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Game Development => Discussions => Topic started by: Raifudo Oppa on April 28, 2012, 08:02:53 PM
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So this thread was made to organize and edit new Bijuu rules (challenges, etc.), to form a designated council of people to act as go-to for referees and such for the matches and, finally, to replace currently inactive jinchuuriki.
Getting down to business, these are our current rules:
ºHow to Challenge a Jinchūrikiº
In order to challenge a Jinchūriki & obtain a Bijū, one must extend an invitation to its host along with proper arrangements for it to take place; should the Jinchūriki refuse the set date/time: negotiate for a more appropriate time. Should the Jinchūriki ignore or refuse the invitation(s)-with no reason given- 3 times consecutively, you may report it to other Jinchūriki. Subject for such an event's invitation, for proof & reference of a challenge, must be titled: (Number of tails) - (Name of Jinchūriki); the body of the message may be as you please (though manners & politeness would of course make things much smoother).
ºShould the Bijū be Host-lessº
Should the Bijū be sealed within something not a Jinchūriki, whomsoever is in possession of the tailed beast (for a prolonged period of one week or more) is entitled to assume duties of fighting for possession of the Bijū. As such: Bijū are not to be set free to roam; they must be sealed and delivered to the village of their last Jinchūriki.
ºHow to declare a winnerº
The battle commences with the initial post & terminates once either combatant is unable to continue. Such a feat can result in several ways, including knock-outs (concussions, etc.), full paralysis, almost-fatal wounds & so forth. So long both parties declare it plausible & understand the longevity/risk of the claim, it's considered eligible for use. However, things can, of course, become debatable in attempt to reach such a goal & in doing so arguments are bound to commence. If need be, either party can have onlookers & such /dis/agree with the action until a verdict is reached. If desired, either party can have other hosts or officials of sorts represent them for a more "legitimized" (as some have called it) reasoning or "Back-up".
ºRulesº
Like any other zone fight, rules are established as support for completing the quarrel without need for troubles to arise. Those basic rules are also adopted into host-challenges. The rules are as follows [unless agreed upon both parties (with proof) to be something otherwise]:
‾No Auto-Hitting.
Auto-Hitting is recognized as being a direct action following through without consent of the opposing party.
‾No God-Modding.
God-Modding has been recognized as an incorrect claim of one or more super-powers incapable of one's possession or against what one's character establishes. Several other things have been regarded God-Modding such as dodging every attack, extreme maneuvers & such. If God-Modding should occur, the opposing party will object to it & things can be negotiated from there.
‾Hosts are allowed to use their tails.
There should be no arguments about a host using their Bijū's abilities. However, the claim of utilizing all of their tails, if it seems unfit for them, due to period of time with the Biju, can be negotiable [but must be maintained brief]. Furthermore, other rules can be negotiated between both parties. I.E. Rules such as the number of contestants versus the host [? v. the host (1)] can also be negotiated, etc.
ºGrace Periodº
After any challenge (& loss) from a challenger, a week must be given to the host before challenging them to a rematch (the one week grace period is in subject to a single challenger & as such does not signify a host can ignore challenges from all others during the time period). In cases such as obtaining a Bijū for oneself, a 2-week grace period is granted In order to “commune” with one’s Bijū. If a host shows inactivity for long periods of time (two weeks or more) without prior notice, you can report their missing & conference of a suitable host will take place when possible.
ºTampering with the Bijūº
Tampering with the Bijū, meaning: destroying it, editing its affinity, parting its powers into multiple entities, etc. & anything that changes it from its known canon form is prohibited. Reason being the unpredictable results of its edit & inability to properly decide what lies correct or not.
Secondly, our 'council members' are still not, really, set in stone. They're assumed people such as myself, Zenaku, Kayenta, Rare, Nathan, etc. -- well known figures, to be truthful. Personally, I see no need for a council as the belief of one person is just as good as anyone's. People keep asking for one, though, so we need to address the following:
1. How many members.
2. Who are they.
3. What they have dominion over.
and I can't really think of anything else.
Thirdly, we're looking at replacing inactive Jinchuuriki.
Currently, we have:
1. Zyeta
2. {Kumogakure}
3. Ranketsu
4. Darkshinobi
5. {Kumogakure}
6. Mangetsu
7. {Kumogakure}
8. Jinzo (Ōshō-Kiba)
9. Zenaku
I propose replacements because our current rules are in question at the moment. Purposely I also placed the open-response-ability by asking this on the forums.
Ranketsu and Darkshinobi are, currently, people's most cried out demands for change. Ranketsu because, we all know, is inactive; that is to say, she goes periods of time without logging in only to do so at certain points and post one-two lines of rp and then be done with it. She's already done talk of passing on the sanbi and kage-ship but is, as of late, reluctant to do so.
Dark shinobi is, as of now, 11 days inactive and has yet to, as far as I know, complete a single bijuu challenge. He claims to have difficulties getting on, etc. - that being the case or not, he obviously cannot suffice to be a jinchuuriki.
And, blah, blah, blah.
Edit: Added link to page 14 post.
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I don't really know if the council needs to change at all. I think most people would be happy just asking you or Zen for an opinion on something. Having a list of everyone who can make a decision in a bijuu fight would be good though. I don't mind the rules as they are now either. The inactive jinchuriki is a thing that should be taken care of though. I don't know what their current situation is but yeah Rank and Dark are both incredibly inactive. Dark has been fighting Sabumaru for months now and Ranketsu just flat out refuses my challenges.
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Absolutely I think a change is needed for those with consistant inactivity, it's even more unsettling when you are suppose to be a Jinchūriki and you cannot give others a chance to attempt to withhold that power for a brief moment, let alone oppose it.
No village change of the Bijū should happen, so that is out of question. I do agree though that those two possessions over the Yonbi and Sanbi should be stripped until they get a good enough availability to retain such.
Regarding the council, I really don't think we need one other than the current Jinchūriki and the Kages of the villages that played a huge part in SL, which means basically Konoha, Kir, Suna, Kumo, Oto, and Iwa. Those villages such as Amegakure, Yukigakure, and Arashigakure does not, or should not be allowed to be apart of the latter.
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Iwa has done just about as little as Ame, hoshi, etc., though.
As it is, the current Tsuchi, Hidemesu-whateverwhatever, isn't known for his role-playing on a positive note; mostly it's bashing against how he fights, etc.
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I'm aware of that, but I included them only because they have future references in SL as a major village. Also, because Varikas reign as Tsuhcikage during his time, was great.
Though to keep the main topic in question, what shall be done about the two main inactive Jinchūriki?
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Inactive jinchuuriki are a problem, but I have more of a sore spot for the hostless bijuu. I think that The kages who hold them should place them within a host after a certain amount of time. Essentially they are just removed from game play at this point in time and I find it annoying.
Additionally? I would like some etiquette and manners to be seen in the zones because frankly the last few Bijuu matches I have seen have been shameful with regards to the behavior of the contenders.
Not only should the host be powerful enough to retain his bijuu, but he aught to be an example of game play in general.
I get tired of going to read a match and find 3-6 pages of OOC tripe and whaling about idiocies. That is not Jinchuuriki material in my book at all.
I am not talking about flying off the handle now and again. ANYONE can be pushed to the edge of their endurance and lose it. But when this becomes a predictable manner of dealing with conflict then something is seriously wrong.
On a side note, Ranketsu has already stepped down as active Mizukage and reinstated Rakudo to his former place...for his third term in office.
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I'm aware of that, but I included them only because they have future references in SL as a major village. Also, because Varikas reign as Tsuhcikage during his time, was great.
Though to keep the main topic in question, what shall be done about the two main inactive Jinchūriki?
I think both bijuu should be given to me. I'll get them eventually anyway. 8)
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I don't have a problem with the hostless Bijū. It's not like god has them or anything, simply someone who has most people intimidated. I agree though that they should be given a host at some point.
The purpose of pm's was, from my understanding, situated into Bijū fights to control such argument posts over matches, even to level the comments that others have to throw in. I suppose people think stating it in the zone over talking to your opponent in the pm's makes them look cooler than the other, but it's unnecessary and like Kay said, annoying.
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Well, I don't think hostless bijuu are an issue here. They are hostless cause nobody challenges Zenaku for them or does but fails. It's not like the issue would have arose if this was someone easy to beat and what nots. Meh, in my opinion, those complaining about the Kumo bijuu part are reeally just whining about Zenaku being hard to win against. If anything, we could add a rule about multi bijuu holder being challenged for more than one bijuu at once. Again, they ARE not taken out of game play. It's not like Zenaku goes "Well I have them sealed so you can't challenge me for them" <- THAT would have been an issue.
From what I've heard, the Sanbi problem might be fixed in the near future, as for the Yonbi, I'll check with Dark to see if there is any chance of him returning, if not, we'll just seal it in an object of sorts or give it to someone else.
As for the council, people well known for their rp skill, ability to spot flaws and errors, along with their willingness to help out when issues arise in zone are often called upon, the thing is, people prefer to ask Rai, Zen, myself, etc. Not only once have I encounter the Scenario when X called out to Y, Y lol'd, ridiculed and said X was wrong until someone like Rai or Zen said the same thing. There probably are some people that don't acknowledge my "authority" and that of several others alike. That would be the only reason a council is needed, however, people as ignorant as that are not really met often.
Well, if a council is formed, I'd say the reason would be smacking the people that don't clean their shiz up unless Rai or Zen say so over the head.
Number of members: I don't think there should be a limit of sorts about as long as they trust worthy in this aspect.
Who should they be: Right now I only see Rai and Zen as the official ones. How about we make it so that one needs a recommendation from a council member?
Lastly, in regards to some jinchuriki, potentially noy being "jinchuriki material" we really have no one other but ourselves to blame as a community for either lacking 9 highly competent players or complaining about jinchuriki not being competent while, us, as competent players, do not contribute to the change of such via challenging those we deem "unworthy".
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From Luka via PM:
---Original Message from Fire and Ice HalfDragonLuka(2012-04-28 18:25:15)---
You want my opinion? So be it. First, I think that a Bijuu should have a host. None of this, Zenaku guarding all of them, by the way, to challenge him, he's using Kyuubi. It should be a one on one battle between the challenger and the beast he intends to take (unless otherwise agreed upon by the Jinchuuriki and challenger beforehand)
Secondly, a council. I personally find a great deal of disparity in the views of many of the so called "presitgious figures" of SL, mainly because they use their status as a justufication for deciding what is or isn't acceptable. I've seen a great many double standards used and that is entirely unethical.
I base my opinions off of the information that Kishi provides and, seeing as the capability of Ninjutsu hasn't been shown to be very limited, spanning as it is from reanimating the dead to creating the moon, I believe that a loose interpretationalism is needed when judging. Unless it's been specifically stated that something can't be done (eg. copying a KG via Sharingan) then why not? As long as the technique in question makes sense and isn't moddy then who are any of us to say that something can't be done?
As for replacing inactive people, this goes back to point number one. Having all the Bijuu holed up in one place and for all intents and purposes, unavailable cuts into potential RP. Similarly, having the Jinchuuriki in question unavailable to challenge without a legitimate reason also cuts into what could otherwise be an active RP. However, the question of who to choose as hosts is one to be considered since most people here, while having the zoning standard necessary for a bijuu may lack either the time or the effort required to support having one.
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[Double Posting]
As far as Zenaku holding multiple bijuu go: Rare brought up the point of "So?" (pretty much). Hashirama held all 9 beasts at some point in his life and then gave them away as peace treaties. So what if he's using the Kyuubi? It's his beast, after all. You'd want him to use the bijuu you're fighting for? "Now he knows sand. K. Now he knows bubble-based jutsu and is very toxic. K. Now he can steam-punch you. K." So, he'd have to claim the maximum tails of each beast? Or, would he only be able to use certain tails? Now you're setting subset rules for a single person for multiple occasions.
As far as giving the bijuu to hosts at some point: Zenaku has done that. Nibi to Yugito. Gobi was recently given to him and offered to Dizzy (if memory serves). Rokubi was given to Bocchiere until it was lost. Shichibi was offered to ReimuHikaru, etc.
Eventually he just held onto them for the sake of continuing the RP he does.
Also, remember this: Zen is found to be hard to beat because of his reborns. He worked for them, though. 16 Reborns, having gotten 10 before SM/Rin was pretty annoying. Easy mode was still easy, but not as easy. Much more time constraint. So, damning someone -- essentially -- by saying "he's too strong, make him give them up!" simply because they worked tirelessly for something is pretty ignorant.
After all, you don't chase around rich figures and demand money because they have too much, now (In before sarcastic people say that do that all the time).
The entirety of 'double standards' (as Luka said) can be true, really. I've seen it happen. But, generally, the premises isn't the same for each argument, allowing specific examples general rules until seen as otherwise. *None come to me at this point.
I think Kay means 'removed from play' in the sense that role-play wise. They're not role-played with, etc.
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Gee what a shock that people who cannot beat Zen do not want him to have the multiple bijuu. What's this bull shit about me being given the Rokubi? Rakudo was bored having it sealed and gave it to the only active Kiri nin at the time, UzamakiWarrior. I won it fair and square, it was not given to me. Luka makes me lol sometimes though, sure just do whatever you want kitty. You should be able to bs absolutely anything if it has not been explicitly stated in the manga you cannot, yeah that sounds like somewhere we do not want to go.
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I'm glad to hear Rare agree with the thought that the problem isn't Zenaku holding 5 Bijū for himself currently, also the fact the Rai stated people are intimidated by the resets and the fact that he is in possession of Kurama because that's entirely what I was trying to get at. I applaud Zenaku on his gathered Bijū and how he has many people afraid of challenging him.
I bet those who look down upon this would have a whole different view on the latter if they were in the same position as him, there wouldn't be any problem then would it. Those who have a problem with such method doesn't deserve to have one themselves.
Hopefully Dark can find a way to make it on enough to give those a chance to obtain such. I feel sorry for the guy though because he will be a huge target to those lusting for a Bijū.
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I won it fair and square, it was not given to me.
Sorry, Boshiair. You know how bad my memory is. <3
But, yeah, Chika. Should people be in the same position as Zenaku, they too would see it as just fine. Likewise, I'm sure they'd call them out and say "I'm right here, lolol!"
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Well people should appreciate that Zenaku doesn't "use" all the bijuu he has and just sticks with the kyuubi.
As for Luka's opinion, I am one of the most unbiased figures there are, hence my Zenaku opinion even though I'd love for hosts to be weaker so that the not VERY powerful Konoha nin could go and seize them. Hell, I once had my own underling lose and fight and ridiculed him cause he screwed up. As for Luka's opinion... usually... when something was deemed as questionable/wrong/modish, etc. about his fights... it was pretty much all the such figures having the same opinion. That says something. No?
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For those complaining about Zenaku they should read the rules
ºShould the Bijū be Host-lessº
Should the Bijū be sealed within something not a Jinchūriki, whomsoever is in possession of the tailed beast (for a prolonged period of one week or more) is entitled to assume duties of fighting for possession of the Bijū. As such: Bijū are not to be set free to roam; they must be sealed and delivered to the village of their last Jinchūriki.
So there shouldn't be any problems there.
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It's not an issue with the rules, people just simply disapprove of Zenaku holding basically 4 Bijū at once, since he doesn't have to fight to keep the Hachibi. Regarding the Bijū, that should be over with since basically the point is given, there isn't a problem with Zenaku and his sealed beast.
The inactivity of Dark, Rare, have you contacted him yet?
A council wise, if I was going to attempt to challenge a Jinchūriki, I would most likely go to those I see that have enough sense and unbiased answers like Rare said, to be judgmental upon my match. So of course, Zenaku, Rai, Rare, Kay, and possibly CJ if I ever happen to catch him online at the time since that rarely happens. Only people I would ask to give their say-so about my match anyway.
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Sooooo.....when do we start getting some headway with this topic? 8)
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Jinzo fights for the Hachibi, mate.
And, yeah, headway.
We covered "council", I guess.
We need to talk about what we do with the inactive jinch and where their bijuu go. Assuming we want to keep it in their same villages, we need some elects for the matter from the village. Meaning Leaf and Mist.
