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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Council => Topic started by: Chinote on September 19, 2016, 04:47:06 PM
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So Bocc's gone for good and has graciously left all of his Bijuu (and I suppose the 0 Tail and Gedo Statue according to past.. er, agreements as to what they're classified as.) to the council.
So here's what we have, correct me if I'm wrong;
0 Tail
1 Tail
2 Tail
3 Tail
[4 Tail automatically rewarded to Trev per the established rules of challenges unfinished on the host's part]
5 Tail
6 Tail
7 Tail
8 Tail
9 Tail
Gedo Statue
Already we've got people claiming what they want and deciding among themselves that they should get whatever they want. Unfortunately for them, they are currently in our (the council's) possession.
Now, we could lock them in the closet as I've seen suggested, but I'd rather see them get redistributed in a way that, at least for the moment, doesn't create a second Bocc.
So here's my suggestion;
We open the list to challengers for one week and allow them 1 (ONE) challenge of their choice for the initial period. We, the council, or other established GMs would then GM the tailed beast in question and award/deny. [There's also the issue of should we acknowledge the challenges made between Bocc leaving and now, putting Athos at the front of the line (with Madara next). I don't mind either way, but he'd still be limited to 1 challenge, rather than challenging for everything.]
Once all the fights from the one-week open challenge, any remaining Bijuu would be put at large in-game. Individuals, groups, whole villages, whatever/whoever can hunt them down and do what they want with them, assuming they don't get themselves killed.
There is one exception to the above in my plan, and that is the Gedo Statue. I know that Kayenta had a pretty thorough GM event set up for Bocc following the Council's last decision. I say we keep the Gedo in reserve until after the 0-9 Tails are dealt with, then open that event back up for whoever wishes to participate.
I'm going to say semi-closed to non-Council members for now.
Do NOT just try to get in line for challenges. They may not be honored and it could be first-come-first-server following the Council's decision.
Only post if you have valid proof of a pending challenge or something of that nature that would alter the list of Bijuu now in Council hands (No, saying "claimed" doesn't count.). Otherwise, shut up.
Since apparently people can't read.
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Agreed.
I promote the existing challenges being honored.
I promote events for multi challengers for the same bijuu.
I will of course open the Gedo event up at the request of the council after my family leave.
---> edits my post to reflect that colorful bold faced stay the hell out of this thread was not like that when i commented. :P
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Shouldn't we be honoring other standing challenges like Trev's? Or were there honestly no others?
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Shouldn't we be honoring other standing challenges like Trev's? Or were there honestly no others?
I don't see any that have posts new than a month. Bocc was active, so if there are any, they haven't started and would only be in PM form. Hence "post if you have valid proof of a pending challenge or something of that nature that would alter the list of Bijuu now in Council hands".
If anyone can validate a claim, they're more than free to.
We should still discuss what to do with the ones we have. The exact number doesn't really matter.
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In that case I agree as well. Although I think we will receive complaints about limiting people to one challenge. Clearly, as Athos and Madara proved, the immediate interest is for all beasts, not specific ones.
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Let them complain. I'm more interested in a fair initial distribution than giving the entire pot to the first person who says "dibs." They can collect them all as Bocc did once each new host's respective grace period ends, or in the events for any Bijuu that make it past the initial challenge period, assuming my suggestion is implemented.
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I certainly like the plan. So that's three of us... I lost track of council membership honestly. Who else are we waiting to hear from?
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2. Kayenta is not a Council Member.
Genesis, Silver and Eric.
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To be active on SL is no troubel, i mean i sometimes wait for replies for....weeks?!
So checking it up once in a while, ain't troubling, but the council needs more attention, sadly i cannot give it my full attention. Also i don't want Bocchiere to PM ME ALONE whenever something concerns the council.
I don't want to be a babysitter...
that and life does get hasty again.
Sorry
Silver may or may not be out depending on how firm he was when he posted this comment. So you may only be waiting on Eric and Genny
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Speaking honestly, I know my challenge for all the beasts is a crazy idea in the whole of it and taking that away and looking at is a whole... I would prefer if the Bijuu were handed out and I had to collect then. Using me as an example.
That being said, out of all the beasts the two main 'challenges' are for the Mazo and the Nine Tails.
I know my vote doesn't count but I like the idea of a few people getting beasts, cause I don't think even eleven people are all that interested in Bijuu for there to be a challenger for each.
But that is another thing to talk about, maybe.
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How many existing challenges are there and for what tailed beasts? There be a comprehensive list of that before they can be awarded or revoked? Also, I'd like to say that i haven't posted a challenge yet but i would like to put my name in for SHUKAKU! :D :D And i super agree with the guidelines posted by Chinote so far! :)
Just one more point, i think that the previous relationships formed between tailed beasts and their Jinchuriki should be wiped clean including claims of "remaining chakra from extraction." Also, i think that if a tailed beast is to be extracted from a host the host should die point blank, character death no exceptions. This will make the gravity of challenges and the following battles way more serious
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And this is why whenever a council topic is made there should be a closed one only for council members and an open one for everyone else.
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Only post if you have valid proof of a pending challenge or something of that nature that would alter the list of Bijuu now in Council hands (No, saying "claimed" doesn't count.). Otherwise, shut up.
If my plan is agreed upon by the other active council members, then I will make a thread for people to post their challenges. You will have one week to declare a challenge for the Bijuu of your choice. I was thinking first-come-first-serve, with the possibility of Athos and Madara getting the first and second pick for declaring challenges prior to the Council session. No other challenges, as of now, will be honored.
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Present. Honor any pre-existing challenges and then we'll go on from there.
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The only existing challenge that exists in public form is the 4 Tails, which is already being awarded to Trev. Anyone who has proof of a valid challenge that didn't get started can post it. Let's not sit on our fingers and wait for that to happen/not happen and decide on what to do with the Bijuu as a whole. The exact numbers don't matter.
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Alright....hear me out. No one is going to like this and you can kill me after. It's gonna sound like total madness... probably the worst idea I came up with.
Bijuu tournament? :D
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I can't read.
Genesis, Chinote, and Hades. 3/5 members have voted yes to having GMs and challengers rp for bijuu.
Even if the remaining 2 say no they are still outnumbered. Also this is the most popular option for the community.
My list has current stats on it. I've asked a good number of people if they would GM a bijuu. The people who are willing to GM are: Actual GMs, a mod, and a few council members. All worthy to GM such a thing.
The only issue of current is two people want the 9 tailed fox. So how do you deal with that? Just have it be a classic OOC bijuu battle to fight for it?
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I was once taught something that I've yet to see proven wrong in the 4 sites I've RP'd on;
Tournaments.
Never.
Work.
But let's assume this one does. What are the rules? How are the prizes given out? We need something that's going to work.
I can't read.
Genesis, Chinote, and Hades. 3/5 members have voted yes to having GMs and challengers rp for bijuu.
Genesis hasn't voted for or against anything, but as you said;
I can't read.
Please refrain from posting in this thread. This is for Council members and those who have valid claims to any of the Bijuu in question. A public thread exists already.
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I honestly want a unanimous vote since the council members are usually on the same page. If not, we usually get to the same page. I'll wait for the other 2 before we make a choice.
Who are the other 2 again? xD
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Eric and Silver.
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"This is for Council members and those who have valid claims to any of the Bijuu in question."
Madara and Athos as far as Bocc told me were not in line to fight him. They never issued a challenge to him. So currently there are no valid claims.
I wrote a lot more, but here since it's pertinent to the topic.
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I said they were the first to post on the subject, challenging the Council before the session began, thus there is a possibility their challenges may take precedence. Not that they have pending challenges with Bocc.
It has yet to be determined by the Council if those challenges are to be honored or not.
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I'm not a fan of someone challenging the bijuu council. Props to Athos for beating people to the gun, but the fact he challenged for all 8 since a bit excessive. Maybe a torne is a bad idea, but having a torne structure for distributing the bijuu might be a good idea. Right now I'm throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. I'll be brainstorming all day.
Also, adding onto the Athos "challenging the council". In the event the precedent is set that the bijuu council can be challenged, that means all the other rules must be applied, in my opinion. That means, since we have recently obtained all the bijuu, that means we have a 2 week grace period. (I think Kay brought this up)
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I've thought it over and decided to post in the same topic as the council. Limiting members to speak in a topic of their own seems wrong. We'll sit at the grown ups table and you can all sit at the little kids table. No thanks.
I understand the reason for separation is to keep useless comments from cluttering up the current discussion, but the community members feel they have a right to share their thoughts on the matter and they do. On the same level as the council. Us posting comments does not keep you all from voting. Does it seem like we're trying to swing the vote our way? Yes. That's what people do. Even in real politics.
Like right now Genesis brought up giving the council a two week grace period. You expect me to post in the other topic about something mentioned in this topic? It would be out of context since no posts were made in that topic. Adding new rules like this should be open to all to discuss. Same with the tailed beasts. They concern the community yet you want to banish them to talk amongst themselves.
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What's the reason for giving the council a two week grace period? The reason for giving hosts a two week period is so they can situate themselves with the beast and not get challenged for it right after they get it.
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Just my two cents, but as Shadow said it is wrong to eliminate the communities voice on the matter, but on the same hand the final decision still comes down to the Council because that's why it exists. IMO, this topic -- since it's already two pages in -- should be for public use and discussion for Shadow and other non-Council members to voice their opinions. A second topic should be created for the Council members to go over the communities opinions as well as their own and come to a decision. The latter topic would, obviously, only be for Council Members to post in.
