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[Rusaku]

I am reading through all of this, and while I will not be going into explicit detail, I will say this: Eric, in my opinion, is in the right.

The only note I will make to elaborate on my decision, despite the many I could make, is that if her armor did not activate upon the initial exposure to Shadow imitation techniques, then it would not activate when being exposed to Shadow techniques later. By definition of her own armor, and how it was utilized, it's abilities are passive. Thus Eric's techniques would have been affected before this particular assault would have happened, alerting him to the armors secrets long ago.

So, Eric is retaining my aforementioned vote. 

[Becquerel]

I didn't know that walking into the shadow realm was a shadow jutsu in its own right. I figured it was just like walking through a doorway and into a dark room. I guess that would mean that it's in the right, unless the armor was always active from that point on. But if it gets activated from shadows, then would walking under the shade of a tree activate it too? Because the shadow realm thing doesn't exactly work like the shadow hell technique. Sure, it's similar, but there's just too much up in the air.
I say they're both at fault. Plus, regardless of who dies/gets hurt/etc, all you have to do is just find a way to write your character back into the game. It is a game, after all. We can't forget that.

[Warren]

Believe I already said before its not difficult at all to make jutsus and the like that respond only to danger, hostility, et cetera. Chakra can do quite a lot in that regard after all, bearing intents, feelings, all kinds of things, sometimes so potently even non sensors can feel it from afar (sasuke picking up kakashi's killing intent during zabuza encounter).

So one armor activating in response to hostile shadow things, especially when Eric himself "programs" his shadows to do far more ridiculous, very specific things on their own without any input needed from him, is nothing.

[Rusaku]

Believe I already said before its not difficult at all to make jutsus and the like that respond only to danger, hostility, et cetera. Chakra can do quite a lot in that regard after all, bearing intents, feelings, all kinds of things, sometimes so potently even non sensors can feel it from afar (sasuke picking up kakashi's killing intent during zabuza encounter).

So one armor activating in response to hostile shadow things, especially when Eric himself "programs" his shadows to do far more ridiculous, very specific things on their own without any input needed from him, is nothing.

Ok, but did she do that?

I don't really see anywhere where it states that it only activates to Shadow imitation techniques that are used with the intent to kill. I feel as if that would be a pretty important detail to add when in concern to something like this.

[Suishou Koji]

'This metal spun so fine as to be the diameter of thread, then woven into her garments, was infused with her chakra and the shadow manipulation jutsu to prevent attack by another Nara.'

It prevents an instant takeover of the body. She went into the realm willingly, by her own humanly choice. The armor reacted when Eric tried to shadow imitated Neala.

And I'm quite sure I read that right so no need for me to say, "Assuming I got that right." 

[Eric]

Believe I already said before its not difficult at all to make jutsus and the like that respond only to danger, hostility, et cetera. Chakra can do quite a lot in that regard after all, bearing intents, feelings, all kinds of things, sometimes so potently even non sensors can feel it from afar (sasuke picking up kakashi's killing intent during zabuza encounter)...

It's not like Eric is exuding killing intent here, his first and foremost mission was to turn Neala's head in order to prevent his entire body from being melted head to toe as was her original objective: such was stated in the post. Killing her would have been "best case scenario", which is normally interpreted as no resistance given.

'This metal spun so fine as to be the diameter of thread, then woven into her garments, was infused with her chakra and the shadow manipulation jutsu to prevent attack by another Nara.'

It prevents an instant takeover of the body.

"Prevents takeover" is not what that statement states. It prevents an "attack" by another Nara, which is far more ambiguous than bodily takeover. What defines attack cannot be restricted just to bodily control.

The armor reacted when Eric tried to shadow imitated Neala.

So one armor activating in response to hostile shadow things, especially when Eric himself "programs" his shadows to do far more ridiculous, very specific things on their own without any input needed from him, is nothing.

First of all, we are still talking about very different skill levels of shadow imitation here. Very different levels. Second of all, the input is already given beforehand, and can be viewed independently of a post (unless specified in detail in-post, which I don't recall doing)""

http://slsociety.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,2144.msg26863.html

- One variation causing shadow spikes to emit. As they are quick and usually unexpected, they are capable of doing serious damage.
-A second varient wraps the shadow quickly around the opponent, quickly both binding and suffocating the opponent if left unchecked.
-A third varient is an entirely new technique, and traps the victim inside the shadow hell prison.
-A fourth varient merely binds the opponent for a certain amount of time.
-A fifth merely communicates the motion back to the original technique user, allowing it to also be used as a detection system.

