
That's in the spirit of things, no?
And summoning contract?
You can take that challenge for the contract thing and stick it too.
How about for this one? Considering some people are stingy with some contracts because it was something they beat everyone to the punch first, there'd be no way of ever taking part in said summon -- even if you rp that summon choosing you.
Rather than being vulgar, you can put your input as to why we can't challenge to sign the contract.
I am not bowing down to a change in RP that I have been going by for ages because you decide that all of a sudden it is going to be different while I am not looking.
And that's a problem. You don't want something to change, so you refuse to ever acknowledge it -- you're bashing Bocc for the same thing. Stay a while and give your input. We're not doing this while you're not looking, we're asking in a public forum before any thing is set in stone so all can put their input.
Rant on about me and what i have said all you like.
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Say, here's an idea. How about we challenge for the title of Shinobi Legend? The winner can be an immortal edo tensei that can't be sealed and has all of the bloodlines and items to ever exist.
Y'know, ages ago, back when SL was active and always had at least 60-70 people on at a given time, people didn't care about having the best of the best or hell, even the Sharingan.
In fact, a good number of people did what I like to call, being creative, and created their own bloodlines and balanced out their own jutsus and techniques accordingly. The bijuu weren't claimed, canon items didn't exist on a grand scale like they do now, and everything was just peachy.
And then someone decided having bijuu would be a good idea. And look at how things are now.
I've watched five academy students join and quit SL in the two weeks I've been back, strictly because of the state of the roleplay as it is now. Iwagakure doesn't exist, it's Bocchieregakure because it consists of nothing but Bocchiere and his alts. Constant threats of 'You have this item? I'm gunning for you then' are being made, and rather the fact they are inactive and thus, hoarding said item so taking it away from them with Bijuu-esk rules makes sense or not, it also doesn't.
Can someone show me someone who cares? Someone, that can honestly say that this is a good idea, where hey, you could be roleplaying, but no, you have this item, I'm challenging you for it, too eff-ing bad exists? I don't want to seem aggressive or anything, but this is just excessive. For the past two days that these rules have been placed, I've seen two challenges immediately made by Bocchiere for Mioku's sword, and Shima's Kabutowari, two swords capable of sealing anything and breaking any defense respectively.
And now talk of challenging for the Mazo is showing up.
*Claps* Like I said on another thread all these rule making stuff is turning SL into nothing more then a forum like RP Site, which failed horribly before I do believe. The thing that once separated SL from other site was the freedom you had (I don't mean to god-mod or anything like that). There was a time when SL wasn't just villages and rp, it was for people who liked more serious rp and did so in clans and zones, for people who liked to rp simple things like talking and water balloon fights on the Konoha thread where anyone could come or go as they wished and you didn't have to show such order or hostility to each other if you had a problem take it to the zones that is what they where created for after all, a place for those who enjoyed raising accounts and leveling, a place for people who just liked to get on and talk to each other like regular people and play around. These where things that made SL great. I rped at tons of Naruto based sites but SL is the only one I ever stayed at cause of those reasons... it was more the rp it was a place to create friends where you could be yourself not some character you created.
Who is to blame for the way things turned at SL none other then my own generation of players, back when I joined SL and was a member of L.nin under the leadership of Shinomaru the site was much more enjoyable. The thing that ruined the old ways of SL was this ideal of Official RP dealing with Villages.... It was better when people where more focused on clan ratings then village ratings. Plus the wars back then were so much more complex then what we have today, oh what people gather for a little brawl and the next day everyone is just meh. Back then you had to actually use strategy, from spies, to pvp , to zone fights, there was no IN character OOC bs so it made it harder to know who to trust and who to not, infiltrating a clan to work months at a time to rise in ranks high enough to delete all the members of the clan... that was a fun site to be apart of.
I am not saying that SL is not an enjoyable, good site; I am just saying that perhaps we should start turning back to the basics I believe this site were founded on. When you turn your back on the ideas you were founded on then you fall and like it was stated above less and less people join SL... more and more leave.
Perhaps, it is not my place to even say this and I am overstepping my boundaries. I am not a very important figure at SL (that is the way I have always wanted to be, I never wanted to be a 'big wig'; I have been made admin and mods at countless site... I have even been considered a master rper but I have always striven to be a underdog & moron and on those terms me pointing out my view may be overlooked or frowned upon by some). Anyways, this is off topic and I apologize about that (you can all curse and scold me if you wish) but I feel that I needed to say this because somewhere we must draw the line of these new rules and in my opinion forcing someone to fight for them to be able to decide who signs the contract the hold is down right pitiful, that is the beauty of holding the contract you get to have it for yourself and pass it on to your decedent/student when the time comes. And as far as items go those usually hold sentimental value to there holder therefor why should they be forced to risk their character's life for an item that they have obtained over their time at SL?
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This discussion is not about taking things away. It's actually more about giving people a chance to obtain already-claimed canon items and summons. If someone wants to pursue building their dream character, but can't due to already-claimed and locked canon material, then it wouldn't be any fun. Yeah, you can go and tell them to make something original/custom. Some will, but not everyone. I for one am about 65%, give or take, made of original/custom stuff.
I like this, I really do. Considering there are stingy people out there who don't want to share their precious canon summons just because they're, well, stingy.
But, what if the holder is killed -- contract is gone forever? When can someone else claim it? Why can't the victor claim it? Who will claim it in response?
This. This is exactly the situation that happened with Kamui's death. He was the only known contract holder and signer of the Slugs. With his death, they are forever locked.
And as I said before, people are welcome to voice their opinions on the forum regarding these issues. But if some of these things fall through and are decided upon, then they have no one to blame but themselves, for not speaking up.
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this is not a governing body.
Sorry if I made it seem like I called this - this coalition of people - a governing body. No, I was using myself as reference to a "body" as you have of whoever made the rules of the SSM swords.
There are tons of signers on the summons contract I hold
I wouldn't know. I haven't seen a list about; I meant in regards to the general population -- I wasn't poking at you.
and the SSM swords are governed by themselves, not this ...collective of commentators in a thread.
As I said, I didn't say this group of people was a governing body. Just people talking about change and whether the idea of it is good or not.
You people are trying to govern way too many things and basically are trying to shove rules down over a people who far outnumber your elite's groups way of thinking.
I don't get what you mean. You mean ratio of person:person? If that's the case, then, yes -- technically. But why are we "elite?" Because we go to the forums to discuss things while they don't? Doesn't that make us people who care? 'Cause, you're here -- so, you're on the boat with us.
I suggest you abandon this idea of regulating other people's summons and the object of an organization you are not part of.
But, why? As far as regulating goes, we're just trying to give, as Kage said, people a chance to expand their character as they wish. The worst we're asking for is the ability for someone to prove themselves worthy of handling a contract signing -- in regards to the contracts. As far as the swords, well, the organization itself has already seen better days. If it wasn't for Zenaku having bargained the Hiramekarei, I'd still have had it in Kumo. We already saw what it would be like if something outside of Kiri held it. We have bijuu as examples of how the swords would be played for.
This discussion is not about taking things away. It's actually more about giving people a chance to obtain already-claimed canon items and summons. If someone wants to pursue building their dream character, but can't due to already-claimed and locked canon material, then it wouldn't be any fun. Yeah, you can go and tell them to make something original/custom. Some will, but not everyone. I for one am about 65%, give or take, made of original/custom stuff.
I like this, I really do. Considering there are stingy people out there who don't want to share their precious canon summons just because they're, well, stingy.
But, what if the holder is killed -- contract is gone forever? When can someone else claim it? Why can't the victor claim it? Who will claim it in response?
This. This is exactly the situation that happened with Kamui's death. He was the only known contract holder and signer of the Slugs. With his death, they are forever locked.
And as I said before, people are welcome to voice their opinions on the forum regarding these issues. But if some of these things fall through and are decided upon, then they have no one to blame but themselves, for not speaking up.
Well, it should be open to say that it's free game now to claim it -- considering it's a known-unknown situation where Kamui was the only name we could tell was on it, others should be able to claim it too.
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Heh... y'know what the best part of all this is?
At a time, the forums itself, was used for fun. I remember even leading a small game, where you arrive and post a single message, simple in itself, where you told how your day was, and based on the time you posted, based on hour, minute and second of the day, you added a randomized statement and commented on it while you talked with others. It was simple, perhaps childish, but I think that is what alot of us loved as children. It's something that drew us to games and manga alike. That child-like joy and wonder at what the next day would bring or what the next thing you read would be kept us going and what the next game would hold kept us buying. We never had a need for... This.
This, where people have lost their since of child-like innocence in exchange for a ironfisted rule of about twelve people on a forums deciding how things work where, what smells like what and whose color is red or blue. I ponder when the last time someone, anyone on this forum asked another how their day was. I wonder who takes time, escaping from the harsh reality that the roleplays become, to act childish or chat in the gardens, as they no longer can freely within the villages themselves without getting a slap on the wrist from their kages for being out of line.
All things change. It's a reality that SL, just as everything else, has to endure. But there is a difference between changing from the better and from the worse. With rules on bijuu, rules on canon items, and now a discussion on rules of summon contracts, I wonder when the rules of kage would come into question. When will a provoking statement, most likely from Bocchiere, since he so lovingly calls me out on everything I say that I may as well pick on him now, force the question on if someone could challenge another for the seat of Kage of a village.
This is exactly what happens, in some D&D games. Where the powergaming elitist is so consumed with themselves that they've forgotten what fun is. They've forgotten, that what their definition of fun isn't the same as everyone elses. Raifudo, you consider this something of a democracy, yes? Where every vote counts, right? Are you certain this isn't just an anarchy? The new player, the younger players that still have the time to come in, and go straight to the gardens all-too aware of the hostilities of Iwagakure, Otogakure, Kumogakure and so forth, where do their votes come into play? Perhaps it's simple to exclude them from this system because they are, for lack of better words, not involved in the seriousness of zoning and war, But don't you feel somewhere, you haven't given them a choice? Where else can they go but the garden, to be able to simply chat with each other without the local ANBU, Jounin, or even the kage of the village taking what they do in their village to heart and excommunicating them and 'voiding' them madly?
It shouldn't be like this. It shouldn't be you're either serious or you're not. Hell it shouldn't be you're either with Bocchiere or against him, but that's how he's decided things are to be. Perhaps Neji won't ban Bocchiere, despite the criminalizing evidence stacked against him, and maybe that doesn't even matter to those that picked Bocchiere's side in what may as well be the biggest zoning fight in Shinobi Legend history; the OOC battle against Bocchiere. But I know no one else seems to have the heart to speak up about this.
Forsake these rules, for once. Come up with something else if you -really- need something to cover this. Make there be a rule where you must use at least once item in a given zone. Make there be a time limit where you have to zone with said item once or twice a month. Hell. REMOVE the items, save the Seven Swords, from the RP itself! I'm sure Mioku won't mind losing his sword if he, as Bocchiere claims, doesn't use it anyway! I'd even remove the swords if they were so crucial to Kirigakure as a village, unlike almost every other canon item that isn't branded a village specific thing!
And while you're at it, try to make this roleplay fun, not a dick size contest.
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It is egotistical and high handed to say that those who do not come to the forum and do not speak their minds will just have to deal with the rules you that are made here.
Many people do nRot come here because they abhor the behavior of those that do and will not associate with those of base behavior.
Many do not come here to post their ideas because they feel they will not be listened too but shouted down and trolled away.
