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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Bocchiere on September 13, 2014, 12:42:21 AM
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At the same time my fight with Xia has reached 14 days with no post my fight with Zen has reached 21 days with no post. I understand that Zenaku has been going through a lot recently, but I also believe I have waited long enough.
He has had the 2 week limit and then an additional extra week and he has not even logged on during that time.
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Once again you have my vote. Zenaku was active once and took part in the community now he just sits there with the fox. He's a great guy, but he doesn't need it.
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Once again you have my vote. Zenaku was active once and took part in the community now he just sits there with the fox. He's a great guy, but he doesn't need it.
He actually said something to that effect himself. That if I won I'd be going around tearing stuff up with the fox and if he wins it'll just continue to be him never doing anything with it.
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Yeah I think he should be stripped. The time limit applies to everyone.
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I never did like the time limit thing. It always seemed like a cheap way otu to me... no honor or warrior pride at all in it.
However a rule is a rule. Thus if you truly feel that he should be stripped and you don't wish to try to contact him out of SL to see what could be done then I guess a strip is in order.
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Once again you have my vote. Zenaku was active once and took part in the community now he just sits there with the fox. He's a great guy, but he doesn't need it.
Nevermind not needing it, we're focusing on the inactivity part here. I naturally have no objections to a strip either, as I presume the circumstances are pretty much the same on that account.
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I never did like the time limit thing. It always seemed like a cheap way otu to me... no honor or warrior pride at all in it.
However a rule is a rule. Thus if you truly feel that he should be stripped and you don't wish to try to contact him out of SL to see what could be done then I guess a strip is in order.
My remaining respect for Zenaku as a zone fighter has been expended in giving him the extra week that I did. Unfortunately, the fight did not live up to my expectations, so to speak. So I do not have any problem stripping him of the beast.
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I actually personally protest this one.
Zenaku *did* ask for additional time; he *is* going through several real-life situations and has spoken of these. You were willing to give him time before; I personally suggest that an exception be made for this one and he should be messaged in indication that his time is nearing an end otherwise. At the very least, he should be messaged and given another chance to post.
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I kinda hafta agree with dark here. I mean, come on man XD if you keep this up then like what, half your bijuu would have been gotten through the stripping/inactivity/whatever other forum means.
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@Dark: I knew that I was going to see this but it's disappointing to see it from you. There is no real argument that Zen shouldn't be stripped. The rule is 14 days with no post and you are stripped, I was willing to wait 21. I've already stretched the rule for him, I should not have to stretch it further. Considering how strict you are with people acting IC with their posts I find this a little silly. <<
@Warren: I've beaten more people than most people have fought, so no, I don't really care about winning these bijuu by stripping their owners. It's not my fault people want to have bijuu and also want to be able to go a month without posting. I have had quite enough of people wasting my time.
Zen did have a legitimate reason for not posting, so I waited longer than I had to to strip him of the 9 tails.
I don't agree that "at the very least" he should be further exempt from the bijuu rules.
There really is no reason for these topics as it is not really something that is up for debate. I just like it to be clear what is going on in each situation and not just have people see the bijuu list on the wiki be changed the next with no finish having occurred in the fight.
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This is why I was against the rule to start with. We all have RL beig punished for being human I quite stupid.
Not all of use can waste out entire life away on SL anymore. We are growing older have jobs, college, kids, bills, a lot of beer to drink, and random whores. Life is complex for many of use. Just change the rule after this.
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This is why I was against the rule to start with. We all have RL beig punished for being human I quite stupid.
Not all of use can waste out entire life away on SL anymore. We are growing older have jobs, college, kids, bills, a lot of beer to drink, and random whores. Life is complex for many of use. Just change the rule after this.
Feel free to make your own topic about this if you'd like. But this one is about stripping Zenaku.