As for the Grace Period, you just said it yourself, Shadow: "The reason for giving hosts a two week period is so they can situate themselves with the beast and not get challenged for it right after they get it."
The Council was just handed all the Tailed Beast on SL and, before they can even discuss it, people are challenging them for them. Just like any player, they should be able to 'situate' themselves and decide how they're going to go about doing things before a bunch of people challenge them for the beasts.
Edit: Apparently, that other thread has already been made:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,9041.0.html
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Shadow....you may make a thread in the council rules section to discuss changes to how the council works and then after the discussion has run its course, make a vote thread to get something implemented...This thread is supposed to be for the council members to discuss what they are going to do with the bijuu. These threads usually take on a title as such:
topic [discussion]
topic [vote]
over here: http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/board,57.0.html (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/board,57.0.html)
However, if you are going to make a discussion thread for the community to create guidelines for how the council works, then leave it unlocked.
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However, if you are going to make a discussion thread for the community to create guidelines for how the council works, then leave it unlocked.
It's not a thread for discussion? It's just my opinion that some sort of template should be used. They can ignore it and I'm not trying to get that implemented. At least I think you're talking about that template thread.
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As for the Grace Period, you just said it yourself, Shadow: "The reason for giving hosts a two week period is so they can situate themselves with the beast and not get challenged for it right after they get it."
The Council was just handed all the Tailed Beast on SL and, before they can even discuss it, people are challenging them for them. Just like any player, they should be able to 'situate' themselves and decide how they're going to go about doing things before a bunch of people challenge them for the beasts.
I'll give it a few days unless something else occurs before posting anymore. Right now it seems Hades and Chinote are for the proposed plan. Genesis is maybe for it too, but waiting for some reason to vote. Eric and Moonfire have yet to get on SL.
The reason I don't like the idea of a grace period is because it usually takes one week to even decide what to do. Even though currently they have majority rule to go ahead and do the plan. 3/5 (counting that Genesis does vote yes) They're still waiting on the others. Which is fine it's only been barely 2 days. I'm in no rush as long as it's under a week.
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Shadow, we're just getting situated with the situation, and I'm not gonna vote when I get the situation straight.
Also, if you remember the last time we had a council, we opened the floor to everyone and closed it when all points were made. No one is gonna get screwed, that's the whole reason why the council was made. We have some faith in us lol
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I don't even care anymore who posts in here. Last time non-Council members continued to post after being told not to there was staff intervention, but the only staff communication I've gotten in the last 24 hours is "The Council doing good, but I'm giving you the axe."
I just want to get through this issue and move on already.
I agree with both sides of the 'grace period' debate. There's no real rule for it. At the same time, we should be allowed to reach a decision on what's to happen to the Bijuu before the community eats our heads. Should my plan be implemented, our grace period will end the moment the gavel sounds to close this agenda.
Until then, we wait for Silver and Eric. If they don't vote by Monday, then it's a 3 person Council and what the three of us decide is what's going to happen.
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And if Monday comes, your plan goes into effect because it would be 2v1.
I need some convincing on how your plan would work. Well, it's quite simple, but truth be told I think it's too easy for the players. The first nine challengers will easily win the bijuus. I don't care how over powered these bijuu are. This is SL...most of these challengers are Madara on steroids. Unless if you convince me otherwise this won't be a simple handout to the first nine, I won't agree to this.
Also, like I said before, I'm not a fan of Athos just straight up challenging us. We just logged into SL and realized we held 8 bijuus and already there's a challenge.
If we recognize Athos challenge, then that sets a precedent. I could see this playing out horribly in the future. Lets say another guy A were to rage quit and his bijuu were to land in our hands. Little does anyone know, that rage quit dude's friend, B, knew about him quitting ahead of time. So the moment A quit, B already had a whipped up a challenge message in the forum.
I have nothing against Athos (Uzumaki rep), but I'm against bad precedents.
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I know.
The challengers would have to defeat or seal the GM'd Bijuu. If none of the GMs volunteer, I'll do it all myself. It will not be a simple task. The Bijuu are fighting for their freedom just as hard as the challengers are fighting to obtain them, if not more. I recognize that the majority of those who will challenge for the Bijuu are beyond even end-game Naruto and Sasuke levels. I can't control the quality of RP/RPers here, so it is what it is.
Then let's decide on that. If the Council decides that the previous challenges are not to be honored, then that's how it'll be. I have made no promises either way and have only suggested we consider whether or not to honor them. I agree, allowing it creates a bad precedent. We were told our job isn't to create and rewrite the rules, but apparently some are mad that we don't, while others like Shadow are boisterously against that.
So let's at least put it to a vote for this instance between the three of us right now, the other two can vote if they get on before Monday. If it becomes a rule in either direction, then so be it.
Honor the challenges prior to this Council Session, yay or nay.
I vote nay.
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I'm still pretty sure Silver left the council >>
Also Genny, while it may be too easy, you don't want something too difficult. This is about the beast be redistributed in a fair way and relatively quick way, nothing to do with difficulty.
As for solutions, you could do multiple things, it need not be all in one. You guys can have gm's play the role as rampaging biju, you can probably even have Genny run a tournament for a biju or two. You could do Naruto trivia, hell you could put everyone who wants a biju names in a hat and draw for all I care.
It just has to be fair, whatever happens. You guys should def not accepts challenges though. That for one is a mess, as there aren't many of you to take over defending 0-3 and 5-9 at the same time.
Also are there even that many people to redistribute them too? I see only Madara, and Athos as def, with maybe Shadow and T'Challa possibly wanting in. If you somehow get lucky and only have 9 or 10 people, could host a tournament where placing in said tournament determines your biju. In a 9 person tournament, last place gets the 0 tails, etc. Anyway, I trust you guys, just throwing some opinions out there. You guys shouldn't sweat this too much. One they are redistributed, anyone can challenge for what they want anyway.
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Only allow Athos to challenge for one. Simple as that. Not all 9. That would be stupid. No reason not to let him challenge. The only issue is if you should honor him 'calling dibs first' Why not just let him and Madara fight it out in an OCC non-deathmatch. They both want the same bijuu
As far as I can tell there's not enough takers to completely hand out all 9 at first anyway.
Also regardless of how many vote yes or no. The bijuu still need to be given back to the public. The only thing being debated here is how that's going to be done.
I doubt any of the community want to be de-buffed, but if any debuff is to be had, limit them to picking 2 kg only? Should be fine. That is if they're willing.
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You could give one week for people to put their hat into the ring for which bijuu they would like to host. One per account. I don't care if alts serve. They are bound by the activity rules too. If you do care then say alts cannot challenge each other...
Then at the end of 7 days, those people fight. Council or GM's judge. It would be very nice to have a pool of judges that are approved by the community though.
If there are no challengers, then a GM does an rp for that one host.
Everyone gets their shot and we just start with a clean slate and let the past die once and for all.
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You could give one week for people to put their hat into the ring for which bijuu they would like to host. One per account. I don't care if alts serve. They are bound by the activity rules too. If you do care then say alts cannot challenge each other...
Then at the end of 7 days, those people fight. Council or GM's judge. It would be very nice to have a pool of judges that are approved by the community though.
If there are no challengers, then a GM does an rp for that one host.
Everyone gets their shot and we just start with a clean slate and let the past die once and for all.
+100000000
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As previously stated in my plan, any Bijuu that doesn't receive a challenge in the one week challenge period will be set to roaming. Any individual, group, village, etc can then track it down and battle it. Any challenged Bijuu who's challenger failed to seal or capture it will also be turned loose. If none of the GMs are willing to aid the Council, then I have no issue with doing it myself if needed.
Kay's idea of having those who want the same Bijuu fight each other before fighting the Bijuu is good, but it would severely delay the process. If that's what the challengers want though, then I don't see why it can't be implemented.
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this would quickly get something going in a positive direction for the bijuu.
and then in the meantime, we could finally get back to work on crafting guidelines for the council. for the future.
for now, I feel we have to work with what we have because this is the best we did with regards of making a council at the time.
I think what to do with the bijuu now and what to make of the council are 2 issues that can be separated...council revamp can be a future job we all work toward.
note...i thought to fight each other would take the place of a bijuu battle and act like a tourney prize thing.
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As previously stated in my plan, any Bijuu that doesn't receive a challenge in the one week challenge period will be set to roaming. Any individual, group, village, etc can then track it down and battle it. Any challenged Bijuu who's challenger failed to seal or capture it will also be turned loose. If none of the GMs are willing to aid the Council, then I have no issue with doing it myself if needed.
Kay's idea of having those who want the same Bijuu fight each other before fighting the Bijuu is good, but it would severely delay the process. If that's what the challengers want though, then I don't see why it can't be implemented.
If people are going to fight each other for a biju, give two set rules to speed it up. Reduce the time between responses from 7 days to 5 or 3. Also give them 2-3 pages on the forum max. Then a judge decided the winner based on how the fight was going, etc. That way you have expedited posting, and also a page limit so the fight doesn't go on forever.
Kay, why don't you or I create a separate thread of great judges for the site? People can discuss, and the council can opt to use it, and if not we have a list for other players of players who are thought to be good judges and willing to be one. Win-win
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I believe shadow was actually going around trying to get volunteers. [sorry. that was for GMs]
but very well. that need not depend on if the council uses the ideas or no. the community always has need of judges.