These are things that people have said to me that I have discussed issues with in reply to my suggestion that they come here and voice their own words.
Now...just because they refuse to open themselves up for public ridicule does not mean that they should be denied their basic RP right.
I have talked against excessive rule making in the past and will continue to do so. Even when it earns myself as being the focus for your scorn and ridicule because SOMEONE has to stand up and speak out.
Not sure how that's egotistical, really. I'm not saying people who come here are better or anything. Needless to say, I don't see you going around in-game and proposing discussions for change of things that might just need it - or at the very least asking people if they prefer some things over others or not.
Represent them and their ideas, then. Quote them and whatnot.
Well, what IS a basic RP right? I'd appreciate if you can lay those out on behalf of the community so we can try to leave those be as best we can during our conversations.
What's with the strong words? Scorn and ridicule. You're acting like everyone's attacking you. You also speak as if you're the only one speaking out. Everyone here is conversing calmly and directing their attention to what people say. Ease, please. No need for the wall of defense.
Raifudo, you consider this something of a democracy, yes? Where every vote counts, right? Are you certain this isn't just an anarchy? The new player, the younger players that still have the time to come in, and go straight to the gardens all-too aware of the hostilities of Iwagakure, Otogakure, Kumogakure and so forth, where do their votes come into play? Perhaps it's simple to exclude them from this system because they are, for lack of better words, not involved in the seriousness of zoning and war, But don't you feel somewhere, you haven't given them a choice? Where else can they go but the garden, to be able to simply chat with each other without the local ANBU, Jounin, or even the kage of the village taking what they do in their village to heart and excommunicating them and 'voiding' them madly?
A democracy? For the most part, sure. People voice their opinions, based on the opinions, we construct, and we then progress to choosing what the majority of those who show attention for this want.
Do you understand the concept of an anarchy? Essentially free-for-all. An anarchy is the exact opposite of regulations and any sort of structure.
Gardens, zones, MHQ, shades, villages.
Note how no one pays mind to try and explain something to anyone not participating in any thing that involves something of claim; in other words, two random genin fighting in the zones -- you honestly expect someone to go in and start telling them you can and can't do that if it's just a random fight they wanted to make? I'd imagine that it has happened, and probably does happen, but watch who the people are who try to regulate it.
Notice how the topic of these forum threads are not in regards to the new and fresh people of SL. They're in regards to things that have changed over time and become a sort of tradition; claims, fights, role-play that is taken more seriously because it reflects something of the participants.
No one's making threads complaining about low-level accounts going about and being out of control with how imaginative and wild their claims are. We have set a line where they have their own story, and we have our own. The moment they decide to walk over the line and interact with the story we are making for ourselves, then they must respect the ways those in the story are progressing. Else, they can freely choose to go to back and construct their own story.
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The ways the story is progressing...
Do you call... you have this weapon, I challenge you for it... do you call this 'story'?...
... Indeed. I see why SL can't get more than fifty players online anymore. I see why a week can go by and a village gets rarely a post.
Congratulations. SL is yours. Let your rules and regulations, what you believe to be right, spiral this into destruction.
None will be the voice of the voiceless, for those who have yet to come. This site was never made to be a roleplay site, Raifudo. It was meant for fun.
You, and everyone who continues to broadcast repetition, constricting, branding rules burn down the fun that a new player, and old player, can have. But I suppose that does not matter.
No one cares for the time where you didn't need KG, to have a KG. Nor does anyone care for the time where SL had a soul.
Where it wasn't a machine like it is today, run by the people who believe what they think is right, is the absolute right.
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The ways the story is progressing...
Do you call... you have this weapon, I challenge you for it... do you call this 'story'?...
... Indeed. I see why SL can't get more than fifty players online anymore. I see why a week can go by and a village gets rarely a post.
Congratulations. SL is yours. Let your rules and regulations, what you believe to be right, spiral this into destruction.
None will be the voice of the voiceless, for those who have yet to come. This site was never made to be a roleplay site, Raifudo. It was meant for fun.
You, and everyone who continues to broadcast repetition, constricting, branding rules burn down the fun that a new player, and old player, can have. But I suppose that does not matter.
No one cares for the time where you didn't need KG, to have a KG. Nor does anyone care for the time where SL had a soul.
Where it wasn't a machine like it is today, run by the people who believe what they think is right, is the absolute right.
I want land. Let me buy it from you.
No.
Fine, I'll fight you for it.
*War*
Now your land is mine. Should have sold it to me.
Story.
Plot. Setting. Characters. I do call it story. I call it a piece of history as well. A recollection on how you take it upon yourself to invest your time with the gimmicks you've picked up along the way to better yourself by overcoming an obstacle to obtain a goal or treasure you want.
You can see it? Really? Can it be the fact that there are invisible regulations that aren't enforced unless you go into the side that is more serious towards the role-play that scare people? 'Cause, y'know, they wouldn't be affected by them unless they knew of them. A new academy student wouldn't come into sl and automatically understand the concept of bijuu fights. How then would the fact there's rules about them affect them?
It could be the fact that this game, without any reborns, etc. is very hard and demanding? Very stressful to level. Times also change. You act as if "Naruto" is still as basic as it once was-- when there was so much room for improvement and ideas. No. It's coming to a close. It's establishing what's top-dog of the series and what isn't. It could also be that many people nowadays aren't too keen on online RPGs that are text-based.
Go ahead. Look at the demographics of it all. Times change and people like hands-on, graphics-based games. Console, MMO, mobile phone, et cetera. They don't invest their time looking for free text-based RPG. Even then, look at the diminishing popularity of naruto that we've been exposed to on this site alone based on what the manga is showing us.
No one "cares" about those times because they have long gone. Tell me, do you think the average American thinks back at the time where all we did was go to school, help around the house, be real tight-knit with the family, and then sit down with everyone, say grace and eat dinner? No. Why? Because things have changed. Because we're much too accustomed to having what we have now to even think about what we had before; a much simpler life.
Of course, I say American because I can't speak on behalf of any other country.
you do not see me doing this or that? SO are you the all seeing eye then?
i speak with impassioned words and do not need you to tell me to calm or go easy. My behavior or manner of expression is not under your dominion any more than how i would rp.
The low lever accounts you speak of and crossing of lines...
well I just have to look at the arrogance of such words and shake my head at you Raifudo as I walk away.
I will continue to carry on as I have always done and thank the gods above and below that I shall not be permitted to enter into such RPs as you do speak of.
*gets on her camel Snark and disappears out into the Sands of Anarchy.*
All-seeing eye? Not so much. But if you did invest time doing so, I would have seen it. Anyone would have.
Dominion of your emotions? Please. Like anyone could tame your emotions; you have trouble yourself. I asked kindly to lower your defenses and merely converse with us rather than shouting accusations, claiming to leave, and then coming back with a vengeance.
Arrogance, an overbearing pride. Proposing there are two spectrum of RP, a casual one and a more serious one, is apparently arrogant. I wonder what exists beyond the title of "arrogant" in regards to your attitude of always attempting to label an antagonizing adjective to someone without so much as a reason but your own thoughts.
And you may continue on as you wish. No one is telling you you can't continue the RP you do in your own story -- away from the other's.
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Heh...
What the machine says is right, is absolute right. Perhaps it is aggressive to say it and if it is, I apologize. But I fully believe you are the reason that SL has destroyed itself Raifudo. I completely, and utterly believe, that the rules of KG, and the rules of your Bijuu, are what led to SL being what it is.
My opinion does not hold sway and I know it doesn't. I'm one word and the likes of Bocchiere, Kage and such will take the side that leads to them continuing the powergame as planned. I don't blame them because it's natural human desire to get a stronger character. Everyone does. But I believe Uetto is the only person I've seen, actively, that followed the path that was spirited.
Maybe I'm just out of touch with the way things are meant to be, as you say Raifudo. That I am just a silly idealist who lives in the past where things were... 'simple'. If I am, then I choose to be and remain that idealist, and I will not conform to the heartless tyranny that is what SL has become in the villages.
This roleplay holds no spirit for me to want to continue.
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Wow...
i will never be too old or progress to the point where I do not think about the days when i sat down to the dinner table with my parents and my brother's and sisters. I will never be so far removed from the important things in this world as to EVER forsake them.
And now that I have children of my own we sit down to our own table and pray to god before we eat and commune with each other and laugh and enjoy our meal. And when the holidays come all 30+ of us do the same.
To say that one progresses beyond such things...
that is not progress. That is anarchy. One does not outgrow what is right and good. You can only turn your back upon it.
*gets on her camel Snark and disappears out into the Sands of Anarchy.*
It's sad how misunderstood the definition of "anarchy" is nowadays. "Making so many rules is anarchy!" Right. Just how constantly breathing is equivalent to someone's attempt at suicide.
"Right and good" are subjective, by the way.
Heh...
What the machine says is right, is absolute right. Perhaps it is aggressive to say it and if it is, I apologize. But I fully believe you are the reason that SL has destroyed itself Raifudo. I completely, and utterly believe, that the rules of KG, and the rules of your Bijuu, are what led to SL being what it is.
My opinion does not hold sway and I know it doesn't. I'm one word and the likes of Bocchiere, Kage and such will take the side that leads to them continuing the powergame as planned. I don't blame them because it's natural human desire to get a stronger character. Everyone does. But I believe Uetto is the only person I've seen, actively, that followed the path that was spirited.
Maybe I'm just out of touch with the way things are meant to be, as you say Raifudo. That I am just a silly idealist who lives in the past where things were... 'simple'. If I am, then I choose to be and remain that idealist, and I will not conform to the heartless tyranny that is what SL has become in the villages.
This roleplay holds no spirit for me to want to continue.
So, it's not the fact that KG were implemented into the game or that bijuu became a thing to be challenged for, but because I decided I'd invest time to help out those having trouble without always needing to be there. Makes sense. Though as you defend the past, I defend the present. Somehow, I'm the villain for defending the things that have become the tradition of today's times. Silly idealist, believing your ideals are pure, but the ideals of another are corrupt.
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The machine's right is absolute right, Raifudo.
I will speak no more and let you do as you wish.
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The machine's right is absolute right, Raifudo.
I will speak no more and let you do as you wish.
(http://allthingsd.com/files/2012/05/cute-puppy-pictures-okay-lady-love-you-buh-bye.jpeg)
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Well that was pointless, so, items are go, how bout summoning contracts?
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I can see fighting for rights to sign a contract, but not for possession of the contract.
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I can see fighting for rights to sign a contract, but not for possession of the contract.
That was what we're getting at, any contract now, or just animals present in the series?
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I also like how Kayenta is so against rule making but will curb stomp anyone who uses snakes without her permission.
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Now, now. Leave Kay be. Don't start things again, Bocc.
I'm thinking canon. A custom summon is indeed just that: custom. A canon claim is whoever gets to the claim first or is preferred among those who claim it.
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Now, now. Leave Kay be. Don't start things again, Bocc.
I'm thinking canon. A custom summon is indeed just that: custom. A canon claim is whoever gets to the claim first or is preferred among those who claim it.
I just don't see the point of claiming contracts at all. If you have dogs or whatever, and someone else has dogs, they cannot summon your custom dogs, only their own, you lose nothing from someone else having it. Also, here is the list of people with a claim to a canon object on the wiki.