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I would say from the Leaf; Nathan, the most likely choice to have such...Although, I doubt he'll take it.
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Ok. You know this topic was already started on the Council thread I made? I see little point in redundancy.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6929.0.html (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6929.0.html)
Comments pertaining to this discussion:
Zenaku can't RP as the host of anything other than the Kyuubi because that is the one that is sealed within him. It is anti-RP to think he should RP as the Gobi for someone challenging for it. Of course he fights as the Kyuubi host for that is what he is.
Additionally, it is my opinion that Zenaku was difficult to beat even before he had any resets. I know this for fact having fought him many times over the years. Simply put, Zenaku RP's like a hardliner with or without the aid of any upper level powers. People need to deal with it and step up THEIR game rather than seek to have HIS brought down to mediocrity.
HOWEVER: My complaint is having the Bijuu un-hosted. Were the beast mine to dispense, I would be putting them into Kumo warriors rather than gathering dust or waiting for a challenger to beat me and earn the beast.
Additionally, Yugito still hosts the Nibi because Zenaku has never yet removed it from her. But...she is no longer THE host for the beast, just a living vessel that it is contained within. It is officially, 'hostless' Why?
Because I, despite how cool it is to have a bijuu in a canon host, hate being forced to fight people who play by a standard of RP I do not acknowledge. I also hate being forced to participate in endless debate about every move that I make, or to have to call out an opponent on everything that I find objectionable in their move3s to the point that I have more time put into defending or objecting a move than in actually battling to retain my bijuu. IF I wanted endless debate rather than RP, I would have sought political office!
Basically, Bijuu are no fun for me in the least. They suck!
I take exception to the remark Bocc made concerning...well here it is...
Luka makes me lol sometimes though, sure just do whatever you want kitty. You should be able to bs absolutely anything if it has not been explicitly stated in the manga you cannot, yeah that sounds like somewhere we do not want to go.
By definition custom jutsu are exactly that; things that are NOT in the manga. If it makes sense, if it is explained and used ethically, why cannot a person make things up? I have as yet to see an example of any of the best warriors in the zones who do not make things up. During my training that was one of the goals I had to work for. I was forced to train to a certain level until I was strong enough, knowledgeable enough in my element to be permitted to make custom jutsu.
Anyway, I am with Zenaku.
What is the first order of business here? Are we rewriting any of the rules? What is the point of this thread with respect to action? If it is solely for discussion, as stated at the top of my current post, we already had a thread devoted toward that aim.
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Is apparently inferior to Nathan:
As I said, I'm working on it. My candidates would be Chika, Jolt, Nathan. Nathan taking the cake in the end. I pm'd the dude on facebook but if he won't answer in a day. I'm sealing it in to Nate w/o his consent.
As for the custom jutsu, it's acceptable about as long as it's at least similar to something from the series, something it can relate to, not be too far fetched, etc. No one wants to see some special doton that gets stronger and grows when attacked with raiton, bijuu level demons cause they are "likely to exist", Kaguya bones that are not conducting electricity just cause they don't, someone flying with bone wings, a bunch of custom most likely bs resurrections anyone can come up with or at least randomly claim at times of need, ghosts, and so on and so on.
Is there any other issue here?
There is not really much we can do about inactive bijuu. It should be customary for the village to deal with the situation at hand before the "council" gets a crap load of complaints about inactive jinchuriki. Dark was an exception cause he actually wanted to be active and gave it his best but had pilled up RL issues that kept him from that, we didn't predict it would drag on for this long.
A rule about them being stripped would seem like an exaggeration. I would suggest the Jinchuriki to be obliged to elect a defender of sorts if he is to be inactive for more than 2 weeks and if not stripped... sounds like a good idea... but seeing the "Zenaku" issue people would just bitch way too much if the defenders were even harder to beat and what not. Hell, I say, give all bijuu to Zenaku, have him form the Juubi and seal him inside himself. That way, we're probably done with all bijuu issues once and for all. xD
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Although I think the Yonbi would be perfect for an advanced Katon user like myself, I prefer to see Nathan with it. Yes, I've seen Dark's effort to try his best to maintain an appearance here as much as he could, but lately it's been more inactivity than usual...I'm aware there could be RL problems and what not, because I remembered that seem thing happened to him in the past, so we'll have to just wait and see. In reality, the decision is left for Konoha's council to make, mainly Rare.
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Ok. You know this topic was already started on the Council thread I made? I see little point in redundancy.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6929.0.html (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6929.0.html)
That thread died.
HOWEVER: My complaint is having the Bijuu un-hosted. Were the beast mine to dispense, I would be putting them into Kumo warriors rather than gathering dust or waiting for a challenger to beat me and earn the beast.
Additionally, Yugito still hosts the Nibi because Zenaku has never yet removed it from her. But...she is no longer THE host for the beast, just a living vessel that it is contained within. It is officially, 'hostless' Why?
1) Zenaku has tried putting the beasts into hosts. You included as Yugito and yet, from what I recall, you didn't want it anymore.
2) Zenaku has his plans.
3) Blah, RP. Long, dragging-along RP to have something removed. Could you not settle with it being simply removed away from the eyes from anyone? No one is complaining right now about Nibi being {Kumogakure} except you. We don't need to RP using the bathroom to prove we have humane needs. Let some things just slide. I mean, if you don't want it, why complain about 'having it' when it's technically gone?
Because I, despite how cool it is to have a bijuu in a canon host, hate being forced to fight people who play by a standard of RP I do not acknowledge.
So, we're looking at God-modders/Auto-hitters or people who play the RP-game the way, just about, everyone else does. Which side are you currently disliking? 'Cause, really, you don't need to put up with the first bunch.
Basically, Bijuu are no fun for me in the least. They suck!
I mean, if you don't want it, why complain about 'having it' when it's technically gone?
Luka makes me lol sometimes though, sure just do whatever you want kitty. You should be able to bs absolutely anything if it has not been explicitly stated in the manga you cannot, yeah that sounds like somewhere we do not want to go.
By definition custom jutsu are exactly that; things that are NOT in the manga. If it makes sense, if it is explained and used ethically, why cannot a person make things up? I have as yet to see an example of any of the best warriors in the zones who do not make things up. During my training that was one of the goals I had to work for. I was forced to train to a certain level until I was strong enough, knowledgeable enough in my element to be permitted to make custom jutsu.
Uhh.. no. Custom Jutsu are indeed things not in the manga, but not what Boshiair is saying. He's saying "do it if it doesn't say you're allowed to"; I.E. Luka's current suggestion of people with Rinnegan being able to use the outer path to heal the bodies of their allies.
"We only saw Pain use them on his own bodies, but since he used them on bodies, he should be allowed to use it on everyone!" <-- That's what Boshiair is saying Luka does.
What is the first order of business here? Are we rewriting any of the rules? What is the point of this thread with respect to action? If it is solely for discussion, as stated at the top of my current post, we already had a thread devoted toward that aim.
Did ya not read my post above? I'm asking, right now, what to do with the bijuu. That way, that verdict can be placed as the ruling.
As for action? It says this place it to edit the rules, elect people for jinchuuriki and discuss what a "council" is here.
You can't make a thread without discussion. To make a thread to announce what you're doing simply goes against the point of posting in the first place. Of course there's discussion. Like I also said, your thread died because no one cared to respond to me.
Already we have talk that Nathan, Chika, and Jolt (in that order) are the most reputable for a bijuu. Others can butt in and say otherwise, but that's the current order we have.
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bleh
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First of all, I'm posting this before I keep on reading, stop acting like such a victim. It's called a rebuttal. You give your input, I give mine. It has nothing to do with gender. Seriously? You're going to try and play something like that? Hell, your input is redundant then if you have no desire in a response to everything you may have brought up. And, yes, you were complaining about how you don't like Bijuu. As for the other things you touched on, such as Zen's storing of bijuu, that is a different approach - what you did there was discuss something.
[Reading the rest of your post now]
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Raifudo....
your attitude with me tonight is annoying. I was not complaining about this or that and yet you react as if my even speaking about such issues of course has to be complaining, and why is that? because its me? because I am female?
you see how it is. I would suggest you read better in order to be able to respond with a clearer sense of what it was you are reacting to.
Already responded to that victim-card.
It is my prerogative to insist upon RPing the estraction with Zenaku because I come here to RP.
I am not auto-handing over crap. What you call a long drawn out boring process I call an integral part of my character's soon to be history. And...you are not even the one who is being included in MY rp. So how does it hurt you or anyone for me to insist upon being permited to RP something with Yugito?
You know what? Screw this. I will keep the Nibi and you all can kiss my butt. So, see that the Bijuu list reflects Yugito as the official host.
Who said about it hurting me? I say just go along with it because of your dislike towards bijuu and Zen's current status when it comes to RP. Currently, both of you are in different states. Zen with handling the affairs of new shinobi as well as dealing with RP; you, well, I don't keep up with you.
Tell Zenny you wanna keep being the host, 'cause he's been telling me he already has it. As it is, I'd rather not be kissing that tush of yours with everyone's foot taking their turns against it when they try to have a zone fight with you for claim of the nibi. No skin off my bone if you wanna complain about something and then keep on doing it -- I'm not even in RP anymore, so to speak.
And do not tell me I have the right to refuse RPing a bijuu match with obvious god modders because I don't. I tried that defense and was totally denied.
The rule you have created explicitly denies the host the right to refuse anyone, especially someone who is just harassing them because they can.
Oh? Really? You can't refuse?
should the Jinchūriki refuse the set date/time: negotiate for a more appropriate time. Should the Jinchūriki ignore or refuse the invitation(s)-with no reason given- 3 times consecutively, you may report it to other Jinchūriki.
The Bijuu Council Thread is a pinned topic. IT doesn't need to be restarted in 27 different places in order to bring the topic up again but may be used again and again as each bijuu issue comes up.
So yeah, this thread is redundant and the actual council thread could have been used.
Could it have been pinned because you're a moderator of that forum section?
All's well, why didn't you respond, then? I posted, nothing was done, decided to make a thread that covered more than just a council.
You know I pinned that topic on purpose so that after one issue was resolved, it would still be easy to find whenever we needed to bring up another issue for discussion.
Oh, spoke too soon. Y'know, I should really read through everything and THEN start typing.
Lastly, my asking what we were doing here was not to ask what the point of this discussion was, but was an attempt to get us back on track. I read what you wrote and know what the topic is here. duh-huh!
It was a call to get to business and deal with each issue independently rather than jump from topic to topic all over the place.
Did I not just say we were electing bijuu hosts now so we can use the ruling we do at that point in the rules? Obviously if we establish something that's in question, such as ELECTING A NEW HOST AND HOW WE DO IT, we knock out two birds.
1. Rewriting rules (one section)
2. Dealing with inactive's.
So which point will we be taking care of first? Hmmm?
Start with something and lets make it happen and then move on to the next point. By the subject title here, I see Rewriting the Bijuu rules is the first order of business. May we now proceed with that? and in the council thread among the council members, where it belongs?
Just told you.
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You really should basically just shut up.
Dont' expect to see or hear anything from me anywhere ever again.
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Anyways! Moving onto other matters:
ºShould the Bijū be Host-lessº
Should the Bijū be sealed within something not a Jinchūriki, whomsoever is in possession of the tailed beast (for a prolonged period of one week or more) is entitled to assume duties of fighting for possession of the Bijū. As such: Bijū are not to be set free to roam; they must be sealed and delivered to the village of their last Jinchūriki.
I was talking to Cmage the other day [Rakudo, Kumaggie] and he, although he did not mention it here, said he wanted the bijuu back in his village - of course. I still figure the rule itself is fair enough. Though people have trouble with this:
" they must be sealed and delivered to the village of their last Jinchūriki"
I think the sealing thing is not meant to be RP-able, truly. You can, I guess, if ya want. But, that's not the reason I brought it up; it's that I've been asked "what if they're missing nin?" -- I guess we can add "to the village where the last jinch. was assigned said bijuu."
I guess that can bring up the issue of "what if they migrate.
Maybe the village they last resided in? 'Cause, since we're already going off of Nathan, Chika, and Jolt as candidates, I need people from Kiri to give me theirs and I can set up a poll.
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Well Kayenta is just being... oh well... Kayenta. She has her B moments.
Rai you sexist! How could you!?
On the other hand, I appreciate you clearing all that stuff up. I thought you couldn't refuse god mods. xD Well if it came down to it one would just have to state the things the opponent should not be able to do prior battle. The reason giving is a bit iffy since there are certain things only a select few call modish while the rest greatly approve of or at least do not mind.
As for the sealing thing, it's like Kay's bathroom fetish. Optional. >>
Seriously.... do you even realize how many of us should be dead for not eating or drinking for months is not years? >>
Idk about Kiri and what not, but at the given time I have full authority over the Yonbi case, Nathan would probably win the poll regardless but just saying, if he didn't he'd still get it.
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The rules are as follows [unless agreed upon both parties (with proof) to be something otherwise]:
Meaning, sadly it's vague, you can add things such as:
Rare is able to one-hit kill Raifudo as long as his right toe is facing his left toe; his left toe can only be faced if Rare's torso is puffed out and his right hand is poking his left cheek.
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I enjoyed the last 15 minutes of reading in this topic, thanks Rai and Kay. It's sad to to see two totally different views upon this topic and others means by, these two.
Well, regarding Kiri nin, to throw somebody out there...Kotetsu? Isaribi? Mioku? (Even though he's not in the clan; he's still a mist nin, but pretty inactive) Just to have somewhat of potential hosts Kiri might select.
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I don't really know Kotetsu, but his name does indeed come up a lot -- I'd like to give him a question if he'd take it up.
Isaribi? I think he's kind of inactive right now; but that could change - dunno.
Mioku? I won't let bias reasoning stop me from saying I'd like him as a potential host.
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The rules are as follows [unless agreed upon both parties (with proof) to be something otherwise]:
Meaning, sadly it's vague, you can add things such as:
Rare is able to one-hit kill Raifudo as long as his right toe is facing his left toe; his left toe can only be faced if Rare's torso is puffed out and his right hand is poking his left cheek.
I lol'd so hard at this! xD
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>.> Me two.
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One hit killing Raifudo would give certain bragging rights so I might just do that. >>
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I still want to see Kotetsu in an actual zone, but from roleplay i've seen him in, he seems alright. I actually haven't noticed Isaribi's absence, but thanks for throwing that in. If there was a poll I would probably vote for Mioku actually...but that's my opinion vs. many.
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Ok so first order of business is the Nibi. Yugito has the bijuu and has every right to leave though she really has no IC reason to do so. That's the reason I'm not sealing the beasts into people because it undercuts my entire purpose in collecting them. Now that means I have to come after the cat when I already had it in my hands and it's just unnecessary.
As for who makes up the council it really doesn't matter to me as long as they have decent sense to look at the entire picture before ruling over anything.
@Rai, I get that some RP can be considered long and drawn out, hell even boring. However, I've not experienced that from Kay. She wanted to do things in RP and that's her right. I just couldn't get online to actually pull it off. It is what it is but bro let's try to respect people's rights a bit more.
As far as the Sanbi and Yonbi I'm up for whatever you guys decide however I believe the Gobi remains in Kumo as obtaining it didn't break any of the standing bijuu rules. If Kiri wants it they know where to find me. ^_^
I might be willing to trade the Gobi for the Sanbi or something. Perhaps we should put up a poll for the council members though
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@Zenny:
1) Yeah, I know you're busy. Hence why I tried defending the stance on that. Like I said, there's just somethings one can let slip by -- just as allowing a bijuu to be taken OOCly when both parties already agreed to it. It was 'taken' some weeks ago, if memory serves, so I figured there was no need to do so. Hence why I used the whole "no using bathroom" analogy to explain that some things should just be left alone. But, all's well, if you're going to RP-it out, then go ahead; though I figure since she left Kumo now, it'd be all the more fun to just take it by using some nin to pick it up. Saves you trouble.