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Alright, I like where this is going. Also, I like Trev's idea for having a torne for just two of the beasts. So hears my idea...for that.
Why not host a tournament for the most (well...I'm pretty sure they'll be) sought after beasts? The 8 and 9. The same group of judges will preside over that tournament.
EDIT: I'm dumb as hell and I don't read. I like Kay's idea alot. If there's more than one for a single bijuu, that in and of itself will become a mini torne.
Wow, I like Kay's idea the most...seriously. Get the community to nominate judges to preside over all the matches and we're good. Plus I like the idea of GMing a beast if no one claims it. I put my vote for Kay's idea.
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What's with you and tournaments? >.>
As far as I know only the 9 tails has 2 people who want it.
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What's with you and tournaments? >.>
As far as I know only the 9 tails has 2 people who want it.
I want to avoid GMing the beast to a person. IN MY MOST HUMBLE OPINION (Chinote most likely disagrees with me), it feels like we'd giving the beast away on a silver platter if we were to GM it. With a torne, I feel like the beast will be 'earned'. Hence my slight obsession with it. And that's why Kay's idea is so worthy of my vote.
(http://i.imgur.com/oGZ2Ss7.gif)
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What's with you and tournaments? >.>
As far as I know only the 9 tails has 2 people who want it.
I want to avoid GMing the beast to a person. IN MY MOST HUMBLE OPINION (Chinote most likely disagrees with me), it feels like we'd giving the beast away on a silver platter if we were to GM it. With a torne, I feel like the beast will be 'earned'. Hence my slight obsession with it.
Earned through weeks of arguing. BIjuu battles are always like that.
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If people are going to fight each other for a biju, give two set rules to speed it up. Reduce the time between responses from 7 days to 5 or 3. Also give them 2-3 pages on the forum max. Then a judge decided the winner based on how the fight was going, etc. That way you have expedited posting, and also a page limit so the fight doesn't go on forever.
If people would prefer the multiple challengers per Bijuu option, and if it gets implemented, then we will look into ways to expedite the process. There's no reason not to have each Bijuu either sealed or in combat in 3-4 weeks. (6 more days for Eric to vote, Silver if he's around, a week challenge period, then the actual RP.)
It appears that support for Kay's idea is growing, so;
COUNCIL ONLY:
The 0-3, 5-9 Tails will be distributed as follows:
A 1 Week Open challenge period in which case anyone may challenge ONE Bijuu of their choice.
Challengers who challenge for the same Bijuu will fight each other (1v1, tournament style if applicable [rules tbd]) and the winner will be awarded the Bijuu.
Challengers who's Bijuu does not receive another challenge will face the Bijuu (GMs tbd) in 1v1 combat. They must defeat, seal, or otherwise incapacitate the Bijuu to be declared successful and obtain control of the Bijuu.
Bijuu who do not receive a challenge in the one-week time period will be set to roaming. They may be hunted and challenged by any individual, group, village, etc.
Bijuu who's challengers fail to capture them will be set to roaming as per above.
Yay or Nay.
My vote's still Yay.
I want to avoid GMing the beast to a person. IN MY MOST HUMBLE OPINION (Chinote most likely disagrees with me), it feels like we'd giving the beast away on a silver platter if we were to GM it. With a torne, I feel like the beast will be 'earned'. Hence my slight obsession with it. And that's why Kay's idea is so worthy of my vote.
Personally, I think the priority should be to get them back into the public is fast and fair as possible. With the current player base, silver platters are unavoidable.
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If people are going to fight each other for a biju, give two set rules to speed it up. Reduce the time between responses from 7 days to 5 or 3. Also give them 2-3 pages on the forum max. Then a judge decided the winner based on how the fight was going, etc. That way you have expedited posting, and also a page limit so the fight doesn't go on forever.
If people would prefer the multiple challengers per Bijuu option, and if it gets implemented, then we will look into ways to expedite the process. There's no reason not to have each Bijuu either sealed or in combat in 3-4 weeks. (6 more days for Eric to vote, Silver if he's around, a week challenge period, then the actual RP.)
It appears that support for Kay's idea is growing, so;
COUNCIL ONLY:
The 0-3, 5-9 Tails will be distributed as follows:
A 1 Week Open challenge period in which case anyone may challenge ONE Bijuu of their choice.
Challengers who challenge for the same Bijuu will fight each other (1v1, tournament style if applicable [rules tbd]) and the winner will be awarded the Bijuu.
Challengers who's Bijuu does not receive another challenge will face the Bijuu (GMs tbd) in 1v1 combat. They must defeat, seal, or otherwise incapacitate the Bijuu to be declared successful and obtain control of the Bijuu.
Bijuu who do not receive a challenge in the one-week time period will be set to roaming. They may be hunted and challenged by any individual, group, village, etc.
Bijuu who's challengers fail to capture them will be set to roaming as per above.
Yay or Nay.
My vote's still Yay.
I want to avoid GMing the beast to a person. IN MY MOST HUMBLE OPINION (Chinote most likely disagrees with me), it feels like we'd giving the beast away on a silver platter if we were to GM it. With a torne, I feel like the beast will be 'earned'. Hence my slight obsession with it. And that's why Kay's idea is so worthy of my vote.
Personally, I think the priority should be to get them back into the public is fast and fair as possible. With the current player base, silver platters are unavoidable.
I like this
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I vote Yay.
I also want to add one more thing. The community will vote on a panel of 5 (I threw out an random number) of judges and participants of this great distribution. Any ruling of these judges will be treated as law or whatever.
OR, the two combatants will agree upon a single judge...the old traditional way.
I'll set up a thread on who wants to go for what beast if this goes through.
Edit: Personally, I prefer the panel of judges because it's such a wide distribution and could be a huge brouhaha.
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Sorry for posting in here because I'm not a council member, but, just got a quick question that I'm curious about :)
Question:
Do the challenges need to take place in the forum or can they be done in the zones?
And can NPCs take part?
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Sorry for posting in here because I'm not a council member, but, just got a quick question that I'm curious about :)
Question:
Do the challenges need to take place in the forum or can they be done in the zones?
And can NPCs take part?
To the first one, I say why not.
To the second one...maybe? I mean, as long as it's one character per beast, I don't see how that breaks the 'rules'. But, the rules haven't been made yet.
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I'll set up a thread on who wants to go for what beast if this goes through.
I....already have a thread for that. >>
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I said the moment this session closes that I would open a thread for official challenges.
Define "take part." Can an NPC challenge for a Bijuu? I'd say no. Can they fight with you in your 1v1s? I'd also say no.
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I'll set up a thread on who wants to go for what beast if this goes through.
I....already have a thread for that. >>
Can you start up a new thread once this goes through? Like we get all the votes from the members. We'll make it super official.
Edit: Or chinny will do it. Someone do it, I don't care.
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http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,9040.0.html
I've talked to those I think are interested in the bijuu.
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http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,9040.0.html
I've talked to those I think are interested in the bijuu.
Chinote, is it cool if we just use this thread? Shadow already has it up.
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I'm going to say no.
Why?
Because we still have a pending vote on whether to honor existing challenges. My vote remains unchanged.
Another reason is that he has himself listed. With the thread locked, we have no way of knowing if he's truly the sole challenger for the 8 Tails, or if he's gaming his own system. We don't even know if that's everyone who's shown interest, or just people he likes. I'm not saying he's cheating, but that the possibility exists.
No, let's have the Council run it once we decide on things. That we we ensure transparency and fairness.
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As someone who is interested, I think it's a good idea to wait until you guys got a lasso around the problem before letting people call dibs. ^_^
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As someone who is interested, I think it's a good idea to wait until you guys got a lasso around the problem before letting people call dibs. ^_^
Which one? >>
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7 or 5 tails. Either or.
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As someone who is interested, I think it's a good idea to wait until you guys got a lasso around the problem before letting people call dibs. ^_^
AMEN TEO!!!
People didn't like the word grace period...how about deliberation?
Additionally: for the bijuu calling dibs thread...I would prefer that a council member creates it, maintains it, and that people make their post/claim to that thread for all to see.
IF
this is what the council is doing with the bijuu. I would say to go with that and forget prior challenges. just make a new one.
let the council come to its decision and THEN proceed as indicated.
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7 or 5 tails. Either or.
7 it is! <3
My thread is purely to show who wants what. Whatever you do with that well....is yet to be seen.
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it needs an edit. until my family is better, is too long.
i said until in october.
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it needs an edit. until my family is better, is too long.
i said until in october.
Same length as the Trev thing. >> I'll switch it
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I vote to not honor previous challenges. The challenge system, originally thought up by Kay, will make it an open for everyone and not 'first dibs'.
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The Plan for the Gedo Statue had been agreed upon 3-0 and will remain unchanged. It will run AFTER:
1) All 9 Tailed Beasts (0-3, 5-9) have been distributed or set to roaming.
2) Kayenta's family emergency is dealt with.
The current standing votes are whether to honor challenges made before the Council session, and on the amendment to the distribution of the 0-3, 5-9 Tails.
Current tally is
Honor Previous Challenges:
Nay: Chinote, Genesis
Yay:
Approve amendments to Bijuu Distribution:
Yay: Chinote, Genesis
Nay:
Should Eric not make an appearance, that gives us majority to enact these decisions, regardless of Hades' vote. Per the sort of agreement we made since the Council lacks rules, he has until Monday to vote. Hades voting for the current leaders would enact the proposal immediately, but voting against could potentially become a split Council if Eric joins him.
