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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: KayentaMoenkopi on January 09, 2015, 03:06:53 AM
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You need to have Mokuton to use it. Also it is claimed. That's all.
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I believe the main issue behind the question was;
Zetsus are humans reduced by their entire body into plant goop, no organs whatsoever, even brain is gone. All other mokuton users were largely flesh and blood still, Hashi, Obito, Madara and Yamato too. Even Danzo if his lameness counts? Only slight exceptions being possibly Obito and Danzo, since I don't think Obito ever used any outside of swirly zetsu wrapping, and Danzo could only do it with his arm.
Zetsus were shown using mayfly, moku bunshin were shown merging into a tree at least once (Yamato trailing Sai), but mokuton people themselves never merged with wood much less the earth or other materials.
Question then is, how can a mokuton user use mayfly without turning themselves entirely zetsu?
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I don't, how does this work? (and also when the heck does Madara use it?)
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_Prevention_Technique
I think that since Zetsu are barely a thing on SL most people just allowed anyone with Wood Release to use it.
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...not a clue of Madara, not Yamato either. I've seen every movie and ep so far, even fillers, and only ever seen the one instance of Orochimaru using that during chuunin exam.
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...not a clue of Madara, not Yamato either. I've seen every movie and ep so far, even fillers, and only ever seen the one instance of Orochimaru using that during chuunin exam.
Yamato's was what used to be called Hiding in Rock Technique. That jutsu's page has been changed and no longer includes Yamato as a user, because his instance was apparently Attack Prevention Technique. As for Madara I haven't the slightest.
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http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Underground_Projection_Fish_Technique
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Hiding_in_Rock_Technique
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Mayfly
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Subterranean_Voyage
The principle is not unique to Mayfly, even if the rest of them are not necessarily as "undetectable" as Mayfly.
It is indeed a Zetzu ability, and Kirk long claimed to create Zetzu under the old "they are from Mokuton cell" principle. Mayfly has also been claimed by certain individuals, though the "justification" for it is anyone's guess.
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Out of those though, I'm not sure of fish, but isn't it just a fancier name for digging? Kakashi's decapitation trick is digging too. Hiding in rock looks like camouflage, not actual rock merging. Subterranean voyage actually clearly states you liquify the ground to 'swim' in it.
Mayfly in turn, and possibly attack prevention, actually physically merges you with the ground.
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Out of those though, I'm not sure of fish, but isn't it just a fancier name for digging? Kakashi's decapitation trick is digging too. Hiding in rock looks like camouflage, not actual rock merging. Subterranean voyage actually clearly states you liquify the ground to 'swim' in it.
Mayfly in turn, and possibly attack prevention, actually physically merges you with the ground.
No, Hiding in Rock Technique also allows you to move into and out of other rocks undetected. It is merging with the rocks in a sense.
The Zetzu are quintessentially plants, so they can move about the organic ground as if they were travelling through roots. I highly doubt that the technique would be as effective in the desert or in the air where there is no organic matter.
I suppose then it is more similar than to merging with water Hozuki style:
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Water_Release:_Tate_Eboshi
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One would think so, but zetsu popped up smack middle of the gokage meetin through a stone floor.
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I believe it even specifically says it still works in the desert.
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One would think so, but zetsu popped up smack middle of the gokage meetin through a stone floor.
Perhaps that outer venus flytrap like thing has a use for ease of transport? Or maybe that stone floor wasn't as inorganic as we're giving it?
I'm not entirely sure. Water veins were apparently included in the Mayfly description.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Mayfly
It even says sand, so I don't even know what kind of criteria exists for this technique. Like, he can't use it in mid-air at least.
*Then again, wood can sprout from nigh anywhere via Mokuton, so I would say the sky is literally the limit.
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Desert is a yes, zetsu ate the fake kisame's corpse after all.
I would say hell no to sky though, its already a go-anywhere jutsu for an inexplicable reason, no point breaking it completely. I will even somewhat object to the wood though, cause outside of the Torii gates hashirama did they always come up from either the ground or out of the user.
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Desert is a yes, zetsu ate the fake kisame's corpse after all.
I would say hell no to sky though, its already a go-anywhere jutsu for an inexplicable reason, no point breaking it completely. I will even somewhat object to the wood though, cause outside of the Torii gates hashirama did they always come up from either the ground or out of the user.
I did say the sky was the limit. ^_^
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Is this Mayfly too? Or is it just Black Zetsu's crazy merging ability?