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And here we have one of the fundamental flaws with SL that is pretty impossible to solve as basically when it comes to the rules it can all end up boiling down to.. Who's the most aggressive. It's nearly impossible to be a biju host if you don't dedicate yourself 24/7 to SL which is kinda silly and unfair in a way. (Not completely. Just partially) And I feel like most rules favor the hunter other than the host although that is slowly starting to change. That's just my two cents since someone like Zenaku who has done so much really shouldn't get shafted and stripped here because of life unless he fully acknowledges that he won't be able to do his duties as a host.
But of course there will have to be a line crossed where it's like.. Okay nothing is gonna change anytime soon and we should discuss this.
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This is why I was against the rule to start with. We all have RL beig punished for being human I quite stupid.
Not all of use can waste out entire life away on SL anymore. We are growing older have jobs, college, kids, bills, a lot of beer to drink, and random whores. Life is complex for many of use. Just change the rule after this.
Hosts are supposed to be active. That's the bottom line of the matter. Even with legitimate reasons, if they are not active after a certain amount of time, there has to be a line draw. Where that line is has varied almost literally case-by-case, but the it has to be drawn.
You do not have to be dedicated to SL 24/7, you have like what, two weeks to make one post in a fight or something to that flavor? That is like, literally, 2/1 rather than 24/7.
I kinda hafta agree with dark here. I mean, come on man XD if you keep this up then like what, half your bijuu would have been gotten through the stripping/inactivity/whatever other forum means.
That works both ways, unless we happen to just be, you know, active enough to not be stripped for said reasons. Other reasons for strip have usually been contested and debated more profoundly, in which you may have a point in that some just won't go to the batter's plate.
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Change the rule to what exactly? They have to post once every 2 MONTHS? Give them three chances to post every two weeks before stripping them? I don't know about you but I don't want to wait months in between each post.
If their are rules that favor the hunter let me be the first to say that the ability to blow your challenger off for a month favors the Jinchuriki.
1 hour a day in two weeks to write a post is not unreasonable. Unless some of you guys are working 4 full time jobs or something, in which case you're probably going to die from exhaustion soon anyway.
So I'm going to say no, being able to leave for 13 days, come back for 45 mins to post, leave for another 13 days, does in fact NOT require you to devote yourself 24/7 to SL OR seem silly and unfair for the host.
You guys think it does, because I'm trying to strip Zenaku of the 9 tails, but you guys aren't the ones who have had to deal with him god modding and cheating in this fight.
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Sorry everyone, I know it's lame that someone like Zen is going to lose his beast cause of a strip, but to be fair, he is over the time limit. Rules apply to everyone, so unless Bocc promised him more time, or wasn't specific on how much time he was being given, there is no need to get in contact with Zen.
I know nobody wants to do this, but Zen had a good run, got all 9 biju, been a host for years, etc. So unless Bocc promised more time, or wasn't specific on only extending a week. This seems like an easy decision.
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I haven't even messaged Zen since the 22nd of August, and that was just to tell him that I had posted. :/
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Change the rule to what exactly? They have to post once every 2 MONTHS? Give them three chances to post every two weeks before stripping them? I don't know about you but I don't want to wait months in between each post.
If their are rules that favor the hunter let me be the first to say that the ability to blow your challenger off for a month favors the Jinchuriki.
1 hour a day in two weeks to write a post is not unreasonable. Unless some of you guys are working 4 full time jobs or something, in which case you're probably going to die from exhaustion soon anyway.
So I'm going to say no, being able to leave for 13 days, come back for 45 mins to post, leave for another 13 days, does in fact NOT require you to devote yourself 24/7 to SL OR seem silly and unfair for the host.
You guys think it does, because I'm trying to strip Zenaku of the 9 tails, but you guys aren't the ones who have had to deal with him god modding and cheating in this fight.
I'm not fully siding with the host in situations like this either. I fully acknowledge that the host should be told: "Hey you've been slipping lately and I gotta know are you fully capable of defending this biju right now or will you be SOON? Give me a date that's not forever or else you know what's gonna happen" Because I know there's situations where somebody just might be lazy or something.