This is not to influence the vote, but to explain why we currently cannot enact these measures with only Genesis and I.
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Allow Trev, the current and only host, to participate. Yay or Nay
I don't think we should bar him, but at the same time, I'd rather see each Bijuu with different host, at least for the grace period following their sealings. Whatever happens after that, so long as it's within the established rules, is fair game.
I'm going to say Nay.
Allow NPCs to submit challenges. Yay or Nay.
I'm again voting nay, for the reasons I listed before. It creates a bad precedence for anyone to use NPCs to get around limitations on who can host/challenge.
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I'm going to say Yay. I can't find a reason to bar him.
So we're tied.
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If people are going to fight each other for a biju, give two set rules to speed it up. Reduce the time between responses from 7 days to 5 or 3. Also give them 2-3 pages on the forum max. Then a judge decided the winner based on how the fight was going, etc. That way you have expedited posting, and also a page limit so the fight doesn't go on forever.
If people would prefer the multiple challengers per Bijuu option, and if it gets implemented, then we will look into ways to expedite the process. There's no reason not to have each Bijuu either sealed or in combat in 3-4 weeks. (6 more days for Eric to vote, Silver if he's around, a week challenge period, then the actual RP.)
It appears that support for Kay's idea is growing, so;
COUNCIL ONLY:
The 0-3, 5-9 Tails will be distributed as follows:
A 1 Week Open challenge period in which case anyone may challenge ONE Bijuu of their choice.
Challengers who challenge for the same Bijuu will fight each other (1v1, tournament style if applicable [rules tbd]) and the winner will be awarded the Bijuu.
Challengers who's Bijuu does not receive another challenge will face the Bijuu (GMs tbd) in 1v1 combat. They must defeat, seal, or otherwise incapacitate the Bijuu to be declared successful and obtain control of the Bijuu.
Bijuu who do not receive a challenge in the one-week time period will be set to roaming. They may be hunted and challenged by any individual, group, village, etc.
Bijuu who's challengers fail to capture them will be set to roaming as per above.
Yay or Nay.
My vote's still Yay.
I also vote in favor of this.
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Then with 3-0, we'll continue with Genesis' thread and get things ready to go.
Still need Hades' vote on the other 3 items and Genesis' vote on the NPC deal.
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I changed my mind. I vote nay for allowing NPCs to throw down challenges. But alts are good, right?
Also, calling this to a vote:
Allow for a panel of five members to interpret and judge over this 'tournament'. These five judges will be elected via the community. Yay or Nay
The number can be changed, but basically I just want judges to rule over the fights. These judges will be elected by the community for the sake of more involvement. But the bijuu council will act as convener.
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But alts are good, right?
One challenge per person. They can choose which ever account they want. The goal is to have an even starting distribution, rather than have someone make 9 alts and challenge for everything.
I don't think we really need a vote on the judges. We said the rules of the tournament would be determined. Well, let's just determine them, starting with that. Are the 5 judges deciding on one ruling, or will each be taking 1+ fight to judge themselves? I think it'd be better as the later, otherwise it's going to take longer to have all the judges go through and vote on each match.
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Do you mean the former or the later, because you just described the later...I think.
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N-Nope. <<
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Lol
Yeah the later. I mean if one of the challengers want a Judge, they'll get it.
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My apologies for missing some of this earlier.
As a result of our proposed challenge system being inclusive of any players desiring to possess a beast, I vote that we do not need to take any special action for previous standing challenges.
As multiple beast hosting is permitted, I vote in favor of allowing Trev to enter his name.
I do not have a problem with players/alts hosting beasts because they are existing characters. NPCs should be not be used.
I think that's everything I missed.
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Alrighty;
Trev will be allowed to challenge for a second Bijuu, following a 2-1 vote.
NPCs will not be allowed to participate, by a 3-0 vote. Only the player OR (NOT AND) their alt.
The previous challenges are void by 3-0 vote. (As Hades said, not really an issue anymore, but still nice to wrap it up.)
So we'll get some Judges and the participants of the tournaments can choose their own from the group or have one approved by us. That sound good to you guys?
Should we make any special rules for the tournament? Max time/post, inactivity, etc? Or just go with the basic "fight until one side can't" with a 7 day inactivity=forfeit? I wouldn't mind making it a bit more streamlined for this, say you each have 20 posts or something and it's not to exceed a 2-3 week limit. If you're going to be a host, you're going to need to be active, so you should be able to find the time to bang this out with your fight partner.
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1. Wait, the a few members of the community see no problem with an alt competing. I personally believe no alts should be able to compete, but alts can compete. The idea is that the player has to take on the burden on taking on two fights, and we won't be accommodating that person at all.
2. And when it comes to judges, I want the community (or just the contestants) to vote on 5 people that can judge. If a fight happens and a judge is needed, they will pick one of the five. I believe that sounds sound.
3. When it comes to the rule, I do believe it should be more strict than the traditional rules, like you said. Here's my take on the rules.
- 7 day inactivity results in forfeit
- Limit fights (So what you said). I guess they're like modes. So 20 post limit or 2/3 week limit.
- Basically, no "until one side can't fight". This is SL, both sides can fight for an eternity if needed be. Basically if one of the two challengers doesn't 'win' within the limit agreed upon, a judge will have to judge the match...basically counting hits and what not.
This isn't perfect at all. I suggest we open up the floor to the community.
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I'm adamantly against giving people a second challenge. If they want to make the 10 Tails once all is said and done, then they can go for it. But for now, we should be focused on a fair distribution. Letting someone make new accounts and saying they're all god-tier for the sake of using this as a means to gather all the Bijuu at once isn't exactly fair. They can challenge for one like everyone else, or not participate.
We GMs are volunteering our help to GM the Bijuu. Originally, I had thought this would be handled by the council and then we GMs would maintain our focus on the main village boards. However with two council members, you would be struggling with that many fights. Any person would.
Do we really need a vote if they're offering their service? We clearly have a capable pool that has been deemed fit by the powers and people.
Alright, let's decide on a set limit. 20 posts and 2 weeks, or 20 posts and 3 weeks? Any other numbers? I'd prefer 2 for the sake of time, but I understand some people might have busier schedules, so I see no problem with 3.
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The refresh button just owned my original response, so out of frustation I'll have to make this one short:
1) Yay to Kayenta's method. I got no real alternative to offer.
2) No NPC's nor alts is my vote.
3) One challenger per player is my vote also.
4) Nay to community voting for GM's, we already have GM's nominated and voted on by the community, it would be redundant to do it again.
I think I covered the relevent bases. Any I miss let me know.
Now as for limits:
- 10 rounds, 1 post per player per round (for a total of 10 posts per player, INCLUDING entry posts) or 14 days, whichever is shorter.
- The standard biju rule zonin etiquettes, where the judge is the final word and nothing more, is in effect. No reposts, no second chances, what you post is what is sent out into the world.
- Each and every player who particpates must have a bio prior to the start of the fight that references ALL abilities that are accessible to the player during the fight for reference. If said bio is "private" then it must be set to public and not be altered during the fight. Breaking this regiulation is grounds for dissmissal and forfeit of the match.
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The refresh button just owned my original response, so out of frustation I'll have to make this one short:
1) Yay to Kayenta's method. I got no real alternative to offer.
2) No NPC's nor alts is my vote.
3) One challenger per player is my vote also.
4) Nay to community voting for GM's, we already have GM's nominated and voted on by the community, it would be redundant to do it again.
I think I covered the relevent bases. Any I miss let me know.
Now as for limits:
- 10 rounds, 1 post per player per round (for a total of 10 posts per player, INCLUDING entry posts) or 14 days, whichever is shorter.
- The standard biju rule zonin etiquettes, where the judge is the final word and nothing more, is in effect. No reposts, no second chances, what you post is what is sent out into the world.
- Each and every player who particpates must have a bio prior to the start of the fight that references ALL abilities that are accessible to the player during the fight for reference. If said bio is "private" then it must be set to public and not be altered during the fight. Breaking this regiulation is grounds for dissmissal and forfeit of the match.
First off, welcome back Eric. You were gone two days but SL imploded on that time lol.
I agree with all that except the usage of alts.
So the vote for the usage of alts is currently 2v1, nay leading.
Second, you want the GMs to judge the matches? I sorta dig the idea.
As for your limits, I dig that too. But I suggest we open the floor to the community. They should have input on the rules.
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... As for your limits, I dig that too. But I suggest we open the floor to the community. They should have input on the rules.
The way this thread had played out earlier I had assumed that the floor had been opened already. Sure, as I said in another post, making all the decision isn't really our task anyways.
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Well, if they don't contribute, we should keep the ball moving.
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I think just make threads for people to volunteer to GM or judge and then the council can pick GMs from there, the contestants can agree on one of those judges for their match.
Not all official SL GMs find bijuu troubles enjoyable and it is a bit much to request they take that duty on. It can be highly stressful and time consuming which had the potential to take away time from their SL GM duties for the community at large. In short, the SL GMs are responsible for more RP than just bijuu things and may not be able to dedicate the concentration of time this bijuu challenge event requires of them at this time.
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I think just make threads for people to volunteer to GM or judge and then the council can pick GMs from there, the contestants can agree on one of those judges for their match.