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-526-page-7.html
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Is this Mayfly too? Or is it just Black Zetsu's crazy merging ability?
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-526-page-7.html
Yeah that's Mayfly. He's merging with a tree and then popping out his eye somewhere else.
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According to the Naruto Databook, Mayfly is a technique that is a signature characteristic of Zetsu.
Unless you're Zetsu, I do not think other people should use this technique.
And what was mentioned before, no one who has use of Mokuton have shown to be able to do this technique.
Also, most, if not all, of the other techniques that are similar involves some form of digging.
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Mayfly* (蜉蝣, Kagerou)
Ninjutsu, No rank, Supplementary, All ranges
User: Zetsu
Using roots to glide through the ground, this is a espionage and subterranean travel technique~~!!
This infiltration technique is characteristic of Zetsu. It allows him to merge his body with the ground and flora and travel at high speed.
His insectivorous plant-like shell has the ability to merge with the ground, because it is tinged with his chakra. Then, using the underground network of organic matter, consisting of things like plant roots and water veins, he can travel everywhere with high speed. While using this technique, his presence is completely concealed. No person would be able to perceive Zetsu's existence.
[picture of Zetsu watching from a tree trunk]
[picture of Zetsu appearing from a branch, next to Tobi]
↑→Zetsu can conceal himself in trees, sand, and the like. When seeing fellow shinobi fight, this technique conceals his presence.
*Mayflies are insects, well-known for having a very short lifespan. Adult mayflies only life for half an hour to a day, depending on the species.
Kagerou may also be short for "usubakagerou" (薄羽蜉蝣), the Japanese name for the adult antlion (these adults have no wide-spread name in English). The larvæ of this insect, the antlions proper, are well-known for burrowing sand pits in which they trap ants and such. These larvæ (and the pits they dig) are called arijigoku (蟻地獄, "ant hell") in Japanese.
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Mei hit the nail on the head right there.
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Sorry I haven't read through the whole thread and am a little tired but I do have a question
so are we making Mayfly where only Zetsu can use it? Or Wood release users? Or removing it? Or has no real decision about it been made here
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Sorry I haven't read through the whole thread and am a little tired but I do have a question
so are we making Mayfly where only Zetsu can use it? Or Wood release users? Or removing it? Or has no real decision about it been made here
This is SL....watchu talking about 'decisions'? >.> All you're gonna get is 10 people who agree and then another 10 people who don't...maybe 5 people who can't make up their minds and then everyone else who doesn't care.
Rules is fer scrubz.
On that note, I've always thought it was silly when people who weren't Zetsu used mayfly. I always assumed he could do that cuz he was just a mush of mokuton with no bones and...based on what's been said here...that's basically correct xD
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^ Guy has the secrets of SL figured out. Get rekt.
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Sorry I haven't read through the whole thread and am a little tired but I do have a question
so are we making Mayfly where only Zetsu can use it? Or Wood release users? Or removing it? Or has no real decision about it been made here
This is SL....watchu talking about 'decisions'? >.> All you're gonna get is 10 people who agree and then another 10 people who don't...maybe 5 people who can't make up their minds and then everyone else who doesn't care.
Rules is fer scrubz.
On that note, I've always thought it was silly when people who weren't Zetsu used mayfly. I always assumed he could do that cuz he was just a mush of mokuton with no bones and...based on what's been said here...that's basically correct xD
Dude, there are not even 20+ people who regularly come to the forums to hash anything out. Quit fibbing. >_>
Generally it is more like 7 (at best) agree and a couple disagrees, the reverse order, or it's pretty close along those lines.
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Sorry I haven't read through the whole thread and am a little tired but I do have a question
so are we making Mayfly where only Zetsu can use it? Or Wood release users? Or removing it? Or has no real decision about it been made here
This is SL....watchu talking about 'decisions'? >.> All you're gonna get is 10 people who agree and then another 10 people who don't...maybe 5 people who can't make up their minds and then everyone else who doesn't care.
Rules is fer scrubz.
On that note, I've always thought it was silly when people who weren't Zetsu used mayfly. I always assumed he could do that cuz he was just a mush of mokuton with no bones and...based on what's been said here...that's basically correct xD
Dude, there are not even 20+ people who regularly come to the forums to hash anything out. Quit fibbing. >_>
Generally it is more like 7 (at best) agree and a couple disagrees, the reverse order, or it's pretty close along those lines.