#1 Tsuyo
#2 Solo
#3 Rakudo
#4 Bocchiere
#5 Kayenta
#6 Mioku
#7 Enishi
#8 Athos
#9 Chika
#10 Seiya
#11 Seno
#12 Mikoto
#13 Kirk
#14 Inokichi
#15 Naruto
#16 Megumi
#17 Yumei
#18 Curse
Several of these people have random objects like Seno, Megumi, and Chika, that no one is gonna really want, so I'm subtracting them, Athos is dead in rp. So we have like 12 people who are going to be effected by challenging for canon items. That's what's going to ruin rp? Really? We can even make it a rule for contracts that no one dies. So we have just over 10 people who hold a canon object and might die because of it. Game breaking for sure.
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#19 Aoi (who I can't recall ever once seeing)
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Will be taking Athos's challenges. Though the sword itself with technically remain on zombie Athos's person and not my character.
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Yeah, so challenging somebody for a weapon or contract is, well, stupid in my opinion. Make it like the Bijuu where the Jinchuriki control what happens. So, for example, say I have the Kusunagi blade and Bocc' wants it and he PMs me offering me an OOC challenge that will become IC after it ends. If I refuse this challenge then he automatically gets it. That is, as I said stupid. Now, here is another scenario: The same thing happens but this time I tell Bocc' to come find me. He agrees and finds me in Kumo because I'm visiting and, for this scenario's sake, he's not a missing-nin. Any who, he finds me and tells me that he knows that I possess the blade. I could agree and give him the blade because I don't want it or I can disagree and we can fight.
Doesn't that make more sense? It happens in RP and not OOC and it forces Bocc' to figure out in RP that I have the blade which is something Orochimaru couldn't do because Itachi never Totsuka blade. As for people hoarding items I propose this idea: if they RP regularly then they can not be stripped of the item. However, if they do like Mioku and do not RP for, say, twenty days then the sword is returned to the village and, if they're a missing-nin then their former village. The same applies for summoning contracts. Thoughts?
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I say simply throw an inactivity-limit to canon item-holders, say a fortnight-long or so. They should need to make at least one post in public (so, a village's commentary area) at least once per fortnight, and be obligated to respond to any challenges made in-character, although fleeing's always an option. Less broken RP, far less metagaming.
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I hold the Primate Summoning Contract, same as Sarutobi-Enma'The Monkey King'. I don't mind others signing it, but to promote roleplay, I have always planned on fighting to see if the requested is good enough and will actually roleplay.
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Nathan that would defeat the point of the rule entirely. The point is they would have to fight to keep the item. I have Hiraishin, do you really think anyone would be able to track me down IC? I would never have to do any challenges. Nothing would be changed we would just be forcing people to rp "I'm hiding in the mountains/bowels of the earth, etc"
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Plenty would be done. Inactive people obviously wouldn't RP and be stripped of their weapon. Also, if the people are like you and use their items in every battle, then yes they would be easy to track down like you are. You used Hiraishin in the village that created it and you think we don't know what it was? Lol. Seriously, though, you just want it to be where you can PM somebody and then fight them and that's just plain stupid. My way promotes RP and makes you do more than PM somebody and take their weapon if you refuse to fight them.
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Yeah, so challenging somebody for a weapon or contract is, well, stupid in my opinion. Make it like the Bijuu where the Jinchuriki control what happens. So, for example, say I have the Kusunagi blade and Bocc' wants it and he PMs me offering me an OOC challenge that will become IC after it ends. If I refuse this challenge then he automatically gets it. That is, as I said stupid. Now, here is another scenario: The same thing happens but this time I tell Bocc' to come find me. He agrees and finds me in Kumo because I'm visiting and, for this scenario's sake, he's not a missing-nin. Any who, he finds me and tells me that he knows that I possess the blade. I could agree and give him the blade because I don't want it or I can disagree and we can fight.
Doesn't that make more sense? It happens in RP and not OOC and it forces Bocc' to figure out in RP that I have the blade which is something Orochimaru couldn't do because Itachi never Totsuka blade. As for people hoarding items I propose this idea: if they RP regularly then they can not be stripped of the item. However, if they do like Mioku and do not RP for, say, twenty days then the sword is returned to the village and, if they're a missing-nin then their former village. The same applies for summoning contracts. Thoughts?
I believe this is a nice way of handling the situation. This way people aren't just forced into RPing with any and everyone that decides they want a sword/summon/whatever. There's nothing worse in a game revolving around RP than having control of your characters decisions taken away from you.
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Now, while I adore Nathan's idea of needing to find a person within RP, what's to stop a person from becoming a missing nin in RP? They could simply say they're traveling and never RP anywhere because they are never within village confines.
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Plenty would be done. Inactive people obviously wouldn't RP and be stripped of their weapon. Also, if the people are like you and use their items in every battle, then yes they would be easy to track down like you are. You used Hiraishin in the village that created it and you think we don't know what it was? Lol. Seriously, though, you just want it to be where you can PM somebody and then fight them and that's just plain stupid. My way promotes RP and makes you do more than PM somebody and take their weapon if you refuse to fight them.
It's plain stupid that you WANT to make the system be able to be abused. But ok, I find anyone whose chakra I know while traveling with Kamui so that'll let me abuse it too. There is going to be roughly 0 fights and a lot of me appearing from no where and decapitating people. Tsuyo is being logical here like me, no one is going to choose to fight someone if they have the option, that's the point of making it something you can challenge for, otherwise they will just run and hide. Being able to find someone in rp and beat them up does not require a rule change, you can do that now.
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Now, while I adore Nathan's idea of needing to find a person within RP, what's to stop a person from becoming a missing nin in RP? They could simply say they're traveling and never RP anywhere because they are never within village confines.
If not on the outskirts of a village, then they could post in the zones. If anything (and 'per chance'), other travelers may wind up intersecting them. The fact that the zones are accessible by everyone adds a certain danger element to the mix. Although, I'd say that those not within a village would need to post twice as regularly, and there'd be restrictions imposed upon just how flexible their travels may be from post to post.
For instance, once a traveler enters a zone or village outskirt, they're unable to exit from it for say, 4-5 posts, sufficient enough for a party seeking out their item to take initiative. I'd also say that Space-Time Ninjutsu and the sort can't be used to travel between areas, and instead merely to travel close to the area's boundary of one for them to make an exit, while there's still a marginal possibility of their escape, while not being completely nullified, at least monitored, so they may find themselves being pursued, and confronted in the next area.
Plenty would be done. Inactive people obviously wouldn't RP and be stripped of their weapon. Also, if the people are like you and use their items in every battle, then yes they would be easy to track down like you are. You used Hiraishin in the village that created it and you think we don't know what it was? Lol. Seriously, though, you just want it to be where you can PM somebody and then fight them and that's just plain stupid. My way promotes RP and makes you do more than PM somebody and take their weapon if you refuse to fight them.
It's plain stupid that you WANT to make the system be able to be abused. But ok, I find anyone whose chakra I know while traveling with Kamui so that'll let me abuse it too. There is going to be roughly 0 fights and a lot of me appearing from no where and decapitating people. Tsuyo is being logical here like me, no one is going to choose to fight someone if they have the option, that's the point of making it something you can challenge for, otherwise they will just run and hide. Being able to find someone in rp and beat them up does not require a rule change, you can do that now.
It's fine that people who want the items they seek want to fight their current holders for them, however, what of the holders who simply put disagree? It's too one-sided to simply call somebody out via PM to challenge a person for an item, who doesn't wish to fight anybody, and have it stripped from them due to this 'rule'. This 'rule' only really seems to profit power-hoarders, while being nothing less of a deterrent to all others. In my opinion, anyway.
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I have a feeling Bocc will use this just to kill people and make zombies instead of actually hunting subjects down... just me though.
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I have a feeling Bocc will use this just to kill people and make zombies instead of actually hunting subjects down... just me though.
So I'm going to use this to kill people and make them zombies instead of killing and mugging them? I don't see why this would be beneficial. You guys are saying we shouldn't force people to defend their canon items if they don't want to but we are saying they should be forced to make regular posts somewhere public, with the sole purpose of allowing people to jump them. I cannot really imagine anyone saying, "Yeah, I don't want to have to accept challenges for my items, on the other hand I am totally ok with having to wander around an open field for an hour every Sunday in case anyone wants to try and murder me." Both of these things are forcing people to rp but the latter is going to have way more loop holes. If they have to wander around there is nothing stopping me from teleporting in with 6 other people and just beating the snot out of everyone.
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It's plain stupid that you WANT to make the system be able to be abused.
Abused? Nah. What you want? Definitely. You want a system where if someone doesn't want to fight you then you can just claim the item. Lol, no.
But ok, I find anyone whose chakra I know while traveling with Kamui so that'll let me abuse it too.
You know none of the SSM members.
There is going to be roughly 0 fights and a lot of me appearing from no where and decapitating people.
I don't see how.
Tsuyo is being logical here like me, no one is going to choose to fight someone if they have the option, that's the point of making it something you can challenge for, otherwise they will just run and hide. Being able to find someone in rp and beat them up does not require a rule change, you can do that now.
No one will choose to fight with the rule you want implemented but you don't care because you think you can just claim the item. With this rule you have to RP finding them and if you can't then you don't get the weapon. When you find them either talk or attack. I don't see why you are complaining when they HAVE TO RP or they're stripped of the weapon so no one can hide.
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Why not have it be up to the holders on how they'd like to handle things? Both are good ideas in their own respects because both make it to where a person simply cannot hide items away on their own whims. That seems to be the big issue here.
Nathan's idea does promote RP in the sense that one would have to RP somewhere and simply could not go inactive with their items in tow. Unfortunately, one problem I could see about this is the regulation on Yumei's suggestion. Sure there could be a rule about people needing to post, but who would actually be willing to stalk everybody with a canon object and keep track of that and how? Working out kinks like this would be necessary before a decision would be made on this topic unless i'm missing something.
Bocchiere's suggestion is also good as it resembles the biju 'hunting' rule (message a person with the challenge) and in my opinion could be followed until someone came up with better rules. There have been no qualms about the current biju rules to my knowledge other than the point that Zenaku raised recently, and these rules have been followed for quite some time now. I would like to see an option of fleeing though, for a bit more fairness to weaker chars vs ULTRA BUFFED SHOOP DA WHOOP chars.
I would love to help work on Nathan's ideas while using Bocchi's idea until then. Nathan's system seems to have potential and perhaps in time, we could use something similar with the jinchuuriki as well. At least by doing that, it gets the item holders on their toes again, and promotes some RP until the main course; an appetizer if you will.
Am I missing anything? Any feedback i'd love to hear as well.
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Yeah Nathan, I just want this system so I can steal every canon item without anyone being able to stop me, right. I want this system because it is simple, there is no wiggle room to abuse things, you fight or lose it, and like I said both of them is forcing people to rp. I'll use you're argument then. If you are gonna force people to rp somewhere so people can come hunt them then why not just allow people to challenge them? You didn't address my point of me just bringing gangs of people in to beat up each person. There is no way to stop that, if Enishi or someone is gonna have to wander through one of the zones then what is stopping me and 6 of my friends from just happening to wander in and attack him? I've met every SSM member with a sword except Enishi and Mioku, fyi, and since Rakudo has like 4 now that's all that really matters. What about things like the Totsuka Sword? Mioku never used it, so no one knows about it, even if he gets stripped and it gets given to someone else what is that going to change? The new person can choose to never use it and it will be as inaccesable as it ever was because no one will know about it.