Third, I possess the Shadow Seal (of my own creation) that gives me a more intimate connection with my shadow:

Shadow Seal- Located on the nape of the left side of his neck, it is shaped like a compass. Allows the wearer to pass through the gate of shadows by intimately connecting the bearer to their shadow. This also allows for additional ease of use of the shadow imitation techniques. Another version of lesser effect, dubbed "minor" is based on this original "master" design in shape, although it gives a bearer less capablilites than the "master" and is typically found on weapons of Eric's choice, which he uses to open remote gates of shadows.

[Trev]

I have no opinion on whose right, but it pretty much comes down to whose custom jutsu/item outdoes the other one. Since this is custom stuff, we can't not answer it with manga evidence, therefore.

You guys can continue to get the communities opinion, which is split and just really causes arguing to no avail.

Or get an independent arbitrator (Judge) that both of you consent to, to make a decision. Which is much quicker, easier, and less messy of a solution.

[Hazama]

So I doubt my opinion is going to change anyone's minds, especially because I'm about to admit to only have read people's comments and the quotes from them, not the actual posts. It's a just a lot to read after work.

But if it is coming down to whether or not the armor can protect... Well >> I'm confused. I've read quotes that say the armor is only protecting against basic Nara Techniques.

If that's the case, then whatever Eric tried to do to kill or capture(whatever) Neala, would work o.o Because...
Well, if you are a Acad using Raiton, you can't do jack. If you are a master of Raiton, lets say you shoot lightning out your hands.
Then there's the Raikage, who has claim-age over handing your ass to you with Raiton.
Eric is the Raikage to our Nara. His techniques aren't basic, even the original techniques. I mean, basic is also very vague. But Eric is like the god of Nara >>; If there's a shadow, that mo-fo can be it's pimp xD

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On another note, this is in the Shadow Realm, right? o.o Wouldn't her armor had activated before hand, then? I may be wrong, it is Eric's technique, but I'm pretty sure that's some shadow manipulation and usage right there... But, looking at it from the other side, if it really is ONLY  basic techniques, the Shadow Realm is pretty advanced...

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Another thing I wanted to point out... You know, just for irony's sake >> Didn't Neala JUST learn Yoton release IC, like, ten minutes? How is she already shooting out Yoton moves? And, if she didn't actually spit this Yoton out her mouth, after having to use handseals and stuff, did it come out the ground? Because... Well, in a Realm of Nothing but shadows, that doesn't even make sense >>;

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And finally, I love both Kay and Eric o: So I hope this gets settled out with no one being butt hurt <3 Nothing awkward than two friends not liking each other.

[KayentaMoenkopi]

So basically what I am seeing some people say is that because Eric is SL's Nara God, Neala can't possibly have made an armor that would protect her against any Nara attack he would make, that her armor had to prevent her from using her own Nara techs, would attempt to prevent her from even entering the Shadow Dimension, and could not possibly work the way I have created it to be.

That seriously is messed up to think that there is nothing that would force him to have to even try hard to instantly take over her body and give him immediate success in his attempt to break her neck.

Then there are those that go further to say, even if it did work in the manner it was designed to, that she would miss a 6 foot man, at her own arm's reach still in her grasp, with a full ejection of lava...as though it were a water blast and would not get him wet, rather than lava that has a temperature that would cook a person from being that close.

Talk about plot armor...

[Eric]

So basically what I am seeing some people say is that because Eric is SL's Nara God, Neala can't possibly have made an armor that would protect her against any Nara attack he would make, that her armor had to prevent her from using her own Nara techs, would attempt to prevent her from even entering the Shadow Dimension, and could not possibly work the way I have created it to be...

You forgot to include that you are in my Nara shadow dimension, where only three individuals have near as much control there as I do. If it protects against any Nara attack, then again, it should have triggered when you first entered the shadow dimension as well as now; but rather, it's triggering only now as far as the RP goes.

That seriously is messed up to think that there is nothing that would force him to have to even try hard to instantly take over her body and give him immediate success in his attempt to break her neck.

Incorrect, breaking your neck would be had you not resisted at all. Turning your head so that you don't douse me in your lava is if you were to resist, again, if you go back and read my actual, original post. All I really wanted to do was to turn your head, but the amount of force that I exert is enough to snap your neck if left unchecked.

Then there are those that go further to say, even if it did work in the manner it was designed to, that she would miss a 6 foot man, at her own arm's reach still in her grasp, with a full ejection of lava...as though it were a water blast and would not get him wet, rather than lava that has a temperature that would cook a person from being that close.

Not even in my post do I suggest that you completely and utterly miss. In my post I do still take damage from your attack, albeit, the reason for it can certainly be altered to better fit the circumstances.