Hyperbole bruh, sounds better than the actual small number of people who actively use the forums >.>
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Sorry I haven't read through the whole thread and am a little tired but I do have a question
so are we making Mayfly where only Zetsu can use it? Or Wood release users? Or removing it? Or has no real decision about it been made here
This is SL....watchu talking about 'decisions'? >.> All you're gonna get is 10 people who agree and then another 10 people who don't...maybe 5 people who can't make up their minds and then everyone else who doesn't care.
Rules is fer scrubz.
On that note, I've always thought it was silly when people who weren't Zetsu used mayfly. I always assumed he could do that cuz he was just a mush of mokuton with no bones and...based on what's been said here...that's basically correct xD
Dude, there are not even 20+ people who regularly come to the forums to hash anything out. Quit fibbing. >_>
Generally it is more like 7 (at best) agree and a couple disagrees, the reverse order, or it's pretty close along those lines.
Hyperbole bruh, sounds better than the actual small number of people who actively use the forums >.>
Not really, since hardly ever is it neck and neck with the decisioning as of late. It's usually mostly for or mostly again, or mostly quiet. :good:
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Who cares if all of us decide that it shouldn't be used? People are still going to use it to become one with the trees. Hippies.
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On that note, I've always thought it was silly when people who weren't Zetsu used mayfly. I always assumed he could do that cuz he was just a mush of mokuton with no bones and...based on what's been said here...that's basically correct xD
Basically.
Who cares if all of us decide that it shouldn't be used? People are still going to use it to become one with the trees. Hippies.
Basically.
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Screw it! Who's got two thumbs and not accepting non Zetsu Mayfly? This guy.
I had originally felt like Mayfly was nothing something that regular peeps could use, but threw that opinion to the side as it became more popular, now as far as my challenges go i'm just going to have it on my voids, problemo solvedo.
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Screw it! Who's got two thumbs and not accepting non Zetsu Mayfly? This guy.
I had originally felt like Mayfly was nothing something that regular peeps could use, but threw that opinion to the side as it became more popular, now as far as my challenges go i'm just going to have it on my voids, problemo solvedo.
I'll just have to claim an implanted Zetsu butt on all my characters.
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Yup! Archive the butt implant so you have evidence of rp ;p
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I'll just have to claim an implanted Zetsu butt on all my characters.
Forgot to reply to this. Having DNA of Zetsu is not what allows him to use the Mayfly technique (at least not entire). After all, Zetsu's DNA is that of the 1st Hokage so does not accomplish anything. To my belief, it's his bodily structure that allows it so. He has no organs of any kind. He's an artificial human. >.>
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And hozuki turn themselves to water. People with mokuton can turn body parts into wood. So I really don't see the point.
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And hozuki turn themselves to water. People with mokuton can turn body parts into wood. So I really don't see the point.
I hope you guys realize that most are not going to follow the 'no Mayfly for no Zetsu' rule when you have people who can turn into water. Not only that, but people have been using Mayfly like that for quite some time now.
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And hozuki turn themselves to water. People with mokuton can turn body parts into wood. So I really don't see the point.
The Houzuki clan is a group of ninja that settled in Kirigakure after the ending of the Warring States Period. Members of this clan have the ability to turn their bodies into liquefied form.
Wood Release users have only been shown to turned at most, their arm into wood as part of a jutsu. >.>
That's not the same as turning your arm into wood and then merging it with the ground. >.>
No other Mokuton users have shown that ability.
I hope you guys realize that most are not going to follow the 'no Mayfly for no Zetsu' rule when you have people who can turn into water. Not only that, but people have been using Mayfly like that for quite some time now.
Of course. I'm just stating facts here.
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The point was that if people can turn themselves entirely into water and partially into wood then there is no reason to ban people from merging with the ground. That actually seems like the most viable thing to be able to do compared to the first two. It's pretty asinine and people are just using it as an excuse to not deal with a technique that's a minor annoyance due to the ability to move at high speeds and become undetectable.
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Even if Mayfly were to be banned, people would just circumvent it by creating some other way to move undetected at high speeds. Likely a space time jutsu.
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The point was that if people can turn themselves entirely into water and partially into wood then there is no reason to ban people from merging with the ground. That actually seems like the most viable thing to be able to do compared to the first two. It's pretty asinine and people are just using it as an excuse to not deal with a technique that's a minor annoyance due to the ability to move at high speeds and become undetectable.
Go at high-speeds AND be undetectable! An annoyance indeed.
