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Lazy Oogakari, Steel

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Sentient Beings.(sword)
« on: June 23, 2014, 06:23:38 AM »

Sentience is the ability to feel , perceive , or to experience subjectivity.
Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to
think (reason ) from the ability to feel ( sentience ). In modern Western
philosophy, sentience is the ability to experience sensations (known in
philosophy of mind as "qualia"). The concept is central to the philosophy of
animal rights, because sentience is necessary for the ability to suffer, which is
held to entail certain rights.

Sentient beings in Naruto namely Samehada and tailed beasts.(All that I can think of.)

So is a sentient being purely made by chakra?
Because the tailed beasts were created by the Sage of the six paths by splitting the chakra of the juubi(ten tails) into 9 parts namely the Biju(tailed beast).

My question is if I make a seal that would store chakra in a sword and I pumped in a large amount of chakra would it become a sentient sword?
Capable of communicating with it's owner?
Capable of using seals on the sword it self?

Would it be possible?
Although it would take a long time, chakra and lots of explosions to make it?

Requirements:
Sword.
The seal.
Large amount of chakra.
Research material.
Medical faculties in case of damage to the creator?




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Re: Sentient Beings.(sword)
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 01:45:31 PM »

In my opinion, no. Samehada is an actual organism, made from living tissue et cetera. If you wanted to copycat the bijuu by making something purely of chakra, you'd need the creation of all things technique for that.
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Re: Sentient Beings.(sword)
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2014, 03:06:30 PM »

In my opinion, no. Samehada is an actual organism, made from living tissue et cetera. If you wanted to copycat the bijuu by making something purely of chakra, you'd need the creation of all things technique for that.

Samehada a living organism?
How did you get that?

Although I disagree with the creation of all things technique.
I say the use of Yang chakra would suffice since there is no need to create a sword with Ying chakra.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2014, 03:14:12 PM by Lazy Oogakari, Steel »
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Re: Sentient Beings.(sword)
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2014, 12:04:51 AM »

In my opinion, no. Samehada is an actual organism, made from living tissue et cetera. If you wanted to copycat the bijuu by making something purely of chakra, you'd need the creation of all things technique for that.

Samehada a living organism?
How did you get that?

Although I disagree with the creation of all things technique.
I say the use of Yang chakra would suffice since there is no need to create a sword with Ying chakra.

Firstly, not trying to be a dick, but it's actually Yin, not Ying.
Secondly have you actually seen Samehada? It's clearly fleshy, probably even flesh-eating. I know the bijū are fleshy too but you have to realize how plot-made the bijū are and that they were the result of the chakra of the Jūbi being given life by the sage through CoAT.

My armor, Akutoku, is alive because I made it that way.
Honestly kid, just create a custom sword that's alive already would be my advice. This just seems unnecessarily complex. But if you're determined, I'd say it'd take more that just a seal and normal chakra (even tons of it) to bring an inanimate object to life. That's a pretty big thing to do, even for a shinobi.
If it was that easy, I like to think Orochimaru would have had an army of living weapons.
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Re: Sentient Beings.(sword)
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2014, 02:46:16 AM »

Sentience is the ability to feel , perceive , or to experience subjectivity.
Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to
think (reason ) from the ability to feel ( sentience ). In modern Western
philosophy, sentience is the ability to experience sensations (known in
philosophy of mind as "qualia"). The concept is central to the philosophy of
animal rights, because sentience is necessary for the ability to suffer, which is
held to entail certain rights.

Sentient beings in Naruto namely Samehada and tailed beasts.(All that I can think of.)

So is a sentient being purely made by chakra?
Because the tailed beasts were created by the Sage of the six paths by splitting the chakra of the juubi(ten tails) into 9 parts namely the Biju(tailed beast).

My question is if I make a seal that would store chakra in a sword and I pumped in a large amount of chakra would it become a sentient sword?
Capable of communicating with it's owner?
Capable of using seals on the sword it self?

Would it be possible?
Although it would take a long time, chakra and lots of explosions to make it?

Requirements:
Sword.
The seal.
Large amount of chakra.
Research material.
Medical faculties in case of damage to the creator?