THE POINT IS
Both of ideas are forcing people to rp but Nathan's idea is too vague at this time, which means people are going to abuse it and going to cause problems and judges are going to be called and it is going to be a hassle. It would require way more input to work properly.
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Why not have it be up to the holders on how they'd like to handle things? Both are good ideas in their own respects because both make it to where a person simply cannot hide items away on their own whims. That seems to be the big issue here.
Nathan's idea does promote RP in the sense that one would have to RP somewhere and simply could not go inactive with their items in tow. Unfortunately, one problem I could see about this is the regulation on Yumei's suggestion. Sure there could be a rule about people needing to post, but who would actually be willing to stalk everybody with a canon object and keep track of that and how? Working out kinks like this would be necessary before a decision would be made on this topic unless i'm missing something.
Bocchiere's suggestion is also good as it resembles the biju 'hunting' rule (message a person with the challenge) and in my opinion could be followed until someone came up with better rules. There have been no qualms about the current biju rules to my knowledge other than the point that Zenaku raised recently, and these rules have been followed for quite some time now. I would like to see an option of fleeing though, for a bit more fairness to weaker chars vs ULTRA BUFFED SHOOP DA WHOOP chars.
I would love to help work on Nathan's ideas while using Bocchi's idea until then. Nathan's system seems to have potential and perhaps in time, we could use something similar with the jinchuuriki as well. At least by doing that, it gets the item holders on their toes again, and promotes some RP until the main course; an appetizer if you will.
Am I missing anything? Any feedback i'd love to hear as well.
As you can tell from the input of this topic, though, it's making people not want to RP because if they don't want to fight him he can just claim it. Both our ideas force people to RP, yes. However, that's because you shouldn't have the item if you're not going to RP with it. Now, here is where it splits: Bocc's rule is like the Bijuus where if you don't want to fight somebody then you get the beast. My idea promotes RP because I'm sure people would much rather have the person come find them in RP instead of just OOC challenging them.
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Yeah Nathan, I just want this system so I can steal every canon item without anyone being able to stop me, right.
I never said that. However, you're challenging for the SSM swords and claim to be challenging more after you fight Mioku and Shima so it does seem like that.
I want this system because it is simple, there is no wiggle room to abuse things, you fight or lose it, and like I said both of them is forcing people to rp.
Yes, there is. Most people consider you a god-mod who whines when he doesn't get his way so no one would want to fight you and you basically get the item instead of it being taken up with other members like the Bijuu.
I'll use you're argument then. If you are gonna force people to rp somewhere so people can come hunt them then why not just allow people to challenge them?
It's not forcing them if they're supposed to be doing it in the first place.
You didn't address my point of me just bringing gangs of people in to beat up each person. There is no way to stop that, if Enishi or someone is gonna have to wander through one of the zones then what is stopping me and 6 of my friends from just happening to wander in and attack him?
I don't recall you bringing that up. Either way, there isn't. What was stopping Konoha from bringing twelve people two fight two Akatsuki members? Nothing because that's the price of being a missing ninja.
I've met every SSM member with a sword except Enishi and Mioku, fyi, and since Rakudo has like 4 now that's all that really matters. What about things like the Totsuka Sword? Mioku never used it, so no one knows about it, even if he gets stripped and it gets given to someone else what is that going to change? The new person can choose to never use it and it will be as inaccesable as it ever was because no one will know about it.
We can set up a rule where they have to use it or something of the sort.
THE POINT IS
Both of ideas are forcing people to rp but Nathan's idea is too vague at this time, which means people are going to abuse it and going to cause problems and judges are going to be called and it is going to be a hassle. It would require way more input to work properly.
I don't see how it's vague. Of course rules would have to be set up with it just like every thing else. I am only proposing this idea because people already dislike yours.
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I'm sorry but the idea of forcing someone to rp is just down right pitiful. Who are you to tell people what they have to do, when they have to do it, and where as far as rping in general goes? I say drop this whole thing. Honestly if my necklace means so much to someone, for some odd reason, then come to Konoha and take it off my neck. The only reason I claimed the item was because I thought it cool to have sense Uetto is head of the Senju in Konoha.
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I'm sorry but the idea of forcing someone to rp is just down right pitiful. Who are you to tell people what they have to do, when they have to do it, and where as far as rping in general goes? I say drop this whole thing. Honestly if my necklace means so much to someone, for some odd reason, then come to Konoha and take it off my neck. The only reason I claimed the item was because I thought it cool to have sense Uetto is head of the Senju in Konoha.
Or you could just make more? I'm sure if Hashirama, the Senju Clan leader of the series could make one, you could too. :o
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I'm sorry but the idea of forcing someone to rp is just down right pitiful. Who are you to tell people what they have to do, when they have to do it, and where as far as rping in general goes? I say drop this whole thing. Honestly if my necklace means so much to someone, for some odd reason, then come to Konoha and take it off my neck. The only reason I claimed the item was because I thought it cool to have sense Uetto is head of the Senju in Konoha.
Or you could just make more? I'm sure if Hashirama, the Senju Clan leader of the series could make one, you could too. :o
Essentially, we don't know how Hashirama came into its possession, and so long as its origin remains ambiguous, it shouldn't be replicated.
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I'm sorry but the idea of forcing someone to rp is just down right pitiful. Who are you to tell people what they have to do, when they have to do it, and where as far as rping in general goes? I say drop this whole thing. Honestly if my necklace means so much to someone, for some odd reason, then come to Konoha and take it off my neck. The only reason I claimed the item was because I thought it cool to have sense Uetto is head of the Senju in Konoha.
It's Bocc', though, so he won't drop it and, for that reason, I'm proposing a better alternative.
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I'm sorry but the idea of forcing someone to rp is just down right pitiful. Who are you to tell people what they have to do, when they have to do it, and where as far as rping in general goes? I say drop this whole thing. Honestly if my necklace means so much to someone, for some odd reason, then come to Konoha and take it off my neck. The only reason I claimed the item was because I thought it cool to have sense Uetto is head of the Senju in Konoha.
It's Bocc', though, so he won't drop it and, for that reason, I'm proposing a better alternative.
Yeah just like I wouldn't make any rules for Edo Tensei. My idea makes people fight 1v1, your idea makes people open themselves up for an unlimited amount of opponents at any given time. I don't see why anyone would want that. If you want to rp why not make the challenges do that? If I want to challenge Rakudo for a sword he has to accept like the bijuu rules but I have to rp coming to him in Kiri and then we dash off and fight or something.
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You know the good thing about that Bocc? I don't have to carry the swords on me IC, so unlike Bijuu which are with a Jinchuuriki at all times you just have to catch me on a day where I have it :P
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You know the good thing about that Bocc? I don't have to carry the swords on me IC, so unlike Bijuu which are with a Jinchuuriki at all times you just have to catch me on a day where I have it :P
Upsetting things like that x.x
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You know the good thing about that Bocc? I don't have to carry the swords on me IC, so unlike Bijuu which are with a Jinchuuriki at all times you just have to catch me on a day where I have it :P
Upsetting things like that x.x
Yeah that's exactly the kind of stuff I am talking about "Oh fine, I'll walk around, I won't bring the sword with me though." Not that it matters for me since I can kill them, Edo Tensei them and then tell them to go get me their stuff. This is one of many things Nathan's idea is not addressing. No doubt people will think of more.
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You know the good thing about that Bocc? I don't have to carry the swords on me IC, so unlike Bijuu which are with a Jinchuuriki at all times you just have to catch me on a day where I have it :P
Upsetting things like that x.x
Yeah that's exactly the kind of stuff I am talking about "Oh fine, I'll walk around, I won't bring the sword with me though." Not that it matters for me since I can kill them, Edo Tensei them and then tell them to go get me their stuff. This is one of many things Nathan's idea is not addressing. No doubt people will think of more.
In that case then you aren't "challenging" me for my canon items, and thus this whole thread is pointless.
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You know the good thing about that Bocc? I don't have to carry the swords on me IC, so unlike Bijuu which are with a Jinchuuriki at all times you just have to catch me on a day where I have it :P
Upsetting things like that x.x
Yeah that's exactly the kind of stuff I am talking about "Oh fine, I'll walk around, I won't bring the sword with me though." Not that it matters for me since I can kill them, Edo Tensei them and then tell them to go get me their stuff. This is one of many things Nathan's idea is not addressing. No doubt people will think of more.
In that case then you aren't "challenging" me for my canon items, and thus this whole thread is pointless.
For you it is, clearly, you said you were requiring people to find you in rp to challenge for the bijuu so you clearly don't mind not following already established rules. I, personally could do that, since you said you intend to cheat the system and not keep your canon items on you so you don't have to accept challenges for them.
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For you it is, clearly, you said you were requiring people to find you in rp to challenge for the bijuu so you clearly don't mind not following already established rules. I, personally could do that, since you said you intend to cheat the system and not keep your canon items on you so you don't have to accept challenges for them.
What established rules? What system? Like I said before nothing in this thread was even set in stone as of yet...
Everyone is merely inputting their own suggestions in regarding challenges for canon-related items.
You need to stop getting ahead of yourself as per usual.
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For you it is, clearly, you said you were requiring people to find you in rp to challenge for the bijuu so you clearly don't mind not following already established rules. I, personally could do that, since you said you intend to cheat the system and not keep your canon items on you so you don't have to accept challenges for them.
What established rules? What system? Like I said before nothing in this thread was even set in stone as of yet...
Everyone is merely inputting their own suggestions in regarding challenges for canon-related items.
You need to stop getting ahead of yourself as per usual.
I was talking about the bijuu rules, when Rakudo was saying he always made people find him in rp to challenge for the bijuu, which would of course mean he's been denying peoples challenges for that reason. You need to more thoroughly read my posts, as per usual.
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For you it is, clearly, you said you were requiring people to find you in rp to challenge for the bijuu so you clearly don't mind not following already established rules. I, personally could do that, since you said you intend to cheat the system and not keep your canon items on you so you don't have to accept challenges for them.
I think you need to thoroughly read your own since your were talking about Rakudo honoring an established rule much so like the bijuus' own and say that's cheating the system for not having that particular canon item at the time of your own engagement of the opponent which in your eyes would automatically make them forfeit the win to you.
I did the honor of pointing out each words in bold lettering.
Also this whole thread is about canon-item related inputs and the challenges regarding them, not bijuu rules or anything of that sort; ie Keep it on topic unless I have to lock it up!
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I was talking about the bijuu rules, when Rakudo was saying he always made people find him in rp to challenge for the bijuu, which would of course mean he's been denying peoples challenges for that reason. You need to more thoroughly read my posts, as per usual.
I've never denied a bijuu challenge; to be honest I was only challenged twice, and that was when I still took OOC challenges, but if someone had challenged me I would've told them to find me in RP.
Edit: My point was that unlike with bijuu, people may or may not have their canon items on them so you can't exactly force them to accept every challenge.
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You know the good thing about that Bocc? I don't have to carry the swords on me IC, so unlike Bijuu which are with a Jinchuuriki at all times you just have to catch me on a day where I have it :P
Upsetting things like that x.x
Yeah that's exactly the kind of stuff I am talking about "Oh fine, I'll walk around, I won't bring the sword with me though." Not that it matters for me since I can kill them, Edo Tensei them and then tell them to go get me their stuff. This is one of many things Nathan's idea is not addressing. No doubt people will think of more.