2) I still see the council as something we know of, but do not need exclusively. Like I stated in my first post: anyone's opinion is just as good as everyone's. I mean, what if everyone from the council is offline? Kinda boned on that one. I guess it can be seen as an 'official' ruling, if anything -- though I do fail to see what makes it so official if someone else had said the same thing. No need to postpone a fight so a handful of people can make a verdict on something like that, in my opinion. I'm still down for trial and error, however, so we can elect, let's say, 10 active members or something.
3) I don't see why Gobi would be given back to Kiri; Kyu gave it to you, through means unknown to the shinobi world, but that doesn't count as an inactive host -- just one who sought an ulterior motive with their bijuu that didn't involve its previous village.
4) 3rd&4th are currently being elected for. So far we have Nathan for Yonbi and Mioku for Sanbi. I'd have no problem with Nathan's position, but Mioku's seems rather iffy. I've yet to, really, see him RP as of late. Maybe I haven't been looking hard enough (who knows?), but we need active people to resume active. To just jump-start RP is kind of a challenge.
5) Trading? Well, as odd as it seems of an action, it can rid us of two problems:
Finding a home for the turtle and taking it from an inactive.
But then bring up the problem of: Now we're looking at a home for Gobi. It's like an orphanage exchange program - as morbid as a thought that may seem to some.
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You people do realize that if we canceled all the extractions and blah blah blah that were never rp'd all of the jinchuriki would be dude little to none heard of, most likely with deleted accounts. xD What's next? Taking kage titles back cause we never rp'd electing them? Hey! I know! Why don't we void the kg's of those that did not rp as part of those clans from the start! It's brilliant! :D
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I know where you were coming from broski. As far as the Gobi goes i'd say it'd simply be returned to Rakudo. I mean he had it for the longest anyway and he's the reigning Mizukage now. Simply trade the turtle to me and that does eliminate a very large issue as far as inactive. The turtle gets to hang with it's other sealed bijuu buddies. lol. Also as far as the rules go apparently we need to add some type of clause that addresses people fleeing from bijuu matches .-.
Nathan i agree on for being a Jinchuuriki. Mioku though? Isn't he as inactive as Rank?
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@Zenny:
1) Yeah, I know you're busy. Hence why I tried defending the stance on that. Like I said, there's just somethings one can let slip by -- just as allowing a bijuu to be taken OOCly when both parties already agreed to it. It was 'taken' some weeks ago, if memory serves, so I figured there was no need to do so. Hence why I used the whole "no using bathroom" analogy to explain that some things should just be left alone. But, all's well, if you're going to RP-it out, then go ahead; though I figure since she left Kumo now, it'd be all the more fun to just take it by using some nin to pick it up. Saves you trouble.
2) I still see the council as something we know of, but do not need exclusively. Like I stated in my first post: anyone's opinion is just as good as everyone's. I mean, what if everyone from the council is offline? Kinda boned on that one. I guess it can be seen as an 'official' ruling, if anything -- though I do fail to see what makes it so official if someone else had said the same thing. No need to postpone a fight so a handful of people can make a verdict on something like that, in my opinion. I'm still down for trial and error, however, so we can elect, let's say, 10 active members or something.
3) I don't see why Gobi would be given back to Kiri; Kyu gave it to you, through means unknown to the shinobi world, but that doesn't count as an inactive host -- just one who sought an ulterior motive with their bijuu that didn't involve its previous village.
4) 3rd&4th are currently being elected for. So far we have Nathan for Yonbi and Mioku for Sanbi. I'd have no problem with Nathan's position, but Mioku's seems rather iffy. I've yet to, really, see him RP as of late. Maybe I haven't been looking hard enough (who knows?), but we need active people to resume active. To just jump-start RP is kind of a challenge.
5) Trading? Well, as odd as it seems of an action, it can rid us of two problems:
Finding a home for the turtle and taking it from an inactive.
But then bring up the problem of: Now we're looking at a home for Gobi. It's like an orphanage exchange program - as morbid as a thought that may seem to some.
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Not even going to address any of that previous stuff, Rai backed me up all good like, but even I know Mioku is inactive. I asked him once, I think I was asking if he had to accept challenges for Nuibari, but he said he really doesn't rp anymore. Kiri has been in more dire straights then the fact that they don't have a host for the 3 tails so I don't think he would come back just for that, then again i don't know him at all so that is kinda outta my ass. As far as I know about Kiri Kotetsu is the only really active person right now. Isa vanished for whatever reason, which is weird because I was letting him challenge me for Samehada, maybe my belated wish from our bijuu fight came true and he was in fact hit by a bus.
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It's known that Mioku is really inactive, but between the 3 he would be the best option. I would have to say Kotetsu would be the most liable choice for obvious reasons, but hopefully the guy will be able to keep such in his possession at least until someone of high caliber from Kiri returns to an active status, then he could hand it over to them if he doesn't want it anymore.
I'm not sure if he would take it anyway, rarely talk to the guy.
I commend Kay's effort to roleplay through most things, though in some cases things should be overlooked and isn't that serious. Different views invoke different roleplay, hers just so happen to be much more serious regarding certain things than others, no big deal.
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An inactive player is never a good option. =P
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An inactive player is never a good option. =P
Pretty much this.
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I really dont rp much anymore...but if you guys do decide to make a council. I think the "council" should not have any jinchuriki (how ever you spell that) or kages. The council should consist of people who are not bias or somewhat non bias.
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That might have some sense to it, however, it's flawed, it should simply have people with the ability to be biased, and keep their cool under pressure. As it would sound like a wonderful idea and what not, it wouldn't leave that many people, needless to say that just because they are not a kage or jinchuriki doesn't mean they lack friends or a will in regards to their village getting/keeping bijuu. What we need is unbiased people, but finding people that are such due to no having any relations is nigh impossible. What do we do only allow missing nins? I'm also known as a big fan of Konoha. Even if they were missing nins, who the hell doesn't have friends or people they aren't fond of? :P
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I'll challenge for Samehada ^_^
Not even going to address any of that previous stuff, Rai backed me up all good like, but even I know Mioku is inactive. I asked him once, I think I was asking if he had to accept challenges for Nuibari, but he said he really doesn't rp anymore. Kiri has been in more dire straights then the fact that they don't have a host for the 3 tails so I don't think he would come back just for that, then again i don't know him at all so that is kinda outta my ass. As far as I know about Kiri Kotetsu is the only really active person right now. Isa vanished for whatever reason, which is weird because I was letting him challenge me for Samehada, maybe my belated wish from our bijuu fight came true and he was in fact hit by a bus.
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I really want to see a poll started.
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I really dont rp much anymore...but if you guys do decide to make a council. I think the "council" should not have any jinchuriki (how ever you spell that) or kages. The council should consist of people who are not bias or somewhat non bias.
That's like saying presidents can't be political figures before they are elected.
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It doesn't work like that D: I was only letting Isa challenge so I could kill him again and seal him away!
I'll challenge for Samehada ^_^
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I like the idea of the contestants of a match grabbing who ever they agree upon to mediate problems in a match.
I like the idea fo having clear rules established with leeway for the individual contestants to add or detract from them in agreement before a match. A window for them to set terms for their specific battle.
I like the idea of there being certain rules that are inviolable that are true and held to across the board. Such as time lines and settling in periods. Rest between matches if desired.
I would like to see KG and OPness dealt with as one of these inviolate rules, but if the opponents agree as a to what is permitted or not permitted before hand then that would supersede the rules. Posting such an agreement may be necessary so the loser doesn't try to weasel out.
I would like rulings upheld when a judge is called in. If need be at least an agreement of two or more for the more cantankerous debates.
But I fail to see how any authority will be imposed upon anyone for anything.
There is a fine line between what is acceptable in creativity and what is not. And Who gets to decide what is legit and what is not. Upon those points I think no agreement will ever be reached.
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Why is another similar topic to Kayenta's own made here in Game Development?
Also before anyone says "Oh the topic is dead and blah blah."
It isn't dead until the user decides to lock it, maybe if you decided to put some more input into the original topic rather then make an entire new one then maybe we'll get somewhere.
I also recall some questions were never answered in the original topic which I will post here and hopefully it will not be ignored again.
But how will the next cycle of rebirth enact?
I'm pretty sure if the beast itself dies in general it gets reborn after a number of years passed.
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*will ignore those questions again. << Also taught Kayenta said something about blessing us with silence*
Also, stuff like Samehada and what not should also be challengeable about as long as bijuu are but I suppose another thread should be made for such.
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I thought about that exact samething, should items like those be challengable. Jolt brought this to my attention about a month ago, as he challenged Mioku for the Nuibari blade. His challenge was denied and was told that he could not be challenged for such, which I think was a pretty lame thing to do as, once again, this invokes great roleplay.
I think this could be something we change but discuss in another thread, either way, they should be challengable as well.
Also, why is this council thing being brough back up, from my understanding it's clear that the people involved in the fight will go to someone they believe will give the best unbiased answer upon any conflict that needs an outside point of view.
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I like the idea of the contestants of a match grabbing who ever they agree upon to mediate problems in a match.
Personal selection? I'd agree to that, but the negative-belief of bias-reasoning keeps nudging at me.
I like the idea fo having clear rules established with leeway for the individual contestants to add or detract from them in agreement before a match. A window for them to set terms for their specific battle.
I am not, sadly, a lawyer. So, my ability to close-in all loopholes is resolved through trial and error.
I like the idea of there being certain rules that are inviolable that are true and held to across the board. Such as time lines and settling in periods. Rest between matches if desired.
Rest between matches? As in stop and RP that you're stopping to catch your breath? That's kind of weird since they're fighting to take something from you.
I would like to see KG and OPness dealt with as one of these inviolate rules, but if the opponents agree as a to what is permitted or not permitted before hand then that would supersede the rules. Posting such an agreement may be necessary so the loser doesn't try to weasel out.
What do you mean by KG and OPness be dealt with?
List what you can and can't do? 'Cause that's already set under special rules.
But I fail to see how any authority will be imposed upon anyone for anything.
There is a fine line between what is acceptable in creativity and what is not. And Who gets to decide what is legit and what is not. Upon those points I think no agreement will ever be reached.
You know, you can't please everyone. That said, the same can be applied with things such as the states. "Who are the states to dictate abortions or not? Our bodies, our choices."
We need to set what the majority of people want, 'cause that's the closest thing we can find to everyone.
@Kamui:
Why is another similar topic to Kayenta's own made here in Game Development?
Also before anyone says "Oh the topic is dead and blah blah."
It isn't dead until the user decides to lock it, maybe if you decided to put some more input into the original topic rather then make an entire new one then maybe we'll get somewhere.
I also recall some questions were never answered in the original topic which I will post here and hopefully it will not be ignored again.
But how will the next cycle of rebirth enact?
I'm pretty sure if the beast itself dies in general it gets reborn after a number of years passed.
I made this topic because no one bothered going back to the last one, yet problems persisted. I also took the moment to bring up other questions that relate to it.
And as far as "dead" = "lock", that's just silly. Lock = locked. Dead = well, seeing since you're having issue with it, when a topic is no longer being used. When no further posts are being made, etc. Can't revive a locked topic, after all. The term goes hand-in-hand.
I'm not going to go further into your response except just to answer your question that Eric, partially, answered.
What I"m understanding is that apparently in SL, if you kill the host as a challenger, then you lose, and the host dies and the bijuu is returned to the village of the deceased host.
I need to put that in the rules more clearly. There is already a way to win that's laid out. As for killing the bijuu, that falls with tampering the bijuu, but I guess that can be overwritten with the knowledge of the bijuu coming back. The problem I have with killing bijuu, is that time-frames don't really apply correctly here.
'Cause, we've only been up for ~6 years, so, let's say a bijuu would be, barely, brought back.
*Also taught Kayenta said something about blessing us with silence*
Be nice.
I thought about that exact samething, should items like those be challengable. Jolt brought this to my attention about a month ago, as he challenged Mioku for the Nuibari blade. His challenge was denied and was told that he could not be challenged for such, which I think was a pretty lame thing to do as, once again, this invokes great roleplay.
I asked Mioku as well for a fight; cept he accepted it yet never fought me after I waited the weeks and just ignored me.
We already said, or at least I kept saying, the council should be just well known and, popularly-declared, unbiased people.
Edit: I messed up on the quotes.
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Seen the mistakes on the quotes, but it's cool bro.
Yes, another thread needs to be opened to discuss certain items to be classified for challenges like the Bijū. It is known that killing the Jinchūriki kills the Bijū, so yes I would agree that it would be returned to the most recent village. Although, some people view these matches as complete ooc and not roleplay, which in that case, if the host loses, dies, passes out, or beheaded...the Bijū would just be given to the challenger and both characters remain alive an unscathed. Personally, I prefer to be ic in a match like this.
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Seen the mistakes on the quotes, but it's cool bro.
Yes, another thread needs to be opened to discuss certain items to be classified for challenges like the Bijū. It is known that killing the Jinchūriki kills the Bijū, so yes I would agree that it would be returned to the most recent village. Although, some people view these matches as complete ooc and not roleplay, which in that case, if the host loses, dies, passes out, or beheaded...the Bijū would just be given to the challenger and both characters remain alive an unscathed. Personally, I prefer to be ic in a match like this.
Yeah, I noticed the negation of what just happened in the fight. Gotta remember, though, people don't like to lose. Some people agree to, what I call, pink-slip fights. Meaning they say "If I lose, do what ya want and take what ya want/can."
Edit: Just got word that Nathan's taking up the yonbi. Waiting on a decision for gobi/sanbi from zen.
Edit: I guess we can move on to rewriting the rules more directly.
Edit: We need a ruling for how the tails could be acquired. Someone suggested inner battles (I.E. how B and Naruto did it) but people can just auto-win. I'd rather not set an amount of time people need to wait just to inner-battle it also.
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Well considering the possibilities. One could just go and subdue the bijuu from the first day.
But if an amount of time is needed I say a 20 days/tail should be good with a minus of 5 days for each of the following kg: Sharingan/Rinnegan/Mokuton. (reasons should be obvious)
But as long as people are reasonable and not taking full kyuubi control from the very start, It should be fine. I agree it would be silly to tell someone: lolol, you have to wait half an year to inner fight your bijuu.
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What if you have all 3 kg? 5 days/Tail?
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Sounds about right. You have two doujutsu that are highly competent of controlling bijuu and an element against which Bijuu are supposedly weak against.
But if we actually went with that we probable should go more in detail on the reset number and what not.
But again, still seems unreasonable to deny inner fights, and it's not like people should be forced to rp it. It's just like obliging them to got to the bathroom in rp at least 3 times a day. xD
My issue with this is what really stops a grand master Uchiha for example from going Madara on his bijuu only internally rather than externally.
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So, we have these layouts, then:
A) 1 Tail/20 days (As Rare suggested [and kind of what Cmage tried to enforce by doing 1T/Mo.])
- Certain KG grant lowering of days needed.
B) Allowing of inner-fights.
C) RP-it the old fashion way.
Uhh..
Edit: Spelling.
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5 day tails? Whew, everyone would just postpone all matches until they control all their tails.
Another method?
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Pretty much, yeah. I overlooked that. Grace period = 4 tails, essentially.
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A) To make it more complex we could have it so that minus one day for each reset in the 3. You'd get a maximum 12 days reduction if my math doesn't fail me.
B and C would leave gaps for some to come full bijuu masters out of the grace period.
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What about initiates to that reborn? Do they still get -5?
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Also, by days, hopefully you mean they have to atleast Roleplay training or inner fights, and not just log in, post "Chika continues his training, ect..." then log out.
I wouldn't count days towards the commune if they don't roleplay it or at least log in. Just staying offline for 5 days with GM uchiha, 6 Paths, and Eight Gates while in possession of a bijū shouldn't count, my opinion.
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I'd say stick with old fashioned RP. For example, if I trained non stop with the Bijuu for a whole month, then I think that would give me full control, or three tails. Also, by non stop I mean posting every day training with it for the whole month.
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@Rai I said -1/each reset in the 3 kg just before. :o So initiates would get -1
@Chika I disagree, it's not like you are obliged to rp to say something happened, that's just too Kayentaish. Now don't have me force you rp death out of starvation. xD No, but seriously, rp should be optional, it spices up things and grants you a better view from the community yet should stay optional. Given the amount of training each of us ever rp'd(average) most should have less than 7 jutsu and horribad stats.