™ (Copyrighted) So no metagaming.
Except if this topic was already discussed about.(Didn't bother to search it)
(Naruto is owned by Kishimoto)(Although this idea if owned by me)
(If Kishimoto is reading this, pm me and we'll discuss what would we do.)


The first way to discuss this would be to consider how it was attempted in the series, as it is not something that is completely revolutionary in the Shinobi world.

Puppeters attempted to grant their puppets life in the series. I beileve techniques like One's Own Life Reincarnation are examples of techniques that came about with the idea of bringing non-living things to life.

The entire living puppet concept is a canon example of what I think you are trying to do.

Additionally, something can be alive without being sentient. All you need to be classified, Biologically speaking, as a living thing is:

Reproduce
Metabolism
Reaction to Stimuli (Homeostatis)
Evolve
Grow and Develop
Be made of cells

Samaheda is a decent example, as we know that it is made of cells (we saw the inside, there is tissue and stuff) it reacts to the environment, has metabolism (it eats chakra for a living, hence why even the sword owner has to donate some).

What we do not know for sure though, is whether it grows and develops, even has the ability to reproduce, or if its kind can evolve with changing conditions (if it even reproduces in some way).

Biology aside, you could consider Samaheda "alive" in lay terms at least, and I sense that may be what you are going for. Making just an ordinary sword made of steel alive would be a great challenge to begin with, because not only would you have to make it alive (Sage art, Inorganic reincarnation) but you would have to keep it alive. If it is made up of steel, then it can't sustain itself without your intervention, so that is not Samaheda level of "living".

Long story short, it would require medical ninjutsu knowledge, a solid understanding of both Yin and Yang, and time. I would go into greater length regarding what kind of medical ninjutsu you would need to know, but for now, I think you get the jist of it.
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Re: Sentient Beings.(sword)
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2014, 06:01:15 AM »

Why not just seal a soul into the sword? In a fashion as to were the soul is bound to the object but can speak to you mentally and what not. Just an idea nothing more.
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Re: Sentient Beings.(sword)
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2014, 06:03:53 AM »

Why not just seal a soul into the sword? In a fashion as to were the soul is bound to the object but can speak to you mentally and what not. Just an idea nothing more.

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Re: Sentient Beings.(sword)
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2014, 09:14:39 AM »

But.
The Yang Release (陽遁, Yōton ; Viz "Light Style") techniques, based on the
physical energy that governs vitality, can be used to breathe life into form.
(source Wiki)
Yin is the chakra used to make something out of nothing.


@Kirk
You got a point but I can't just go yanking someone out of a random street.

I'd like a sword that can mentally talk to me.
That can evolve.

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Re: Sentient Beings.(sword)
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2014, 12:54:12 PM »

Well then you really aren't leaving yourself other options, besides copycatting samehada or creation of all things.
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Re: Sentient Beings.(sword)
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2014, 03:25:48 PM »

But.
The Yang Release (陽遁, Yōton ; Viz "Light Style") techniques, based on the
physical energy that governs vitality, can be used to breathe life into form.
(source Wiki)
Yin is the chakra used to make something out of nothing.


@Kirk
You got a point but I can't just go yanking someone out of a random street.

I'd like a sword that can mentally talk to me.
That can evolve.

You can breathe life into anything you want, but it won't necessarily stay alive without your constant breathing unless you give it a way to sustain itself.

The easiest route is to make a dust release-based sword with a spirit sealed within it, borrowing concepts from certain folks in the realm. The dust release would allow the sword to change its atomic structure up to a certain point (like the hilt where the spirit is stored), allowing it to literally change when certain conditions are met.

THe spirit thing is for the sake of conversation.

Now, I still wouldn't call the sword alive, but if all you want is something that will evolve and talk to you, then that is probably among the simpliest options.
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Re: Sentient Beings.(sword)
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2014, 05:42:23 PM »

I think "finding" a sentient sword would be easier.
Now I just need to start planning to create it.

Once I created it.
I'll post the link here so that you guys can check if it isn't OP.
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