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[Masane]

If the scroll dont teach the jutsu, what is it for? And I could always get the person over me to teach me.
But I think the scroll should teach the jutsu, if not then it is useless and there is no point in anyone having any scrolls for anything.

[Trev]

Have you ever watched how Edo Tensei is performed? Is so, I implore you to do so. It's not like the kinjutsu scroll Naruto used that was "an instruction guide" to learn jutsu.

The scroll is used as a tool. The Dna is placed on a particular seal on the scroll, the correct kata is performed "and by extension chakra mixture. Seals then spread from the scroll and form a circle around the sacrifice. The seals then produce ash to encompass the sacrifice, turning them into an Edo Tensei.

It is not useless, without the scroll, you don't perform the jutsu. But it doesn't inherently teach you the jutsu, just an important step.

Without the knowledge of the technique, it is useless though.

"If ET is pirated from someone (i.e via the Human Path) the person who attains the knowledge takes the spot on the Teacher-Student list of the person they robbed it from. They will then be bond to any "teacher" or "student" that the previous user was connected with." The only way you replace Tsuyo is if you stole the knowledge from his mind (Human path and mind reading technique are the most popular options.) That's pretty much how everyone has been replaced on the list.

 You do that, sure go ahead and replace him on the list. But just having the scroll does not grant you it. However, if he is dead, it is a no go, as that would be unfair to Kamui.

[Hazama]

Man, that'd be crazy. An actual opening in the Edo Tensei list? That's, like, the first time since this rule has been set in place xD

History, yo. History.

[Warren]

Fairly sure Orochimaru did it without a scroll to the zetsus he turned into 1-4 hokages during war arc, so not true unless you try slap SL-only tag on that quirk.

[Masane]

I get it. I just did not know that the details were not in the scroll. I thought it was the other way around. Oh well.

[Masane]

Did Oro actually teach Kabuto or did Kabuto just wander upon his shit in a lab? Because if he was never taught then Kabuto had to learn it somehow right?

[Trev]

Oh yeah, guess Orochimaru did do that, huh? He also didn't use dna (Note the video I just watch, he says he has it, but I fail to see him use it) so that whole sequence seems strange.

@Masane, unknown. Could have been taught it, could have read Oro's work, could have just gotten knowlegde by absorbing Oro. Your guess is as good as mine.

Anyway, rules state it needs to be pirated, not scroll stealing. So if that's how you're gonna try to go about it, might want to make a separate thread to add that amendment.

If not, a spot is open and Kamui can teach.

[Ѕhadow]

Time to cash in my 8+ years of hording my camel gold!

[Kage]

So Tsuyo passed his Edo Tensei scroll stuff on before leaving, which makes his spot open. And if he passed on his technique scrolls to someone, then they should easily be able to learn those techniques, since they're you know, technique scrolls. What I think everyone is implying here when it comes to the Edo Tensei scroll, is that it's the diagram.

Sure there's the Human Path provision rule. But if someone wrote down all their knowledge of it into a technique scroll before disappearing/becoming inactive, then it would pretty much be the same thing. I use technique scrolls all the time to teach my people Paper Ninjutsu. Though the scrolls usually burn up or explode shortly after upon usage for privacy reasons.

[Trev]

I disagree and argue that the Edo Tensei scroll is only used to perform the technique and not learn it. It's not like the kinjutsu scroll Naruto learned Shadow Clones from.

[Keito Uzumaki]

I disagree and argue that the Edo Tensei scroll is only used to perform the technique and not learn it. It's not like the kinjutsu scroll Naruto learned Shadow Clones from.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Edo has been made a delicate technique in SL, for a reason. I mean look at what Kabuto did with it, I don't think I need any other example to keep it the way it is. Either way, this has been discussed years ago, forum discussions  really do repeat themselves. The scroll is just an accessory to the grand technique and is used to make the dead summoned, all they really serve an importance too. It would actually be quite clumsy to put such a kinjutsu out in the open to be honest. Shinobi aren't that dull. Its just seems to be a place holder in order to perform the technique. As it seems to have been stated, Orochimaru was able to do such without scrolls, making them quite useless really.

[Kage]

Orochimaru and the Uzumaki both kinda left out a scroll for a certain kinjutsu lying around.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-574-page-7.html
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-619-page-11.html

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Dead_Demon_Consuming_Seal:_Release

But from it looks like here, the seal from the scroll, some DNA and a sacrifice is all that is needed to perform it.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-520-page-13.html

But Orochimaru already knew the seal well enough to not need the scroll that apparently held the contents of the technique's workings.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-619-page-15.html

So now this is what the thread is really about: IC logic vs RP logic.

IC logic dictates if someone possesses that Edo Tensei scroll, then it should be learn-able/perform-able.

RP logic on the other hand, places an OOC restriction from allowing one to use the technique, even if they fill every single requirement.

But the conundrum here is that both are technically in play here. The pirate provision when we break it down is basically: user gets offed, killer replaces them.