[Keito Uzumaki]

Didn't really read anything but why not go halfsies? Like if this isn't the situation then don't but, Naela's Lava attempt and Erics Shadow attempt go head to head and have Naela succumb to whatever while Eric succumbs to whatever. Could make for interesting plot, have his skin and face all burned and what not, looking like He who must not be named yet lives to tell the tale! >>;

[Hitler-Chan]

I think Trev said it well. This arguing is going to go nowhere. I'd suggest grabbing a judge and the MOST impartial person I know on the site, has to be Trev, and that's cause he gives zero fucks. XD

If anyone was to mediate this, I'd suggest him, and I think the rest of the community would back me on that.

[Hazama]

I think Trev said it well. This arguing is going to go nowhere. I'd suggest grabbing a judge and the MOST impartial person I know on the site, has to be Trev, and that's cause he gives zero fucks. XD

If anyone was to mediate this, I'd suggest him, and I think the rest of the community would back me on that.

^ This.

We keep Trev around for a reason. <3

[KayentaMoenkopi]

First of all, Eric and I decided that we would be the ones to ultimately decide how this thing plays out. As stated in the initial post, we are polling for community opinions and thoughts upon the rp at hand.

Secondly, I do not feel that we are fighting or getting pissy with each other, or arguing here. WE are both simply asserting our viewpoints here in an attempt to resolve this sticky wicket. I for one am not mad at anyone and do not see this RP as something to end friendships over. I think people can relax a bit and not be so scared of public debate. I do not see Eric calling me names or being insulting, and I certainly am not acting like that to him in return. Character death sucks. When Eric killed off Yuugao, Rita incinerated her, it was quite obvious to me that it was a legit death. So she is dead. There was no freak out of hate going on there or any resentment about that in the least. Given, Yuugao was not my main. So I do understand this situation is a bit more traumatic and serious. THAT is why it is being discussed.

Thirdly, I personally don't want Eric dead. I hate character death. It is a waste. But I also do not like being treated like I have no ability to get stuff done in the manner I have laid it out. I truly feel this is a valid rp. Neala does not want Eric dead either, but she feels she has been backed into a corner. Her last attempt to turn Eric away from Akatsuki has failed and so she must save her people from this powerful enemy. Should she walk away from this alive, she will not do so unscathed. There are some very dark times ahead for her. This man raised her and is the only family she has. She can no longer make excuses for him throwing in with the Akatsuki who have committed genocide upon her people in 2 separate occasions and then held a festival to recruit more members, serving up stew made from the bodies of the villagers. Eric told her, "Your intentions and your words, they do not match. You intend to convince me to defect, but you desire me to show that I am willing to protect those I care about. I cannot do both." And she has been refusing to see it for a long time, but she too cannot continue to do both.

Athos:

Another thing I wanted to point out... You know, just for irony's sake >> Didn't Neala JUST learn Yoton release IC, like, ten minutes?

I think I already talked about the Yoton. Let me get that for you...From reply #8 in this topic thread
Eric has previously also called to attention that Neala just recently activated her lava release and should not be able to perform in this manner. However, I also feel this is in error. She had not just activated her lava release. She has demonstrated its awakening powers in Eric's very presence months ago when he came to her forge and 'escort' her to see Mushizo at the Kage Building. She was literally seething with emotion and her very feet melted the stones where she stood. Additionally, for months on end, she has been working with the lava release during the smelting and forging process while creating the metal balls for Sabu's weapon. Her attempts to work with it skillfully were being hampered by her unwillingness to craft a weapon for the Akatsuki Cannibal who ate her people. Miyuu's recent attack upon her person simply removed that inhibition Neala was experiencing by making her face a life and death situation. One of the best motivations I know. It is quite reasonable to have the activation of her KG be tied to her emotional state. We see Haku as a mere child kill his father and a whole mob of warriors after the emotional trauma of his mother's murder at the hands of his father. And at that point he had not even mastered his KG. Uchiha doujutsu are also tied to traumatic events. Neala is no child but a young woman who has been manipulating elemental jutsu for as long as she can recall, her memory of early child hood being repressed due to the unknown events of the war between Konoha and Iwa where Eric found her upon the battlefield with amnesia.
Additionally, she did manipulate all that lava Miyuu threw at her into the river so it would not run into the village.

Eric:

You forgot to include that you are in my Nara shadow dimension, where only three individuals have near as much control there as I do. If it protects against any Nara attack, then again, it should have triggered when you first entered the shadow dimension as well as now; but rather, it's triggering only now as far as the RP goes.