In that case then you aren't "challenging" me for my canon items, and thus this whole thread is pointless.
For you it is, clearly, you said you were requiring people to find you in rp to challenge for the bijuu so you clearly don't mind not following already established rules. I, personally could do that, since you said you intend to cheat the system and not keep your canon items on you so you don't have to accept challenges for them.
The majority wanting something does not make the majority right. Lots of people want to void me and that hasn't happened either. You can be sure that I'm going to ignore such a rule if it is placed. We have been doing fine using logic and discussion to make the rules up till this point, now people are going "No implants cuz no implants." That's just stupid.
Just like you intended to ignore rules for the Edo Tensei before you were convinced.
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For you it is, clearly, you said you were requiring people to find you in rp to challenge for the bijuu so you clearly don't mind not following already established rules. I, personally could do that, since you said you intend to cheat the system and not keep your canon items on you so you don't have to accept challenges for them.
I think you need to thoroughly read your own since your were talking about Rakudo honoring an established rule much so like the bijuus' own and say that's cheating the system for not having that particular canon item at the time of your own engagement of the opponent which in your eyes would automatically make them forfeit the win to you.
I did the honor of pointing out each words in bold lettering.
Also this whole thread is about canon-item related inputs and the challenges regarding them, not bijuu rules or anything of that sort; ie Keep it on topic unless I have to lock it up!
Thank you for telling me what I meant by what I posted, next time I will ask you what I think before I post it. Established rules is referring to the bijuu rules noted in that same sentence, then their is a period. This next sentence is a separate thought (Hence the previous punctuation). I said he INTENDS, to cheat the system, the system being the suggested canon object rules. Which I thought would be clear from the part where I said he intends to not accept challenges for his canon objects while he isn't carrying him. Why you are telling me I don't mean what I just clarified I don't know.
Nathan, do you want to work on some rules for the things that have been brought up so far?
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How am I cheating the system? Can you rob someone for their wallet if they left it at home?
To me(and I'm sure to others) it seems like you only brought up this topic because you can't get something that you want. Also could you actually propose a "system" besides "you have to accept every challenge or you lose it".
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How am I cheating the system? Can you rob someone for their wallet if they left it at home?
To me(and I'm sure to others) it seems like you only brought up this topic because you can't get something that you want. Also could you actually propose a "system" besides "you have to accept every challenge or you lose it".
The idea that you have to rp somewhere so people have a chance to gain the item from you is kind of undercut by you saying that you just won't have it on you, making it impossible to get. That sounds like abusing what is being proposed. You don't have to have it on you at all times but from this it is making it seem like you need to do rp's solely for the reason of giving people an opportunity to attack you to get your items, so yes you would be cheating the system to make it impossible to get the item in that particular situation. The "system" of mine you are bashing is essentially the bijuu rules, would it be more palatable to have someone refusing a challenge stripped and the item returned to their village? That would allow people to do things like Kyu, who just gave the 5 tails to Zen after I got my Rinnegan approved at his insistence.
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For you it is, clearly, you said you were requiring people to find you in rp to challenge for the bijuu so you clearly don't mind not following already established rules. I, personally could do that, since you said you intend to cheat the system and not keep your canon items on you so you don't have to accept challenges for them.
I think you need to thoroughly read your own since your were talking about Rakudo honoring an established rule much so like the bijuus' own and say that's cheating the system for not having that particular canon item at the time of your own engagement of the opponent which in your eyes would automatically make them forfeit the win to you.
I did the honor of pointing out each words in bold lettering.
Also this whole thread is about canon-item related inputs and the challenges regarding them, not bijuu rules or anything of that sort; ie Keep it on topic unless I have to lock it up!
Thank you for telling me what I meant by what I posted, next time I will ask you what I think before I post it. Established rules is referring to the bijuu rules noted in that same sentence, then their is a period. This next sentence is a separate thought (Hence the previous punctuation). I said he INTENDS, to cheat the system, the system being the suggested canon object rules. Which I thought would be clear from the part where I said he intends to not accept challenges for his canon objects while he isn't carrying him. Why you are telling me I don't mean what I just clarified I don't know.
Nathan, do you want to work on some rules for the things that have been brought up so far?
Right now? Nah. I'm lazy and more people should get on first.
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How am I cheating the system? Can you rob someone for their wallet if they left it at home?
To me(and I'm sure to others) it seems like you only brought up this topic because you can't get something that you want. Also could you actually propose a "system" besides "you have to accept every challenge or you lose it".
The idea that you have to rp somewhere so people have a chance to gain the item from you is kind of undercut by you saying that you just won't have it on you, making it impossible to get. That sounds like abusing what is being proposed. You don't have to have it on you at all times but from this it is making it seem like you need to do rp's solely for the reason of giving people an opportunity to attack you to get your items, so yes you would be cheating the system to make it impossible to get the item in that particular situation. The "system" of mine you are bashing is essentially the bijuu rules, would it be more palatable to have someone refusing a challenge stripped and the item returned to their village? That would allow people to do things like Kyu, who just gave the 5 tails to Zen after I got my Rinnegan approved at his insistence.
Well honestly speaking I never have the swords on me, I have the summoning scroll. So if I really cared I could just destroy the scroll in the same way that you did the Edo Tensei scroll effectively removing 3 swords from RP. Now does that seem any better?
Anyway, we should get input from others because technically both you and I could cheat the system in one way or another.
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Well here is a general overview of both systems so far, correct me if I miss anything
Bocchiere:
* One can issue a challenge for a canon item in the same manner as a bijuu. If the defender refuses to accept a challenge for no good reason, or goes inactive, the item will be given to the person on the top of their challenger list, or, if no challenges have been leveled, to their village of origin.
* Said fights would be typically IC, 1v1, though things like ability to kill the opponent, amount of challengers, and so on, can vary depending on what the challenger and defender can agree on.
* One cannot flee from a fight unless it was previously decided such a thing will be allowed.
* As usual a judge can be called to make a decision, be it during the fight or in the decision making process before.
* As the first rule suggests if one has a reason to deny the challenge (temporarily) they may do so, but must attend to it at their earliest possible convenience.
Nathan:
* A holder of a canon item is required to rp with it, if he goes inactive it will be stripped from him and returned to his village of origin.
* A holder of a canon item must rp in an area where people seeking his item have access to him, ie, the outskirts of a village, the fighting zones, etc. (which I will refer to as a "challenge area" for simplicity).
* A holder of a canon item must rp in a challenge area a certain amount of times in a week/month/tba.
* Once a challenger/s appear the object holder must make a certain amount of posts before being allowed to attempt to flee, I believe four was thrown out there.
* Neither a holder of a canon object or his challengers may use Space-Time ninjutsu of any variety to instantly escape from a fight, the limit is teleporting to the edge of the challenge area, where one may then attempt to flee.
* There is no limit to the amount of opponents that may enter a challenge area to vie for an object, though multiple people need not necessarily be aligned with each other, ie, a fight could be 1v1v2.
* The time in which a canon item holder will be in a challenge area needs to be a universal rule, such as the second and third friday of the month, and for 72 hours before they can leave (assuming no one comes to face them) though having them all on one day would be kinda silly, so maybe a canon object holder could just decide that they will always defend their object the third wednesday of a month and then stick to that, everyone deciding their own dates, and the dates would be posted somewhere.
Now I'm lazy, what do you guys think so far? And yeah Cmage, that is why Nathan's system is going to need to be fleshed out, as it kinda original compared to mine, which means the loop holes will be trickier to spot.
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I say give Nathan's proposed system a month, just as a trial run. If there's a positive response from the majority of the community, then it may receive praise, and most likely be 'officially' accepted in this thread. Otherwise, it may be subject to amendments, and perhaps a shorter trial period. If that fails again, and no suitable amendments can possibly be made, then Bocc's proposed system will be tested and vice versa, until there's a system that both the majority of the community opts to accept, and actually works.
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I say give Nathan's proposed system a month, just as a trial run. If there's a positive response from the majority of the community, then it may receive praise, and most likely be 'officially' accepted in this thread. Otherwise, it may be subject to amendments, and perhaps a shorter trial period. If that fails again, and no suitable amendments can possibly be made, then Bocc's proposed system will be tested and vice versa, until there's a system that both the majority of the community opts to accept, and actually works.
That is fine with me, though are the results during the trial periods permanent? Also, we need to get the full rules for Nathans together before we deploy it, the list I had was just what I thought of off the top of my head, I'm sure more can be thought of.
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I say give Nathan's proposed system a month, just as a trial run. If there's a positive response from the majority of the community, then it may receive praise, and most likely be 'officially' accepted in this thread. Otherwise, it may be subject to amendments, and perhaps a shorter trial period. If that fails again, and no suitable amendments can possibly be made, then Bocc's proposed system will be tested and vice versa, until there's a system that both the majority of the community opts to accept, and actually works.
That is fine with me, though are the results during the trial periods permanent? Also, we need to get the full rules for Nathans together before we deploy it, the list I had was just what I thought of off the top of my head, I'm sure more can be thought of.
Again, that would depend on which factors in particular contributed to the trial period's 'success'; if there are specific rules which may require a soft modification, or revamp, then they should be addressed here (or in an alternative thread).
Nathan, hop to it then. :)
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I suggest someone contact ALL canon items holders before you decide to do a mandatory trial run that they know nothing about and have no say over...
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Most know about it I think, so it wouldn't be too hard.
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But you aren't sure, sooooo get to informing them.
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Nathan's system, he can do it, I'll do it if i get a turn. :D
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- The holder of a canon item is required to post in a public place at least once out of every week. Also, when I say public I'm referring to wherever you are currently at but out in the open. For example, if you're in a village then you have to RP out in the streets of the village and not locked away somewhere. Failure to do this will result in being stripped of the item and it being returned to the person's village of origin.
- If the holder of a canon item is inactive for 30+ days then they will be stripped of their item and it will be returned to their village of origin.
- In order to challenge for a canon item then one must track down the holder of the item via RP and keep the RP saved. If you spend a month tracking someone down and then finally get the item but then don't have the RP to show it then it will be voided.
- Space-Time ninjutsu will be treated the same way it is in Bijuu battles meaning you cannot use it to escape.
- The amount of participants in the battle for the time has no limit. If you want a canon item but the person that has it lives in a village that will back them up then it's your problem.
- If the user has more than one item and you defeat them in battle then it works as any other battle and you get the other item as well.
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They wouldn't space so if any one wants to make it look nicer then be my guest. That aside, though, that's what I have so far.
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- If the user has more than one item and you defeat them in battle then it works as any other battle and you get the other item as well.
That's not true for bijuu, so what are you basing that off of?
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I never said these rules were based off the Bijuu rules. In an IC battle the person who kills the other person usually gets the other person's item(s).
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Sounds good so far.
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/me ask for all parties to be constructive when giving feedback :)
Talking about sb "whining" won't help in a discussion. Stay on topic. :twisted:
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- The holder of a canon item is required to post in a public place at least once out of every week. Also, when I say public I'm referring to wherever you are currently at but out in the open. For example, if you're in a village then you have to RP out in the streets of the village and not locked away somewhere. Failure to do this will result in being stripped of the item and it being returned to the person's village of origin.
- If the holder of a canon item is inactive for 30+ days then they will be stripped of their item and it will be returned to their village of origin.