And this is just curiosity.. Was nothing said about the cheating/god modding?
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...but you guys aren't the ones who have had to deal with him god modding and cheating in this fight.
That is also besides the point. This is about activity, not about the quality of the fight. While I am sure the latter has not helped (hey, a good fight might be worth waiting a few months for eh?) this topic is strictly on board for stripping solely due to activity. How the fight was going is not even a point to be made.
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Well to each his/her own. I lost mine because I have more important matters I am keeping track of right now, so I don't hate the forums necessarily.
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FOR THE RECORD
Whoa guys...
Maternity leave is a big deal.
What if someone else just finished the match for him?
Or what if someone contacted him on Face book to find out what he wants to do?
Or or or...
I think it is a good idea to talk to people before just doing things.
I am not saying inactivity is not a problem, no matter the reason. But it would be nice for Xia to be part of the decision making process here before everyone just decides how things are going to go down.
Besides the comments about edo no one said no. Xia won't respond anytime soon. Kiri nin hate the forums. Good to go it seems.
Alright, 6 tails get. I'm locking this topic now, so if some Kiri nin want to raise a hullabaloo about this they'll have to make their own topic.
I was really serious about waiting until you could actually talk to Xia. And now its going with Zen too.
As you can see, Shadow...I most certainly did object to these circumstance being initiated and the hosts not being consulted here. The whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I don't want to see any claims of gathering all the bijuu either.
This default stuff is not the same accomplishment as winning them at all.
As you can see, things are just stupid now. Refer to my new topic I just made.
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... I don't want to see any claims of gathering all the bijuu either.
This default stuff is not the same accomplishment as winning them at all.
Considering that not even Zenaku "won" them all in the sense that he fought every single other jinch and beat them in a battle (I know of at least one tailed beast that was just plain handed to him) I am pretty sure there will be warm fuzzies however way the beasts are all rounded up at this point. By default is still a win in my book.
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... I don't want to see any claims of gathering all the bijuu either.
This default stuff is not the same accomplishment as winning them at all.
Considering that not even Zenaku "won" them all in the sense that he fought every single other jinch and beat them in a battle (I know of at least one tailed beast that was just plain handed to him) I am pretty sure there will be warm fuzzies however way the beasts are all rounded up at this point. By default is still a win in my book.
As far as I know Zenaku fought Mioku for the 7 tails back before he had the 9 tails and that's it.
You wanna know how many zone fights Zenaku did when he went out to gather all the bijuu? I'l give you a hint, it's a single digit number that rhymes with "Hero".
Here are the bijuu fights I've done:
Bocchiere defeats Athos for the 6 tails
Bocchiere defeats Luka for the 2 tails (which is also given to Kumo, that's how they got that one)
Bocchiere successfully defends the 6 tails multiple times before losing to Shinro
Bocchiere defeats Kamui for the 6 tails
Rakudo defeats Hazama for the 8 tails
Rakudo defeats Kage for the 6 tails
Rakudo defeats Kamui for the 2 tails
Madara defeats Nathan for the 4 tails
Bocchiere defeats Trev for the 4 tails
Those are all fights where I killed my opponent and won, and 99% of them (<3UTrev) contained my opponent complaining for weeks on end about everything I did, getting the important decisions against them, and then losing.
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offensive content edited...because it was as you say, unnecessary.
This whole paragraph was very unnecessary. :oops:
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This whole paragraph was very unnecessary. :oops:
Still funny though.
Anyways, Zenaku didn't fight for most of the bijū. Actually I'm pretty sure a total of 6 biju were actually just given to him so he could "fairly distribute them".
Zenny's taken so long to post that his last post has timed out on the forum. Bocchy's will too in a few days. Guys it's really not fair that Zenaku should be exempt from the rules. Yeah real life comes first, but all jinchs have a responsibility to take an hour/two out of 2 weeks topost. It's really not asking a lot. Don't have internet? Go to a library, go to a coffee shop, use some data on your phone, something. In this day and age that excuse is paltry at best.