And to Becuerel's point, it's true. Even if there was proof that only Zetsu can use this technique (oh, wait I think I provided that), we cannot stop people from using it.
But that's why there's a thing called, the "Void list". >.>
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There is not any actual evidence only Zetsu can use it, despite it being possible or even likely that it is true. I just don't see the point of all of a sudden going, "Hey this is a thing we could void now."
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There is not any actual evidence only Zetsu can use it, despite it being possible or even likely that it is true. I just don't see the point of all of a sudden going, "Hey this is a thing we could void now."
According to the Naruto databook, "This infiltration technique is characteristic of Zetsu."
Definition: Characteristic - a feature or quality belonging typically to a person, place, or thing and serving to identify it.
You may feel that Kamui is not worth voiding but I would void it, due to the fact that I see people are abusing that move (both versions). However, that would be a separate discussion.
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There is not any actual evidence only Zetsu can use it, despite it being possible or even likely that it is true. I just don't see the point of all of a sudden going, "Hey this is a thing we could void now."
According to the Naruto databook, "This infiltration technique is characteristic of Zetsu."
Definition: Characteristic - a feature or quality belonging typically to a person, place, or thing and serving to identify it.
You may feel that Kamui is not worth voiding but I would void it, due to the fact that I see people are abusing that move (both versions). However, that would be a separate discussion.
Raikiri is characteristic of Kakashi, that doesn't mean only he can use it. It's just not something that is ever going to have a definitive answer.
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Raikiri is characteristic of Kakashi, that doesn't mean only he can use it. It's just not something that is ever going to have a definitive answer.
Perhaps, but there are several variations of Raikiri at this point, it makes me wonder how it's even original. >.>
At least there's proof of other people using those variations.
Side-note: I believe most people just stick to using Chidori anyway. >.>
EDIT: Well I guess at this point, it's just a matter of opinion.
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You may feel that Kamui is not worth voiding but I would void it, due to the fact that I see people are abusing that move (both versions). However, that would be a separate discussion.
Raikiri is characteristic of Kakashi, that doesn't mean only he can use it. It's just not something that is ever going to have a definitive answer.
Perhaps, but there are several variations of Raikiri at this point, it makes me wonder how it's even original. >.>
At least there's proof of other people using those variations.
Side-note: I believe most people just stick to using Chidori anyway. >.>
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Which is why I said Raikiri and not Chidori, there is a difference as Kakashi is the only canon user of Raikiri.
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You may feel that Kamui is not worth voiding but I would void it, due to the fact that I see people are abusing that move (both versions). However, that would be a separate discussion.
Raikiri is characteristic of Kakashi, that doesn't mean only he can use it. It's just not something that is ever going to have a definitive answer.
Perhaps, but there are several variations of Raikiri at this point, it makes me wonder how it's even original. >.>
At least there's proof of other people using those variations.
Side-note: I believe most people just stick to using Chidori anyway. >.>
Which is why I said Raikiri and not Chidori, there is a difference as Kakashi is the only canon user of Raikiri.
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Raikiri and Chidori both are custom techniques of Kakashi (he created them based off of rasengan I believe), so of course the only ones in the canon series going to be using them are either going to be Kakashi or any of the students that he taught (I.E, Sasuke).
Raikari and Chidori are not a characteristic technique of Kakashi in the same sense as Mayfly being that of Zetsu. They both require the special manipulation of lightning release chakra in a certain way in order to use.
Mayfly is characteristic to Zetsu in the sense that it is almost like a special ability of sorts, much like how only Nara in the canon series use shadow imitation and what-not.
* Much like Kaguya's bone manipulation being slightly different than the standard Kaguya bone manipulation, Zetsu's ability to merge with the ground is likely a natural energy attribute (recall what Zetsu are made of by the time the series concludes. They are not merely Hashirama Mokuton clones) that is unique to the creature known as Zetsu.
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I probably wouldn't compare it to jutsu that could be taught to anyone and are only special in that they are protected by word of mouth teaching if I was trying to convince someone only one person could use it.
The only point was that if we're looking for any definitive proof that it is unique to Zetsu because of his physiology and no one else could use it, we aren't going to find it. There can be things suggestive of one or the other but that isn't proof.
Would certainly not be the first time people voided something for next to no reason. Is this topic done yet?
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Has no databook referenced Mayfly?
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Has no databook referenced Mayfly?
I gave it in pg 2 of this thread.
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Indeed you did