- In order to challenge for a canon item then one must track down the holder of the item via RP and keep the RP saved. If you spend a month tracking someone down and then finally get the item but then don't have the RP to show it then it will be voided.
- Space-Time ninjutsu will be treated the same way it is in Bijuu battles meaning you cannot use it to escape.
- The amount of participants in the battle for the time has no limit. If you want a canon item but the person that has it lives in a village that will back them up then it's your problem.
- If the user has more than one item and you defeat them in battle then it works as any other battle and you get the other item as well.
What of training events? It is not uncommon for someone to train and be rp locked for a week or two or to be stored away in a dwelling while they recover... so how can you post every week if you are rp locked? I mean what if you are in a rp meeting that is taking place in a private place and can't post because of such... it is unfair to have your item stripped because of that.
And RL things happen. One's item shouldn't be stripped because they go inactive. Have a heart and use a little sense. People's computers crash, family members pass, ect.
I just feel people will take advantage of others when they are having hard times under these rules.
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- The holder of a canon item is required to post in a public place at least once out of every week. Also, when I say public I'm referring to wherever you are currently at but out in the open. For example, if you're in a village then you have to RP out in the streets of the village and not locked away somewhere. Failure to do this will result in being stripped of the item and it being returned to the person's village of origin.
- If the holder of a canon item is inactive for 30+ days then they will be stripped of their item and it will be returned to their village of origin.
- In order to challenge for a canon item then one must track down the holder of the item via RP and keep the RP saved. If you spend a month tracking someone down and then finally get the item but then don't have the RP to show it then it will be voided.
- Space-Time ninjutsu will be treated the same way it is in Bijuu battles meaning you cannot use it to escape.
- The amount of participants in the battle for the time has no limit. If you want a canon item but the person that has it lives in a village that will back them up then it's your problem.
- If the user has more than one item and you defeat them in battle then it works as any other battle and you get the other item as well.
What of training events? It is not uncommon for someone to train and be rp locked for a week or two or to be stored away in a dwelling while they recover... so how can you post every week if you are rp locked? I mean what if you are in a rp meeting that is taking place in a private place and can't post because of such... it is unfair to have your item stripped because of that.
And RL things happen. One's item shouldn't be stripped because they go inactive. Have a heart and use a little sense. People's computers crash, family members pass, ect.
I just feel people will take advantage of others when they are having hard times under these rules.
Oh, I forgot to add it to the rules that, if you had a good reason like any of the above, then you won't be stripped. I thought I put it in the first rule.
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Oi not sure if I've been following this right or not though; per say if I have a character that would need a certain type of summoning privileged though through rp the contract holder and the character are not on good terms due to affiliation differences. May I; challenge the contract holder to a zone for the ability to summon such? Or must I try my luck through rp in general as summoning contracts are 'canon' for the most part.
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Oi not sure if I've been following this right or not though; per say if I have a character that would need a certain type of summoning privileged though through rp the contract holder and the character are not on good terms due to affiliation differences. May I; challenge the contract holder to a zone for the ability to summon such? Or must I try my luck through rp in general as summoning contracts are 'canon' for the most part.
I think we decided against challenging for contracts.
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Oi not sure if I've been following this right or not though; per say if I have a character that would need a certain type of summoning privileged though through rp the contract holder and the character are not on good terms due to affiliation differences. May I; challenge the contract holder to a zone for the ability to summon such? Or must I try my luck through rp in general as summoning contracts are 'canon' for the most part.
I think we decided against challenging for contracts.
Ohh poots, Welp then thats all.
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Oi not sure if I've been following this right or not though; per say if I have a character that would need a certain type of summoning privileged though through rp the contract holder and the character are not on good terms due to affiliation differences. May I; challenge the contract holder to a zone for the ability to summon such? Or must I try my luck through rp in general as summoning contracts are 'canon' for the most part.
I think we decided against challenging for contracts.
Ohh poots, Welp then thats all.
But you can still challenge to sign it. We decided that you can't challenge to be the holder.
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I say we take every single Canon object and put it in a giant pile. Then we have someone lock it away in a pocket dimension. We then proceed to behead the person.
The person's who godmods the least to get the weapons from where they are hidden, wins....
No but seriously, I do think that fighting for techniques or summonings is just foolish. Just because you win doesn't mean you know it right away.
As for weapons and tools, I suggest putting up your dukes and showing people why you have it and not them.
- This late post brought to you by;
Hazama, that guy with the face.
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Bump. Also wanted to bring up my opinion on certain canon items.
The Treasured Tools of the Sage of Six Paths were a set of tools that were gathered and kept by Kumogakure in the series, due to their uniqueness. And the swords of the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist also have unique properties and are kept/guarded/wielded by the small group of Kirigakure. Now stay with me on this, but what if possession of an item is not within the wielder's, but rather, were granted by the village itself to be used by certain users whom knew how to wield them efficiently? (Short summary: Item is a possesion of the village, only certain nin are allowed to use them.)
Would one have to battle the Kage of the village or have a small skirmish with the village itself?
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Would one have to battle the Kage of the village or have a small skirmish with the village itself?
Whoever directly holds it. In the case of a village-owned item, the village itself would need to be battled into submission; alternatively locate the item and swipe it.
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Would one have to battle the Kage of the village or have a small skirmish with the village itself?
Whoever directly holds it. In the case of a village-owned item, the village itself would need to be battled into submission; alternatively locate the item and swipe it.
Nah i think the individual holding it would do. Think about it, if someone has a SSM sword for example. If someone killed the swordsman and took the sword while they were away from the village then the sword would be just gone
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Would one have to battle the Kage of the village or have a small skirmish with the village itself?
Whoever directly holds it. In the case of a village-owned item, the village itself would need to be battled into submission; alternatively locate the item and swipe it.
Nah i think the individual holding it would do. Think about it, if someone has a SSM sword for example. If someone killed the swordsman and took the sword while they were away from the village then the sword would be just gone
This. However, in case of inactivity it goes back to the village just like a Bijuu would.
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Would one have to battle the Kage of the village or have a small skirmish with the village itself?
Whoever directly holds it. In the case of a village-owned item, the village itself would need to be battled into submission; alternatively locate the item and swipe it.
If I get your meaning, what you're intended to mean as 'village-owned' would be things such as a bijuu awaiting to be sealed into a new host, or a 'scroll of secrets' for the village's defenses or something to that sort. Something that is stashed within the village and pertaining to it, in which case, the attacker might as well do a RP fight against the village itself to obtain.
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Would one have to battle the Kage of the village or have a small skirmish with the village itself?
Whoever directly holds it. In the case of a village-owned item, the village itself would need to be battled into submission; alternatively locate the item and swipe it.
If I get your meaning, what you're intended to mean as 'village-owned' would be things such as a bijuu awaiting to be sealed into a new host, or a 'scroll of secrets' for the village's defenses or something to that sort. Something that is stashed within the village and pertaining to it, in which case, the attacker might as well do a RP fight against the village itself to obtain.
Exactly
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Would one have to battle the Kage of the village or have a small skirmish with the village itself?
Whoever directly holds it. In the case of a village-owned item, the village itself would need to be battled into submission; alternatively locate the item and swipe it.
If I get your meaning, what you're intended to mean as 'village-owned' would be things such as a bijuu awaiting to be sealed into a new host, or a 'scroll of secrets' for the village's defenses or something to that sort. Something that is stashed within the village and pertaining to it, in which case, the attacker might as well do a RP fight against the village itself to obtain.
Exactly
That's fine with me. I mean, right now, it's fight the kage for the bijuu if no host was chosen -- I'd rather that not be changed. The scroll to the village defenses or whatever I'll gladly accept.
1) Bocchiere goes around posting the link to this place in random places. So, their choice to look or not. Not like this place is hidden somewrhere in the far corners of the undernet.
2) Well, not like we can properly define "god-modding" anymore, y'know?
3) Again, "clean" is a subjective notion. Like you, people prefer a type of RP. One more straightforward because it's guided in some sort. Like I've said plenty times before: you can RP as you wish. People can RP as they wish. In whatever form they want. However, the moment someone's personal RP is winding with something that's canon-based/claimed, then they step into different territory.
In a sense, you can search whatever fetish you have here in California; the moment you go to North Korea, you're not even allowed to check an e-mail outside of the one given to you. Kind of the same thing; a boundary. You keep saying "leave people alone" and that "people don't like all these rules." Well, some people do. Some people want these rules. If you want no part in them, okay. Skedaddle (as you have so many times already). You don't want to abide by the rules we're setting for OURSELVES (the people who want them), then don't. We're not forcing you to.
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But Raifudo rules some how create anarchy! D: Though it kinda does defeat the point of the rules if people who don't want to follow them can choose not to. Very few people are gonna want to field challenges for their items so it kinda makes it pointless. People will just continue to hoard their stuff.
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So I guess we're going to have some competition here... Warfare is taking on a new sort.
"You don't wanna abide? I'll claim your item. Da faq I can't do that. Don't like it? Go screw yourself. Well that's just fine, I didn't wanna RP with the likes of you anyways..."
On the flip side:
"I don't like these rules, I have a right to RP as I please. Who put you in charge? You can't claim my item, I claimed it first! You know what, I don't need the headache; I can make my own village, my own clan, and gather my own people to RP with. Easier to live with my laxness than your regulations, bastard..."
So yeah... Let's go ahead and draw these lines so we can start ignoring each other more effectively.
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But Raifudo rules some how create anarchy! D: Though it kinda does defeat the point of the rules if people who don't want to follow them can choose not to. Very few people are gonna want to field challenges for their items so it kinda makes it pointless. People will just continue to hoard their stuff.
So I guess we're going to have some competition here... Warfare is taking on a new sort.
"You don't wanna abide? I'll claim your item. Da faq I can't do that. Don't like it? Go screw yourself. Well that's just fine, I didn't wanna RP with the likes of you anyways..."
On the flip side:
"I don't like these rules, I have a right to RP as I please. Who put you in charge? You can't claim my item, I claimed it first! You know what, I don't need the headache; I can make my own village, my own clan, and gather my own people to RP with. Easier to live with my laxness than your regulations, bastard..."
So yeah... Let's go ahead and draw these lines so we can start ignoring each other more effectively.
Well, I mean, let's be frank here: If you have no desire to take part in an RP that's more guide-lined, etc., you should not bother yourself with keeping up with them or even trying to fight the claims they make. It doesn't concern you.
It's like trying to fight the banning of marijuana in a state you don't live in. It doesn't matter. Doesn't affect you. It exists, but it's not - in any way - influenced your life style choices.
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But Raifudo rules some how create anarchy! D: Though it kinda does defeat the point of the rules if people who don't want to follow them can choose not to. Very few people are gonna want to field challenges for their items so it kinda makes it pointless. People will just continue to hoard their stuff.
I'm still on these forums, Bocchiere. Please don't say things that mock me for what I said before, or use said things to ridicule others that agreed with me. We had a deal.
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Too many rules.
I suggest you guys get off the forum and go RP on SL and stop trying to regulate everyone's world.
1] rules made without a majority of the SL population being informed of them, having a say and voting them in or out is wrong. I will not abide by the ruling of such a forum.
2] If you are to RP then you should just abide by the general no god modding issues and stop trying to minimize the random nature of RP adventure.
3] I feel it would be better if you worried about keeping your own RP clean and just leave everyone else alone.
This is the best comment in this thread so far.