Rp method seems fine too though, just doesn't feel right to oblige others and rises issues:
It's not like someone will check if they rp'd enough and we can't really put standard on how much and how well done rp it should take. So yeah, I'm objecting the rp method cause it's unclear and leaves room for issues and abuses while the other, not so much. Yeah, it would be lame for the host to go inactive for 80 days and claim full tails but meh. xD
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Although the rp method seems legitimate, Rare does have a point. No one's there to, really, regulate.
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(Removing the regulation jammer) xD
But, gaining a day for inactivity? Umm, I guess you have a point...but to call my opinion 'Kayentaish'? >_>
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So, then how does Rare's method work exactly? It confuses me but, basically, with my maxed out Sharingan I would only have to wait 15 days to obtain a tell? If so, then that seems a little long to me. .-.
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Now perceiving her name bestowed upon you is rather rude. How lowly of you Chika. >>
Yes, a gain from inactivity seems bad.
But also since we lack regulation we can't impose a number of posts it will take or how well defined they should be. So should we just be satisfied by people seeing them rp it on occasion? Of course not.
It's impossible to impose an exact amount of effort required that way and it's unfair for those that worked a lot more than others on it cause they've seen such as the "right amount".
As for my method, I tweaked it shortly after I posted the original. 20-number of resets in the 3. Full Uchiha -4 Sage of the six -6 Seijin or w/e it is -4. >> I just realized my math did fail me. Meh. 2 am. So yeah. If you had all 3 full you'd take 6 days each. In the case of Nathan, 16 days each.
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I believe it to be 1 tail each reset Nathan if i'm correct.
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Eww, that's too long. I'm going to go level so I can get Mokuton and cheat. >.>
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So we are left with the method being undecided eh...
Well then, why don't we mix the two?
Like... Reducing an extra day for every day in which it was rp'd. Even though no one is really checking people we could add that cheating will get your bijuu auto removed from you. That way people are likely to not risk it.
And then you'll go and say "Ew some can get it done in 3 days per tail" Well if a maxed of all those 3kgs rp'd it daily, I don't think anyone should have a place complaining.
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Is fine with that...Is it that serious to have to rely on your Bijū anyway? If that's the case, that is an unfit Host.
I'm agreeing to that Method, but just the first one that was implied by Rare, with the mixture of mines and his. 1 day per reset, this seems alright. Myself, I wouldn't be to anxious to master all of the tails...no need.
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So, with 6 days per tail at best, that means 3 days of RP = one tail. Meaning it'll take 3 weeks, at most, to tame the Kyuubi.
Maybe we can do a set-tail amount for reborns?
Like, you're allowed to start with 2, or something, if you possess things like that.
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So we are left with the method being undecided eh...
Well then, why don't we mix the two?
Like... Reducing an extra day for every day in which it was rp'd. Even though no one is really checking people we could add that cheating will get your bijuu auto removed from you. That way people are likely to not risk it.
And then you'll go and say "Ew some can get it done in 3 days per tail" Well if a maxed of all those 3kgs rp'd it daily, I don't think anyone should have a place complaining.
I wouldn't mind that. I mean, your rule kind of screws over people who don't want to be Madara. Any who, I was joking about cheating, if it wasn't obvious. I honestly couldn't care less about mastering the tails, since I'll probably rarely use it in battle.
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That sounds like a good idea Rai but I wouldn't want an initiate to be equally favored as a maxed in all of the stated.
There is a total of 14 resets that influence so how about this:
tail start:
4resets=1 8=2 12=3 and MAYBE 14=4
If not then we can just go with the previously state method. But going by the fact that you suggested somewhat of the day saving/dk being replaced with a tail start for them are you suggesting the rest would have the 20 days as a base and the rp'd day counting as 2 or not? :o
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I'm just giving a head-start thing. We can settle between days = 1 tail and RP day = 2 days.
They can use "Grab as PDF" to show they trained.
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The grab of pdf is a excellent idea. :D
Also, I say we stick with the Chika Rare combo with the Rai pdf grab added. Since the reset buff should be all the way rather than a magical boost at first. Seems more realistic that way. But in order to have an efficient pdf grab and show, we'd need an actual well established council for people to know who to send it to.
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I would just screenshoot mines actually...
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Either one, but there's proof.
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Will this apply to Nathan since I believe he's getting the Yonbi?
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He'd be a good gerbil.
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>_> Very well.
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He'd be a good gerbil.
XD
There's still the fact we'd need a well defined council for this method. Or should we just keep Rai and Zen? Could be a little too much work for them.
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To read ~1-2 pages of RP every other day?
Doubt it. Though people will, probably, rage that they're not included.
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With everything else out the way, it would be a good time to setup a list.
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Well I know a certain someone that would normally be included but should not due to behavior, certain alts and solid proof he/she lacks the right temper. >>
Alas. I'll establish a list of people I know people often go to ask rp stuff and what not:
Raifudo
Zenaku
Myself
Nathan
Who else is there? I know Rakudo and who not might be acknowledged as good rp'ers and what nots but they aren't community abused as much. How about Jinzo? I really don't know shiz about him though. xD
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I don't want to be a guiena pig. Any who, I don't mind being the first to test this method.
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Just throwing out a random idea about grabbing tails. By waiting a certain amount of day, couldn't you just increase the days the higher you go up in tails? Such as starting the first tail at 20 and increase in increments of five (obviously still less if on has the proper resets)
Cause in my personal opinion, no one should have complete mastery within a short amount of time, though I understand the need to speed things up.
I also foresee problems with my system for the biju with higher tails, meh! Maybe someone can revitalize it.
But yeah just my two cents, forgive me if I sound foolish, but better to post my opinion and get feedback.
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Well given the two series antagonists shown to gain control over bijuu on the spot, a stretching of it would be off.
Full control in nothing hard to get for a "Madara wannabe" xD
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Well given the two series antagonists shown to gain control over bijuu on the spot, a stretching of it would be off.
Yeah I suppose your right xD
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At least...5-8 people for the list. Like stated before, people who will thoroughly read the entire match up until the conflict, gives vauluable input of their opinion, and an unbiased answer. I could vouch for the 4 Rare stated.
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I just thought of something. What about outside help? I mean, Bee helped Naruto -- even if it was for the inner fight -- and Yamato could control the bijuu. So, let's say you know someone with Mokuton, would they be able to knock days of for you? Or, instead, you get two days knocked off when you RP with them and if they have Rinnegan -- or whatever you don't have -- 3, etc.
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That would be unecessary. Regarding one Jinchūriki helping another, that seems plausible.
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I think we're fine with the current speed of things. Start at a certain tail and then let the other tails come on by with the days (RL!) that flow. RP'ing one-two pages could speed things up to 2x and halve the time it takes to master the tails that are left.
In other words: Outside help or not, we have a fast-enough system already.
As far as the four Rare suggested, yeah, I'm fine with them. Jinzo, he can be of help, also. But he loves, more than I, to play Devil's Advocate and just throw everyone's fact into opinion. I guess we can just tell him to tone it down.
Guinea Pig =/= Gerbil, Nathan, My boy. >>
I think an odd number, by the way, so we can have a tie-breaker. Seeing since there could be the off-shot chance we have a 50/50 ruling.
What about Mei? I think he's inactive right now, don't recall, but I do so love his brain.
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Rares, I call you out on your attempt to over throw a Bijuu council that has already been set up.
First of all, the point both Kamui and I were making is that all Raifudo had to do was to make another reply and it would have shown up as a new post in the Bijuu council thread I already have set up just for this purpose. Then people would have known to go and look, or as is the case with this thread, Raifudo could have easily advertised that one in pms as he did his own.
Secondly...
Rares is not on the BIjuu council. Go look at the membership that was agreed upon and find out.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6929.0.html (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6929.0.html)
Thirdly, what part of play nice did you not understand Rares?
Now my name is being used as some sort of terminology to denote a state of being in others?
And last but not least, Rares...you have no right to just up and decide that I am not on the council for I qualify for it on two separate counts. Disagreeing with others is hardly an offense. That is what debate is for. However you seem to feel that anyone who does not whole-heartedly support your world view on how RP in SL should be is contemptible at best.
Additionally, I fail to see how my alts have anything to do with whether I am worthy of being on a body that sets out to decides things for SL or not.
But your apparent campaign to take a personal snit you have over me, concerning my lack of support in your alarm over my demon child and instead devoting my energies to that of my RL mother during her time in the hospital, and turn that into an opportunity to publicly attack me is abhorrent. BTW, she is still in the hospital, thanks for asking. And because I placed more importance on that issue rather than obsess about this game for one day parroting the appropriate responses that insure I retain your friendship, you choose to un-adopt me as your sister and now are having quite the good time being a jerk to me.
Do not speak of improper behavior and myself in the same venue sir because you are sorely unqualified to determine as to what proper behavior even is!
@Chika I disagree, it's not like you are obliged to rp to say something happened, that's just too Kayentaish. Now don't have me force you rp death out of starvation. xD No, but seriously, rp should be optional, it spices up things and grants you a better view from the community yet should stay optional. Given the amount of training each of us ever rp'd(average) most should have less than 7 jutsu and horribad stats.
And here we see that you feel RP is not even needed to learn justu. Why am I not surprised? I am amazed to learn that people don't RP learning jutsu. Do you mean you just claim something and all of a sudden you are its master? Wow...just ...WOW!!! Because unlike that 'most people' and I have talked to you about unverified data claims before concerning majorities on SL...I actually RP learning stuff from several Senseis and sparing partners over the very many years I have been here.
Concerning the Bijuu Council:
I feel that the council should be for settling points of what is allowed and what is not. By that I mean go over what a formal set of rules...that are used as Guidelines...will be.
I feel that judges should come from who is available and trusted to make such judgements in an unbiased way. I certainly would not wish to judge a match where Asadi was involved. That would be a place where I would excuse myself, because he is of course the very best man in the land. :P
@ Raifudo. Concerning Resting between matches. Between ...MATCHES...this mean that after I have successfully defended my bijuu in one match against an enemy...that I should get to rest for a certain number of days before people can start claiming I am refusing to fight them. WHY? Because we have lives...and it is nice to be able to do other things with my time than sit here and accept and RP...yes RP...one MATCH after another.
Back to remarks not directed toward anyone in particular:
IF RP is optional then why worry about how long it takes me to train being able to use even the cloak let alone one tail of my bijuu?
IF RP is not necessary, why have matches? Why complain about a demon child in the desert who can teleport if RP is OPTIONAL!!!!!!! Who is comic relief and not a serious threat to anyone?
It is possible to log on and stick to the forest and not talk to anyone at all. But when it comes to zoning you cannot zone without RPing. By definition it is rp. And so we must define what RP is legit. I uphold that Zoning is not all that RP is. Just because some people confuse the issue and think because they are not good int he zones that they cannot RP at all. This is a common misconception that I have witnessed over the years on SL.
Which brings me back to KGs and OPness.
My problem is with people who claim KGs they have not earned. You want to talk about training?
I see you, Rares, having seizures all the time over the things you read in people's bios who do not have the resets to back it up. But when it comes to training, RP...to gain mastery of tails..or even jutsu apparently, it seems its just fine to say the quicker the better as if a tail is so much less than a reset on a KG.
Should training RP for each tail take as long as it does for a person to make 80DKs and reset? Perhaps, it should. But being the epitome of Kayentishness, even I find that to be a bit ridiculous as to time length for training. To gain even one tail in less than two weeks to me seems ridiculous seeing as Naruto was how old before he even was able to control his access to the Kyuubi's chakra?
However, since the settling in period for new hosts is two weeks, it is also ridiculous for them not to be able to use even one tail in their first bijuu match. SO no longer than two week per tail seems to be good to me in the current rule set we have. I know it too Raifudo quite along long time to earn his tails. Why should it suddenly take other less?
At any rate, That any of this is taking place outside the council is bogus. I think this thread needs to be closed and that the discussion on what the rules will be should take place in its proper locality.
Although I was willing to let the issue of a redundant thread go, Once Rares ...a non member...started deciding I Should not even sit on the council at all...well When I am attacked I am less than friendly or willing to be conciliatory about much of anything. Which was kind of the point of my anger with Raifudo in the first place.
Rules should be determined in council. I don't know what you call this place; 'Trash and bash anyone who disagrees with you land'?
But you know what?
I think that even commenting upon what has occurred here is basically a complete waste of time. I know what is going to happen. You are going to come back and attack me again and again just like always occurs whenever I have an objection to some action that is occurring. And it won't stop here but follow me onto SL as well.
But you know what? When I see something is wrong and not being fair in some way, I am not going to just lie down and say...or it is too hard to put up with the name calling and trolling that will be hurled upon my head for daring to even speak out.
so go ahead and knock yourselves out.
and when you are done...guess what?
I am still here and on the council Rares and you do not make policy for a body to which you are not a member.
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Rares, I call you out on your attempt to over throw a Bijuu council that has already been set up.
First of all, the point both Kamui and I were making is that all Raifudo had to do was to make another reply and it would have shown up as a new post in the Bijuu council thread I already have set up just for this purpose. Then people would have known to go and look, or as is the case with this thread, Raifudo could have easily advertised that one in pms as he did his own.
Secondly...
Rares is not on the BIjuu council. Go look at the membership that was agreed upon and find out.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6929.0.html (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6929.0.html)
Thirdly, what part of play nice did you not understand Rares?
Now my name is being used as some sort of terminology to denote a state of being in others?
And last but not least, Rares...you have no right to just up and decide that I am not on the council for I qualify for it on two separate counts. Disagreeing with others is hardly an offense. That is what debate is for. However you seem to feel that anyone who does not whole-heartedly support your world view on how RP in SL should be is contemptible at best.
Additionally, I fail to see how my alts have anything to do with whether I am worthy of being on a body that sets out to decides things for SL or not.
But your apparent campaign to take a personal snit you have over me, concerning my lack of support in your alarm over my demon child and instead devoting my energies to that of my RL mother during her time in the hospital, and turn that into an opportunity to publicly attack me is abhorrent. BTW, she is still in the hospital, thanks for asking. And because I placed more importance on that issue rather than obsess about this game for one day parroting the appropriate responses that insure I retain your friendship, you choose to un-adopt me as your sister and now are having quite the good time being a jerk to me.
Do not speak of improper behavior and myself in the same venue sir because you are sorely unqualified to determine as to what proper behavior even is!
@Chika I disagree, it's not like you are obliged to rp to say something happened, that's just too Kayentaish. Now don't have me force you rp death out of starvation. xD No, but seriously, rp should be optional, it spices up things and grants you a better view from the community yet should stay optional. Given the amount of training each of us ever rp'd(average) most should have less than 7 jutsu and horribad stats.
And here we see that you feel RP is not even needed to learn justu. Why am I not surprised? I am amazed to learn that people don't RP learning jutsu. Do you mean you just claim something and all of a sudden you are its master? Wow...just ...WOW!!! Because unlike that 'most people' and I have talked to you about unverified data claims before concerning majorities on SL...I actually RP learning stuff from several Senseis and sparing partners over the very many years I have been here.
Concerning the Bijuu Council:
I feel that the council should be for settling points of what is allowed and what is not. By that I mean go over what a formal set of rules...that are used as Guidelines...will be.
I feel that judges should come from who is available and trusted to make such judgements in an unbiased way. I certainly would not wish to judge a match where Asadi was involved. That would be a place where I would excuse myself, because he is of course the very best man in the land. :P
@ Raifudo. Concerning Resting between matches. Between ...MATCHES...this mean that after I have successfully defended my bijuu in one match against an enemy...that I should get to rest for a certain number of days before people can start claiming I am refusing to fight them. WHY? Because we have lives...and it is nice to be able to do other things with my time than sit here and accept and RP...yes RP...one MATCH after another.
Back to remarks not directed toward anyone in particular:
IF RP is optional then why worry about how long it takes me to train being able to use even the cloak let alone one tail of my bijuu?
IF RP is not necessary, why have matches? Why complain about a demon child in the desert who can teleport if RP is OPTIONAL!!!!!!! Who is comic relief and not a serious threat to anyone?
