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[Rusaku]

I just figured a proactive approach would be better than sitting back and complaining.

[Bocchiere]

@Bocc: The rules made in the current SL are useless. Why? There's no one to enforce those rules. What's going to happen to someone who disobeys that rule? Nothing.

In this verse, rules will mean something because someone is enforcing it.

Unless you're making a whole new site like Shadow has been trying to I don't see how. That is why I mentioned, "That's great but that's not really any different than now. There's a set of rules you have (or will have in this case) that will make everything great if they're followed and/or not abused and no real power beyond "We won't play with you." to enforce them. Which is no different than the bijuu rules."

How is that any different than the bijuu rules no one wants to follow or everyone takes advantage of? "Oh well we won't rp with them then." Ok but that's what we do now. We take their bijuu and say they won't be acknowledged as Jinchuriki anymore. That doesn't stop people from abusing and/or breaking the rules.

@Rusaku

Like I mentioned then. List what other rules you think need to be cleared up. Let's fix it up and see if anyone else thinks fixing needs to be done. Like I said I'm not clear on what non-bijuu rules you think need to be changed, it can't be just the Bunshin making a new universe for that would be kinda over the top.

[Warren]

You may wish to stop to consider what exactly you're trying to do here for a moment.

First off if you're looking to just make a more generalized set of rules like a guide for more formal fights, general village workings, bijuu crap etc, then forget about the whole 'storyline' thing and line out what exactly you plan to put into it. If its to be an uniform thing anybody can check out, think about what a new person could ask about and have trouble with, not what's currently pissing you off personally, and try put its contents in sensible order.

If its instead meant to be a storyline, history or whatever you wish to call it, forget about the rules and get a new name like general SL history or some such. SL is far from perfect canon, it has same roots but it includes a whole lot of filler and non-naruto elements as well, no matter whether one likes it or not, so the 'official' route is not going to work. Needless to say even if you don't want to exclude anyone, to try nail down one and only "official" history, saying this is the one and only true thing that happened, is exactly that; you're basically saying only you are right, nobody else counts, even if you try word it nicely.

For storyline what you'll want to do, is include ONLY the details everyone can agree on. For example, origin of chakra; shinju happens, fruit eaten by kaguya, goes nuts, sealed by her kids, they spread chakra out into the world. Simple enough.

And then you'll leave the rest open, excludes nobody and leaves things far richer than trying to iron out every goddamn detail. For example the al-kahtar from suna? It's not canon so people can ignore it if they so wish, but if they do wish to acknowledge it then it opens an entire new historical period for people that predates even kaguya's arrival.

Short and simple? Make just a base for people, say here's what we know for certain happened, and anything not on here is up to your own interpretation. Its kind of like giving people the base game, and letting them pick their own expansions to it.

[Genesis]

@Bocc: The rules made in the current SL are useless. Why? There's no one to enforce those rules. What's going to happen to someone who disobeys that rule? Nothing.

In this verse, rules will mean something because someone is enforcing it.

Unless you're making a whole new site like Shadow has been trying to I don't see how. That is why I mentioned, "That's great but that's not really any different than now. There's a set of rules you have (or will have in this case) that will make everything great if they're followed and/or not abused and no real power beyond "We won't play with you." to enforce them. Which is no different than the bijuu rules."

How is that any different than the bijuu rules no one wants to follow or everyone takes advantage of? "Oh well we won't rp with them then." Ok but that's what we do now. We take their bijuu and say they won't be acknowledged as Jinchuriki anymore. That doesn't stop people from abusing and/or breaking the rules.

The difference is that the roleplayer is opting-in. They're allowing themselves to fall under the law. Sure, if they don't obey it, then the mods will act justly, but it's better than arguing to the point of now return.

We're doing something different, because what's going on now isn't clearly working.

You may wish to stop to consider what exactly you're trying to do here for a moment.

First off if you're looking to just make a more generalized set of rules like a guide for more formal fights, general village workings, bijuu crap etc, then forget about the whole 'storyline' thing and line out what exactly you plan to put into it. If its to be an uniform thing anybody can check out, think about what a new person could ask about and have trouble with, not what's currently pissing you off personally, and try put its contents in sensible order.