See, the huge point of the armor creation was to make it useful. I will say it again, It does not protect her against all Nara techs. If it did inhibit everything coming and going, she would not be able to use her own. And why create something that prevents the user from activating her own powers? The fact is, I did not.  People can say it a million times, well she should not have been able to step into the shadow realm or use her powers if she has that armor, and I will continue to say...this is not what the armor does. I am its creator. I made it to have conditional triggers. Walking into the Nara Shadow Realm of her own free will is not one of the techs that triggers her defense. Using her own powers is not something that triggers her own defense. Standing in the shade of a tree or under an umbrella will not trigger her own defense either. I hope this clarifies the gross misconception that is going on and the need of others to define what her armor does and force me to accept it with limiters it simply does not have. And it does have limiters. But not those ones that people are trying to say exist there.

• Look at space time jutsu barriers that let the people who are part of the village use them but prevent foreigners from doing so. That is a conditional, self activating defense for the village. This is no different.
• I did not forget that she is in your Shadow Realm. So what? It is still your power she has to have defense against in or out of the realm, you are still the one using it against her. Becquerel already listed places where people were defeated on their own stomping grounds.  And as for Kabuto not being master of the cave as long as Eric has been master of the shadow realm goes, Again I say so what? It is a valid example where home field advantage is not an immediate success. And let me remind you, that Kabuto learned things that even Orochimaru, who was more powerful and had studied much longer than Kabuto in the snake ways, could not figure out for all his power and years in training. So that example should not be so offhandedly dismissed as irrelevant. Being stronger than your opponent and being in your own back yard is not an immediate win, someone else can still get the drop on you for all your strength and perks.

Eric:

Incorrect, breaking your neck would be had you not resisted at all. Turning your head so that you don't douse me in your lava is if you were to resist, again, if you go back and read my actual, original post. All I really wanted to do was to turn your head, but the amount of force that I exert is enough to snap your neck if left unchecked.

• I thought the whole deal here was that you are more powerful than me so resistance was futile. But here you say I could resist and avoid getting my neck broke, just getting it turned. Well that was before you knew I had the armor defense. These best[worst] and worst[best] case scenarios listed in your post from the rp. So here it is, without the aid of her armor she can somehow resist the Head of the Nara Clan in his own Shadow Dimension...but not with the armor?
• And something else, When I was taking Tae Kwon Do, the Masters could check their moves, the force with which the struck,  or even halt the strike to just hover right before your face. This one day the Master used a falling axe kick type move, from over head, right down upon my head. I didn't even feel it. But that move if not restrained could have not only floored me but knocked me out cold or broken my neck. Are you saying that Eric, a Master in Nara techs, and head of our clan, could not restrain his attempt to twist my neck to only neck twisting? That it would have neck snapping force, if that was not his intended purpose?

Anyway, Keito makes an interesting suggestion. Should Eric be dead, Neala would not just pop back out of the shadow realm. She would have one heck of a time trying to figure out how. And figure out how before her trail rations that she is carrying run out.

However if Eric does admit death, I would be willing to void the rp in exchange for one where she does talk him round to her cause, he would forever forsake Akatskui and join the resistance. Under the condition that if he ever betrayed them, all bets would be off and he would be dead IC.

OR, perhaps some partial disaster for them both could occur. But I am not willing to say Neala, just because she is weaker than Eric, can't ever get the upper hand on him. Or that she dies, when I feel she has killed him. Some scenario where we both suffer, both move on...

I don't know, and this is just far fetched spit-balling...brain storming.

What if there was a partial neck turn, We get some backing up of the pressure of the ejection damage to Neala...perhaps a blow out at her collar bone, Eric gets a fountain spray rather than a jetstream, sever body burns, he summons Rita and passes out. Neala's gaping wound is cauterized and she passes out. Rita takes them both out of the Shadow Dimension to be healed...not by Akatsuki...I do not believe she would turn Neala over to them...and upon healing, they deal with the dysfunctional family aspect of things?

OR something else?

[Hitler-Chan]

Well I am not ever one to be agreeable, but that last part Kayenta wrote actually sounds pretty fair.

If you guys wanna argue the legitimacy of what would have happened, give more details about your custom techs, and try again later xD who cares.

All I know is, I agree with the compromise Kayenta wrote at the end of her last post. >_> I am going to be clear:

"What if there was a partial neck turn, We get some backing up of the pressure of the ejection damage to Neala...perhaps a blow out at her collar bone, Eric gets a fountain spray rather than a jetstream, sever body burns, he summons Rita and passes out. Neala's gaping wound is cauterized and she passes out. Rita takes them both out of the Shadow Dimension to be healed...not by Akatsuki...I do not believe she would turn Neala over to them...and upon healing, they deal with the dysfunctional family aspect of things?"

That part >_>