It is possible to log on and stick to the forest and not talk to anyone at all. But when it comes to zoning you cannot zone without RPing. By definition it is rp. And so we must define what RP is legit. I uphold that Zoning is not all that RP is. Just because some people confuse the issue and think because they are not good int he zones that they cannot RP at all. This is a common misconception that I have witnessed over the years on SL.
Which brings me back to KGs and OPness.
My problem is with people who claim KGs they have not earned. You want to talk about training?
I see you, Rares, having seizures all the time over the things you read in people's bios who do not have the resets to back it up. But when it comes to training, RP...to gain mastery of tails..or even jutsu apparently, it seems its just fine to say the quicker the better as if a tail is so much less than a reset on a KG.
Should training RP for each tail take as long as it does for a person to make 80DKs and reset? Perhaps, it should. But being the epitome of Kayentishness, even I find that to be a bit ridiculous as to time length for training. To gain even one tail in less than two weeks to me seems ridiculous seeing as Naruto was how old before he even was able to control his access to the Kyuubi's chakra?
However, since the settling in period for new hosts is two weeks, it is also ridiculous for them not to be able to use even one tail in their first bijuu match. SO no longer than two week per tail seems to be good to me in the current rule set we have. I know it too Raifudo quite along long time to earn his tails. Why should it suddenly take other less?
At any rate, That any of this is taking place outside the council is bogus. I think this thread needs to be closed and that the discussion on what the rules will be should take place in its proper locality.
Although I was willing to let the issue of a redundant thread go, Once Rares ...a non member...started deciding I Should not even sit on the council at all...well When I am attacked I am less than friendly or willing to be conciliatory about much of anything. Which was kind of the point of my anger with Raifudo in the first place.
Rules should be determined in council. I don't know what you call this place; 'Trash and bash anyone who disagrees with you land'?
But you know what?
I think that even commenting upon what has occurred here is basically a complete waste of time. I know what is going to happen. You are going to come back and attack me again and again just like always occurs whenever I have an objection to some action that is occurring. And it won't stop here but follow me onto SL as well.
But you know what? When I see something is wrong and not being fair in some way, I am not going to just lie down and say...or it is too hard to put up with the name calling and trolling that will be hurled upon my head for daring to even speak out.
so go ahead and knock yourselves out.
and when you are done...guess what?
I am still here and on the council Rares and you do not make policy for a body to which you are not a member.
WARNING! What follows might not be appropriate for you children to read. >_>
You have a life? Since when? <_< That's rich coming from the alt record holder. >_>
Ah! As I feared! You shutting the fu*k up was a damn lie! D;
To my knowledge, you so called bijuu council failed to get recognize acknowledged due to some arguments/issues, your method of picking them being so bad that many of them were not anywhere near respectable shinobi, hell, some of those are viewed as god modes or below average or some of the ones you suggested as potentials at the very least. Sorry honey but something you just go on and make w/o the written approval of who would probably be the council head in the eyes of most(do I really need to say who I'm talking about?) means squat, cause as you see, as a consequence of your actions you've become a nuisance i.e. squat yourself. Were it not that way, Raifudo and several others wouldn't be making topic about defining who is in it and so on but w/e. :P
I am on the council/not on the council is irrelevant really, such a statement is far fetched given that one was never clearly established given the above. I simply suggested that someone that take off with a bijuu she pretty much officially surrendered, no longer took challenges for it while Zenaku started to do so, someone that throws a b*tch fit at about anybody when she feels like it, someone that makes up rules on her own and goes saying who deserves and doesn't deserve to challenge her MIGHT not be a good person for it. WHO KNOWS! What is she's in a bad mood and you get snapped at just for pming to ask something. My view anyway. And you'd best rest the nightcrawler god mode child of yours coming from that x-god mode husband of yours that abandoned you years ago(I honestly don't see why he or any sane man that wanted to keep it that way would >_>) cause it's a sore eyes for anyone who rp's as a SHINOBI on SHINOBI fu*king legends! Well anyway. I'm done posting anything in this thread, who knows? Some rabid bitch might bite me. Unlike others, I believe I contributed in the up way in it and I will also be keeping my word. :D
As for why bs alts would have something to do with it? Well it's simple, anyone that thinks that certain things are ok while clearly not such as being able to surpass hirashin and jkukkan ido (transparency excluded) combined on the reasoning the she's a demon and her demon god father could do it, is clearly not fit for a council.
And on a side note, you're the one usually attacking people that have a problem with your shizzy beliefs and logics, in this thread it started with Raifudo. ^^ I doubt there are many unknowing of your temperamental issues, hell, even you curse at them sometimes.
From that same thread since suddenly you starting one about it makes it official for w/e reason, sure explains Rai talking about defining who members are, but here:
Who's on the council? Zenaku and I, only, apparently.
I have the list of the past kage, but disregard past jinchuuriki since it's too long and unneeded.
I'd suggest and ACTUAL council thread is made by Rai or someone of equal acknowledgement so that competent, willing people are not left out and incompetent yet willing, that wouldn't make it to +jounin in most villages are not.
Personally, I don't care if I am in or not. I'd wouldn't lose community wide acknowledgement, people will come to me for help just as frequent, and so on. Just felt that since all that happened, I could be considered a member, unlike many, many others of those you've stated as such. Up till now, there wasn't even a purpose to define the council since people seen as incompetent by the community or at least not good enough would still stay that while in it and competent ones would still be resorted to even if not. But I just figured that since the latest method we came up with on developing the tails would over work Rai and Zen, there should be a larger council than just them, one that's actually approved and doesn't have a billion flaws so that they don't get fatigued due to the newly established method.
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As far as the rest between matches went: I apologize for misunderstanding that.
ºHow to Challenge a Jinchūrikiº
In order to challenge a Jinchūriki & obtain a Bijū, one must extend an invitation to its host along with proper arrangements for it to take place; should the Jinchūriki refuse the set date/time: negotiate for a more appropriate time.
I feel that judges should come from who is available and trusted to make such judgements in an unbiased way.
That doesn't seem to be you as of late. You yourself just said how you qualified on two accounts; yeah, your attitude has revoked that.
Rares is not on the BIjuu council. Go look at the membership that was agreed upon and find out.
So now YOU can choose who is and isn't? We're electing people right now. New topic, not going to recycle what's old especially after your little fiasco.
Disagreeing with others is hardly an offense. That is what debate is for. However you seem to feel that anyone who does not whole-heartedly support your world view on how RP in SL should be is contemptible at best.
You threw a fit at me and left your village because I disagreed with you.
Do not speak of improper behavior and myself in the same venue sir because you are sorely unqualified to determine as to what proper behavior even is!
Neither are you.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ All of that? Reasons why you're not suitable for council.
And here we see that you feel RP is not even needed to learn justu. Why am I not surprised? I am amazed to learn that people don't RP learning jutsu. Do you mean you just claim something and all of a sudden you are its master? Wow...just ...WOW!!! Because unlike that 'most people' and I have talked to you about unverified data claims before concerning majorities on SL...I actually RP learning stuff from several Senseis and sparing partners over the very many years I have been here.
What he's getting at is the fact that, as I have been saying, you don't need to RP everything. I never RP'd to learn a jutsu, practice techniques, etc. -- at least from what I remember -- and no one is here questioning me and proclaiming me a false zoner or anything of the sort.
IF RP is optional then why worry about how long it takes me to train being able to use even the cloak let alone one tail of my bijuu?
IF RP is not necessary, why have matches? Why complain about a demon child in the desert who can teleport if RP is OPTIONAL!!!!!!! Who is comic relief and not a serious threat to anyone?
1) You're not reading the planned arrangements for the bijuu tails, or something? We talked how it is optional to pick up speed.
2) Why complain? Well, if I recall, during a shinobi war that Zenaku wanted to do, you had your demon child say she could talk to Jinzo's Hachibi without a problem.
Edit: Quotes and Spelling.
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Took me FOREVER to get through 5 pages of stuff, but anyway..... I wouldn't mind trading Sanbi to Zenaku for Gobi then becoming the Jinchuuriki for Gobi again, likewise I wouldn't mind Mioku becoming the Jinchuuriki as long as he's active.
Just outta curiousity would anyone have a problem with me if I continued to do 1Tail per Month and/or start off with 3 tails mastered(should I be voted on by the council to be the Jinchuuriki) since I did hold the damn thing for over a year. (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_113_.gif)
Edit: I'm also free for RP judging as I am impartial despite being the active Mizukage, but of course if one isn't comfortable coming to me for help that is fine too.
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Please people let's watch our attitudes and not start a flame war over something that already is starting to lose meaning to me now.
I really don't want to lock this thread before I put in my two cents about these grace periods.
Just outta curiosity would anyone have a problem with me if I continued to do 1Tail per Month and/or start off with 3 tails mastered(should I be voted on by the council to be the Jinchuuriki) since I did hold the damn thing for over a year.
I wouldn't have a problem if you started out with three tails since I already known you as the previous host but you had it for a year and lost it for awhile so you should train/re-connect for those lost times before considering three tails as your starting goal.
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Well, if we wanna get manga-technical:
Tobi placing the bijuu back into the last hosts allowed them to access their bijuus cloaked states, so, I see no ill-will in taking that movement, Kumaggie.
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Well, if we wanna get manga-technical:
Tobi placing the bijuu back into the last hosts allowed them to access their bijuus cloaked states, so, I see no ill-will in taking that movement, Kumaggie.
But you forgot to mention the fact the previous host's own body were altered with a Kekkei Genkai not within their original blood line.
How long did it actually take a Jinchuuriki to fully connect with it's host in the manga?
I am pretty sure it was longer then a couple of weeks, even for Killer Bee.
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@Kamui: To be technical I had it from Jan 19th, 2011 to March 4, 2012; so depending on when the decision is made I may or may not have even been separated from Gobi for even 2 months, so I factored it as minus one tail per month without that specific Bijuu. But to your currect post I have Sharingan and Rinnegan so I'm "altered" too (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/154218d4.gif)
@Raifudo: I had completely forgotten about that (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/0fbbf481.gif)
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Because, to our knowledge, the Rinnegan does not hypnotize like the sharingan. Maybe it does grant some sort of one-up on the tailed beasts; we don't know.
Obviously lifetimes, but that's not guaranteed here. We cannot hope that, in 10 years, SL will still stand and that we can hope to achieve 3 tails by that time.
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The Rinnegan were only really implanted so that he [Tobi] could control the beasts when in a certain distance of him (as well as gain the shared-sight perk, with each one possessing the abilities of a certain path (which were never accessed considering Nagato's counterparts were wiped out by the same challenger [Naruto])). The Rinnegan had well, nothing to do with how many tails each jinchuuriki could access; any jinchuuriki should be capable of accessing as many tails as they deem fit, although if they lack control over their bijuu, then they're go on a psychotic rampage as Naruto did when in his 4-tails and 8-tails forms.
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Yes cmage, I believe if you re-host the Gobi, it would be easier for you to commune with it than any random Jinchūriki who never connected with it at all.
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When I posted the bijuu council thread I did not make anything up. I spoke to Raifudo and Zenaku about it and they were perfectly fine with it.
The list of names on the council were pulled from those who were eligible to serve and no one complained about those names. I never appointed anyone or did anything over there without asking for approval. Every move was out in the open and opinions were called for. So I really don't get where you go on and on about me just being high handed and doing things on my own through some self proclaimed power trip Cause that is not how it was at all.
As for living in Kumo goes, I am free to take my characters to anywhere and that has nothing to do with if I am a member of the bijuu council or not. I am not going anywhere boys so you 'd better get used to it.
If anyone is claiming anything it would be Raifudo with his errant statement that only he and Zenaku were on the council to begin with. That was a faulty assumption he was making long before I even created the thread for the council. A body of people who had existed just through having served as Hosts and Kages. And that was who was eligible to be on the council since as long as I can remember. Suddenly it is only Raikages? I think not.
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Additionally I am tired of getting harassed by Jinzo, or whatever he is calling himself these days, for still possessing the Nibi. He claims I am not playing by the books.
And how is that? Until Zenaku and I complete our RP with the Nibi it still resides within Yugito. Zenaku and I are in communication over that and have been ever since I brought it up. I brought it up because Johnny was under the mistaken assumption that Nibi was in a jar somewhere. All along Zenaku had told me that until someone won it that the Nibi was fine where it was and we would RP the extraction at that time. My leaving Kumogakure has not altered those original plans in any way and people need to step off on this issue already. It concerns no one but Zenaku and myself.
But because I am insisting on having this RP completed I am accused of being some sort of cheater, of making up my own rules in refusing challenges, and informed that Jinzo is taking my place on the council?
I don' t think so and it needs to stop.
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Didn't Kamui say he was going to lock the thread if this little argument continued? I can see a point where all parties are coming from in this argument, but we can discuss it without insulting each other and whatnot.
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Well I'll be apologizing for simply being incapable of remaining silent in the presence of the none-sense you are spouting.
It was not Rai who was being far fetched with the council being made of him and Zenaku only, why? Simply because they were pretty much the only ones full heartedly acknowledged by literally anyone.
As for the council you've put up, it had a pretty silly base, Kages and jinchuriki, yes, in a perfect world, that would be brilliant, however, we all know that among such more than just a few are by far not competent enough, some of them are in fact well known for their incompetence or their poor skill at the very least. I won't give names since there is no need to offend those that haven't done anything to do so just cause Kay did a bad job on a task. If the council was really given an "ok" by anyone, those people did so w/o knowing of the ones in question in the slightest, which is yet again, something a council member should not do. Hence the reason it is being rewritten. I don't think anyone can disagree that your attitude in this topic was a horrid one if not perfectly inexcusable.
As far as the Nibi situation goes:
To my knowledge, it was agreed in a form of sorts by you and Zenaku that your Nibi will be leaving your body and going in to his possession. If too many people disagree with you, you're probably wrong. Zenaku is just being cool and trying to handle things with decency.
If you're still confused, and by all means, should not be, from the moment you stopped taking challenges for the bijuu while Zenaku began to, it was in to his possession. I can't think of a more official proof/justification than that. Just cause you like to rp EVERYTHING doesn't mean it's law. I am certain that I am not mistaken in saying that over two thirds of the supposed sealing of bijuu were never rp'd that doesn't void them given the above proof.
Now lastly, know that the council thing isn't simply the opinion of Me or Rai or w/e, at least for the people that know the ones in question, a minimum of 4-5 people from your self proclaimed council will pass by as beyond ridiculous. I actually suggest people to go check if by chance they know the ones I am referring to. I said people should go check because this is beyond my opinion, they are well known for NOT being good. How you've let such a flaw in, I can't explain. Clearly, even if bla bla bla, official, not just made by you, bla, bla, bla. It needs to be rewritten, hence this thread. Why? Simply because some incompetent people(I'm not even referring to you here, in spite of your behavior and wrongs in the past few days) are in it and some willing, highly acknowledged, highly competent people are out. And to once again point out why your nightcrawler alt I PERSONALLY view as wrong, just so things have a clarity you CAN'T abuse(since you seem rather fond of doing that)
it would lead one to the thought that the respective council member. if called on a zone to judge similar stuff, would find it perfectly fine cause she does it herself.
This fiasco pretty much started with you claiming you still have the Nibi while no longer being considered the official host by even yourself since you were perfectly fine with Zen taking your place. To my knowledge, you gave it up cause Whitefang creeped you out or something. And then you attack Rai for questioning that for obvious reasons just before attacking me and Rai for getting down to the purpose this thread was made for. Remove yourself from the entire thread and people responding to you in this fiasco. What do you get? A perfectly fine thread in which people debate in a calm, practical manner. That pretty much suggests something, don't you agree? Though in your head, the answer probably is that people are mistreating you as a woman or some random stuff like that.
I understand that you are frightened by Rai passing you by far in global authority when he mentions/agrees you are unfit but please control yourself. Now I suggest we carry on. If anyone is actually curious they can pm on SL to ask which of that list are most certainly unfit and for what reason. Some of them I've fought myself and regretted deeply, some of them I've just watched and regretted it all the same. Now as Nathan suggests, let us carry on. I think this simply had to be said since Kayenta seemed to be under the belief that she had now wrong. Not to mention her fit started from a questionable jinchuriki status she didn't even want.