If its instead meant to be a storyline, history or whatever you wish to call it, forget about the rules and get a new name like general SL history or some such. SL is far from perfect canon, it has same roots but it includes a whole lot of filler and non-naruto elements as well, no matter whether one likes it or not, so the 'official' route is not going to work. Needless to say even if you don't want to exclude anyone, to try nail down one and only "official" history, saying this is the one and only true thing that happened, is exactly that; you're basically saying only you are right, nobody else counts, even if you try word it nicely.

For storyline what you'll want to do, is include ONLY the details everyone can agree on. For example, origin of chakra; shinju happens, fruit eaten by kaguya, goes nuts, sealed by her kids, they spread chakra out into the world. Simple enough.

And then you'll leave the rest open, excludes nobody and leaves things far richer than trying to iron out every goddamn detail. For example the al-kahtar from suna? It's not canon so people can ignore it if they so wish, but if they do wish to acknowledge it then it opens an entire new historical period for people that predates even kaguya's arrival.

Short and simple? Make just a base for people, say here's what we know for certain happened, and anything not on here is up to your own interpretation. Its kind of like giving people the base game, and letting them pick their own expansions to it.

I think I dig that more. But reason we made a "new" reality is because two sets of rules governing the same verse can't co-exist with each other, I think.

[Becquerel]

We're doing something different, because what's going on now isn't clearly working.

That can be subjective though. I've been enjoying myself quite a bit, and have a few things going on with my character right now. One thing I have planned and am currently working on, a lot of people here on the forums might not agree with but I'm gonna do it anyway. The people that want to play along with it, are more than welcome to and I know it won't cater to everyone.

But I do like Warren's idea of a general consensus on history whether it's world-wide or village history. At least so people can kind of read it and pick their character up from there. The whole base game-expansion example was pretty fitting, I think. The history would be good just so you know what's where, but that's also what the wiki pages are for. For example, when I started playing I knew I would start in Suna or Konoha. Konoha was really inactive and slow (and nobody notice me lol) so I went to Suna. I didn't really know much about Suna until someone mentioned the wiki. I checked it out and learned about the places in Suna and was able to paint a picture in my head. But I didn't know that Suna was once destroyed. And while that info might not be useful to me, it's nice to know that info to possibly build characters upon it. Like the Police Force members page. I have backstories for most of them even though they may never reveal their backstories...But it helps me keep their personality in mind as I build them

[Genesis]

We're doing something different, because what's going on now isn't clearly working.

That can be subjective though. I've been enjoying myself quite a bit, and have a few things going on with my character right now. One thing I have planned and am currently working on, a lot of people here on the forums might not agree with but I'm gonna do it anyway. The people that want to play along with it, are more than welcome to and I know it won't cater to everyone.

But I do like Warren's idea of a general consensus on history whether it's world-wide or village history. At least so people can kind of read it and pick their character up from there. The whole base game-expansion example was pretty fitting, I think.

I was talking about bijuu when I said that part.

Correct me if I'm wrong Warren, but is it basically, we start from the very beginning and start from there? I mean, that throws away the "filler" idea, lol.

[Warren]

Simple fix really, all you'd have to do is mention before kaguya's appearance was the times of endless warring states and whatever, that not much besides that is known of back then, and voila. Leaves even 'pre-history' open for people to play around with to some degree.

[Genesis]

Simple fix really, all you'd have to do is mention before kaguya's appearance was the times of endless warring states and whatever, that not much besides that is known of back then, and voila. Leaves even 'pre-history' open for people to play around with to some degree.

I dig that alot. Talk about going back to your roots.

[KayentaMoenkopi]

The intention of this is so we can have an actual set of rules that people cannot argue, or claim are simple suggestions. We are not trying to exclude anyone from RP, in any facet. The "Filler" Label is using terminology that people are familiar with, and can easily understand when used in such context.

An example might be of use here.

Yujo and Kage with their 8 tails debacle. If say Kage were to join the Cannon, and Yujo did not, we would still accept Yujo as having a version of the beast. Though, instead of recognizing it as a legitimate beast, we look at is as a knock off.

What i mean by that is Yujo can still use his version of the beast in our RP, but we will rationalize it as a pseudo beast, and the entire RP will be looked at as "Optional" To include in our characters story. Much like how Utakata's interaction with Naruto was a filler storyline, yet in the cannon amine they addressed their previous meeting as if it actually happened.

We do not wish to exclude anyone from being able to RP here.

if this is the intent, then please... make Yujo's beast a pseudo beast and leave the rest of SL out of plans to bring them in line with rules.