• If ET is pirated from someone (i.e via the Human Path) the person who attains the knowledge takes the spot on the Teacher-Student list of the person they robbed it from. They will then be bond to any "teacher" or "student" that the previous user was connected with.

http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning%3A_Impure_World_Reincarnation#Usage_Rules

[Ѕhadow]

Orochimaru and the Uzumaki both kinda left out a scroll for a certain kinjutsu lying around.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-574-page-7.html
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-619-page-11.html

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Dead_Demon_Consuming_Seal:_Release

But from it looks like here, the seal from the scroll, some DNA and a sacrifice is all that is needed to perform it.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-520-page-13.html

But Orochimaru already knew the seal well enough to not need the scroll that apparently held the contents of the technique's workings.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-619-page-15.html

So now this is what the thread is really about: IC logic vs RP logic.

IC logic dictates if someone possesses that Edo Tensei scroll, then it should be learn-able/perform-able.

RP logic on the other hand, places an OOC restriction from allowing one to use the technique, even if they fill every single requirement.

But the conundrum here is that both are technically in play here. The pirate provision when we break it down is basically: user gets offed, killer replaces them.

• If ET is pirated from someone (i.e via the Human Path) the person who attains the knowledge takes the spot on the Teacher-Student list of the person they robbed it from. They will then be bond to any "teacher" or "student" that the previous user was connected with.

http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning%3A_Impure_World_Reincarnation#Usage_Rules

Tsuyo went inactive and left SL without doing anything about his ET stuff. Without his say personally what do we do? Masane I don't know so I wouldn't trust her if she said 'he gave me it' or the likes. Nothing personal just the way I see it.


Now we do know who Tsuyo got ET from, no?

[Garō, Ichirou]

After Manji died in Iwa his stuff was passed on or taken by Machina, either way i've had several occasions where he's admitted that she had his stuff, because I have things from him too, Well not really things, Just the Rashomon gates and the Fission technique, but I don't use the Fission tech anymore. They did several rps in the pms together but i'm sure those messages are long gone, I'm not sure if my word really holds any weight, but Manji's things ended up being sealed within the Pheonix realm by Masane, along with all of his scrolls and I think his sword too, So technically speaking the two who would actually have access to it would be Masane and Tokujiro, seeing as they're the two who are still connected to the Pheonix summons, but Tokujiro wasn't around for the sealing so I'm not sure if he'd know where to find it.

[Eric]

Orochimaru and the Uzumaki both kinda left out a scroll for a certain kinjutsu lying around.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-574-page-7.html
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-619-page-11.html

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Dead_Demon_Consuming_Seal:_Release

But from it looks like here, the seal from the scroll, some DNA and a sacrifice is all that is needed to perform it.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-520-page-13.html

But Orochimaru already knew the seal well enough to not need the scroll that apparently held the contents of the technique's workings.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-619-page-15.html

So now this is what the thread is really about: IC logic vs RP logic.

IC logic dictates if someone possesses that Edo Tensei scroll, then it should be learn-able/perform-able.

RP logic on the other hand, places an OOC restriction from allowing one to use the technique, even if they fill every single requirement.

But the conundrum here is that both are technically in play here. The pirate provision when we break it down is basically: user gets offed, killer replaces them.

• If ET is pirated from someone (i.e via the Human Path) the person who attains the knowledge takes the spot on the Teacher-Student list of the person they robbed it from. They will then be bond to any "teacher" or "student" that the previous user was connected with.

http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning%3A_Impure_World_Reincarnation#Usage_Rules

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/520/11

Well, the scroll, the DNA of the desired, and the technique's handseals are all that would be minimally required to learn Edo Tensei. If you look at it, it's a giant technique formula/ sealing contract of sorts. So much like hiraishin, some of the most complicated components; calling the dead soul back from the beyond and formation of the Edo Tensei body, are within the seals of the scroll.

But that's my take on that. What I have so far:

     Current Teacher-Student Bonds:
        Kamui > Tsuyo
        Warren > Keitō
    Former/Deceased Users:
        Rinn (Replaced by Tsuyo)
        Trev (Replaced by Bocchiere)
        Bocchiere (Replaced by Kamui)
        Shinro (MIA)
        Hazama (Replaced by Akasaka Rakudo)
        Akasaka Rakudo (Replaced by Shinkō)
        Shinkō (Replaced by Hazama)
        Hazama (Replaced by Keitō)
        Kyu Mizushima (Replaced by Warren)

Kamui, Tsuyo, Warren, and Keito are acknowledged users of Edo Tensei.

The only unknown at this point is where Tsuyo's stuff ended up going. So would he be categorized as MIA until that is determined for sure? I mean, from what I gathered, he croaked and his stuff was passed on (that has been the story for a long time now, you can go back into topics if you want evidence of this) and that is the story I'm most famaliar with. His stuff was presumably passed on to Masane so, if added, she would be replacing Tsuyo on the list as student?