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[Raifudo Oppa]

If someone could, post a full list of suggested rulings regarding them? This way we can sort out better in a list of what to add or remove.

As for canon summons, here's a few things I've gathered up from the discussion.
-One Contract Holder per animal species. A Contract Holder is merely the one who has the ability to summon the contract itself, as well as the defender of the contract.
-Multiple Signers. Signers are able to summon from the animal species they have contracted with.
-One animal species per character. This is to keep a person from being able to summon Toads, Hawks, Snakes, Slugs, etc. As well as to keep one person from holding the contracts of all the canon species.
-One can approach the Contract Holder and ask if they may sign the contract.
-If the Contract Holder refuses, then they may be challenged for the right to sign it. The Contract Holder may also be challenged for the right to hold the contract.
-The Contract Holder must either yield and submit to their defeat, and allow the person to sign it. Or, be knocked out.
-Should the Contract Holder be killed in the challenge, the following will occur.

• The challenger will NOT be able to sign the contract.
• The contract itself will be handed to another signer. (How this is determined is up to the consensus of the other signers.)

Give me your opinions on this guys. Add/edit/remove rules as needed to express your opinions.

I like this, I really do. Considering there are stingy people out there who don't want to share their precious canon summons just because they're, well, stingy.

But, what if the holder is killed -- contract is gone forever? When can someone else claim it? Why can't the victor claim it? Who will claim it in response?

I am not fighting Bocc for anything or EVER going to rp with him knowingly.

That was... rather unneeded.

That being said...

The SSM has a specific set of guidelines and you can all makes rules up about that until you are blue in the face.

Until that governing body decides things will be different, then this is a waste of time as far as I am concerned.

Weren't you always one to promote the majority of people's belief into the concept of what's already established? The "governing body" can make ludicrous rules that only benefit them, and if no one else likes it: sucks for those not in the "body."

Considering I made the bijuu rules, I can change them (since it was my guidelines) to state "No one not from Kumo can have a bijuu unless they visit it in person, because that's RP.  Also, only if Raifudo approves." Then, since I like zenny-kins, and he's a QT3.14, I'd ask him for approval since he has all of them stuffed under his mattress.

That's in the spirit of things, no?

And summoning contract?

You can take that challenge for the contract thing and stick it too.

How about for this one? Considering some people are stingy with some contracts because it was something they beat everyone to the punch first, there'd be no way of ever taking part in said summon -- even if you rp that summon choosing you.

Rather than being vulgar, you can put your input as to why we can't challenge to sign the contract.

I am not bowing down to a change in RP that I have been going by for ages because you decide that all of a sudden it is going to be different while I am not looking.

And that's a problem. You don't want something to change, so you refuse to ever acknowledge it -- you're bashing Bocc for the same thing. Stay a while and give your input. We're not doing this while you're not looking, we're asking in a public forum before any thing is set in stone so all can put their input.

Rant on about me and what i have said all you like.

[UettoSenju]

Say, here's an idea. How about we challenge for the title of Shinobi Legend? The winner can be an immortal edo tensei that can't be sealed and has all of the bloodlines and items to ever exist.

Y'know, ages ago, back when SL was active and always had at least 60-70 people on at a given time, people didn't care about having the best of the best or hell, even the Sharingan.

In fact, a good number of people did what I like to call, being creative, and created their own bloodlines and balanced out their own jutsus and techniques accordingly. The bijuu weren't claimed, canon items didn't exist on a grand scale like they do now, and everything was just peachy.

And then someone decided having bijuu would be a good idea. And look at how things are now.

I've watched five academy students join and quit SL in the two weeks I've been back, strictly because of the state of the roleplay as it is now. Iwagakure doesn't exist, it's Bocchieregakure because it consists of nothing but Bocchiere and his alts. Constant threats of 'You have this item? I'm gunning for you then' are being made, and rather the fact they are inactive and thus, hoarding said item so taking it away from them with Bijuu-esk rules makes sense or not, it also doesn't.