As I have been RolePlaying since 1999, I would like to ask; Why are people coming up with various of regulations and rules other people have to strictly follow against their own will? People can't just waddle around and tell them what to do or what kind of rule they have to necessarily follow according to you or someone else. I can understand a Forum RolePlay because people can RolePlay with each other privately, but not a game slash RolePlaying site where there's absolutely NO authority of what you have to do in a RP.
If some of you guys aren't aware of this, RolePlay is a hobby not something you have to turn into an organization and ruin it for others just because they can't follow your rules correctly. RolePlay is a hobby and quite often, an escape from reality so you can relax, have fun, make friends with others and clear your mind for the majority of us.
I don't care how strong your character is, canon items or not, God modder or not, but I think you guys are going overboard with this. I mean, come on, don't you see? Over 50 percent of the RolePlayers on Shinobi Legends have stopped RolePlaying because they can't handle the rules and regulations being established everyday or every week. I actually have sympathy for the Acads, Genins and so on forward because they can't even RolePlay in peace.
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I suppose I could ask something now that bothers me, after reading Kayenta's post.
We are free to roleplay as we wish; we do not have to obey your rules, as you say Raifudo. However you also say if we claim a canon item, then we have no choice but to obey your rules. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.
But the way I see that, it tells me 'You are free to roleplay as I wish'.
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You know, how about we just stick to this: If you want a canon item, seek out the person and fight them. Even if it means to attack a village in the process. That should spark some activity here and there. As for Missing-Nin, well they're pretty much regarded as rogues and criminals if they're unaligned to any village.
What are your thoughts on this?
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I suppose I could ask something now that bothers me, after reading Kayenta's post.
We are free to roleplay as we wish; we do not have to obey your rules, as you say Raifudo. However you also say if we claim a canon item, then we have no choice but to obey your rules. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.
But the way I see that, it tells me 'You are free to roleplay as I wish'.
Pretty much, yeah. Considering someone of your caliber of imagination is very skilled in using custom things in replacement for their resets (I.E. your sharingan is "Heightened Reflexes" or something of the sort). I don't see why you'd go about trying to claim something like the Gedo or a bijuu.
I mean, the basis - to me - is simple: build an atmosphere both parties can live in by appealing to both parties. The way to do so? Rules and regulations for one party to follow in a more strict and guide-lined (yes, guide-lined is there again and I'll explain why shortly) manner, and another atmosphere where I dare not tread as to not affect what has been established by others before.
Now as far as "guide lined", I keep saying it and with proper reason; it's a principle. A fundamental establishing for a system that can justify one's behavior or reasoning. You have one too, I suppose. Those yours is more on the basis of "Use your wildest imaginations and make them a reality for you. Enjoy everything you can make of your ideas and put them to use." Mine is more of a... "if you want something, fight and earn it."
It's probably my Spanish blood that gives me that infamously stubborn and arrogant attitude that so many people hate as much as others love.
Back to "guideline." A guideline is a statement used to determine a state of action. Kayenta, please forgive me for using you on this one, but I figure using you, you can help me clarify much more since you're here -- Demon Child TanarriNayeli. Now, we've had many people attack and regulate Bocchiere's inability to die for being a Jashin, that much is certain. Even though the show showed that's how the worshiping worked, we still had issues with it. Now, TN (I'm going to abbreviate her name for the sake of imminent carpal tunnel) is on the same boat in some cases.
> Half Demon, half human.
> Vampire
> "She is older than the rock among which she sits"; I'm assuming she's ancient.
> "she has been dead many times, and learned the secrets of the grave"; I'm guessing she can rebirth herself.
> "Demon flame" I don't know what that is, so could you do me the favor of clarifying it, please? That way I can either drop it or use it.
The difference between TN and Bo? Bo loves to claim many things. It's his hobby. He's like the assassin bug (for those of you who love learning like I do: http://us.gizmodo.com/5908188/unbelievable-assassin-bug-wears-its-victims-corpses-as-armor). Once he beats someone, he takes something of them to better himself even more, which is understandable.
My point: Here we have two separate individuals from two separate atmospheres. TN, from a more lenient structure that proposes using your imagination more and also advocating the use of custom things, and Bo, from a more strict area of the site that has set boundaries and rules for the things he has on him.
Now, Kay, you've also said you didn't want to RP with Bo (really, not many people do, so no one blames you at all); but why is that? Is it because of his claim-fest of things? Is it because he's an assassin bug? That after he beats someone for their things, he proudly boasts about his victory? I recall you have many issues with the things he's done, though in his defense (with your principles), he's free to do just that. He's free to go about and make those claims (and even more) because no one should be regulating him or preventing him from RP.
You want historical references? M'kay. I can do that: Segregation. I'm doing it right now to please both parties, you're doing it to protect yourself from his attitude.
I am not fighting Bocc for anything or EVER going to rp with him knowingly.
Segregation!
(http://ourstorian.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ss_segregationforever.jpg)
"The action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart."
Would you accept him if he toned down all that he claimed? Would you accept him if he stopped fighting people and following your principle of wanting to better himself and get stronger? If we REGULATE him and GUIDE him into a more appealing individual?
Though, this catches my eye:
~No auto hitting
~No attacks on an entry post
~No auto exiting
~No endless supply of actions during your turn
~No Character controlling
~No metagaming
Nowhere there does it say "no endless amounts of claims", "no claiming immortality", "no claiming something else someone else has without permission", or anything of the sort. So, in all fairness, Bo is in the right. And on the basis of your own mentality, you have no reason not to RP with him besides his attitude (which stems from the things he has and how much we're trying to regulate them).
Now, as far as being the "elite group" you say we are, how are we so? You keep saying it, but I don't understand (sorry!) what makes us that. Because we make regulations for an RP we prefer? I mean, I don't even RP anymore. I haven't in months. That was one day that I did, when I finally acted out my "release", and then something ruined it -- I don't remember what it was. Before that, it was more months that went by. I haven't zoned in ages and people know this of me. So, am I elite because I'm helping people make decisions on an RP that doesn't even influence me? I gain no benefit from doing so. I'm happily content not RP'ing. I lurk around like one of those alley kittens that likes to cause mischief.
(http://dandilyonfluff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/alley-cat.jpg)
(Though, I am much more cuter.)
God, I'm so annoying. I should be a lawyer.
You know, how about we just stick to this: If you want a canon item, seek out the person and fight them. Even if it means to attack a village in the process. That should spark some activity here and there. As for Missing-Nin, well they're pretty much regarded as rogues and criminals if they're unaligned to any village.
What are your thoughts on this?
It's what we do now, sir.
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The reason she won't RP with Bocchiere is the same reason as Suna and Konoha have made votes regarding voiding Bocchiere entirely. Though I won't get into that; sticky business and the sort.
As principle yes; the improving of one's self is a basic thing in roleplay. If a character exists a character must grow. If a character grows then the character becomes stronger. To become stronger takes form in a multitude of manners, from Uetto's training sessions, to Eric sparring with Alucard, to Bocchiere's hunting and gathering of rare and powerful artifacts and weaponry. That in itself has nothing wrong with it. If X is defeated and X had said weapon or item on his person, it is free pickings and spoils for the winner.
It's the very same concept we use when it comes to the eyes we pluck out of people's head, yet at this point one has to question how many times someone has to pluck an eye out of someone before it's actually gone - I've seen regenerating eyes.
I do understand what you're saying Raifudo, and my disputes against them are not in spite or just being a jerk. It's more of... adding the unneccesary.
Canon items did not need a ruleset in my view, simply guidelines - whoops, I said that word. If someone has a canon item, they -should- have it involved sometimes at least. They should use it in battle, why wouldn't they? If you have a strong weapon why would you not use it? Kisame would use Samehada, even against someone that turned Samehada against him simply for the fact he had better chakra than Kisame.
The issue becomes 'gorging', as I call it. To become strong you learn jutsus, you sign a contract, you do X and Y and Z. But there becomes an issue of limitation.
A shinobi cannot gain past three natural elements without Rinnegan eyes. They can pretend to have it by copying techniques they otherwise can't use by sharingan, but ultimately you can, as a normal shinobi, only learn three of the five.
One does not expect someone to enfuse themselves with two bijuu either. They would simply explode, as it were. The body cannot take two tailed demons at once.
But there is no such kind of limitation when it comes to 'gorging'. When someone recklessly rushes people, issues a challenge, if they win takes their item(s), and goes on immediately to the next one. Bocchiere, Kage, Seiya and such could gain every single canon item in Naruto if they never lost. And with each of these weapons they always have something for a battle, in a sense.
This ruling consists to keep the inactive from hoarding weapons, such as Mioku with the whatever sword he has. If he's inactive then give the person who has the -real- calling, the Mizukage, to strip that weapon off of him and give it to the next Mist kunoichi or shinobi qualified to be a Seven Swordsman member.
But, I'm not going to go into that. That's also sticky business I'd rather not be in.
It's stupid when you say it outloud. If you have a canon item, you are under the influence of these rules. This means you do not have the freedom to own canon items unless you abide these rules that Game Masters did not create. Game Masters, who are the head of roleplay, as it were. Going to democratic talk, it's these people that have the final decision on things like this. Zenaku, Tracey, Enishi and Kayenta. I can understand suggesting things but it should be them talking it out.
At least, if you're talking about server power that's how it should be.
Like you, I stopped roleplaying Raifudo. Namely, I quit because I cannot willingly accept this many rules. I could understand the bijuu ruling because that is basically how it goes. People are power hungry and they hunt the jinchuuriki for their bijuu. The Akatsuki did this very thing.
Suigetsu hunts the Seven Swordsman swords himself, and the Seven Swordsman made their own website and rulings regarding that. That's what they, as Kirigakure, have the right to do. And if the kages - and more importantly Game Masters see this as just then there it is.
But the canon items ruling already clashes with -their- ruling. You took away their freedom through this, if this goes through.
Yes, the imagination works in mysterious ways. Just because Person A wants a canon item doesn't mean Person B wants it, Person B can make their own item if they truly wish. But what of those that claimed canon items already? Do they now have no choice but to either get rid of their item, or accept a rule that came up that they either didn't abide, or didn't know about?
Or what about those people that just don't want to -deal- with some people. Kayenta for example, doesn't like Bocchiere. But at least one of her characters has a canon item. If Bocchiere challenges for the item, Kayenta has to roleplay with him. Something she doesn't want to do. This, breaks a -server- rule. When you harm someone's freedom, that's breaking a rule that Neji himself made. The entire SL Roleplay rule system breaks the rules of the game itself, in fact.
Or to cookie cutter what I just said.
Someone can challenge for the items all they want, as many items as they want, and no one can say no because they had canon items thus they have no freedom on their own to decide if they want to defend their item or not, only the freedom of giving up their weapon to avoid fighting that person. Someone who doesn't roleplay with someone else for personal reasons can't avoid them because they have X item.
You have a milkshake but I say if you have milkshake you must defend your milkshake or give it up because I want a milkshake too.
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Or what about those people that just don't want to -deal- with some people. Kayenta for example, doesn't like Bocchiere. But at least one of her characters has a canon item. If Bocchiere challenges for the item, Kayenta has to roleplay with him. Something she doesn't want to do. This, breaks a -server- rule. When you harm someone's freedom, that's breaking a rule that Neji himself made. The entire SL Roleplay rule system breaks the rules of the game itself, in fact.
Or to cookie cutter what I just said.