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Well this is turning into a fun little show.
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This argument could be transfered to the pm's of SL to keep personal and direct words about one another in private.
Forget all this talk about a council for the time being as it's only leading to unwanted behavior. We've already gone over the other topics, but what is to come of the Sanbi and Gobi trade? Will this happen and Cmage retain his not-long lost friend?
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Meh, Chika's probably right, the council thing brings too much hassle but doesn't meant it shouldn't be dealt with. Should goverments stop trying to deal with the recession? We could just make a poll on should it or not be erased and rewritten. I think that would make for a strong yes given at least some of those are wrong.
Alas, moving on as Chika suggested, I believe that is solely up to Zenaku now.
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So, council is out, for now (though I stick with the prior suggested as 'set in stone' for the time being).
Trade between Cmage & Zenaku with the 3rd & 5th is being negotiated on their own terms.
Guess we need to work on the rules, now.
Things that were brought up:
Time it takes for tails growth [we state a 'start with' availability of certain reborns were present] and then a Days (+RP [Optional])/Tail.
Another thing is an attempt to run away from fights; jinchuuriki wise. Thoughts on running?
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You mean as in fleeing? As much as it smacks down realism, I say that if a jinchuriki runs away it should lose it's bijuu. Yes, in most cases the opponent could try and stop it but many have means to almost insta-flee. Like Hirashin users for example.
Another issue I'd like to be cleared is that out of all summonings, paths, creation of clones, etc, edo tensei is most strongly violating the one vs one rule. If that flies, so should me forming a summoning contract with Rai, Cmage, Zenaku and Kamui and just summon them whenever I am in a bijuu battle. Don't seem right do it?
We need a better defined list of what goes and what does not. The host or challenger can agree prior to the battle. But what if they don't? I understand that pirated doujutsu is subject to void if one of the two protests even w/o the other agreeing. So what else should fall under this category? Were I to make a suggestion, it would be any kg of sorts not backed by a resets. Just cause it ain't official it doesn't mean you should claim it w/o applying the same amount of hard work as others. Not saying it's something we should void in general but at least something treated like pirated doujutsu.
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1) I like the whole not-running thing for that reason; I.E. Luka's insta-flee he did with Bocc involving a random ice mirror some super-amount of feet away.
2) Clones, etc. I'll get back to since my laptop is dying right now -- just trying to settle some quick points (I think clones, etc should be allowed, though -- though you bring a point).
3) What about sitters?
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Clones and summons should be allowed along with paths. But edo tensei should be where we draw the line cause it's no different than actually calling in the player for help. "But it's cannon!" So is hirashin but that doesn't mean I get to call players to my fight or rp as them in such.
As for sitters, the same should apply, while their effort is commendable, it still doesn't change the fact that they did not reset for their kg. Claiming a custom kg is just as bad as claiming an official one w/o the reset. Many could just claim custom doujutsu on par with the great 3 as cheap way to avoid resetting for it. I've met some cases but they understood upon a proper elaboration of why such is wrong. Weren't sitters though. Just saying, it's pretty unfair for all those that reset, didn't rp their kg until then cause it was all official stuff and only gradually rised it's level along with their well earned resets.
People w/o a reset should just do w/o a kg. But since there are people like sitters and what not instead of just the weak/noobish levelers that want to cheat the kg system is why I say it's not to be implemented globally and only voided upon the demand of one of the two parties.
Similar reasons for voiding pirated stuff, cheap way to cheat, and while I, personally, would allow it as long as done properly, i.e. butchering someone for their eyes there are some bad cases like: Alts, friends just lending it, getting it from people that never even rp so don't care in return for ooc favors, etc.
To further explain why the pirated kg falls under such since to my most recent intelligence some disapprove:
One could have Sharingan, Toad, Senju, Lotus resets. Let's say they implant byakugan in one eye socket, rinnegan in the forehead, and hyouton + kaguya dna. No that's just wrong. It's not viewed as generally god modish to have a pirated rinnegan so it's fine and all but if your opponent chooses to disagree due to you lacking the proper work for it, it's beyond reasonable.
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I'm okay with paths and clones that were previous stated to exist; not just "oh you hit me but it turned out to be a clone" which is why I never really accepted substitution jutsu.
Curse you Rare!!! I was gonna do something similar to that seeing as I'm only one step away from my goal, but I think pirated DNA is where I draw the line because nobody is like Orochimaru/Kabuto in that they study DNA and do trial runs on many "patients" until they get it right. While I'm thinking about it, I think we need to establish that Earth Grudge Fear does not give you DNA based KG...
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I'm okay with paths and clones that were previous stated to exist; not just "oh you hit me but it turned out to be a clone" which is why I never really accepted substitution jutsu.
Curse you Rare!!! I was gonna do something similar to that seeing as I'm only one step away from my goal, but I think pirated DNA is where I draw the line because nobody is like Orochimaru/Kabuto in that they study DNA and do trial runs on many "patients" until they get it right. While I'm thinking about it, I think we need to establish that Earth Grudge Fear does not give you DNA based KG...
As opposed to the peanut butter based Kekkei Genkai? I already know who you are talking about and this is my logic. If you absorb someone with Jiongu who has an elemental kg like Yoton, Koton, etc, you are kinda absorbing them too. You are using the chakra and part of their body to perform the jutsu. That being said KG pirated in this manner would not be able to be used above 1 reset level. So just the basic stuff.
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Ok i have to chime in on a few things.
1) Cmage i'll PM you when i get back from Chicago on Tuesday and we'll discuss how we'll go about switching the bijuu. Also did Rank officially drop the Sanbi? Just asking.
2) You guys need to seriously back off of Kay. (Rare >_>) The Nibi situation is between myself as the Kage of the village and her the jinchuuriki who had the arrangement. She's free to leave whatever village she wants for whatever reason she wants. As was stated i just didn't have the time to RP the extraction of the Nibi. I'll do so once i return from my trip as well. End of story. That's all she wrote. Further, regardless of what has been going on she's still a capable judge as far as legality of moves and abilities and overall RP. That said, i vote her in the council. Just how i feel.
3) The whole running away from matches deal sorta annoys me and given the option i'd have to say i'd like fleeing a match to be forbidden or something. I mean here's an example. You challenge me for a bijuu right? Now i have to set aside my precious time to fight you which is expected as a jinchuuriki should. Then just because you bit off more than you could chew you get to simply flee and challenge again another day? If that's the case there needs to be some punishment for fleeing like they can't challenge again for a certain period of time or something. Also, i think that there should be a longer time period between challenges than two weeks. I mean how much better could a person get in just two weeks. I think it should be bumped up to like a month or more.
Thoughts?
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The implementation of DNA Kekkei Genkai is just bad. Okay how about this. I'll reset into Mokuton and give everyone some of my blood so they can have it, the Rare, you reset into The Yuki Clan and do the same. Shinobilegendsblooddrive.com
What sense doesn't that make. I'll acknowledge non-resets to have a dōjutsu, if obtained the right way, which most aren't but who knows, but other than that, I don't oblige to accept such.
Also, Not attacking her in any form, but Kay if you're still going to hold on to the Nibi, at least fight for it until it's extracted by Zenaku. You say his method of sealing the Bijū away is taking them out of roleplay, so why have you done the same by first saying you wouldn't be host anymore so you weren't accepting challenges, then up and say you still have it and leave Kumo?
I'd say Zen has it whether it was roleplayed out or not, but this is my viewing upon the latter.
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Haha sorry? >>
Well given the arguments between Boc and Nathan going on. The rules seem to require to be EXTREMELY specific for everyone to get. Now while it is not specified in the rules, to my knowledge, pirated doujutsu was voided before on the host request for reasons above stated.
We already did brozen, the council was the more iffy part and what not since no one really acknowledges the whole bunch.
As for the fleeing. You have a point. It's only fair that if the Host can't flee nor should the challenger. But it's something you should just put in the terms before battle since some just do them ooc'ly to begin with there is no need for an actual rule other than bijuu not actually fleeing to avoid having their bijuu taken be the fight ic or ooc. You don't want them to run? Set that rule before the fight. It's more than reasonable.
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@Rare about Sitters:
Obviously I bring it up due to Jinzo's example. His use of the amateragan is, primarily, to see heat signatures and use fire-based techniques. Amateragan, as an OC, as been around for years -- even in the days of Tripleblitz.
The reason I want to defend sitters is because their purpose isn't to level, but rather to PvP. A very different game than DK'ing. As it is, Jinzo can kill people with over 100 dragon kills even though he sits at 2.
I mean, you can, obviously, argue "well, what if I make an acad and keep it at level 15? Can I claim Kg and stuff?" Although I want to say 'no', it'd vary on just how devoted you've been really -- that or just how out there your KG is.
2) Further, regardless of what has been going on she's still a capable judge as far as legality of moves and abilities and overall RP. That said, i vote her in the council. Just how i feel.
As much as I love you, Zenny, you and I are going to be butting heads there quite the bit -- especially for "overall RP". Why? Let's count the ways.
1) She disregards currently stated affairs to meet her own desired standards.
2) She rejects things simply because they don't meet to what she wants them to be -- I.E. Jinzo being turned down a zone fight for the Nibi because he has a bijuu and 'doesn't deserve it.'
3) She is a bigger hypocrite than I am in several things; one of which calling an alt(?) of hers - the demon child - comic relief and yet implements her in 'seriouz bznz' RP.
- That's dwelling into the Suna invasion where she/it claimed to suddenly appear into the inner realm of Jinzo to talk to the Hachibi.
4) Her current stressing of situations consist of "it doesn't matter if you disagree, I agree so it's fine.".
- That's to say the situation where she is, apparently, at all reasons to say, as she desires, Rare is not in the council simply because. I said she wasn't fit for it anymore due to her outrageous remarks and blatant outbursts which consist of, but are not limited to:
A: Accusations of sexism in remarks simply because I disagree with her.
B: Telling me to shut up and that she will never again post (yet here she is) because I, again, disagreed with her.
C: Left her village, which she - to me it seemed- loved with no IC reason but simply because she's mad at me.
Those reasons, which aren't even all of them, show how spiteful she can be. So, who are we to say she's fit for council if she's so easily swayed by emotions? She even said so herself she'd be too bias and be in favor of Asadi should he ever be involved in a fight.
P.S. Kamui, don't you dare call this bashing. It's called discussion; as in why I don't see her input clear-minded.
@ Rare about Fleeing.
Rules are vague on it, but it states how one DOES win. Meaning fleeing isn't an option. So, mer. Like I said, it's a discussed rule that does in fact need implementing.
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Well I see your point Rai, but if that's the case, we need to implement a sitter standard and what not. Some actually tried to make custom doujutsu on par with rinnegan. We can all agree that should not fly. I don't really have issues with minor kg but not those claimed to rival those of a maxed official one.
And let us have this clear once and for all cause in spite of a rather long argumentation on my behalf, Boc is still having issues. May or may not one of the parties oppose a pirated kg? The issue I am dealing at hand is Nate opposing Zioku's 6 path eye in Boc. And personally, I agree with Nate due to reasons stated prior. If so, it apparently needs to be specified accurately.
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Those may be reasons in and of themself however we're talking about RP here. The Nibi situation is off the table to disregard that. Looking at pure RP and rulings in and of themselves Rai she has usually ruled the same way either one of would of ruled anyway. That shows me when it comes to being unbiased looking on at other bijuu fights sells me on her ability. Also, you guys keep claiming about her emotional state and her reactions.
I ask you this, if a gang of people were seemingly attacking you and your methods and then someone else comes along and makes the EXACT same ruling and they are praised what would go through your head? You may not react as she did but you'd probably go WTF?
Her demon child isn't on child here nor relevant when talking about bijuu matches either. We're focusing on someone's ability to fairly and justly judge a bijuu match. That's it. Looking back at her track record i'm convinced she can do that.
Looking at the bare bones of the matter we may very well be bumping heads however that's my stance on it. I don't have to have my way so long as i have my say.
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*looks at Zen and Rai with teary eyes* Mommy, Daddy! Stop fighting! ;~;
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I'd better be daddy >_>
Also finally looks at Rare's avy and falls out laughing
*looks at Zen and Rai with teary eyes* Mommy, Daddy! Stop fighting! ;~;
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And personally, I agree with Nate due to reasons stated prior. If so, it apparently needs to be specified accurately.
At this point, the only luxury we have is being able to establish things before the fight. I guess disregarding clarification on your behalf shows you don't care enough of the parlor trick; I.E. a maxed out doujutsu you don't have technically.
Also, you guys keep claiming about her emotional state and her reactions.
You make it sound like we shouldn't?
If your president, as shockingly handsome and charismatic he can be (or "beautiful and charismatic she..." for you sexist accusers), was politically wise and very well-versed in the laws of their country, would you overlook it if they made hasty and, for a lack of better phrasing, stupid decisions?
Hell, one country commented that what the president was doing was immature and to learn to keep calm instead of jumping the gun. Because of that, now the president has launched war and countries are engaged in firefights, etc. (Cold war, anyone?)
Why the hell is that figure in office? Ticking time bomb and whatnot.
I ask you this, if a gang of people were seemingly attacking you and your methods and then someone else comes along and makes the EXACT same ruling and they are praised what would go through your head?
A shock that I'm discussing her statements in a discussion thread. That I'm rebutting what she said with my own opinion as she has exercised hers to begin with.
What would go through my head? "Derp, I just said that." -- You can't compare two people's mentality's. Basic philosophical introduction: not everyone thinks the same.
Her demon child isn't on child here nor relevant when talking about bijuu matches either.
That was case-in-point towards her hypocritical means that she's been free-versing towards Rare. Yes, I understand Rare has been barking back (even though I told him to be nice), but the moment she says something to him that he cannot do, she immediately does it.
Example? Saying he's not in the council and that he cannot say he's in the council or say she's not in the council.
And you can say as much as you want; however, I hope you know that means I have all rights to respond to anything and use it against you.
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*is glad he humored Zen! :D*
Even though I said I'd lay off, I don't think someone can argue that the points me and Rai have made are pretty valid.
Furthermore, the reason I vehemently request that the pirated kg is clearly stated is that at this point we can't get any more reason. It already generated issues and arguments between a challenger and a host.
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1) She disregards currently stated affairs to meet her own desired standards.
2) She rejects things simply because they don't meet to what she wants them to be -- I.E. Jinzo being turned down a zone fight for the Nibi because he has a bijuu and 'doesn't deserve it.'
3) She is a bigger hypocrite than I am in several things; one of which calling an alt(?) of hers - the demon child - comic relief and yet implements her in 'seriouz bznz' RP.
- That's dwelling into the Suna invasion where she/it claimed to suddenly appear into the inner realm of Jinzo to talk to the Hachibi.
4) Her current stressing of situations consist of "it doesn't matter if you disagree, I agree so it's fine.".
- That's to say the situation where she is, apparently, at all reasons to say, as she desires, Rare is not in the council simply because. I said she wasn't fit for it anymore due to her outrageous remarks and blatant outbursts which consist of, but are not limited to:
A: Accusations of sexism in remarks simply because I disagree with her.
B: Telling me to shut up and that she will never again post (yet here she is) because I, again, disagreed with her.
C: Left her village, which she - to me it seemed- loved with no IC reason but simply because she's mad at me.
Alright I won't call this bashing per say...but allow me to counter your logic with my own then we can both be the judge of that. :roll:
1) That is not true...I feel that most of us have to agree within the council before the standard is set but since you decided that the previous council is out without even informing the others the latters says the rest. -> So, council is out, for now (though I stick with the prior suggested as 'set in stone' for the time being).
2) This actually speaks for itself, Jinzo already has a Bijuu, a Jinchuuriki shouldn't be allowed to challenge other Jinchuuriki since they must defend their own title from foreign invaders and of the lots.