Not all official SL GMs find bijuu troubles enjoyable and it is a bit much to request they take that duty on. It can be highly stressful and time consuming which had the potential to take away time from their SL GM duties for the community at large. In short, the SL GMs are responsible for more RP than just bijuu things and may not be able to dedicate the concentration of time this bijuu challenge event requires of them at this time.
I honestly didn't want to bother them and planned on doing it all myself if I had to, but Koji posted saying they'd volunteer I think in Athos' original thread, so it's not like we're telling or forcing them to do it.
Found it;
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,9045.msg231517.html#msg231517
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Keito and others will GM if need be. A few of them wouldn't mind being a judge either I'm sure.
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I like the limitations for each match. Keep it neat. Even if no winner is achieved at the end, the judge can explain his decision in his post when he declares a winner. I see 10 posts proposed, I see 20 posts proposed.
Split the difference and say 15 each? That would certainly give each person their entry post and not detract from the drama by having to speed the match forward in a limited number of rounds.
if there are GM led matches...they should be held to the same criteria...of course, the end result is a bijuu being awarded.
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I think 20 posts is fair.
15 is an odd number mind you. :P
15 ÷ 2 ≠ 10 posts for each participant.
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i love you shadow....
15 posts EACH = 30 posts.
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I'd personally say move down to 10 posts per person (Perhaps excluding intro posts).
That and as Eric and Chinote say, put a 2 week or longer time cap, else some of these biju wont be redistributed for awhile.
As for judges for the fight, like I said before, just a general list of good judges, or people who want to judge will do. Than contestants can pick and continue on.
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I can also see how 10 posts + an entry post each would stream line the process.
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So, 10 posts each (20 posts in all; excluding intro posts) with a time limit of 2-3 weeks?
Mind you, this is for 1v1 fights. Unless if you guys want to include all out brawls...Kay, you brought this up in the other thread.
Now speaking about judges, Eric has said only the GMs should be judges while Trev has said a "general list of good judges, or people who want to judge will do. Than contestants can pick and continue on." Does that mean voting on judges?
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Depends on how complicated you want to make things.
Just finding people willing to be judges could be burdensome enough without going through an election process.
As per bijuu match rules for judging, it is my feeling that consensus between the participants is enough. Who are they willing to accept as a judge for their match and abide by their rulings?
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Hosts and challengers have been able to decide upon a judge up until now so why don't we keep that system going? Just let the participants pick the judge?
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I feel the same way, let the contestants pick as it has always been. I was just wondering if we should make a list of people that want to judge this, as I imagine some might not. Also some of the contestants I've never seen fight before, so idk if they know who are usually used and is willing to be a judge, etc. But if the fighters can do it between themselves with no reference, then it's whatever.
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If they don't need a Judge, so be it. But if they need a Judge, they'll pick from a list. We decide that list.
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I agree more with Shadow and Trev, but we might as well just vote on it and the other things. I'd like to put a lid on this batch before opening a new one, and there's still about 4 more things we need to decide on before we close the sign ups and get things going.
Council Only
Allow participants to choose their own judge or appoint a panel of judges ourselves for them to choose from.
My vote is for those involved to find their own judge. No reason to upset the status quo there. Both parties have to agree on the judge, so it should remain just as fair, if not more so than picking from a proverbial hat.
Rules for non-GM'd fights: 10 posts each, not to exceed 14 days time. 7 days without a post is a forfeit. Fights that reach the limit without a clear winner will be left to a judge's decision.
Yay or nay.
I vote yay.
I'll wait until this vote's over to bring up a new batch of topics, but noting them so we remember to take care of them asap.
-OOC vs IC fights (brought up by community)
-Challenge carry over (Athos)
-Start times (Ace)
-Free-for-all vs brackets (community)
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1. Stick with status quo, yay.
2. Yay. But that excludes intro posts in the post limit.
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I also would say continue to allow them to choose their own judges.
And also, yes. (Technically 11 posts per person)
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Alright, that's 3-0 for both. Eric can voice his opinion, but unless anyone changes their vote, it stands.
Those participating in non-GM'd fights will choose their own judges, like a regular Bijuu challenge. They will have 10 posts each, or 14 days to fight. Anyone who does not post in 7 days automatically forfeits.
Alright, new stuff.
UettoSenju raises an interesting point on defensive-builds being sorta shafted in the 10 post limit. Should we make it so that fights can exceed the 10 post limit so long as they stay within 14 days? They're still finishing on time, and if both are active, should result in matches not coming to a judge's decision, or at least to an easier one.
So, I guess what I'm say is;
Allow fights to go until the 14 day limit regardless of post count. Yay or nay?
I'll say yay. It won't hurt to let them go until the wire, since the less-active fights will anyways.
Next one's pretty simple, OOC or IC fights? In traditional challenge's, it's left to the participants, but this isn't really traditional. I'd rather see people go all out to reach their goal anyways, so I think OOC would be better for this. It's not often we have 9 beats up for grabs, might as well make it a show.
OOC or IC fights?
My vote is OOC.
I hadn't thought of this one, but Athos brought it up to me, and I figured it's worth settling now.
Should the challenges made carry over into the new host's tenure?
The current rules state you can only challenge the same host once every 3 months, provided you lose. With most of the fights being 1-on-1, the result isn't likely to change if they challenge the same person right away. Though, it's not necessarily covered, since they aren't hosts yet. I could go either way on this one, honestly, so I'll hold my vote and see if you guys (Council and/or community) have anything to say.
Next, we have start times. I see a lot of people saying Friday would be good. I'm not opposed to that. The sign up ends on Wednesday, so that gives people Thursday to discuss judges and whatnot with their opponents and also gets things going quickly. It also gives people the weekend to work with right away, which should make things start fast. That sound good? I won't call a vote on this one yet, just in case anyone has other ideas.
Lastly, at least for now, what to do with the Bijuu fights with more than 2 people, mainly the Kyuubi. As it currently stands, someone's going to get off easy and only have to fight once or twice, while the other four have at least two fights, likely three. Right now, the only viable options are to continue the bracket, or have a free-for-all fight. I'm heavily against the free-for-all. With that many people, it's never going to end, and 2 weeks certainly won't be enough. The winner will just end up being the last person to go before someone went inactive, because by that point, no one will be keeping track and they'll be the last one to be automatically forfeit.
With a bracket, it may come down to a bit of luck, but we could always have person 1 vs person 2, person 3 vs person 4. Person 5 gets a first round bye. Then winner of 1-2 vs Person 5 with winner of 3-4 getting a bye. Then winner of 1-2-5 vs winner of 3-4. It's not the best, but at least everyone had to fight at least twice to win. And of course if there's 6, then it'll just look like the NFL playoffs, and 7, the 7th person get a bye then winner of 1-2 vs 3-4, 5-6 vs 7, etc. I doubt it'll get past 8, and that's the easiest to accommodate.
Also, it goes without saying that the bracket will be determined randomly, should it be what we go with.
So,
Bracket Tournament or Free-For-All for challenge groups larger than 2?
My vote is Bracket.
If there's anything else we should go over, feel free to post. This goes for Council and Community.
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I say if the participants agree then let them go unlimited posts within 14 days.
All fights are OOC. Don't need to be killing 10 people off at once. .-.
That's a tough one, but I don't think they should be banned for 3 months. Maybe make it 1 instead of 3? Since it's not a traditional fight this time, but I'm sure those who win don't want to fight the same people 2 weeks later.
I say let them start fights now if they want. As said there's really no one else to join. And if there is then they'll be thrown into the next fight to happen. I don't see any harm in it.
For the kyuubi since the votes aren't even, I did a random straw thing. The person with the short straw gets a pass. And in the topic I made the rest of the names for the 2 tails were already ranomized. So just need to re-do the kyuubi unless people don't agree on my straw post being 'legit' or something.
I'll repost it here.
Did a short straw randomizer and recorded it.
https://sendvid.com/r7n6rra8
Straw site:
https://www.dsrw.org/~dlg/web/straws.php?
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I say let them start fights now if they want. As said there's really no one else to join. And if there is then they'll be thrown into the next fight to happen. I don't see any harm in it.
Not everyone checks in daily. I don't like the idea of cutting it off now, because from the outside it looks like an attempt to limit participants before people you don't like get a chance to join. I'm sure that's not your intention, but I don't think anyone's going to suffer by waiting the full week. We don't even have all the rules ironed out. Let's not repeat the same mistake of starting things before we figure out what they're going to be. Have some patients. We'll get this done in due time and get it right the first time.
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I say let them start fights now if they want. As said there's really no one else to join. And if there is then they'll be thrown into the next fight to happen. I don't see any harm in it.
Not everyone checks in daily. I don't like the idea of cutting it off now, because from the outside it looks like an attempt to limit participants before people you don't like get a chance to join. I'm sure that's not your intention, but I don't think anyone's going to suffer by waiting the full week. We don't even have all the rules ironed out. Let's not repeat the same mistake of starting things before we figure out what they're going to be. Have some patients. We'll get this done in due time and get it right the first time.
In the other thread I was telling people to wait till at least Wednesday to start their fight due to the rules not being fully formed. I'm 50/50 on this mostly, but that's just because of mine and everyone elses' own eagerness. To go about it with the intent of having things run smoothly, we wait.
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Let them pick their own judges I agree with.
Defensive loadouts can still get shafted; a 7 day no post period is the forfeit, so say an offensive player does not post for 3 days at a time if his opponent has gone all turtle on him. If the judge does not see turtling as a good way to play a biju match, then at the end of the day the player who went on the offensive the most would win.
