Shinobi Legends Forum
Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Camel on November 14, 2015, 08:10:04 PM
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Hello! I am a staff member on the server we all play on, Shinobi Legends. This topic is generally about the newly created Profile Wikipedia which is in it's beginning stages and I want to hear any input that you the fellow players may have.
The general set-up of this new Wikipedia will be different from the old set-up by Yumei as I will choose a player from each of the major villages to moderate their respective pages: including Whirlpool Country.
You the players will decide amongst who will get these moderation abilities on there, I implore that any village leaders give their choice or decide amongst themselves who will be given this position.
This new set-up will be slightly different from Yumei's and moderation will be a priority, meaning that if any players violate any of the rules, you will be given the appropriate punishment accordingly.
I also implore that you help out your fellow players on this new Wikipedia and generally don't cause drama over trivial things: such as Tailed Beasts.
If you feel that this new Wikipedia isn't a thing for you or isn't really necessary. Make your voice be heard and give your input! I am open to any suggestions that you may have and I'll respond to you in a professional manner. :D
PS: Here is the new link (http://shinobi-legends.wikia.com/wiki/Shinobi%20Legends%20Wikia?wiki-welcome=1) for the Shinobi Legends Profile Wikipedia!
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I think we should all just go back to hosting our bios and such on awful .webs sites.
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I think we should all just go back to hosting our bios and such on awful webs sites.
We could but creating your own temporary website has it's negatives as their is a bandwidth limit on most freehosting websites. Generally you will have to pay more upsize your bandwidth limit and I am sure that it is a hassle to pay for an extra 500MB of bandwidth when inputting the data onto that particular server, this limit is something that has too be taken into consideration. Since I am sure no one wants to wait a month to input the rest of their data for that particular profile on their freewebs site.
Positive things about creating your website is you won't have to deal with overzealous players messing up your profile unless they figure out a way around it through editing tools that actually come with Firefox and Chrome. :evil: (Freewebs has a limit of 500MB a month.)
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The free webs and other such sites do have problems. I already maxed out Kay's old outdated one I need to fix one of these days.
1] I think moving all the content I have put on the profiles wikia will be a huge pain to move.
2] Why not just create a new claimed page on profiles there and lock it to keep wiki-vandals from striking?
3] I like having the old players' pages who left SL and are no longer a part of our community...seeing their information stored as our collective history. That will all be gone if profiles wikia is abandoned.
4] I think waiting to have my things approved...and I am not sure about this approval issue...will literally kill me. I have time to do stuff when I have time to do it...not on someone else's schedule...which will surely delay the issue.
5] I think we need less spin off separations and more reasons to come together.
These are my objections...and suggestions, respectfully submitted as requested. I have sent the pm out as a clan mail without additional comment from myself.
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Well going back to making sure there are no trivial arguments or any of that, a list of rules should be created to mitigate this. Such as respect others as you would like to be respected, or cyber bullying will not be tolerated. The issue with some things is that people bully others and then think nothing is gonna happen to them.
To simply put more into question about what Kay has for #4, basically will these moderators be given the ability to approve rather than one person holding all that power? Greatly increasing efficiency to make sure things are done in a timely manner would keep from having a back log.
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hmm...
I don't think we have a link on the SL mainpage that directs users to the wiki, do we?
If not, any objections for that to be done?
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1] It will and it won't be. The only problem that will generally be a pain to some users on here is importing the data on pictures, ogg files for characters and vice-versa. Character profiles can generally be copied and paste onto the new set-up. (Which is in its alpha stages at this moment)
2] I thought I addressed this before but if I haven't, please excuse me for not doing so. SpecialUsers rights must be given by that Administrator on that particular Wikipedia. Yumei's current set-up has only one administrator and his status as the profile wiki administrator is unknown at this point. I haven't heard from him nor do I think he actually cares for the server anymore; real life usually triumphs over playing on this server.
3] If it's a problem of sentimentality that is of no problem to me. I generally implore that those hopping on to the new set-up help each other out and incorporating the old history of most of the old veterans on here can be done discreetly or through your own means of doing so. I won't censor nor chastise you for adding onto this new set-up. I encourage that you do so. :)
4] The idea is that one *active* player from each of the respective major villages: including Otogakure and Uzushiogakure will be given specialuser rights for moderation and will generally be responsible for their own respective pages. Rules will be introduced and any new users on there will be allowed to approve their own character profile set-up. (I'll try to do some editing for the main page itself when I get Windows 10 out of my system. :P)
5] This page will not be a 'spin-off' nor a branch off the old set-up by Yumei. I made this site so that we could have some moderation in our own creations of the character profiles and etc. Meaning no one would be allowed to edit your pages without proper consent. :)
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THANK YOU. I love this and props to the staff for taking RP more seriously now. Sure, there might be some problems with this, but taking steps to a moderated space is exactly what I wanted. This is like...the legit wikia.