3) I really don't anything about what occurred in this Roleplay but it's to my own knowledge that certain doujutsu users can reach the inner realm of the Jinchuuriki. IE; Sasuke VS Naruto
4) And is this making it any better by calling out the user on such trivial topics? IE; Putting more fuel to the flames will not make this easier...will only make me flagged this topic so I can watch you guys carefully. :oops:
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As stated before, whenever I bring some names of that supposed council up, the bad ones of course, people lol and go "I never acknowledged that council to begin with." That's pretty much the very reason it's being like this. The council should contain only people of great valor, not exclude does that are appealing for such, and by all means not include people that put it to shame. Even those that chose to remain silent on the topic pretty much agree.
So when Nathan and Boc approached me, Nathan as host, not wanting to acknowledge a full 6 path pirated rinnegan and Boc raging at that I should have just went "Well Boc is a council member, I ain't. The shiz you coming to me and not listen to him?".
Personally I'd have some heavy blame for those that approved of something w/o knowing of those in question.
Sure, it was rude that the council members were not informed but the forum is pretty much public so anyone can come see it and express their opinion. Of course, it's a forum law to get bashed when everyone labels you opinion as silly but you'll just have to take that risk. :P
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1) That is not true...I feel that most of us have to agree within the council before the standard is set but since you decided that the previous council is out without even informing the others the latters says the rest. -> So, council is out, for now (though I stick with the prior suggested as 'set in stone' for the time being).
2) This actually speaks for itself, Jinzo already has a Bijuu, a Jinchuuriki shouldn't be allowed to challenge other Jinchuuriki since they must defend their own title from foreign invaders and of the lots.
3) I really don't anything about what occurred in this Roleplay but it's to my own knowledge that certain doujutsu users can reach the inner realm of the Jinchuuriki. IE; Sasuke VS Naruto
4) And is this making it any better by calling out the user on such trivial topics? IE; Putting more fuel to the flames will not make this easier...will only make me flagged this topic so I can watch you guys carefully. :oops:
1) go back to read and see that quote was in context of moving on to another topic for the time being.
2) Madara fought with 2-7 tails against hachibi & kyuubi, what?
- Likewise, you said 'defend their own title from foreign invaders'. Since when was that the task for a jinchuuriki? They're war-tools.
- Yugito left Kumo for no reason; seems like she's a runaway (missing-nin now).
3) She was a 'demon child' that Kayenta spawned from a god-mod of a 'spouse'. No doujutsu, etc.
Part demon/vampire on her fathers side and human from her mother, she has dark black hair and green eyes which flame with a green fire. Uses her demon flame and can speak to others telepathically.
Her bio.
4) I'm simply recalling what everyone has witnessed to further show why she's unsuitable.
Edit: Fixed quotes.
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2) Madara fought with 2-7 tails against hachibi & kyuubi, what?
- Likewise, you said 'defend their own title from foreign invaders'. Since when was that the task for a jinchuuriki? They're war-tools.
- Yugito left Kumo for no reason; seems like she's a runaway (missing-nin now).
Uchiha Madara only used the Kyuubi against the Shodaime Senju Hashirama and even then he wasn't the junuchuuriki, he used the Mangekyo to force a genjutsu on the Bijuu and force it to submit to his will for the purpose of his own self-gains.
Tobi/No name on the other hand fought Killer Bee and Naruto using the collective he gained from his organization and still he wasn't a Jinchuuuriki although he aims to become the Juubi's.
- They may be war tools for the country's use but you forget, you will still have to decide and accept challenges for your title. (Why would a Jinchuuriki that has trained with his own Bijuu want to challenge another for their Bijuu? Wouldn't they need to focus on their own beast?)
- Yugito may have left Kumogakure but she still hasn't continue her RP with Raikage Zenaku so until then she will still be consider part of that village until that roleplay ends. (If Zenaku doesn't have any quarrels with this.)
As for everything else...it seems everything is being one-sided, you disagree to agree but the latter is to agree to disagree.
Almost like a witch hunt for everyone's imperfections when it comes to roleplay and I am starting see faults in everyone's own responses to your own.
I think council should at least hold a vote before anything is decided at all.
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I'm not liking the talk of not having jinchuriki able to challenge for more bijuu. That seems like a pointless rule to me.
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I'm not liking the talk of not having jinchuriki able to challenge for more bijuu. That seems like a pointless rule to me.
That's the thing even the Jinchuuriki isn't satisfied with their own power so they seek out more.
You should focus on your inner world and the beast within so that you can master your tails along with his unique traits that come along with it.
Pointless rule or not, look at it this way...
People were complaining about Zenaku holding more then one beast but the fact is they were in his stead to begin with before his status.
If a Jinchuuuriki is put to the task of defending another beast rather then fighting for it then doing whatever that user does for their own needs then who is to say a Jinchuuriki can just come upon the beasts coincidentally by their governing powers.
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You've been pointing out that the quick take overs were external ones, but given that an inner battle can most likely take place at any time desired by the jinchuriki, it all depends on his strength. With the mangekyou or rinnegan it would be piss easy due to what you yourself stated.
It is irrational to not allow a jinchuriki to challenge for more. Not sealing more than one inside of them I can fully understand but nothing should be stopping them from hunting other jinchuriki. Maybe someone just wants to form the Juubi. Why should we stop them as long as they are capable?
As for who deserves and who does not? Being capable to win it seems like the only thing that should decide that.
And due to the above, one can clearly make it fast. Real fast. I'd acknowledge an Uchiha Madara reset wise do the bijuu mastery in a day. And I think you yourself said the jinchuriki were capable to do it due to being kg altered, those that naturally have those kg should have no problem. But since MANY would have a problem we have it range from 3 weeks or so Kyuubi at best and half an year worst. Due to reasons Rai stated, we can't really apply time down to the core even for those with the worst chances. Look at it this way, we took those that reasonably could make it in a day, greatly increased their required time while decreasing the required time of those at a disadvantage.
So yeah, what I am basically saying is that with the inner battle or inner meeting just in some cases, if you can control it externally, internally should be no different.
And while some go, "it took them years" and ignore the instant it took others to control externally, look at it this way: Naruto never got proper training to control it up to a certain point, given Jiraiya's attempts failed with him almost dying. From the point at which his training began on the turtle island, and all the way to mastering the nine tails, it was a week or less.
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\It is irrational to not allow a jinchuriki to challenge for more. Not sealing more than one inside of them I can fully understand but nothing should be stopping them from hunting other jinchuriki. Maybe someone just wants to form the Juubi. Why should we stop them as long as they are capable?
This.
As it is, maybe someone saw easy-picking's with one host and decided to choose to use the bijuu to win another.
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You don't go telling rich people that they can't open more businesses either. >>;
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I'm still waiting for a legit reason one cannot' seek out other Bijū if they already have one.
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This will be my lasts post in this world of SL.
I did not make up anything. The rules about who are on the bijuu council have always been village kages and hosts past and present. I found as many as I could and listed them in the first posts of the Bijuu council thread I posted. That was not hidden from anyone but put into the open for all to see.
The only objection I heard about certain people who were not good enough to sit the council came from you Rares, someone who has repeatedly refused to sit either as a kage or a host. Regardless of how well they RP'd their bijuu, they still are council members by the agreed upon qualifications. No where was it said you had to be a boss in the zones to be a member. And Rares, since you have never been a village Kage or a host, even though there are council members who are poor zoners, they are MUCH MORE QUALIFIED to sit the council because they know first hand what it is like to be a host and have a special understanding of the stresses that apply to the job which you do not have. EXPERIENCE AND FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE.
Once again I will explain so that everyone can understand. I gave up being the official host of the Nibi because I was not permitted to deny matches to those with a valid reason even though it says in the rules that I am allowed to do so. For some reason, that rule didn't apply to me. So Raifudo, don't be talking about how I am a hypocrite. You would not even stand up for me on the basis of your own rules concerning the refusal of matches.
Zenaku said Yugito would remain the 'vessel' the Nibi was housed in while he as Kage of Kumo would fight challengers. When a suitable host was found, then the extraction would take place. I am not permitted to accept challenges for the Nibi because it would not be fair to those I refused, namely WhiteFang, if I didn't fight him but did fight someone else. The RP is not completed between Zenaku and myself and it is with no differing outcome that he and I choose to RP the extraction of the Nibi than if it resided in an urn. It matters to Zenaku and myself and doesn't effect anyone else and I see no reason why you all are so concerned over an RP you are not part of.
RAifudo is wrong about Nayeli, the child has a name, and has been ever since the night the RP at Suna took place. At no time did she go into the demon realm to speak with the Hachibi. She was right there onthe desert sands when she spoke her native tongue in an attempt to speak to the Hachibi, just as she had done with the Yonbi while Dark was the host the first time. She is a child and assumed it would work just as it had before. And yet you insist upon freaking out about her running about the battle as comic relief so sure that I was going to do something unethical just as you all are freaking out over Yugito as if I would do something unethical with her.
In fact I am and have always abided by the rules of fair play in both matters.
But basically you people have taken everything fun out of this game. And I will be moving on to a place where fun is actually allowed to exist. I will not stick around to be further villified. I am giving all my account to my sister and Neji can either remove the GM powers from my account or give them to Mario. That is for him to say. I shall of course notify him of this change in events.
good bye.
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R.I.P Kay... :cry:
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Far as I'm concerned, none of you should be upon any council. SL should be as it was and stay that way. The Bijuu changed hands with no problems even when the holder went inactive. Everything went through simple communication and without this over the top belittling.
Now, everyone thinks they're in the position of God to make judgement over a world of fiction that is always breaking barriers on what everyone thought was possible.
Quit constraining a world of endless possibilities and let the game thrive like it used to. If you don't, you'll gladly kill what was once a game of free roaming role playing fun.
NOW STOP YOUR BULLSHIT AND RUNNING OFF PLAYERS!
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Far as I'm concerned, none of you should be upon any council. SL should be as it was and stay that way. The Bijuu changed hands with no problems even when the holder went inactive. Everything went through simple communication and without this over the top belittling.
Now, everyone thinks they're in the position of God to make judgement over a world of fiction that is always breaking barriers on what everyone thought was possible.
Quit constraining a world of endless possibilities and let the game thrive like it used to. If you don't, you'll gladly kill what was once a game of free roaming role playing fun.
NOW STOP YOUR BULLSHIT AND RUNNING OFF PLAYERS!
"No".
Anyways! As Chika and Rare said, what if the case persisted they wanted to pull a tobi and nab themselves all 9 tails to make the juubi? Sure, right now would be a rather far-cry of a possibility since we don't know what WILL happen, but it's merely an example. As it is, using things such as custom weapons with special powers, or substituting resets for similar custom-kg is around the same basis as using rp-acquired powers to gain bijuu. Ergo, using a bijuu to win against another jinchuuriki, no?
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Again with the ruining site bull. Seriously? People like us, that you often state as rigid, having a stick up their posterior and other offensive means of reference, make it a better place if nothing else. I, myself, have opened the eyes of quite a few demons, werewolves, fairies, etc. and set them straight as well as elaborating to many that god moded mostly out of lack of knowledge or cause no one explained it in detail to them. So yeah, going by your brilliant ideology, I have no right, blah, blah, blah. That doesn't hurt the site. It's the other way around, people that rp in a certain manner, then snap at those like us for "belittling" their overly "creative" natures, while full knowing many gravely disagree with their means and are being a big sore eyes for quite a few are the ones ruining the site, as are those that throw a fit whenever they don't get their way and claim their way anyway no matter what others say(not giving names >>). Pretty much we're praised by those that rp properly as shinobi on SHINOBI legends and those we changed the ways of, them of course being glad the ridiculing of many has stopped raining on them.
As for the council, that is obviously why it is being rewritten. The base it had was obviously an incorrect one given that untrusted people in regards to rp evaluation and what not were in it. As I said, perfect world, that kage and bijuu would be all fine and dandy, but it's not. Whenever I bring the lesser part of your supposed council to those knowing of the ones in question I get "never acknowledged it" "lol U kiddin right" etc. But according to you, council members that make people lol are much more qualified than me, who has been treated as such by the community for quite some time now. That's some nice logic you have. To sum it up, that method is bad cause it doesn't really verify competence in the slightest and it give birth to way more council members than needed. If it come to kage, I have more first hand experience than most in such, I've been like one w/o the title along side the last hokages, even w/o them on multiple occasions. So just cause I choose to not be some power/pride hungry dude and work just like one w/o taking the title doesn't make me anything less. First hand experience and knowledge? It's not like Jinchuriki fights abide by entirely different rules than rp, in fact I aided in many of those upon requests of one or both parties cause Rai and Zen were not on, and they've apparently saw me as the next best thing. As for when it come to rp, my insight in regards to errors and noruto knowledge, surpasses many, that's pretty much the experience and knowledge that should be taken in consideration rather than Rakudo trolling by giving a weakling a bijuu that gets taken by the first challenger, a one year ago Boc or so and suddenly that weakling, that on the most part is ridiculed for his fail when it comes to rp is suddenly eligible for a council seat. Not gods but at least people renown for their ability in a non bashful form, or at least not renown bashfully. If even that doesn't make sense, then yeah, Kayenta is pretty much right.
Well, there are the select few that view rules enforcement badly but that's no different than a bunch of hippies going: Duuuuuuuuuuuude, the government and laws are ruining this country.
The beliefs of Asadi and Kay in means of creativity is that we should let people do and be w/e they want. Yeah, I'm not the only one seeing something bad with that.
Let's get down to getting some head lines.
I didn't yet get a clear response on weather we are putting the pirated kg specified in the rules. Boc said it ain't in the rules and what not, questioned me greatly, and said if it's the way it is, the rules should be more specific about it. I agree with that, it would help us avoid arguments like these taking place in the future.
What of Custom kg, do we agree that it should be there also with the exception of sitters? They should only get one in my view, with no exaggerations. We also need to define the sitter level required. How about pvp extent set to a minimum of 80 for obvious reasons? The point I am trying to make is that this stuff needs to be better specified and the rules should be less ambiguous.
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For those such as Bullseye, Meizu, and Jolt? Those who have recieved their dōjutsu otherwise but don't plan on resetting? I would give those the benefit of doubt for pirated dōjutsu only. Implantation to recieve DNA from kaguya/yuki shouldn't be allowed because those need to be earned.
Regarding Jinchūriki hunting other bijū, I recall, like Rai stated already, the masked man Tobi using the 2-7 tails against Bee and Naruto to caputure them, so why should it not be allowed here? It's already be seen in the manga someone attempting to aqquire all bijū, but when Zen does it, it's a problem?
Sitters holding KG's...hm, at a certain amount of dk's. I think the limit should be set a bit higher than 80pks. Maybe 100?
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Well as stated, the pirated being voided only if the combatant demands such. The most recent matter that arose this issue is Boc holding a 6 path rinnegan eye.
You have a point there with the sitters. Yes, it needs to be more fair. In that case, I'd suggest making it 50-70 above the amount of dk you hold.
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Someone went to town on giving me -20 Karama, haha. I actually like hitting such a high "don't like" rate. Makes me all giggly and warm inside.
Moving on!
We should probably make use of the "grab as pdf" file; it can be to legitimize RP claims such as doujutsu, etc. For those that have had the doujutsu for a while... well... only thing I can think of is making them rp it again. :/
That or we let them claim ish unless someone specifically doesn't want it against them.
As for sitters: Well, we're going to need them to showcase the fact they can kill people above a certain amount of kills? Jinzo was telling me how, even with Louie, a normal academy student / genin killed him. Jinzo with ~210 Atk/Def was killed by a genin with ~32 Atk/Def. Random ish is random. So, I say, with luck a factor, they gotta kill two or something? That is to say we wanna go along with this method.
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To factor in the showcase of skill, should it be combined with the amount of pk's also.
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Hippies?Wow, Rares, freedom to an extent. You act like I'm asking for anarchy. You oversimplify my words. And kill the message behind my words. You'd make a great politician; Undercut and make yourself look better in your own little world.
I'm not asking you to give free roam to all the god mods or acads that act beyond the ranges that they should be able to achieve. I merely say, quit strangling what freedom people have. This site was meant for teens to come on here and have fun within the Naruto realm. You, stifle that creativity with your occ band slam, b/c something didn't go your way. Yet, allow overpowered moves, incredible durability to stand damage, and almost overt godliness for yourself, but VOID anything else that can/could miniscule your little pride.