I dunno this pisses me off because if it was the other way around everyone would have no problem stripping Bocchiere. But that's not really the point I guess.
Strip him.
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... I don't want to see any claims of gathering all the bijuu either.
This default stuff is not the same accomplishment as winning them at all.
Considering that not even Zenaku "won" them all in the sense that he fought every single other jinch and beat them in a battle (I know of at least one tailed beast that was just plain handed to him) I am pretty sure there will be warm fuzzies however way the beasts are all rounded up at this point. By default is still a win in my book.
As far as I know Zenaku fought Mioku for the 7 tails back before he had the 9 tails and that's it.
You wanna know how many zone fights Zenaku did when he went out to gather all the bijuu? I'l give you a hint, it's a single digit number that rhymes with "Hero".
Here are the bijuu fights I've done:
Bocchiere defeats Athos for the 6 tails
Bocchiere defeats Luka for the 2 tails (which is also given to Kumo, that's how they got that one)
Bocchiere successfully defends the 6 tails multiple times before losing to Shinro
Bocchiere defeats Kamui for the 6 tails
Rakudo defeats Hazama for the 8 tails
Rakudo defeats Kage for the 6 tails
Rakudo defeats Kamui for the 2 tails
Madara defeats Nathan for the 4 tails
Bocchiere defeats Trev for the 4 tails
Those are all fights where I killed my opponent and won, and 99% of them (<3UTrev) contained my opponent complaining for weeks on end about everything I did, getting the important decisions against them, and then losing.
did everyone quote this things? sheesh...
You already got me as one so just hook me up. I'd rather enjoy giving you a good old fashion ass beating. [^no - one complained about Trev being abusive so he gets a pass. ~Kayenta edits]
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You guys want to get down to rules and get back on topic?
Two weeks to post and after that is a strip. Bocc gave him an extra week. Now is stripping him. That's it. It's over. Zenaku has lost it. Disregarding what anyone thinks, the rules are rules. Zenaku agreed to those same rules before the fight was started.
Now to get off topic;
I'm getting sick of everyone saying give them an extra week, go message them on FB, ect.
We are NOT their babysitters. If they want to forget about the fight then that is their choice not ours. You don't have an extra hour to post ONCE in the 336 hours in two weeks then you don't need a bijuu.
They KNOW the rules before they get a bijuu, they read the discussions, know how it is, ect.
Xia's wife is pregnant. (congratulations, hope no troubles occur) We all understand that she comes over everything else no matter what. Still, take even 30 mins to post and then that's it. You're safe to go. He was even giving him an extra week and Xia said he still couldn't post. So that's when Bocc decided to strip more than likely.
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Yeah it's really silly the amount of people who are acting like the rules are made to screw them out of their bijuu.
What Xia should have done is given the bijuu to someone who could have defended it in Kiri, and then gotten it back when he had more free time. I did not make him fight me personally.
But yeah I agree with Shadow and especially at the point where I have to go hunt my opponent down to get him to post I'm probably annoyed with him to the extent where I don't want the fight to continue anyway.
I was going to ask what should happen to Zen IC since we agreed to a deathmatch and now the same thing happened that happened to HonoxSabu but honestly I don't even want to open that can of worms. I'm going to claim ICly that I knocked Zen out and extracted the 9 tails, which he survived due to his Senju vitality, so he is still alive. I'm also going to claim a vial of his blood for reasons that I will refer to only as Camel Insurance. >_>
I am going to leave this topic open but am going to claim the 9 tails as of now.
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You guys want to get down to rules and get back on topic?
Two weeks to post and after that is a strip. Bocc gave him an extra week. Now is stripping him. That's it. It's over. Zenaku has lost it. Disregarding what anyone thinks, the rules are rules. Zenaku agreed to those same rules before the fight was started.