Can someone show me someone who cares? Someone, that can honestly say that this is a good idea, where hey, you could be roleplaying, but no, you have this item, I'm challenging you for it, too eff-ing bad exists? I don't want to seem aggressive or anything, but this is just excessive. For the past two days that these rules have been placed, I've seen two challenges immediately made by Bocchiere for Mioku's sword, and Shima's Kabutowari, two swords capable of sealing anything and breaking any defense respectively.

And now talk of challenging for the Mazo is showing up.

*Claps*   Like I said on another thread all these rule making stuff is turning SL into nothing more then a forum like RP Site, which failed horribly before I do believe. The thing that once separated SL from other site was the freedom you had (I don't mean to god-mod or anything like that). There was a time when SL wasn't just villages and rp, it was for people who liked more serious rp and did so in clans and zones, for people who liked to rp simple things like talking and water balloon fights on the Konoha thread where anyone could come or go as they wished and you didn't have to show such order or hostility to each other if you had a problem take it to the zones that is what they where created for after all, a place for those who enjoyed raising accounts and leveling, a place for people who just liked to get on and talk to each other like regular people and play around.  These where things that made SL great. I rped at tons of Naruto based sites but SL is the only one I ever stayed at cause of those reasons... it was more the rp it was a place to create friends where you could be yourself not some character you created.

Who is to blame for the way things turned at SL none other then my own generation of players, back when I joined SL and was a member of L.nin under the leadership of Shinomaru the site was much more enjoyable. The thing that ruined the old ways of SL was this ideal of Official RP dealing with Villages.... It was better when people where more focused on clan ratings then village ratings. Plus the wars back then were so much more complex then what we have today, oh what people gather for a little brawl and the next day everyone is just meh. Back then you had to actually use strategy, from spies, to pvp , to zone fights, there was no IN character OOC bs so it made it harder to know who to trust and who to not, infiltrating a clan to work months at a time to rise in ranks high enough to delete all the members of the clan... that was a fun site to be apart of.

I am not saying that SL is not an enjoyable, good site; I am just saying that perhaps we should start turning back to the basics I believe this site were founded on.  When you turn your back on the ideas you were founded on then you fall and like it was stated above less and less people join SL... more and more leave.

Perhaps, it is not my place to even say this and I am overstepping my boundaries. I am not a very important figure at SL (that is the way I have always wanted to be, I never wanted to be a 'big wig'; I have been made admin and mods at countless site... I have even been considered a master rper but I have always striven to be a underdog & moron and on those terms me pointing out my view may be overlooked or frowned upon by some). Anyways, this is off topic and I apologize about that (you can all curse and scold me if you wish) but I feel that I needed to say this because somewhere we must draw the line of these new rules and in my opinion forcing someone to fight for them to be able to decide who signs the contract the hold is down right pitiful, that is the beauty of holding the contract you get to have it for yourself and pass it on to your decedent/student when the time comes. And as far as items go those usually hold sentimental value to there holder therefor why should they be forced to risk their character's life for an item that they have obtained over their time at SL?

[Kage]

This discussion is not about taking things away. It's actually more about giving people a chance to obtain already-claimed canon items and summons. If someone wants to pursue building their dream character, but can't due to already-claimed and locked canon material, then it wouldn't be any fun. Yeah, you can go and tell them to make something original/custom. Some will, but not everyone. I for one am about 65%, give or take, made of original/custom stuff.

I like this, I really do. Considering there are stingy people out there who don't want to share their precious canon summons just because they're, well, stingy.

But, what if the holder is killed -- contract is gone forever? When can someone else claim it? Why can't the victor claim it? Who will claim it in response?

This. This is exactly the situation that happened with Kamui's death. He was the only known contract holder and signer of the Slugs. With his death, they are forever locked.

And as I said before, people are welcome to voice their opinions on the forum regarding these issues. But if some of these things fall through and are decided upon, then they have no one to blame but themselves, for not speaking up.

[Raifudo Oppa]

this is not a governing body.

Sorry if I made it seem like I called this - this coalition of people - a governing body. No, I was using myself as reference to a "body" as you have of whoever made the rules of the SSM swords.

There are tons of signers on the summons contract I hold

I wouldn't know. I haven't seen a list about; I meant in regards to the general population -- I wasn't poking at you.

and the SSM swords are governed by themselves, not this ...collective of commentators in a thread.