On the other hand, if a defense can't be broken within the 10 post limit, then the judge might very well consider the defensive player the winner.
1) The 10 post per person limit or the 14 day limit, whichever is shorter for 1v1 fights. I at the least do not want to see this drag out, because as I stated above, defensive players are not necessarily going to get shafted. I see no reason to have these fights go on longer than they have to.
2) OOC fights. Nevermind killing people off, an OOC fight will encourage people that there is not a serious risk for at least trying.
3) Give the new hosts thier grace period, and still have the 3 month period on the loser of the match. Just like a regular biju fight in that regard.
4) For groups larger than 2 but less than say 5, I think a free-for-all with adjusted times is the better choice. The forfeit post count would be moved down to 3 days, but the overall time count would add 2 days for each participant over 2 (I.E, 14 days for 3 people, 16 days for 4 people, etc.) The winner is determined by the judge.
Only way I would suggest a bracket tournament is if all of those wanting a biju were put into the bracket, and the top 2 or 3 get to choose which biju they want while the rest either go home empty handed or take what is left. Otherwise, I think a bracket is kind of unecessary, since to my knowledge we're not looking at any one biju having more than 4-ish people vying for it (I notice the 9-tails has 5 atm, which under my suggestion would extend the overall fight time to 20 days) so a free-for-all would kill all the birds in a single fight.
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I would vote that it is acceptable for the fights to go over the post limit within the 14 days. I myself have a more defense-heavy build, so it's kind of cool to see consideration for that.
OOC fights are good. Death always gets weird here and there's no reason for us to pile up a bunch of corpses from this.
I don't think challenges made should carry over. If those that lose these upcoming matches think they can do better a second time, there's no reason they can't re-issue a new challenge after the grace period of whoever the winners turn out to be.
Bracket/Brawl is tough for me. People can say I'm crazy but I do like to believe that it is possible for a nice melee to occur. But, for the sake of organization, the bracket is obviously better. So I would say bracket excepting any match where the participants unanimously decide they would like a brawl. (I wouldn't want anyone to feel forced into one)
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I agree that if the contestants want a free for all, or even three of them...that this be permitted.
I agree that 14 days be the cap for each event, again up to the members of that match to exceed 10 posts each...not counting the opener posts.
I disagree that this consideration should differ for the 1v1 matches and the multiple contestant matches. It matters not how many are fighting, all should have the same options.
As for challenge carry over to new hosts. No. This is a contest. No one is a current host being challenged for anything. The council is being challenged. There is nothing to inherit.
And after each winner gets his beast, he gets his grace period for settling in with his beast. He can opt to wave this, as per the rules, but no challenges should be made until he posts on what date his grace period ends in his very own bijuu rule/preferences thread. and if he waves the grace period, that should also be noted in that personal thread.
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Helloooo
You may ignore me, or consider my words. This is all up to you. At this point I am not even sure, whether I am still part of the council, or not.
However. With the Bijuu more or less free, wouldn't this be the best time to revise the rules?
I know what you think.
Why, should we? This is too much work.
Work that we should consider. The Bijuu are supposed to be the biggest entities out there. And yet we handle them like trophies. They are less worth than Pokemon. How do we gain them? Mostly out of character.
I remember , our main issue was inactivity, and thus people hogging a Bijuu. But i do not think this should be the main reason for them to be handled OOC , only.
We fight and use them OOC. In fact, they are nonexistent on SL. After all, we only use them outside the actual game. So why do we even bicker and fight for them? They have no actual relevance, they are less worth than a badge or rank. At least right now as they are.
I say get them out of the Forum, entirely. Use them on SL only. Have mods and Gms watch over them. We can still handle something with the activity, have a blog if it has to be, but all challenges, all fights should be IC. Look or them IC. Fight for them IC.
Your character gets hurt? Gets injured? Well, perhaps it makes your character a better one?
This is roleplay. A character gets hurt, crippled even. A character may change over the course of time. This is how it is. This is the Thrill. You may attempt to plan ahead, but who says this will go your way?
In fact, it may just go a whole nother course!
I suggest waiting with the Bijuu right now. Have them on a Hold for distribution. I mean, they are not that important right now, so it shouldn't be too harmful to any player. Think of better and simpler rules, therefore giving newbies a chance as well.
Another Idea. The Bijuu just got free, why not have an event where they go rampage and attack villages and places? Then you can test ICly who would be up for it and who not. Wouldn't this be exciting?
Fodder for thought...
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Helloooo
You may ignore me, or consider my words. This is all up to you. At this point I am not even sure, whether I am still part of the council, or not.
However. With the Bijuu more or less free, wouldn't this be the best time to revise the rules?
I know what you think.
Why, should we? This is too much work.
Work that we should consider. The Bijuu are supposed to be the biggest entities out there. And yet we handle them like trophies. They are less worth than Pokemon. How do we gain them? Mostly out of character.
I remember , our main issue was inactivity, and thus people hogging a Bijuu. But i do not think this should be the main reason for them to be handled OOC , only.
We fight and use them OOC. In fact, they are nonexistent on SL. After all, we only use them outside the actual game. So why do we even bicker and fight for them? They have no actual relevance, they are less worth than a badge or rank. At least right now as they are.
I say get them out of the Forum, entirely. Use them on SL only. Have mods and Gms watch over them. We can still handle something with the activity, have a blog if it has to be, but all challenges, all fights should be IC. Look or them IC. Fight for them IC.
Your character gets hurt? Gets injured? Well, perhaps it makes your character a better one?
This is roleplay. A character gets hurt, crippled even. A character may change over the course of time. This is how it is. This is the Thrill. You may attempt to plan ahead, but who says this will go your way?
In fact, it may just go a whole nother course!
I suggest waiting with the Bijuu right now. Have them on a Hold for distribution. I mean, they are not that important right now, so it shouldn't be too harmful to any player. Think of better and simpler rules, therefore giving newbies a chance as well.
Another Idea. The Bijuu just got free, why not have an event where they go rampage and attack villages and places? Then you can test ICly who would be up for it and who not. Wouldn't this be exciting?
Fodder for thought...
Several good ideas. But I have counter points.
1. You can try to hold redistributing them, but you already have several members of the community breathing on the council's neck, so good luck.
2. Good point on fighting for the biju on SL and not the forum. I just know some people prefer the forum, as fights in zones typically get interrupted or covered up by other people/ harder to see people's post broken up in pieces. But fair point.
3. IC fights are a bad idea, unless all contestants want them. With your character risking something, more people argue. Also you you want newbies to have a chance? Well IC fights aren't the way. In my time at SL, you know what I see when newbies fight a op vet on sl IC? They don't get hurt, or crippled, they die within 5 posts. They get frustrated their character was killed and they leave SL. If you want newbies to have a chance, it wouldn't be with an IC fight.
4. For the biju to be a threat to a village, the village would have to nerf themselves, or the biju would have to increase in power for the fight. Our roleplayers are like Madara who soloed all 9 biju at once. A whole village of madara's would take out a biju in 1 post. Unless you powered them up.
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...We fight and use them OOC. In fact, they are nonexistent on SL. After all, we only use them outside the actual game...
That is mostly a symptom of the players and the current situation in SL. The jinchurikii were weapons of war in the series, but wars don't really break out in SL. As Trev already stated, a village attack IC would require either powering up the bijus or demanding the villages to get rid of their defesnses. Unlike an etheral spirit from the ancient times, there is only so much scale up on the biju that you can do that is reasonable, especially since alot of that power is going to be nerfed back to the way it was once the biju is defeated and re-sealed.
Players bickered and hoarded and all sorts of things, so bit by bit the tailed beast fights began to migrate away from IC hunts and quests to OOC brawls with a judge. Bocchiere leaving, I do not think, is going to change that.
People breathing down the neck of the Council (speaking for myself) is not really a big part of this, but then again, having the biju attack a village would exclude many of the people who actually want the tailed beast(s). There are 9 biju, but what, 7 "main" villages - Konoha, Iwa, Kumo, Kiri, Suna, Uzuiosho, Ame, Oto - how would the attacks be split up evenly so that there is not a really strong bias? Obviously Shukaku attacking Suna makes sense cause it can abuse the large amounts of sand, or the 6-tails with acid spitting rain in Kirigakure, but that kind of takes away the "choose what you want" element of the whole thing. Which may or may not be a bad thing I guess.
To redo the biju rules significantly to make the beasts less of trophies, we would have to go back to a system that does not obligate the beasts to be up for grabs at any point in time, that they don't have to constantly be in a circulation of sorts. That's not fair to someone who wants them but can't have them because a pot somewhere in JoJo land has the beast he or she wants. It would require redoing the mindset towards the biju.
Overall, while I"m personally warm to the idea, I do not think that is a general desire among those who want biju.
Also, I don't recall you being formally replaced. Even still, you can post your opinion here Council member or not.
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Nothing is going to change. These points have been brought up before.
SL is without rules or guidelines so it attracts people with like minds that like to be a god.
I and others have built and tried to implement nerfs on things and adjust the rules. Some have passed and others failed.
Some people actually do RP with their bijuu. Not all, but some.
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You know, i think being so overpowered, is also just due to the mindset of SL, nowadays.
You can ask Kay how often Silver was cripple din the past. Far too often within a single week. And yet there was some sort of fairness between a newbie and a veteran. This existed back then. It was part of the community. But with time, the sense of Fair play vanished. Instead of finding middle grounds, people would insist on their way, being THE WAY.
