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Total Members Voted: 12

Voting closed: May 06, 2012, 10:51:17 PM

[Camel]

EDIT: Cheese

I rather be a judge for roleplaying then remain on the sub/council.
Just putting it out there.

[Raifudo Oppa]

I really hope you're trolling. Not because I want to report you for doing so, no; but because it's the same people to disprove your claim. I added their reasons for having been added/suggested.

   Raifudo
    Zenaku
    Shun
    Jinzo
    Chika
    Nathan
    Rakudo
    Yumei(if willing)
 Rares

Just look at the list for heaven's sake!
Does anything seem different from this one?

Raifudo: Raikage proclaimed by JinEchizen - Not SLS.
Zenaku: Raikage proclaimed by Raifudo - Not SLS.
Shun: Pete has been known long and well as a popular antagonist and powerful shinobi. He received Kage-ship off of SLS.
Jinzo: Old-time player on SL and currently acknowledged due to his reputable zoning and knowledge of in-game things.
Chika: I don't really know the guy.
Nathan: Long-time player of SL; currently acknowledged due to his active zoning skills, etc.
Rakudo: Mizukage proclaimed by (dunno) - Not SLS.
Yumei: Hokage. Proclaimed by (dunno) - Not SLS
Rares: Long-time player known for his zoning skills and input. He has turned down kage-ship and bijuus on multiple occasions which further proves his non-power hungry ways.

Edit: Saw your, now, edited post.

Yeah, there is something different: 28 people were excluded?
6 from our list are in that list.
So, technically, 31 were removed.

Edit: Responding to your edit.

I'll have you know I have no intention of bashing this thread in any way or form but I am entitled to my opinion.
And I stand firm on my first claim of corruption on the basis this new council is not even using democracy to elect it's official more so; favoritism.
I know it well and I don't like to play favorites

"...no intention of bashing.. any way or form..."
"...I stand firm on my first claim of corruption..."

"Mr. President, I don't want to say you're a terrible leader, but you're running this nation horribly and should quit office."
^ ^ ^ I don't want to, but I still will.

You want us to use democracy to elect our officials?
Are we not electing people and agreeing to them?
Is it not unanimous so far of the people present?
Do we have to make an MoTd to elect people for it?

[Uchiha, Rares]

   Raifudo
    Zenaku
    Shun
    Jinzo
    Chika
    Nathan
    Rakudo
    Yumei(if willing)
 Rares

Just look at the list for heaven's sake!
Does anything seem different from this one?

[quotes]Tenative List of Known Council Members at This Time 37 members Total

Present and Past Jinchuuriki: Incomplete Listing 20 members

Zyeta (Leaf)                Dizzy[Oto]                     Darkshinobi (Konoha)            Mangetsu (Oto)
Tetsujin (Kumo)             Zenaku (Kumo)             Kamui [Konoha]                    Bocchiere [Mising Nin]
Yugito [Kumo]               Yukio [Iwa]                   CJofTheDesert [Suna]             Warren [Kiri]
Rakudo/Cmage [Kiri]     Shigeo [Kiri]                  UzumakiWarrior [Wanderer]     Jinzo [Kumo]                       
Luka [Kiri]                     Raifudo [Kumo]              Tomi [Konoha]                        Isaribi [Kiri]


Present and Past Village Kages: Incomplete Listing 9 members
* indicates already listed and counted above

Raijin Hikari (Suna)              Yumei (Konoha)                Hidesamu (Iwa)          * Tetsujin [Kumo]
*Zenaku (Kumo)                  *Enma Makaze (Oto)       ShadowX [Oto]            * Raifudo [Kumo]
Stark [Iwa]                          *CjofTheDesert [Suna]    *Kayenta [Suna]         *Shigeo [Kiri]
* Rakudo/Cmage [Kiri]        Purple [Kiri]                      Izaku Raiken/TheWhiteFangofKahona [Oto]                      
*Kamui [Konoha]                 * Tomi [Konoha]              JinEchizen [Kumo]        Solo Iori [Oto] 
                           
             

Living Large in Retirement: 8 members
Kyu [Kiri]                               Taumaster [Oto]               Raiken [Kumo]         Sharuto [Iwa/Konoha]
Seraphim [Konoha]               Abyss [Kiri]                       Ranketsu (Kiri)         Virikas [Iwa] 

No offense and all, but I highly dislike your attitude towards this given it is taking place under a grand ignorance. Otherwise, you would know the arguments towards changing such by reading the last thread throughly. Alas, I'll save you the long read.

Roughly around 20 of those are simply inactive, quite a few of them deemed as unworthy, untrusted, and unacknowledged in means of valor by the community in general. In a perfect world, all kage and jinchuriki would be a brilliant base, but this is not such, and a bunch of them are simply not "there" by far. In case some would want to bring up something like "what gives you the right.... and so on". Nothing does, I speak out of knowledge of their rp, negative reputation in regards to such, insight, behavior, etc.
To sum it up, too many either incompetent or inactive, no sl interest, etc. are there. And those highly competent and willing that have not been kage nor jinchuriki are excluded.

[Camel]

Re-read my statements after my revision before starting a response, it makes it seems like I started an unintentional troll.

Edit; Responding to the both you pertaining the list.
Edit; Made some changes to the responses and fixed some grammatical errors.

@Raifudo

You want us to use democracy to elect our officials?
Are we not electing people and agreeing to them?
Is it not unanimous so far of the people present?
Do we have to make an MoTd to elect people for it?

You're electing by not unanimous decision but rather, "Oh I know that guy, so yea he's in!"
Only natural the respondent agrees to the decision by that member since it will benefit him in his seat of power.
Also just having one guy vouch for that elected followed by you just "voting" him in doesn't make it official until the other kages agree to so.
You don't have to make a MOTD, smart guy...just make a poll on the forums and then go from there.