Also, while many people may have various opinions on this person, a huge thank you to Yumei. The dude took it into his own hands to make a pretty wikia on his own years ago and revolutionized the bio game. Sure, it was unofficial and people had problems with it, but no one can't ignore that almost EVERYONE used the wikia to host their characters and claims. While he isn't here anymore, props to Yumei. Gotta give credit where it's due.
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1] It is a ton of work. I know of no way to go through like by page numbers to ensure that all the content gets moved.
2] I did not know that a person could not lock their own page so that general members could not edit it.
3] Do you mean that we would go through and move everything over? I would of course help with that chore. To keep things straight a tag line at the top of each page could be added to indicate it has already been included on the new site.
4] It may take more than one active person from all the villages. You take that active RPer on SL and add this huge undertaking to their work load and SL RP activity will decline. "Sorry...can't post right now, I have to go do this wikia edit thing."
5] Self-moderation for our own bios and history is nice. But do I have to have approval of the powers I claim for my character? Or is the purpose to stop vandalism of other people's work and to stop the claiming of the same bijuu or special canon item by numerous people? My use of the term spin off...was to describe splitting of the community. I have reservations that we will not all be together. I don't want us further divided and against each other pointing to yumei's profiles or pointing to yours as the guidelines to go by. If we could all gather at one place...I would work my fingers off to make the move.
Many people come to me who do not have skills to edit the wikia to create them pages, or who are not able to get the wikia to let them edit their own pages for some reason or other. glitches happen.
This would not permit those sort of aids to be given any longer to assist people in bio creations as editing of other's works would now cease. Both good and bad?
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The biggest obstacle about this wouldn't be moving everything over. That's just simple copy+paste. It would actually be creating an infobox that would look good and accurate for RP, while at the same time creating a special form for people to fill out for the infobox and work well.
For example, there's a part I and II sub-section for some sections of our current infobox. SL doesn't really have a part I or II at all, as for as I know.
And I believe some pages do require some moderation approval for editing, such as some rules, guideline, Tailed Beast pages, etc.
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I don't really see the need to migrate everything from one site to the other. The only issues have been the tailed beast list which can be solved by not having one. They were voided so the list is meaningless anyway. Sometimes the claimed list creates issues so if we want to make a new site just for that sure knock yourself out?
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Ok...it has taken me one hour to transfer all the photos from my page alone, to copy paste the text, and to publish.
As you can see, so far...the info text box is nonfunctional as are my photos within that sections which serve as avatars. Additionally, I will now have to create a page for each and every red/dead link on the new site before it is complete.
Within the infobox are countless jutsu pages that will also have to be created, jutsu headers that have to be created, and the KG icon for my Hizashigan that has to be created...special note...I can't do that period. I don't know how to do icons for KG or clans that fit into the info box, Kage had to do that...it take a program I do not have.
I anticipate a full week on my page alone in order to get it to be what it already is. I do understand that over time these pages will be created and so the dead links, the jutsu listings for the info box, will all one day come to be created.
But I do hope this demonstrates it is no small task...much more than copy paste and ta da we are done.
http://shinobi-legends.wikia.com/wiki/Kayenta_Moenkopi (http://shinobi-legends.wikia.com/wiki/Kayenta_Moenkopi)
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Hey, as it turns out there is a process in place for wiki's where the staff goes inactive. It's called "adopting" the wiki.
http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Adoption_requests
So let's just do that instead of making an all new site.
Since there is more than one active member we are supposed to make a discussion post on the wiki for the Wiki Overlords to see and let it run for a week. If we can meet a consensus then the admin rights will be transferred to a new person and we don't need to make a new anything.
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:15168
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Gonna pitch a curve ball here.
What about the original and official Shinobi Legends Wiki? Any way we just use that to make it all official and what not hosted by the actual site and apply RP sections so players can create profiles and game-related topics and pages? I think that's also a nice idea to throw out there. Instead of just making a whole new wikia, making 3 total wikia's that are shinobi legends related. Needless to say it was already mentioned that by moving to a new one, those who aren't 'up with the times' might continually go to the former and be outdated with what is currently going on. The adoption thought sounds good, I think whoever is up for the task at hand to regulate and moderate the wikia to a community consensus should go ahead and try to get this going. We need a good sweep around here with the whole he said she said conspiracy theories.
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Gonna pitch a curve ball here.