As I said, I didn't say this group of people was a governing body. Just people talking about change and whether the idea of it is good or not.

You people are trying to govern way too many things and basically are trying to shove rules down over a people who far outnumber your elite's groups way of thinking.

I don't get what you mean. You mean ratio of person:person? If that's the case, then, yes -- technically. But why are we "elite?" Because we go to the forums to discuss things while they don't? Doesn't that make us people who care? 'Cause, you're here -- so, you're on the boat with us.

I suggest you abandon this idea of regulating other people's summons and the object of an organization you are not part of.

But, why? As far as regulating goes, we're just trying to give, as Kage said, people a chance to expand their character as they wish. The worst we're asking for is the ability for someone to prove themselves worthy of handling a contract signing -- in regards to the contracts. As far as the swords, well, the organization itself has already seen better days. If it wasn't for Zenaku having bargained the Hiramekarei, I'd still have had it in Kumo. We already saw what it would be like if something outside of Kiri held it. We have bijuu as examples of how the swords would be played for.

This discussion is not about taking things away. It's actually more about giving people a chance to obtain already-claimed canon items and summons. If someone wants to pursue building their dream character, but can't due to already-claimed and locked canon material, then it wouldn't be any fun. Yeah, you can go and tell them to make something original/custom. Some will, but not everyone. I for one am about 65%, give or take, made of original/custom stuff.

I like this, I really do. Considering there are stingy people out there who don't want to share their precious canon summons just because they're, well, stingy.

But, what if the holder is killed -- contract is gone forever? When can someone else claim it? Why can't the victor claim it? Who will claim it in response?

This. This is exactly the situation that happened with Kamui's death. He was the only known contract holder and signer of the Slugs. With his death, they are forever locked.

And as I said before, people are welcome to voice their opinions on the forum regarding these issues. But if some of these things fall through and are decided upon, then they have no one to blame but themselves, for not speaking up.

Well, it should be open to say that it's free game now to claim it -- considering it's a known-unknown situation where Kamui was the only name we could tell was on it, others should be able to claim it too.

[Reimu Hakurei]

Heh... y'know what the best part of all this is?

At a time, the forums itself, was used for fun. I remember even leading a small game, where you arrive and post a single message, simple in itself, where you told how your day was, and based on the time you posted, based on hour, minute and second of the day, you added a randomized statement and commented on it while you talked with others. It was simple, perhaps childish, but I think that is what alot of us loved as children. It's something that drew us to games and manga alike. That child-like joy and wonder at what the next day would bring or what the next thing you read would be kept us going and what the next game would hold kept us buying. We never had a need for... This.

This, where people have lost their since of child-like innocence in exchange for a ironfisted rule of about twelve people on a forums deciding how things work where, what smells like what and whose color is red or blue. I ponder when the last time someone, anyone on this forum asked another how their day was. I wonder who takes time, escaping from the harsh reality that the roleplays become, to act childish or chat in the gardens, as they no longer can freely within the villages themselves without getting a slap on the wrist from their kages for being out of line.

All things change. It's a reality that SL, just as everything else, has to endure. But there is a difference between changing from the better and from the worse. With rules on bijuu, rules on canon items, and now a discussion on rules of summon contracts, I wonder when the rules of kage would come into question. When will a provoking statement, most likely from Bocchiere, since he so lovingly calls me out on everything I say that I may as well pick on him now, force the question on if someone could challenge another for the seat of Kage of a village.

This is exactly what happens, in some D&D games. Where the powergaming elitist is so consumed with themselves that they've forgotten what fun is. They've forgotten, that what their definition of fun isn't the same as everyone elses. Raifudo, you consider this something of a democracy, yes? Where every vote counts, right? Are you certain this isn't just an anarchy? The new player, the younger players that still have the time to come in, and go straight to the gardens all-too aware of the hostilities of Iwagakure, Otogakure, Kumogakure and so forth, where do their votes come into play? Perhaps it's simple to exclude them from this system because they are, for lack of better words, not involved in the seriousness of zoning and war, But don't you feel somewhere, you haven't given them a choice? Where else can they go but the garden, to be able to simply chat with each other without the local ANBU, Jounin, or even the kage of the village taking what they do in their village to heart and excommunicating them and 'voiding' them madly?