Now to get off topic;
I'm getting sick of everyone saying give them an extra week, go message them on FB, ect.
We are NOT their babysitters. If they want to forget about the fight then that is their choice not ours. You don't have an extra hour to post ONCE in the 336 hours in two weeks then you don't need a bijuu.
They KNOW the rules before they get a bijuu, they read the discussions, know how it is, ect.
Xia's wife is pregnant. (congratulations, hope no troubles occur) We all understand that she comes over everything else no matter what. Still, take even 30 mins to post and then that's it. You're safe to go. He was even giving him an extra week and Xia said he still couldn't post. So that's when Bocc decided to strip more than likely.
I don't think it's just the rule problem perse. But more of in most if not all of these situations we only really get one side and it's usually just a mob saying OFF WITH HIS HEAD! (Biju) At least for me. I mean I honestly am all for the removal if the other person cannot defend it in the middle of a challenge, I mean the rules ARE there for a reason. I get it.
I mean when Zen fought me for the 7-tails I did have a situation that made me unable to be active. But I kept in contact and finally when I realized that I really was unable to defend it due to activity I did give it over to him even though I would have liked to have finished the fight.
Basically.. Shame on everyone and start communicating. Like seriously. This is toward inactive hosts since if Bocc is right he is letting people know 'Hey.. Post.. Like now.'
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Basically.. Shame on everyone and start communicating. Like seriously. This is toward inactive hosts since if Bocc is right he is letting people know 'Hey.. Post.. Like now.'
Exactly.
Bocc cannot message them to post. Since they're inactive, how are they going to read their mail? Also we don't have every SL person as a friend on fb to message nor does everyone want people to message them about SL stuff outside of the game. If a finger is to be pointed at someone it's the inactive hosts fault. Bocc is on EVERYDAY for several hours and responds to his Fb also if they are friends. He is open for an inactive host to talk to him. If they chose not to it should not be pinned on him to turn into a mother an go looking for them. Just from observations I've made.
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I still agree that Zenny should be stripped, since Bocc even gave him the extra week. So unless there are missing details, it seems clear cut.
But @Bocc, you really should have waited for this thread to come to a close and a lock. You shouldn't jump the gun and claim the 9 tails just yet, that behavior isn't going to get you anywhere fast, and is counter productive for you
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I disagree with this because Zenaku twisted the rules for Bocchiere; the same should be extended to him.
Bocchiere got a repost when one wasn't necessary to be given; this was a change in rules that didn't officially exist. I think that the same should be extended to Zenaku.
Otherwise, if we're going strictly by the rules as they stand, Bocchiere's already lost.
My apologies if this is blunt -- difficult to post in detail from an iPod.
@Dark: I knew that I was going to see this but it's disappointing to see it from you. There is no real argument that Zen shouldn't be stripped. The rule is 14 days with no post and you are stripped, I was willing to wait 21. I've already stretched the rule for him, I should not have to stretch it further. Considering how strict you are with people acting IC with their posts I find this a little silly. <<
This is my argument.
And I believe I messed up the formatting. >_<;
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I wouldn't just claim it if I wasn't doing it for the 6 and 9 tails based on clear violations of the rules.
Like I said I'm leaving this open for people to discuss it so if anything changes we can always OOCly do something about it, not that I expect such a thing to occur.
Yes Zenaku did give me a repost when we did not discuss that rule beforehand. He also got a decision in his favor from our judge at the time, which was the one where he cheated to get me in a Genjutsu. The next day I messaged the judge asking him to explain how he could possibly agree with Zen and he told me that he had been wrong. It was late at night and he was exhausted and made the wrong decision, Zen should have had to repost to allow me to properly respond to his post. I told this to Zen and he said too bad he already said it was his final call, doesn't matter if he admitted to not being of sound mind when he did it.
So excuse me for not extending charity. I do not have to, and will not be.