What about the original and official Shinobi Legends Wiki? Any way we just use that to make it all official and what not hosted by the actual site and apply RP sections so players can create profiles and game-related topics and pages? I think that's also a nice idea to throw out there. Instead of just making a whole new wikia, making 3 total wikia's that are shinobi legends related. Needless to say it was already mentioned that by moving to a new one, those who aren't 'up with the times' might continually go to the former and be outdated with what is currently going on. The adoption thought sounds good, I think whoever is up for the task at hand to regulate and moderate the wikia to a community consensus should go ahead and try to get this going. We need a good sweep around here with the whole he said she said conspiracy theories.
Would need to have a segragated area for RP, but that's an interesting take on things. Additionally, we might would need approval from whoever manages it (I presume Neji) to make edits.
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Adoption of Yumei's profiles would be cool. And why not have Kamui do that? So much easier.
I took today off, been trying to move Suna village pages over and it is taking forever. Have to finish a commissioned avatar this week. Hopefully tonight!
anyway...I vote for adoption!
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Adoption of Yumei's profiles would be cool. And why not have Kamui do that? So much easier.
I took today off, been trying to move Suna village pages over and it is taking forever. Have to finish a commissioned avatar this week. Hopefully tonight!
anyway...I vote for adoption!
You should chime in on the profile wiki page I linked then. The wiki overlords want there to be a discussion about who admin rights should go to if there is more than one active person on the wiki.
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The wiki always gave me a headache and seemed pointless. I tried to use it but never could really get into it. Plus it always gave my phone trouble trying to load. However, I do wish you guys luck in figuring this out. It is infact a big part of many rpers here at SL so I'm glad it is being adressed.
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However, I do wish you guys luck in figuring this out. It is infact a big part of many rpers here at SL so I'm glad it is being adressed.
Exactly. There's nothing wrong with it right now other than the fact that it is completely the Wild West. If a few staff members could enforce basic behavior there would be no issue.
Kamui is right that something needed to be done about it, I just thought making a whole new wiki from scratch was a lot of work that did not need to be done. Which is what lead me to investigate whether someone else could become admin of an inactive wiki. So within a few weeks this should all be settled.
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so I posted to the wikia thread. If we can keep it and get an unbiased admin, I am for it. If not...let's get over it or jump ship. whatever. At this point I just want it over.
I posted I feel the only page locked should be the claimed list and/or bijuu list...people can submit their requests to those pages in comments/discussions to have the Admin edit in. If there is a discrepancy then it can be dealt with in a civil manner though discussion before a decision is made on the request. I feel all other access on the wikia should remain open to everyone.
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I feel like this is just going to be us repeating what we said on the wiki topic. >.>
I agree that the bijuu list should be locked for staff only. Just nip that in the bud.
Have the claims really caused similar fighting though? I only remember that happening a couple times.
I suppose we'll see if other people think that should be locked too. Personally I'd say no as it is edited with much more frequency than the bijuu list.
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It would be nice if there's some kind of 'tutorial/guide' in setting up your profile in those wikia pages.
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It would be nice if there's some kind of 'tutorial/guide' in setting up your profile in those wikia pages.
I vaguely remember some kind of sample bio page existing for people to learn with but I dont think it is very openly displayed. It might be linked off Yumei's profile or something, or on the forum of the wiki.
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Choose to transfer --> Kamui as Admin
Choose to adopt --> Kamui as Admin
;)
Makes it easier for communication from a staff perspective. <.<
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Choose to transfer --> Kamui as Admin
Choose to adopt --> Kamui as Admin
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Makes it easier for communication from a staff perspective. <.<
I'd have to agree with Sabumaru's post on the wiki and say that asking Kamui to be a mod on SL and on the forum and an Admin on the wiki is really just asking him to spread himself too thin. Definitely burning the candle on both ends.
That's why I was one of the people to humbly offer to be admin. We can only ask the good staff on SL to do so much for us. Having a separate set of staff just for the wiki would be much more effective, in my opinion.
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Well, it is not like Kamui is the only mod here on the forum, and with the biju issues settling down there has been less to moderate as of late. Additionally, there is a possibility of there being more than one mod for the wikia, so him being one of the mods does not seem like an excessive load. Him being the only one, though, does seem like quite the work.
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Well, it is not like Kamui is the only mod here on the forum, and with the biju issues settling down there has been less to moderate as of late. Additionally, there is a possibility of there being more than one mod for the wikia, so him being one of the mods does not seem like an excessive load. Him being the only one, though, does seem like quite the work.
Certainly true. Currently myself and three others have offered to be admin. So it does not seem unreasonable that whichever are not picked to be admin could be moderators. 4 staff members doesn't seem like an excessive number to me.
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I would assume that Kamui making his own Wikia and bringing this project into consideration would mean he feels he can serve in both capacities as a wikia admin and SL mod. I don't know the availability he has with respect to time and how much is too much. I would prefer there be several mods though as to aid in upkeep and to serve as people who are willing to devote their time to helping others about the wikia.