It shouldn't be like this. It shouldn't be you're either serious or you're not. Hell it shouldn't be you're either with Bocchiere or against him, but that's how he's decided things are to be. Perhaps Neji won't ban Bocchiere, despite the criminalizing evidence stacked against him, and maybe that doesn't even matter to those that picked Bocchiere's side in what may as well be the biggest zoning fight in Shinobi Legend history; the OOC battle against Bocchiere. But I know no one else seems to have the heart to speak up about this.

Forsake these rules, for once. Come up with something else if you -really- need something to cover this. Make there be a rule where you must use at least once item in a given zone. Make there be a time limit where you have to zone with said item once or twice a month. Hell. REMOVE the items, save the Seven Swords, from the RP itself! I'm sure Mioku won't mind losing his sword if he, as Bocchiere claims, doesn't use it anyway! I'd even remove the swords if they were so crucial to Kirigakure as a village, unlike almost every other canon item that isn't branded a village specific thing!

And while you're at it, try to make this roleplay fun, not a dick size contest.

[Raifudo Oppa]

It is egotistical and high handed to say that those who do not come to the forum and do not speak their minds will just have to deal with the rules you that are made here.

Many people do nRot come here because they abhor the behavior of those that do and will not associate with those of base behavior.

Many do not come here to post their ideas because they feel they will not be listened too but shouted down and trolled away.

These are things that people have said to me that I have discussed issues with in reply to my suggestion that they come here and voice their own words.

Now...just because they refuse to open themselves up for public ridicule does not mean that they should be denied their basic RP  right.

I have talked against excessive rule making in the past and will continue to do so. Even when it earns myself as being the focus for your scorn and ridicule because SOMEONE has to stand up and speak out.

Not sure how that's egotistical, really. I'm not saying people who come here are better or anything. Needless to say, I don't see you going around in-game and proposing discussions for change of things that might just need it - or at the very least asking people if they prefer some things over others or not.

Represent them and their ideas, then. Quote them and whatnot.

Well, what IS a basic RP right?  I'd appreciate if you can lay those out on behalf of the community so we can try to leave those be as best we can during our conversations.

What's with the strong words? Scorn and ridicule. You're acting like everyone's attacking you. You also speak as if you're the only one speaking out. Everyone here is conversing calmly and directing their attention to what people say. Ease, please. No need for the wall of defense.

Raifudo, you consider this something of a democracy, yes? Where every vote counts, right? Are you certain this isn't just an anarchy? The new player, the younger players that still have the time to come in, and go straight to the gardens all-too aware of the hostilities of Iwagakure, Otogakure, Kumogakure and so forth, where do their votes come into play? Perhaps it's simple to exclude them from this system because they are, for lack of better words, not involved in the seriousness of zoning and war, But don't you feel somewhere, you haven't given them a choice? Where else can they go but the garden, to be able to simply chat with each other without the local ANBU, Jounin, or even the kage of the village taking what they do in their village to heart and excommunicating them and 'voiding' them madly?

A democracy? For the most part, sure. People voice their opinions, based on the opinions, we construct, and we then progress to choosing what the majority of those who show attention for this want.

Do you understand the concept of an anarchy? Essentially free-for-all. An anarchy is the exact opposite of regulations and any sort of structure.

Gardens, zones, MHQ, shades, villages.

Note how no one pays mind to try and explain something to anyone not participating in any thing that involves something of claim; in other words, two random genin fighting in the zones -- you honestly expect someone to go in and start telling them you can and can't do that if it's just a random fight they wanted to make? I'd imagine that it has happened, and probably does happen, but watch who the people are who try to regulate it.

Notice how the topic of these forum threads are not in regards to the new and fresh people of SL. They're in regards to things that have changed over time and become a sort of tradition; claims, fights, role-play that is taken more seriously because it reflects something of the participants.

No one's making threads complaining about low-level accounts going about and being out of control with how imaginative and wild their claims are. We have set a line where they have their own story, and we have our own. The moment they decide to walk over the line and interact with the story we are making for ourselves, then they must respect the ways those in the story are progressing. Else, they can freely choose to go to back and construct their own story.