And what is it that we do? We who are the veterans now? We let this happen. We accept this, despite knowing that we could change it. Yes, this requires work. Yes it means you would go and actually hunt for the Bijuu. You would need to roleplay and someone would need to keep an eye on their activity.
I do not think it would be unfair to hunt after some Jinchuriki. In fact, it would be a challenge, something that is also dying out on SL. We need challenges and events. We need a fresh breeze. We would have a chance now.
The Bijuu would still be up to grabs, only within character. Would probably need an in character council as well. As for the attacks, we can just choose 9 zones and make them smaller villages at the border of the countries. Or anything we can think of,a free field for creativity here.
Time to think out of the box, i suppose...Also if those who wish to claim the Bijuu only wish to do that in order to show off, then aren't they against actual Roleplay? If all they do is hoard them , for the sake of hoarding, then...and i apologize if i am harsh now, then they are perhaps no good hosts.
It would be easier if we had events and got exp for these. And if we all had the chance to put exp into stats and said stats translated into chances for something to work right....ah..dice would make this all easier at times...but now i am too old fashioned again, sorry. Sometimes i dream.
And sometimes i want a mini bijuu as pet...ahem.
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Amazing and valid points.
But if you want to do that, you have to be a real rp mod with real rp power (something this site lacks). If the council were to try something like that, there's no way the community would just sit by.
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Once someone has a bijuu, they can determine if they want OOC or IC challenges, right? If I win, I just want IC and SL only, I hate the forum only stuff >_> But I see where Silver is coming from and I do miss those days.
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You know, i think being so overpowered, is also just due to the mindset of SL, nowadays.
You can ask Kay how often Silver was cripple din the past. Far too often within a single week. And yet there was some sort of fairness between a newbie and a veteran. This existed back then. It was part of the community. But with time, the sense of Fair play vanished. Instead of finding middle grounds, people would insist on their way, being THE WAY.
And what is it that we do? We who are the veterans now? We let this happen. We accept this, despite knowing that we could change it. Yes, this requires work. Yes it means you would go and actually hunt for the Bijuu. You would need to roleplay and someone would need to keep an eye on their activity.
I do not think it would be unfair to hunt after some Jinchuriki. In fact, it would be a challenge, something that is also dying out on SL. We need challenges and events. We need a fresh breeze. We would have a chance now.
The Bijuu would still be up to grabs, only within character. Would probably need an in character council as well. As for the attacks, we can just choose 9 zones and make them smaller villages at the border of the countries. Or anything we can think of,a free field for creativity here.
Time to think out of the box, i suppose...Also if those who wish to claim the Bijuu only wish to do that in order to show off, then aren't they against actual Roleplay? If all they do is hoard them , for the sake of hoarding, then...and i apologize if i am harsh now, then they are perhaps no good hosts.
It would be easier if we had events and got exp for these. And if we all had the chance to put exp into stats and said stats translated into chances for something to work right....ah..dice would make this all easier at times...but now i am too old fashioned again, sorry. Sometimes i dream.
And sometimes i want a mini bijuu as pet...ahem.
Overpowered isn't a mindset, it's the natural progress SL has always done. Things were fair back then, as the manga was not quite developed. A newbie actually stood a chance against a veteran. The strongest attacks back in the day were like chidori and rasengan. In part 1, genin level sasuke could hold his own against part one kakashi.
But the manga got more op and so did the players, cause more was available. I remember when Susanoo appeared and everyone thought that was unfair and we should nerf. Now susanoo is almost laughable to some players. As the manga developed, so did we as players. I don't believe it's a mindset. Only way to go back is if you banned part 2 naruto, that ain't going to happen.
I among others don't have a nostalgia for the past. I remember it almost being lawless, which some enjoyed, but I didn't. I would fight vets as a noob, and they would try to kill and sometimes they would (Shinro did kill me, but voided it) but there wasn't that much mercy towards newbies.
As I have said, and Eric also reiterated, hunting the biju would lead to their defeat without a nerf or power up. Most players on this site, can beat a biju in less than 3 posts should they choose to rush it.
As for IC jinch hunt, it was tried and failed. People just hide themselves from hunters, it didn't go well.
As for biju being a trophy, it is true some players treat them that way ( I do) but numerous others do not and rp with their biju (Athos comes to mind)
I get wanting to do things differently, but so far SL has shown it won't work. What has worked consistently during the various eras of SL? A straight up fight for the biju. Worked with Zen and Rai's time, works fairly well now.
I'm being negative, but the things you propose would require such fundamental change to SL. It's been tried and failed to nerf everyone, Shadow tried, and his nerf wasn't even that big of a nerf.
Also for the biju randomly attacking, as eric stated, how would you decide which biju attacks who? If you make the Kyuubi attack a certain group or village, some one may think you're biased.
Only solution I could possibly see is banning having multiple biju (Good luck with that) and they may become less of a trophy. Or use a very old biju rule and ban the formation of the ten tails. Then players may not want more than one, as a benefit to collecting them is to eventually form the ten tails, which becomes obsolete.
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Here's said nerf - http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7738.0.html
Shoutout to 3/4 years back
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Hey, I don't want to tell you guys to stop, because it's a good discussion and there are valid points that could be argued about for weeks, but let's try to keep this thread on-task so that we have our ducks lined up for Wednesday. Maybe make a new thread to discuss possible rule changes, past vs present, and the like and keep this one about the current situation.
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In case you all missed it, I bailed on the Gedo event. Zetsu Moenkopi escaped into the world and it is now back in the hands of the council to tend to.
And gee...4 days before October even.
have fun.
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We'll figure something out for it, but I think we should still wait until the 0-9(-4) are distributed. That'll give us some time to figure something out that's fair while everyone that might be interested has their hands full vying for their beast.
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This might sound dumb, but I say it stays locked away forever until a single pre-requisite is fulfilled. That being, being in current possession of all 9 bijuu. They mysteriously learn a random set of Kata, and boom, it's theirs.
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This might sound dumb, but I say it stays locked away forever until a single pre-requisite is fulfilled. That being, being in current possession of all 9 bijuu. They mysteriously learn a random set of Kata, and boom, it's theirs.
That's a not a terrible solution. I'd still rather table it for now and figure out the details for the upcoming fights.
I'll count the votes before I go to bed, since I know Hades and Eric voted, but I need to finish my homework.
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This might sound dumb, but I say it stays locked away forever until a single pre-requisite is fulfilled. That being, being in current possession of all 9 bijuu. They mysteriously learn a random set of Kata, and boom, it's theirs.
To be fair, Akatsuki had possession of the statue long before they collected all of the bijuu. Then again, we don't really know where they got it (if I remember correctly) and it didn't really do much while they had it until it became full of bijuu.
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This might sound dumb, but I say it stays locked away forever until a single pre-requisite is fulfilled. That being, being in current possession of all 9 bijuu. They mysteriously learn a random set of Kata, and boom, it's theirs.
To be fair, Akatsuki had possession of the statue long before they collected all of the bijuu. Then again, we don't really know where they got it (if I remember correctly) and it didn't really do much while they had it until it became full of bijuu.
Didn't Nagato say something like he just knew how to summon it when he activated the Rinnegan? I thought it was something dumb like that.
Also, gonna have to do it tomorrow. Roommate's throwing shade for being up at 1 am.
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Yeah, there was never an explicit explanation of how Nagato knew how to summon it, but he did so in order to try to protect Yahiko (and protect Konan). I suppose one might presume that the knowledge of summoning the ten tails' husk becomes innate to the possessor of the sage of six paths' eye jutsu. Also not clear how he knew he could store the bijū in it after it had left him with a bunch of rods in his back, but probably something along the same lines.
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This might sound dumb, but I say it stays locked away forever until a single pre-requisite is fulfilled. That being, being in current possession of all 9 bijuu. They mysteriously learn a random set of Kata, and boom, it's theirs.
To be fair, Akatsuki had possession of the statue long before they collected all of the bijuu. Then again, we don't really know where they got it (if I remember correctly) and it didn't really do much while they had it until it became full of bijuu.
The Sage of Six paths hid the husk on the moon. When Madara finally awakened the Rinni in his old age, he "learned" the summoning jutsu for the Gedo Mazo. He passed it onto Obito when he died which then fell into the possession of the Akatsuki.
Edit: I'm wrong. Madara broke the seal, which allowed him to summon the Mazo. Nagato, who had Madaras eyes, summoned the Mazo in a fit of rage.
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I don't think locking it until someone collects all 9 bijuu is a bad idea.
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Yes, please inspire another generation of multiple bijuu hoarding, but this time give em the Gedo if they do it. >>
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Bijuu hoarding is already going to happen. >>
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no sense in rewarding that instance. I like the notion that its not just the big prize for collecting all nine.
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It's the husk of the ten tails. It serves no other purpose besides life support like madara used it
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It's the husk of the ten tails. It serves no other purpose besides life support like madara used it
If that's the case, then let me take a swing at it << if it is that useless.
But honestly, it being the reward for getting all Nine beasts is just wrong, especially seeing that it was ruled the Gedo Mazo is to be treated as a Bijuu. Not a special Bijuu people get as a reward for completely something, or an item used for some GM event where people won't be able to get along...
The Mazo is suppose to be treated like a Bijuu and therefore it is suppose to follow the rules of a Bijuu, as well >.> Unless that and the rules magically changed once the item was put in the hands of the council, which I doubt.
So yeah, claims on first challenge <<; Along with my two cents.