It makes sense to me though that the claimed page be excluded from locking if it is not where our current issue lies.
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To my understanding this is a time sensitive issue. Please go out and inform people to comment so that we get enough votes going on there for the Wikia People to make a Decision on on the adoption issue for a new admin. Considering the number of contributors on the wikia, I assume that a large number of voters is required in order to be awarded a new Admin, whoever wins the vote.
please include this link in your spamming of the SL community.
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:15168 (http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:15168)
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Here's a few things to consider.
As we know, the profile wiki has always been the unofficial but popular wiki site to create profiles from existing templates, or even brand new ones. But if this becomes acknowledged as the site's official wiki, what comes with that? Consequences of harassment or banning come to mind at first. Like, if someone is temp banned or permanently banned on the SL and/or forums, would they be banned from the wiki as well? I understand that access to one's intellectual property could become an issue if they can never access it.
Also, do we have anybody that is proficient at not only coding with HTML and Wikitext, but also image editing as well? Knowledge of both are also a required skill for editing SVG files. A an open-source program like Inkscape helps with that if you can't afford Adobe Illustrator, and it's available for Windows, Mac and GNU/Linux distributions. But even that program takes a bit of practice to use.
https://inkscape.org/en/
There's also the hound-dogging we'll have to do to ensure that all pages that have been copy+pasted from the Naruto Wiki are tagged accordingly to acknowledge their original contribution source, since we almost got into a bit of trouble a while back because we weren't before. That's why the <AN> tag was made. The copyright and legal stuff gets pretty deep in certain cases such as images used from the manga, anime and other official productions from the copyright holders. Especially with the TPP having been a very hot topic in which it can actually influence whether or not we could use them, or even have a wiki at all. We would have to be kept on our toes on any sort of DMCA notifications the Naruto Wiki receives, since that can also apply to us as well. Jimmy Wales can only rely on the current copyright and fair-use laws so much.
I'm not trying to sound skeptical, but Yumei had to learn a lot to make the wiki how it is in the first place. We've only been thinking about how great it would be to be in control of it, but we've been glossing over the responsibilities of running it.
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I hope you posted that to the wikia thread discussion on adoption.
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Kamui:
quoted from the wikia
Gamemasters and their Lead Gamemaster are going to be the ones in charge of moderating the role plays aspect of the game itself.
What does this mean?
I would have posted this in the GM thread I made but it was merged with the one that is supposed to be just for making nominations...and the other one is locked. Discussing that on the wikia discussion seemed off topic.
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I know I'm a bit late to the party here, but I think adoption of the old wiki site would be best. Personally, I don't agree with the 'having one person in charge from each village' idea because as of late I've been extremely busy with work and haven't really been able to visit here as much as I used to be able to. So if I were the person in charge, for example, that means that in the days I'm gone because of life reasons could be days that people are waiting for things to get approved.
I don't think an approval should be necessary to post something, but there should be a group of people who are looking through as an after-the-fact kind of thing just to make sure nothing's wrong and to see if there's any changes that require attention (like when people delete whole pages and ask mods to remove said page).
And while I agree with the fact that older pages that haven't been touched with barely any information should be possibly pruned. I'll post some examples I find just by doing random page.
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Matt_Ito - Last update June 2014
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Something_or_other - August 2012
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Kaizer - July 2014
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Kaizu_Ankoku - March 2013
Pages like that don't really offer much at all as far as information goes and seem to be just forgotten by people who used to be here. That's why I think that once something is decided and someone might get put in charge of the wiki, they can go through and tidy it up. I'm sure many of the 3099 pages that are there right now don't need to be there.
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I think that the only one that I see which holds no information at all is the 'Something or Other'. We have no real Idea is the owners of those other pages find them useful or the people that they used to hand with do either. And such judgments should be avoided as their existing and being left alone really hurts no one.
what I feel would be useful is an index. I want to click Suna Warriors and see a page with the names of all of them listed in ABS order. No a search that lists each name and page separately.
like this...
http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Men (http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Men)
narutopedia used to have them for jutsu and things but a quick search just now reveled those lists no longer exist for some reason, i keep getting redirected to special pages which is less than useful.
But a table of contents or something?
--> holy cow. I think I might need glasses or a key board where the printed letters are not all worn off.
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*gets 50 emails from the wiki for "Kayenta modified this page"* >>;
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Well?
I had time on my hands and in 2 days Yomi and I added tags to all the character bios for male and female.
I only screwed up twice. Do you think Angra Mainyu will be upset with me for listing him as female?
And this is why I should not be the Admin. But when we get one they can fix it, right?
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I had no idea the wiki was essentially unmanned this whole time. Kinda impressive it's not totally messed up, honestly.