Someone can challenge for the items all they want, as many items as they want, and no one can say no because they had canon items thus they have no freedom on their own to decide if they want to defend their item or not, only the freedom of giving up their weapon to avoid fighting that person. Someone who doesn't roleplay with someone else for personal reasons can't avoid them because they have X item.
You have a milkshake but I say if you have milkshake you must defend your milkshake or give it up because I want a milkshake too.
Well, in the same case, I can turn it around and say the fact Kay doesn't want want to allow Bo to RP with her harms HIS freedom to interact with certain aspects she claims to have about her. Being a Suna Kunoichi, if Bo were to skip his merry way to Suna he wouldn't be able to interact with a past kage or anything of the sort right off the bat.
What I am, honestly, curious about is this: why would those in a much more lenient sort of role play that encourages more original concepts seek to obtain things that are canon? I honestly can't grasp it. I'm far too limited in my own imagination as to why. I've been accustomed too much to people who want something, approach another for it, fight for it, argue about it, settle on a victor, and then go about their way.
I dunno, that must be a pretty special milkshake. It's not the one milkshake. There are plenty other milkshakes, of the same kind and recipe, to get. So there's no reason to fight for it. Even then, people can share the milkshake.
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It was my impression that the GM's were just there to encourage rp, that they did not have any actual power, as it were.
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If you want to go through that case Raifudo, you'd have to acknowledge that the rules in general restrict freedom, thus adding more continues to break what freedom we have.
Nay, I'm not after items. I never said I was and never will desire them, nor do I want a bijuu, eyes and so forth. Not everyone who roleplays that wants canon items are 'the kings of creativity'. There -are- people, who are simple shinobi/kunoichi and have a canon item. Kayenta, for the most of her characters, are normal kunoichi, save for her demon children that spawned from one of her husbands in the past. To which, you don't see said character holding a canon item, hm?
My milkshake is a milkshake but your milkshake is also a milkshake. I want two milkshakes so give me your milkshake. Refusal will be war.
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If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen, comes to mind.
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I'm talking to Raifudo at the moment Bocchiere, if you don't mind.
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I'm talking to Raifudo at the moment Bocchiere, if you don't mind.
Man, Kayenta is right, this elite group does have an attitude. Sure, though I was wondering how you managed to post the link to "Decide whether or not to void Edo Tensei" all over the place, and this one no where. Hmmmmm.
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Nathan told me to post the Edo Tensei forum post in Kumogakure, if that is what you are referring to.
But seeing as you enjoy to 'pick fights' as it were when I'm trying to simply talk to Raifudo, very well. I'll be a good girl and keep quiet.
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Think of it this way Raifudo...Because you claim to not understand what is wrong here.
The bully in the school yard wants my lunch money and is going to beat me up and take it if I don't just hand it over to him.
That sort of behavior is not entertaining but systematically wrong on many levels of social interaction. And I do not wish to be around such a person. Certainly he has the right to go around being...the way that he is. But I also have the right not to subject myself to such behavior. It is unfortunate when my rights conflict with his rights but I Will not be giving them up to make a person of such behavior happy.
I've been paying attention and reading this debate and I have to say this terminology is wrong but if you feel different then please correct me. I would like to state I am not picking sides but simply spreading my opinion.
The reason I say you cannot mention bullying is because we are talking about canon items here which means not only did you CLAIM this item but you CLAIMED this item when you know others may want it. If no one else was going to want it then there is no point in CLAIMING it.
This thread is not about how much of a prick Bocch can be, this thread is about CLAIMING and CHALLENGING.
A bully is someone who beats you up for something that is yours, yes. But it depends on what you have or where did you get your 'lunch money' from.
Claimed items can be looked at like,'Person B beats up Person A to get said item but Person A just got done repeatedly beating Person C with their own arm to get it.'
It's like Bijuu, when you claim something know what comes along with it. You know people are going to challenge you so why be surprised or whine about it?
Maybe some people WANT to be challenged for their things to try and spice up their own ways of RP. Who knows? I guess we don't now do we?
Nathan and I were talking and he made a good point; it's not like all freedom is taken away from the people. Look at Rakudo. When he had a Bijuu he made people come find him in RP to challenge him. Not all freedom is gripped from the hands of the players.
Now then, with this being said, I do believe I've gotten everything off of my chest. Please have a good day.
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Personally I feel that new rules does take away the fun of Rp, and restrict some of those creative types whom rps just to rp. From all of the Role-plays of SL, elite or not. I've noticed that many of these topics often revolves around Bocc, and what not. Rai has a point, but so does Kay. I not taking sides, just blankly saying that people shall choose to rp inwhat ever fashion they deem worthy, and making new rules every 2 or 3 months is beginning to displease others, and infact some of it is unnecessary from my perspective. On the flip side, without rules how can one govern a game, and deem what is fare, and what not. I believe their no winner nor loser in this. So I say we should just leave it at that.
However on the Bocc being ass-hole topic.
Picture yourself in Kayenta, or anyother person Bocc has harassed. I believe Kayenta has a point for not rping with bocc. Personally I don't see the point in getting mad, nor showing any type of emotion toward Sl anymore. To me, everyone just some random stranger who probably half way across, and behind some computer or phone.
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Think of it this way Raifudo...Because you claim to not understand what is wrong here.
The bully in the school yard wants my lunch money and is going to beat me up and take it if I don't just hand it over to him.
That sort of behavior is not entertaining but systematically wrong on many levels of social interaction. And I do not wish to be around such a person. Certainly he has the right to go around being...the way that he is. But I also have the right not to subject myself to such behavior. It is unfortunate when my rights conflict with his rights but I Will not be giving them up to make a person of such behavior happy.
I've been paying attention and reading this debate and I have to say this terminology is wrong but if you feel different then please correct me. I would like to state I am not picking sides but simply spreading my opinion.
The reason I say you cannot mention bullying is because we are talking about canon items here which means not only did you CLAIM this item but you CLAIMED this item when you know others may want it. If no one else was going to want it then there is no point in CLAIMING it.
This thread is not about how much of a prick Bocch can be, this thread is about CLAIMING and CHALLENGING.
A bully is someone who beats you up for something that is yours, yes. But it depends on what you have or where did you get your 'lunch money' from.
Claimed items can be looked at like,'Person B beats up Person A to get said item but Person A just got done repeatedly beating Person C with their own arm to get it.'
It's like Bijuu, when you claim something know what comes along with it. You know people are going to challenge you so why be surprised or whine about it?
Maybe some people WANT to be challenged for their things to try and spice up their own ways of RP. Who knows? I guess we don't now do we?
Nathan and I were talking and he made a good point; it's not like all freedom is taken away from the people. Look at Rakudo. When he had a Bijuu he made people come find him in RP to challenge him. Not all freedom is gripped from the hands of the players.
Now then, with this being said, I do believe I've gotten everything off of my chest. Please have a good day.
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So, we're gonna scrap these "rules" and go back to the way things were? Normally I'd have a more readable comment but I think this question is more pressing atm for me and some others.
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So, we're gonna scrap these "rules" and go back to the way things were? Normally I'd have a more readable comment but I think this question is more pressing atm for me and some others.
I'd love to answer your questions but everyone is gawking over Bocchiere again. So you'll just have to wait like the rest of us.
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So, if the rules do get passed, does the holder of the item have to have it on them? And, if they don't, would they still have to post at least once every week?
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So, if the rules do get passed, does the holder of the item have to have it on them? And, if they don't, would they still have to post at least once every week?
Essentially, either of the two if the rules [somehow] pass.
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I say we just forget that this thread ever started and go back to a better system. Only the rules of the zone apply, and as long as you don't god-mode, you can have and do whatever, whenever. Anyone disagrees, take it to the RP lawyers who lurk the forums. :)
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I say we just forget that this thread ever started and go back to a better system. Only the rules of the zone apply, and as long as you don't god-mode, you can have and do whatever, whenever. Anyone disagrees, take it to the RP lawyers who lurk the forums. :)
And with that said, let's all go out and get some milkshake! :D
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I say we just forget that this thread ever started and go back to a better system. Only the rules of the zone apply, and as long as you don't god-mode, you can have and do whatever, whenever. Anyone disagrees, take it to the RP lawyers who lurk the forums. :)
Agreed
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I say we just forget that this thread ever started and go back to a better system. Only the rules of the zone apply, and as long as you don't god-mode, you can have and do whatever, whenever. Anyone disagrees, take it to the RP lawyers who lurk the forums. :)
My swords are mine >__>
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I didn't really read everything posted here,but i really can't see what's the problem or what "extra-rules" are added.
I don't like people that claim an item just because they were the first ones that said "MINE" when it appeared and then never fight for it just so nobody else can have said item.So,maybe forcing people to RP and whatnot isn't nice,but keeping items just so other people can't have them despite having more skill and power than their current user isn't nice either.
An easy way to solve that problem is for people that claim canon items also accept challenges for them or if they don't want to fight,just give the weapon to someone that wants,since they are not using the item anyway.There are always exceptions to this,like if the owner is away for a short period of time or has a really good reason not to fight.
On the other hand,there are people that hoard items just for the sake of gaining more power,despite already having lots of other powerful jutsus/items.So maybe we can set a limit to how many stuff someone can claim at a time (including items/jutsus claimed by alts).
Also i can't see how "rules" can really affect your RP.Some rules are really good,otherwise we would have people with 7 natural elements,5 KGs,1 KT,countless of very powerful jutsus and a huge load of chakra. (well people like this already exist).Each char should have it's limits and weaknesses. Of course nobody forces no one to follow this rules (i have seen acads claiming KGs,KTs,etc. fighting in the zone and nobody started shouting at them or calling them names),but they shouldn't feel hated when other people that follow the rules don't want to RP with them.
I mean,i only joined SL for a year and i didn't find it that hard to respect some rules and use common-sense.Of course i am not perfect either,as i also have some things that wouldn't be possible in the Narutoverse,but i do try not to exaggerate my powers.
PS: While creating your own custom item sounds like a good idea,we will just have 10 [insert weapon name here] carried around by various people and all canon weapons will lose their uniqueness.Not to mention that people can and will use the powers of different canon swords and combine them into one OP sword.
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I'm surprised no one has acted like a troll and mentioned the sheer ambiguity of what a canon item is.
Seiya, I challenge you for your forehead protector. If you deny me, I shall take your protector, wait until you get another, and challenge again! All for the wicked plan of creating the Village Hidden In The Forehead Protectors!
Or potentially more chaotic, challenging for Chakra Disruption Blades. They -are- canon items. Just because it's not legendary and unique doesn't mean the items aren't canon and unaffected by the ruling.
Just saying; surprised no one's trolled like that yet.
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Headbands can be collected without having to go through a real ardious process, so really, who would troll for that?
Anyways, while i have time, I plan on re-making my arsenal to reflect these new changes! :D Give me a few hours.
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We can just make it a rule to strip inactive people of their items if such a thing comes to it, I have long since stopped caring about this topic. xD
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Please stay on topic.
@Morgoth Bauglir
Please scale your signature down or I will have to.
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Well, I got lazy, and long and short of it is, Sage mode, perfect sage mode, scorch release, and a bunch of techniques in-between... altered history... Yeah, alotta things would be different. xD
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If Bocc has stopped caring then we can all stop caring.
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Dunno about that one. I don't really own any canon items, but someday I might. So basically it's just whatevs at the moment? No rules rule on canon items?
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Yup, so for now, locky-loo.