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It's the husk of the ten tails. It serves no other purpose besides life support like madara used it
If that's the case, then let me take a swing at it << if it is that useless.
But honestly, it being the reward for getting all Nine beasts is just wrong, especially seeing that it was ruled the Gedo Mazo is to be treated as a Bijuu. Not a special Bijuu people get as a reward for completely something, or an item used for some GM event where people won't be able to get along...
The Mazo is suppose to be treated like a Bijuu and therefore it is suppose to follow the rules of a Bijuu, as well >.> Unless that and the rules magically changed once the item was put in the hands of the council, which I doubt.
So yeah, claims on first challenge <<; Along with my two cents.
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I understand what you're saying. Basically keeping the Mazo for the first person to get all 9 basically encourages a hording culture of sorts.
But, truth be told, that's why I stated the rule. That culture is already established and thriving on SL; my suggestion on it seeked to compliment it. For example, Athos, weren't you the first person to challenge the council for all 9 bijuu? ;)
Then this is my new proposed plan then. We add the Gedo Mazo to the voting list, bringing the things on there to 11. And then we elongate the deadline from Wednesday to Friday or Saturday. If you want to treat it like a bijuu, then I say treat him like a bijuu.
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I understand what you're saying. Basically keeping the Mazo for the first person to get all 9 basically encourages a hording culture of sorts.
But, truth be told, that's why I stated the rule. That culture is already established and thriving on SL; my suggestion on it seeked to compliment it. For example, Athos, weren't you the first person to challenge the council for all 9 bijuu? ;)
Then this is my new proposed plan then. We add the Gedo Mazo to the voting list, bringing the things on there to 11. And then we elongate the deadline from Wednesday to Friday or Saturday. If you want to treat it like a bijuu, then I say treat him like a bijuu.
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Also,
1. 14 day limit, yay
2. Carry Over
3. ooc
4. Bracket
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I understand what you're saying. Basically keeping the Mazo for the first person to get all 9 basically encourages a hording culture of sorts.
But, truth be told, that's why I stated the rule. That culture is already established and thriving on SL; my suggestion on it seeked to compliment it. For example, Athos, weren't you the first person to challenge the council for all 9 bijuu? ;)
Then this is my new proposed plan then. We add the Gedo Mazo to the voting list, bringing the things on there to 11. And then we elongate the deadline from Wednesday to Friday or Saturday. If you want to treat it like a bijuu, then I say treat him like a bijuu.
Alright, fair enough, Genny >>
And I'm not council but I like that newly suggested plan, so yay to that > : D
But that would also beg the question, could I put in a second challenge for it and fight for it, since it would be a late addition? And not just myself but anyone else already fighting a beast? o.o
I'm sure a lot of people would want the Mazo, maybe. So I can imagine it would get a lot of people fighting over it.
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I understand what you're saying. Basically keeping the Mazo for the first person to get all 9 basically encourages a hording culture of sorts.
But, truth be told, that's why I stated the rule. That culture is already established and thriving on SL; my suggestion on it seeked to compliment it. For example, Athos, weren't you the first person to challenge the council for all 9 bijuu? ;)
Then this is my new proposed plan then. We add the Gedo Mazo to the voting list, bringing the things on there to 11. And then we elongate the deadline from Wednesday to Friday or Saturday. If you want to treat it like a bijuu, then I say treat him like a bijuu.
Alright, fair enough, Genny >>
And I'm not council but I like that newly suggested plan, so yay to that > : D
But that would also beg the question, could I put in a second challenge for it and fight for it, since it would be a late addition? And not just myself but anyone else already fighting a beast? o.o
I'm sure a lot of people would want the Mazo, maybe. So I can imagine it would get a lot of people fighting over it.
If it's gonna be treated exactly like a "biju" second challenges shouldn't be allowed, since it's no different than the rest. 1 challenge per person, people should be able to switch to the mazo should they wish though.
Although the other members have to vote, Chinote was of the opinion it be locked until the rest are distributed.
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I think we should worry about the re-distribution of the other eight bijuu, before we start talking about distributing the Gedo Mazo. After all, come next week we can start tackling this topic and set up either a gamemaster-controlled event or a player vs player bracket with the winner receiving the Gedo Mazo as a prize.
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I think we should worry about the re-distribution of the other eight bijuu, before we start talking about distributing the Gedo Mazo. After all, come next week we can start tackling this topic and set up either a gamemaster-controlled event or a player vs player bracket with the winner receiving the Gedo Mazo as a prize.
Camel beat me to it, so I'm just going to say "this."
Let's deal with the 0-3,5-9 first, then we can put the Gedo up for grabs. Be that another tournament or some GM event, whatever. We can figure that out while everyone's fighting for the other tailed beasts.
It was voted upon to be treated like a regular bijuu, so I see no reason to lock it away and actively promote hording. If people want to hording all the bijuu, then the only ones stopping them are the other hosts. But we should not actively promote it, even if it is technically legal.
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I think we should worry about the re-distribution of the other eight bijuu, before we start talking about distributing the Gedo Mazo. After all, come next week we can start tackling this topic and set up either a gamemaster-controlled event or a player vs player bracket with the winner receiving the Gedo Mazo as a prize.
Completely Agreed.
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Wish I could have gotten to it last night, but better late than never.
Fights may go beyond the 10 post limit, but are not to exceed 14 days. If there is no winner, a judge's decision must be made 14 days after the start date. [3-1 vote]
All fights will be OOC, unless both participants agree on IC. [4-0]
Those in 1-on-1 fights cannot challenge the new host for 3 months. Those who personally fall to the winner of the brackets may not challenge the winner. They may challenge other hosts, after their respective grace periods end. [3-1]
Unless agreed upon by all participants, challenge groups with more than 2 people will be a bracketed tournament. [3-1]
ALL fights must start by Friday, September 30. If the fight is in a private zone, be sure to make it so we can see it. If the fight is in a dwelling, provide a key to at least one Council member. If the fight is in PMs, forward the message containing the starting post of each fighter to at least one Council member. If it's on the forum, odds are I'll see it.
Anyone who does not begin by the following Friday (Oct 7) will be automatically forfeit.
All matches end in 14 days. No matches will go beyond October 14.
If your fight does not have a clear winner, please get a prompt decision by the judge both parties agreed upon.
I'll probably make a thread for keeping track of the fights and stuff.
I think that's about everything besides the Gedo, which we can tackle once the fights start, and the final match ups, which we can't officially do until tomorrow.
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ALL fights must start by Friday, September 30.
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Anyone who does not begin by the following Friday (Oct 7) will be automatically forfeit.
Pick one
(the latter is better IMO)
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ALL fights must start by Friday, September 30.
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Anyone who does not begin by the following Friday (Oct 7) will be automatically forfeit.
Pick one
(the latter is better IMO)
No.
What I'm saying is that if you don't manually start your fight by Friday the 30th, then the timer's going to start regardless. If you don't make an attempt by the 7th, you're out.
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ALL fights must start by Friday, September 30.
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Anyone who does not begin by the following Friday (Oct 7) will be automatically forfeit.
Pick one
(the latter is better IMO)
No.
What I'm saying is that if you don't manually start your fight by Friday the 30th, then the timer's going to start regardless. If you don't make an attempt by the 7th, you're out.
That doesn't make any sense. All fights must start by a certain date means all of the fights. You might as well just give them till next Friday to get started, but then they only have 7 days to fight as all fights apparently have the same cut-off date.
Additionally, Council Members don't really need access to dwellings and such; all we need are the judges (or participants) to tell us if a fight doesn't start by the deadline or finishes early. We don't (and won't) be micromanaging every single biju fight because that is neither our job nor our responsibility.
Have faith Chinote, if there are violations, there will be people chomping at the bit to call their opponent(s) out.
Seeing as we have gone with the bracket idea though, how in the world is that supposed to work exactly? You fight first competitor the first 7 days and then face off against the next one the next 7 days? Or do those fights actually go longer than 14 days? Making the fights bracketed, while more organized, does kind of put a kink into all fights ending at the same exact date no matter what.
I suggest that, since brackets were agreed upon, considerations need to be made for the larger brackets (I.E, the 9-tails bracket).
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The 9 tails and 2 tails will take longer to get to a host.
However the fights in the brackets are supposed to happen at the same time.
So it shouldn't take longer than 2 weeks after October 14th
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The 9 tails and 2 tails will take longer to get to a host.
However the fights in the brackets are supposed to happen at the same time.
So it shouldn't take longer than 2 weeks after October 14th
14 day limit for each fight? So a 6 man bracket would last almost 32 days? (14 x 3?)
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The 9 tails and 2 tails will take longer to get to a host.
However the fights in the brackets are supposed to happen at the same time.
So it shouldn't take longer than 2 weeks after October 14th
14 day limit for each fight? So a 6 man bracket would last almost 32 days? (14 x 3?)
Depends on if they're going with the 10 posts per person rule or not
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14 day limit for each fight? So a 6 man bracket would last almost 32 days? (14 x 3?)
Depends on if they're going with the 10 posts per person rule or not
Well, if by chance 10 posts per person takes the whole 14 day limit to get through.
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Each fight in the bracket will have it's own 14 day limit. That puts the 2 Tails at 28 days and the 9 at 42. Yea, that seems like a lot, but that's a drop in the bucket in the amount of time these kinds of fights usually go before someone calls the other inactive and then it just devolves into stripping. It'll be fine.