[Reimu Hakurei]

The ways the story is progressing...

Do you call... you have this weapon, I challenge you for it... do you call this 'story'?...

... Indeed. I see why SL can't get more than fifty players online anymore. I see why a week can go by and a village gets rarely a post.

Congratulations. SL is yours. Let your rules and regulations, what you believe to be right, spiral this into destruction.

None will be the voice of the voiceless, for those who have yet to come. This site was never made to be a roleplay site, Raifudo. It was meant for fun.

You, and everyone who continues to broadcast repetition, constricting, branding rules burn down the fun that a new player, and old player, can have. But I suppose that does not matter.

No one cares for the time where you didn't need KG, to have a KG. Nor does anyone care for the time where SL had a soul.

Where it wasn't a machine like it is today, run by the people who believe what they think is right, is the absolute right.

[Raifudo Oppa]

The ways the story is progressing...

Do you call... you have this weapon, I challenge you for it... do you call this 'story'?...

... Indeed. I see why SL can't get more than fifty players online anymore. I see why a week can go by and a village gets rarely a post.

Congratulations. SL is yours. Let your rules and regulations, what you believe to be right, spiral this into destruction.

None will be the voice of the voiceless, for those who have yet to come. This site was never made to be a roleplay site, Raifudo. It was meant for fun.

You, and everyone who continues to broadcast repetition, constricting, branding rules burn down the fun that a new player, and old player, can have. But I suppose that does not matter.

No one cares for the time where you didn't need KG, to have a KG. Nor does anyone care for the time where SL had a soul.

Where it wasn't a machine like it is today, run by the people who believe what they think is right, is the absolute right.

I want land. Let me buy it from you.
No.
Fine, I'll fight you for it.
*War*
Now your land is mine. Should have sold it to me.

Story.
Plot. Setting. Characters. I do call it story. I call it a piece of history as well. A recollection on how you take it upon yourself to invest your time with the gimmicks you've picked up along the way to better yourself by overcoming an obstacle to obtain a goal or treasure you want.

You can see it? Really? Can it be the fact that there are invisible regulations that aren't enforced unless you go into the side that is more serious towards the role-play that scare people? 'Cause, y'know, they wouldn't be affected by them unless they knew of them. A new academy student wouldn't come into sl and automatically understand the concept of bijuu fights. How then would the fact there's rules about them affect them?

It could be the fact that this game, without any reborns, etc. is very hard and demanding? Very stressful to level. Times also change. You act as if "Naruto" is still as basic as it once was-- when there was so much room for improvement and ideas. No. It's coming to a close. It's establishing what's top-dog of the series and what isn't. It could also be that many people nowadays aren't too keen on online RPGs that are text-based.

Go ahead. Look at the demographics of it all. Times change and people like hands-on, graphics-based games. Console, MMO, mobile phone, et cetera. They don't invest their time looking for free text-based RPG. Even then, look at the diminishing popularity of naruto that we've been exposed to on this site alone based on what the manga is showing us.

No one "cares" about those times because they have long gone. Tell me, do you think the average American thinks back at the time where all we did was go to school, help around the house, be real tight-knit with the family, and then sit down with everyone, say grace and eat dinner? No. Why? Because things have changed. Because we're much too accustomed to having what we have now to even think about what we had before; a much simpler life.

Of course, I say American because I can't speak on behalf of any other country.

you do not see me doing this or that? SO are you the all seeing eye then?

i speak with impassioned words and do not need you to tell me to calm or go easy. My behavior or manner of expression is not under your dominion any more than how i would rp.

The low lever accounts you speak of and crossing of lines...

well I just have to look at the arrogance of such words and shake my head at you Raifudo as I walk away.

I will continue to carry on as I have always done and thank the gods above and below that I shall not be permitted to enter into such RPs as you do speak of.

*gets on her camel Snark and disappears out into  the Sands of Anarchy.*

All-seeing eye? Not so much. But if you did invest time doing so, I would have seen it. Anyone would have.