Outside of that your idea scares the hell out of me. basically what is going to happens is like with SLS...if I don't opt in...then I don't get to rp with the people I want to rp with and will be ignored. Additionally, you will just decide that everything I ever did here was shit and is now void. Accept Al-Kahtar or not, the whole village of Suna took refuge in their ruins during war time. SO what, now its downgraded to just a hole in the ground? Well there is not point in me even continuing to stay here really is there?

not likely. Just tear it all up cause you can't agree on the basic rules of rp.

god I hate having to continuously restate these.

1] no god modding
2] no retro posting
3] no metagaming
4] no attack on an entry post
5] no successful escape all in one exit post

What more do you need? Oh geesh...look at that person over there doing that and having fun. QUICK KILL IT!!!!

DO you know I have people who are scared to approach the village cause they don't know if that is in the rules? Do you know I also have people who are afraid to take items they purchase while in the village with them cause it also might be against the rules. And these are the BRAVE people who dare to try and rp in public! GOD PLEASE STOP!!!

[UettoSenju]

I find it funny how you guys think you can actually enforce rules here that Neji and staff don't make themselves.

You can make rules to you are blue in the face and call it whatever you want but you will just be aiding into the same cycle that as caused trouble for the most part at SL.

The only way you could enforce these rules would be within a Clan Hall. Where you could boot people from the clan who don't folow you to the 'T'.

You guys can do what you want but you'll will just have to call the other 90% of us filler.

[Warren]

Perhaps letting them see what they can make with my tips first would be prudent, if they choose to follow either of them, before just lynching them outright.

[KayentaMoenkopi]

sure. why not just push me further into the dark. I will just hush now. have at it boys. confine us to your heart's content.

[Warren]

Nobody's hushing or pushing you to any darks or brights at the matter. My two tips were specifically how to make either thing without confining/excluding/anythinging people, and its up to them whether to try use them or just do their own thing, and up to others whether whether to follow whatever they do come up with in the end.

[Mei]

I'm confused. I thought this was the start of creating something like 'Rules for Roleplay' kind of thing. What does history have to do with it? o.o
It was even mentioned that it's optional to add that 'filler RP' into your character's history anyway.

I am curious to see what kind of rules that are thinking but maybe it's bad to call them rules, but instead 'guidelines'? Whatever.

Some of you do make a good point though. See a group of opt-out were to set up an RP event that's kinda widespread throughout the village, can you really call it 'filler' (especially if the kage of the village is also one of the opt-out)? >.>

god I hate having to continuously restate these.

1] no god modding
2] no retro posting
3] no metagaming
4] no attack on an entry post
5] no successful escape all in one exit post

I can live with that.

[Eric]

... god I hate having to continuously restate these.

1] no god modding
2] no retro posting
3] no metagaming
4] no attack on an entry post
5] no successful escape all in one exit post...

I have little doubt that your god understands your pain, but 1-3 on this list are ambigious in Shinobilegends. Different RP groups have their own interpretation of what is god-modding, retroposting, etc. That whole debacle with Masane and Yujo is a painting of what I'm talking about in that regard. You have to keep sounding like a broken record because what comes out is arguable, debatable.

A majority of the rules should probably stay how they were as well. What we would really be focusing on are the problem areas like Biju. Some other suggestions I have are things that people seems to get confused like action limits when it comes to clones and Summons. Some people say they get their own set of actions, others say they need to be shared with the users. If something like this were to pass, we would sit down and iron out the loopholes.

Like we have said, if people join, they are choosing to abide by the rules.

As Bocc has already stated, that has kind of already been the way things have been. Even those who opt in and choose to abide by the rules implicitly by joining may not always follow the rules. You kick them, strip them, or whatever until you have only those who will follow said rules being involved.

A practical implementation detail would be to have this group be a clan, with clearly identifiable tags and identity. Actually physical and spiritually make a distinction, a separation. The heads are easily identified by clan rank, members of said RP group are easily identified by the clan tag. Lay out the law in the clan halls and any accompanying support material (I.E, wikias or the sort) and give public need-to-know information in the description.

Make it so that in no uncertain terms those who join know what he/she is signing up for. If necessary, have a complete re-casting of the jinchurikii list (if you cannot get any current jinchs to join you), the kage list, etc. You might could even consider "starting  over" to some extent, if you want a historical aspect to be added to this.


*P.S

Now would probably be an ideal time to whip back out those nerfed character guidelines what's his name (I think it was Shadow) made awhile back, and even the more recent Snap guide.