@Rares
And I disliked your attitude towards our fellow players but I tolerated it to an extent.
The list I posted is the former...so what will you tell the "inactives" when they actually want a part on this?
Also not more then half of the list are inactives...I see almost everyone on this list every game day or so. IE; Tommi, Yukio, Dizzy, Zyeta, Hidesamu, Etc.

No offense and all, but I highly dislike your attitude towards this given it is taking place under a grand ignorance

Ignorance is a bliss someone once said and look where it gotten us...farther down the spiral towards negativity from our fellow roleplayers.

[Raifudo Oppa]

I was already posting before you edited it.

However, I do not completely rid my posts of what was there (e.g. Edit: Cheese) so people have reference to what had happened. I, instead, add "edit: ____" (as I see some people adopting [thankfully]) to list my reason for change.

Now, unless you have anything else to say about the council, rules, etc., etc. that's considered CONSTRUCTIVE OR POSITIVE FEEDBACK, please escort yourself away from my thread.

Edit: Word-play for purpose of loophole.

Edit: Listing the, that I know of, inactives from that list:

1 ) Tetsujin
2 ) Yugito
3 ) Shigeo
4 ) Darkshinobi
5 ) Warren
6 ) Isaribi
7 ) Stark
8 ) Purple
9 ) Makaze (Can't find their name. Doesn't exist anymore for reference.)
10 ) JinEchizen
11 ) Taumaster
12 ) Abyss
13 ) Ranketsu
14 ) Sharuto
15 ) Virikas
16 ) Raiken
17 ) Kayenta
18 ) Seraphim

Seeing since Zenaku, Raifudo, Shigeo, Kayenta* (Yugito), etc. were included twice, you're looking at 29 members, which 18 is more than half of.

Edit: Answering quote.

You're electing by not unanimous decision but rather, "Oh I know that guy, so yea he's in!"
Only natural the respondent agrees to the decision by that member since it will benefit him in his seat of power.
Also just having one guy vouch for that elected followed by you just "voting" him in doesn't make it official until the other kages agree to so.
You don't have to make a MOTD, smart guy...just make a poll on the forums and then go from there.

Hey, I hear Ron Paul is good at laws, etc. He'd be a fine president. Let's elect him!
- Benefits them since they like the president.
- Why should other countries have a say in my president? Especially when some of those countries don't care, etc?
- Let's make it a vote for him being in! But, sir, the 10 people who actually bother to vote are already here.

See where I'm going with this?
You want me to make a poll on the thread where the people who are in here already said they're acknowledging the council?

[Uchiha, Rares]

Save for HUGELY inactive ones, that are only natural to be removed, I've asked around SL, people I know of, in regards to those I have an issue with being on there. The ones knowing of it go "never acknowledged that council" the others just lol'd. Hell man... some never acknowledged themselves as such, i.e. at the required level of skill, insight, etc. And with this, I end any responses to any accusation of corruption, favoritism, lacking in right, etc.

3. I just thought of it as form for it to be fair for all.
I agree or at the very least, strongly see the point you are making in the rest.

[Camel]

@Raifudo

Makaze is in fact Shun, I believe.
I cannot keep track of alternates, but it's too my knowledge...Makaze underwent a name change and resides with my clan at the moment, although I could be wrong...

[Raifudo Oppa]

Shun is also Mangetsu, so, hey. Brings us down to 17 inactives and a total of 27 individual people.
27 - 17 = 10. Hey, ten people! Which is what we're aiming for council-number-wise.

@ Rares: Yeah; otherwise, we'd have to make rules for missing nin and such. Villages, being larger in population base, should be easier to fill. I still like the thought of a runner-up kind of deal for jinchuuriki-ship, but how are they selected? And, also, if the runner-up takes reigns, do we need a runner-up for the runner-up?

Edit: Made response to Rares longer.

[Shuren]

Makaze is me, Pete. But I was unaware that someone put me as a council. Who the hell did that?

Edit: Well, just for future reference, I'm not taking a council seat -- and never planned to. Please exclude my name from the list. I'm just here to give my input and make suggestions. 

[Raifudo Oppa]

Kay did. She went along the list of past jinchuuriki, etc., etc. and added those people in.

[Uchiha, Rares]

Yeah, Uzamakiwarrior which she misspelled for obvious reasons, was given a bijuu by  Rakudo as a jk I still fail to understand, the dude was pretty much ridiculed as an rp'er at the time and lost to his first challenger, a one year ago or so Boc. >_> In a similar category of ridiculous are several others on that list. But in all my argumentations I didn't give the names and explanations simply because the elaboration can't be done in a none bashful or at least offensive way to the players.

[Raifudo Oppa]

Bouncing off the council hassle between Kay's list and ours:

I can't help but feel obliged to add "Bijuu fights are a 1 v. 1 fight" or something like that, but that doesn't give leeway for things such as summonings, etc.

[Uchiha, Rares]

1 vs 1 should be added. To my knowledge, it was present in one "bijuu rules" variant. If not there, people could just summon other players through various means and what not.

We already talked this out I think. I.e. clones, summons, paths, being allowed along with the now underpowered variant of edo-tensei.

[Raifudo Oppa]

Mind digging up the changes to Edo Tensei and posting them? (Just use the search bar and find Pete's account and look for "edo tensei"), I need to head out for a bit. I'll start rewriting the bijuu rules while I'm gone with what we got.

[Angra Mainyu]

Apparently there will be no more resurrecting already-dead, active SL users, and only those with inhuman quantities of chakra (i.e. jinchuuriki) are able to use it.

Uh... did I leave anything out?