Dominion of your emotions? Please. Like anyone could tame your emotions; you have trouble yourself. I asked kindly to lower your defenses and merely converse with us rather than shouting accusations, claiming to leave, and then coming back with a vengeance.

Arrogance, an overbearing pride. Proposing there are two spectrum of RP, a casual one and a more serious one, is apparently arrogant. I wonder what exists beyond the title of "arrogant" in regards to your attitude of always attempting to label an antagonizing adjective to someone without so much as a reason but your own thoughts.

And you may continue on as you wish. No one is telling you you can't continue the RP you do in your own story -- away from the other's.

[Reimu Hakurei]

Heh...

What the machine says is right, is absolute right. Perhaps it is aggressive to say it and if it is, I apologize. But I fully believe you are the reason that SL has destroyed itself Raifudo. I completely, and utterly believe, that the rules of KG, and the rules of your Bijuu, are what led to SL being what it is.

My opinion does not hold sway and I know it doesn't. I'm one word and the likes of Bocchiere, Kage and such will take the side that leads to them continuing the powergame as planned. I don't blame them because it's natural human desire to get a stronger character. Everyone does. But I believe Uetto is the only person I've seen, actively, that followed the path that was spirited.

Maybe I'm just out of touch with the way things are meant to be, as you say Raifudo. That I am just a silly idealist who lives in the past where things were... 'simple'. If I am, then I choose to be and remain that idealist, and I will not conform to the heartless tyranny that is what SL has become in the villages.

This roleplay holds no spirit for me to want to continue.

[Raifudo Oppa]

Wow...

i will never be too old or progress to the point where I do not think about the days when i sat down to the dinner table with my parents and my brother's and sisters. I will never be so far removed from the important things in this world as to EVER forsake them.

And now that I have children of my own we sit down to our own table and pray to god before we eat and commune with each other and laugh and enjoy our meal. And when the holidays come all 30+ of us do the same.

To say that one progresses beyond such things...

that is not progress. That is anarchy. One does not outgrow what is right and good. You can only turn your back upon it.

*gets on her camel Snark and disappears out into  the Sands of Anarchy.*

It's sad how misunderstood the definition of "anarchy" is nowadays. "Making so many rules is anarchy!" Right. Just how constantly breathing is equivalent to someone's attempt at suicide.

"Right and good" are subjective, by the way.

Heh...

What the machine says is right, is absolute right. Perhaps it is aggressive to say it and if it is, I apologize. But I fully believe you are the reason that SL has destroyed itself Raifudo. I completely, and utterly believe, that the rules of KG, and the rules of your Bijuu, are what led to SL being what it is.

My opinion does not hold sway and I know it doesn't. I'm one word and the likes of Bocchiere, Kage and such will take the side that leads to them continuing the powergame as planned. I don't blame them because it's natural human desire to get a stronger character. Everyone does. But I believe Uetto is the only person I've seen, actively, that followed the path that was spirited.

Maybe I'm just out of touch with the way things are meant to be, as you say Raifudo. That I am just a silly idealist who lives in the past where things were... 'simple'. If I am, then I choose to be and remain that idealist, and I will not conform to the heartless tyranny that is what SL has become in the villages.

This roleplay holds no spirit for me to want to continue.

So, it's not the fact that KG were implemented into the game or that bijuu became a thing to be challenged for, but because I decided I'd invest time to help out those having trouble without always needing to be there. Makes sense. Though as you defend the past, I defend the present. Somehow, I'm the villain for defending the things that have become the tradition of today's times. Silly idealist, believing your ideals are pure, but the ideals of another are corrupt.

[Reimu Hakurei]

The machine's right is absolute right, Raifudo.

I will speak no more and let you do as you wish.

[Raifudo Oppa]

The machine's right is absolute right, Raifudo.

I will speak no more and let you do as you wish.

[Bocchiere]

Well that was pointless, so, items are go, how bout summoning contracts?

[Raifudo Oppa]

I can see fighting for rights to sign a contract, but not for possession of the contract.

[Bocchiere]

I can see fighting for rights to sign a contract, but not for possession of the contract.

That was what we're getting at, any contract now, or just animals present in the series?

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I also like how Kayenta is so against rule making but will curb stomp anyone who uses snakes without her permission.