Let them have their fun to an extent, don't kill it; Some people have enough problems in this world without you undercutting them. And trust me, I've seen the burden you or others have placed upon them. A lot of good people over the years have left b/c of it. Hell, I'm really beginning to see why Ice left this damn place.
So do me a favor, if your gonna blast this post, blast it elsewhere. Everyone is done seeing it. :D
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Just as a note about pirated KG, for one, if we want to keep it to just doujutsu that is fine. If I have to rp to have my 6 Path Rinnegan then so be it. My logic on how it is now is that it is way to definitive a solution, in a bad way I guess, for something so up in the air. I'm not right or wrong but I cannot use the doujutsu if my opponent doesn't want to fight me with it. If my opponent is not really right or wrong either why does he get to make the call on his whim?
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Your freedom stops when indulging the rights of others comes. That's when laws come in. If you're a sore eyes for a bunch of people then it stops right freaking there. It's common knowledge that people don't like seeing all fiends of sorts on SHINOBI legends. In addition, nor do they like others trying to get away with a bs technique for calling in being more creative and shiz like that. Regardless, this particular topic is long since dead, the majority spites those listed above and few are stubborn enough to keep at it in spite of that.
Raizor, that's what I was saying. Not void such entirely by any means but make it a CLEAR law since some have issues with us being unclear about it, that the opponent may force you to drop the pirated shiz during your bijuu fight.
He gets a call on his whim cause he might have actually worked his butt off for his resets and feels insulted by such actions, it's unfair, similar to cheating, etc.
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Your freedom stops when indulging the rights of others comes. That's when laws come in. If you're a sore eyes for a bunch of people then it stops right freaking there. It's common knowledge that people don't like seeing all fiends of sorts on SHINOBI legends. In addition, nor do they like others trying to get away with a bs technique for calling in being more creative and shiz like that. Regardless, this particular topic is long since dead, the majority spites those listed above and few are stubborn enough to keep at it in spite of that.
Raizor, that's what I was saying. Not void such entirely by any means but make it a CLEAR law since some have issues with us being unclear about it, that the opponent may force you to drop the pirated shiz during your bijuu fight.
He gets a call on his whim cause he might have actually worked his butt off for his resets and feels insulted by such actions, it's unfair, similar to cheating, etc.
So sorry I hurt his feeling by doing something in a more efficient manner, I hadn't realized we had rules set up to coddle the egos of people who did resets. Life isn't fair and it isn't cheating. Did I miss anything? As long as I got the pirated doujutsu from someone with resets and didn't just pluck it off the Rinnegan tree I should be able to use it.
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Your freedom stops when indulging the rights of others comes. That's when laws come in. If you're a sore eyes for a bunch of people then it stops right freaking there. It's common knowledge that people don't like seeing all fiends of sorts on SHINOBI legends. In addition, nor do they like others trying to get away with a bs technique for calling in being more creative and shiz like that. Regardless, this particular topic is long since dead, the majority spites those listed above and few are stubborn enough to keep at it in spite of that.
Raizor, that's what I was saying. Not void such entirely by any means but make it a CLEAR law since some have issues with us being unclear about it, that the opponent may force you to drop the pirated shiz during your bijuu fight.
He gets a call on his whim cause he might have actually worked his butt off for his resets and feels insulted by such actions, it's unfair, similar to cheating, etc.
So sorry I hurt his feeling by doing something in a more efficient manner, I hadn't realized we had rules set up to coddle the egos of people who did resets. Life isn't fair and it isn't cheating. Did I miss anything? As long as I got the pirated doujutsu from someone with resets and didn't just pluck it off the Rinnegan tree I should be able to use it.
So true, Bocc! :D
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I agree with such reasoning. I mean, there might be some people who might not care about the use of a pirated dōjutsu, and some may. I see the point that Rare is getting.
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Your freedom stops when indulging the rights of others comes. That's when laws come in. If you're a sore eyes for a bunch of people then it stops right freaking there. It's common knowledge that people don't like seeing all fiends of sorts on SHINOBI legends. In addition, nor do they like others trying to get away with a bs technique for calling in being more creative and shiz like that. Regardless, this particular topic is long since dead, the majority spites those listed above and few are stubborn enough to keep at it in spite of that.
Raizor, that's what I was saying. Not void such entirely by any means but make it a CLEAR law since some have issues with us being unclear about it, that the opponent may force you to drop the pirated shiz during your bijuu fight.
He gets a call on his whim cause he might have actually worked his butt off for his resets and feels insulted by such actions, it's unfair, similar to cheating, etc.
So sorry I hurt his feeling by doing something in a more efficient manner, I hadn't realized we had rules set up to coddle the egos of people who did resets. Life isn't fair and it isn't cheating. Did I miss anything? As long as I got the pirated doujutsu from someone with resets and didn't just pluck it off the Rinnegan tree I should be able to use it.
And Boc this is why, your opponent may void it, it ain't entirely wrong but ain't nowhere near right. And to reward what you said: Just cause I don't feel like working hard for months or years for it as so many others did, and decided to abuse cheap gaps instead I don't get to use it if my opponent doesn't let me?!
Yes, pretty much, I think most of us here agree on that to.
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Your freedom stops when indulging the rights of others comes. That's when laws come in. If you're a sore eyes for a bunch of people then it stops right freaking there. It's common knowledge that people don't like seeing all fiends of sorts on SHINOBI legends. In addition, nor do they like others trying to get away with a bs technique for calling in being more creative and shiz like that. Regardless, this particular topic is long since dead, the majority spites those listed above and few are stubborn enough to keep at it in spite of that.
Raizor, that's what I was saying. Not void such entirely by any means but make it a CLEAR law since some have issues with us being unclear about it, that the opponent may force you to drop the pirated shiz during your bijuu fight.
He gets a call on his whim cause he might have actually worked his butt off for his resets and feels insulted by such actions, it's unfair, similar to cheating, etc.
So sorry I hurt his feeling by doing something in a more efficient manner, I hadn't realized we had rules set up to coddle the egos of people who did resets. Life isn't fair and it isn't cheating. Did I miss anything? As long as I got the pirated doujutsu from someone with resets and didn't just pluck it off the Rinnegan tree I should be able to use it.
And Boc this is why, your opponent may void it, it ain't entirely wrong but ain't nowhere near right. And to reward what you said: Just cause I don't feel like working hard for months or years for it as so many others did, and decided to abuse cheap gaps instead I don't get to use it if my opponent doesn't let me?!
Yes, pretty much, I think most of us here agree on that to.
:D
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Your freedom stops when indulging the rights of others comes. That's when laws come in. If you're a sore eyes for a bunch of people then it stops right freaking there. It's common knowledge that people don't like seeing all fiends of sorts on SHINOBI legends. In addition, nor do they like others trying to get away with a bs technique for calling in being more creative and shiz like that. Regardless, this particular topic is long since dead, the majority spites those listed above and few are stubborn enough to keep at it in spite of that.
Raizor, that's what I was saying. Not void such entirely by any means but make it a CLEAR law since some have issues with us being unclear about it, that the opponent may force you to drop the pirated shiz during your bijuu fight.
He gets a call on his whim cause he might have actually worked his butt off for his resets and feels insulted by such actions, it's unfair, similar to cheating, etc.
So sorry I hurt his feeling by doing something in a more efficient manner, I hadn't realized we had rules set up to coddle the egos of people who did resets. Life isn't fair and it isn't cheating. Did I miss anything? As long as I got the pirated doujutsu from someone with resets and didn't just pluck it off the Rinnegan tree I should be able to use it.
And Boc this is why, your opponent may void it, it ain't entirely wrong but ain't nowhere near right. And to reward what you said: Just cause I don't feel like working hard for months or years for it as so many others did, and decided to abuse cheap gaps instead I don't get to use it if my opponent doesn't let me?!
Yes, pretty much, I think most of us here agree on that to.
:D
Stop trolling us. <<
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I have yet to hear an actual reason as to why I should not be able to use the pirated doujutsu. The opinion of people who leveled and got the doujutsu is undoubtedly as Rare said. What I am asking is why am I supposed to care? In my mind the only question that needs to be asked to whether or not I can do something is "Is it god mod?" We know my Rinnegan comes from someone with the resets and is not god mod. So why do I care that people don't like that I got it easier then they did? Screw them, is what I am getting at.
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You're right, Bocc. We're about the system and how it needs to be fixed! Damn it all, Bocc! :D
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So, our point is, if you don't care, why should the host care about your challenge?
It's an issue because it's been brought up multiple times.
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So, our point is, if you don't care, why should the host care about your challenge?
It's an issue because it's been brought up multiple times.
The host has to care about my challenge because they are the host, if nothing about my character is god mod then they have to fight me. I am not deluded enough to think anyone wants to fight me, but I didn't want to fight Dizzy or Isa either, you deal with lots of people you don't like when you have a bijuu.
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We gave plenty of reasons, weather you acknowledge them as such or not is up to you, however, I dare say, it's already been decided.
So I ask you cease your protest about it as you are already repeating yourself, continuing this any further only leads to us doing so as well. We've stated our arguments, you've stated yours. End of story, seeing as how Rai, Zen, etc responded to this idea, that was kind of already implemented but not stated in the rules, I'm making no mistake saying it is already decided. The way on SL should be resetting. Just cause sage mode and hachimon is teachable doesn't mean those lacking such resets may be taught.
I'll stop responding to this topic due to hearing your arguments one too many times so far and you hearing mine on a similar amount of accounts. It's kind enough we only implement it on the request of one of the parties.
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We gave plenty of reasons, weather you acknowledge them as such or not is up to you, however, I dare say, it's already been decided.
So I ask you cease your protest about it as you are already repeating yourself, continuing this any further only leads to us doing so as well. We've stated our arguments, you've stated yours. End of story, seeing as how Rai, Zen, etc responded to this idea, that was kind of already implemented but not stated in the rules, I'm making no mistake saying it is already decided. The way on SL should be resetting. Just cause sage mode and hachimon is teachable doesn't mean those lacking such resets may be taught.
I'll stop responding to this topic due to hearing your arguments one too many times so far and you hearing mine on a similar amount of accounts. It's kind enough we only implement it on the request of one of the parties.
Which is what I have yet to hear an answer to, you keep saying "No one is right or wrong" but then quickly add that I am apparently wrong. Until a decision is made that yes, my Rinnegan is god mod, then I can use it in a bijuu fight. If not then I request a list of all of Nathan's techniques so I can approve the ones I like and don't like.
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Or Rares' moves at that. It's all about taste in this game and those that have the biggest head wins! :D
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We are choosing to be tolerant with such to the extent that you can use it as long as your opponent does not say otherwise. Kgs and resets were always a touchy subject. If it came down to either allow it at all times or void it at all times, you'd be at a greater loss than you are now. Not to mention that you are horribly biased on the matter and don't even bother to consider the other side.
And about your "life isn't fair" we're here to make things as fair as they can be. ^^
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We are choosing to be tolerant with such to the extent that you can use it as long as your opponent does not say otherwise. Kgs and resets were always a touchy subject. If it came down to either allow it at all times or void it at all times, you'd be at a greater loss than you are now. Not to mention that you are horribly biased on the matter and don't even bother to consider the other side.
You are choosing to allow my opponent to decide if I get my strongest abilities at the only time I will certainly need them. Thank you for such generosity. I am hurting no one by doing this, anyone else can go and pirate a KG they got from someone else, if you choose not to that is your loss.
Well then you need to to take a much closer look at the people in your own village because you could take away all the KG from the people in Genesis and every one of them is still more overpowered then me.
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Well if RL was SL, we'd probably void the money of those winning the lottery. xD
Get over it.
You want those ability so desperately in a bijuu fight in which your opponent may void them, the reset for them like everyone else. Period.
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Unless he's drunk and his left toe is pointing to Zen.
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xD
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Well if RL was SL, we'd probably void the money of those winning the lottery. xD
Get over it.
You want those ability so desperately in a bijuu fight in which your opponent may void them, the reset for them like everyone else. Period.
In this case such a decision is clearly biased toward the people with the KG in the forest. How is the fact that they get to decide what I get to use not an obvious boon in their favor? There is no gray zone here, you're saying I am the one who is wrong.
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The rich get richer as the poor get poorer whilst the middle gets the shaft. Bocc, you merely need to ask them. They don't like it, they're scared of your manliness and as such cower in the corner b/c of your godly ways. Now please, wink, you always win in the movies when you do so. ;D
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Well then feel free to go "Oh noes, I am persecuted because (insert random stuff)". I'm not being biased, I couldn't care less about the matter actually, it's simply how I know the vast majority feels.
The point is, not everything that is not modish by basic rp rules is considered such SL wise. Is it possbile for one with Kaguya and Rinnegan resets to learn sage mode and hachimon? Likely. Would anyone tolerate it? Probably not.
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Well then feel free to go "Oh noes, I am persecuted because (insert random stuff)". I'm not being biased, I couldn't care less about the matter actually, it's simply how I know the vast majority feels.
The point is, not everything that is not modish by basic rp rules is considered such SL wise. Is it possbile for one with Kaguya and Rinnegan resets to learn sage mode and hachimon? Likely. Would anyone tolerate it? Probably not.
Then someone needs to change the bijuu rules to say that the jinchuriki does not have to accept pirated kg. I'm still taking just the one reset in each category. No one is claiming two body or two sage arts. Again, it doesn't matter what the vast majority feels as we follow a set of rules for the bijuu fights. I don't see anything in them that makes my Rinnegan god mod.
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It will be there soon enough. :P
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It will be there soon enough. :P
Then do it :P if such an obviously biased rule gets accepted then I'll just get all my resets and then capture the bijuu.
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Either variant would be biased, I suppose.
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Either variant would be biased, I suppose.
Considering the option to pirate KG would be open to everyone that seems like the opposite of a biased rule, but what do I know?
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Yep, both biased, both fair. But we'll be deciding on one, which I think we already did.
It's not like the option to reset is not open to everyone either. Though you should at least be fully able to understand why many are against "pirates". It's simply cheap. :P
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Yep, both biased, both fair. But we'll be deciding on one, which I think we already did.
It's not like the option to reset is not open to everyone either. Though you should at least be fully able to understand why many are against "pirates". It's simply cheap. :P
One way blocks pirating, the other allows both, it seems like only one of those options are unbiased but for the life of me I can't figure out which one.
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Well there's obviously no point in arguing any further.
My issue with it is simply that it leave a gap for some to get something in an instant that others worked for hard for years.
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Well there's obviously no point in arguing any further.
My issue with it is simply that it leave a gap for some to get something in an instant that others worked for hard for years.
That was your 666nd post. Again, that is wonderful, you do not have to like it. That does not seem, to me, to be a reason to ban it.
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I've elaborated the reasons to "ban" it thus far. You're not obliged to fight jinchuriki either just like they are not obliged to acknowledge kg you didn't "earn".
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I've elaborated the reasons to "ban" it thus far. You're not obliged to fight jinchuriki either just like they are not obliged to acknowledge kg you didn't "earn".
I certainly did earn it, I got it from someone with the resets and that is all that matters, but now we really are going in circles. If a rule is going to be added to pander to the feelings of people with resets, then so be it. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me.
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To everyone: The Saiken (6-tails) has been officially extracted from Mangetsu's body and is now under the possession (sealed) of Uchiha "Shuren" Sobojo [me]. My Eternal Mangekyou Sharingans, achieved only through the extraction of my brother's eyes, the original Uchiha, Joker, which was rp'd on January '08, is currently the only tool I used to imprison the bijuu in a 6-seal cage of my creation.
As for future challenges, I'll be rp-able starting Saturday. I'm also willing to trade this bijuu for another. And yes... I'm Pete.
@Zenaku: Nibi for Saiken? I'm willing.
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Well, we'll just agree to disagree for the time being. Our understanding of "earning" is rather different. If the rinnegan is what makes you strong then I feel for you.
Woots for Pete. :D
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To everyone: The Saiken (6-tails) has been officially extracted from Mangetsu's body and is now under the possession (sealed) of Uchiha "Shuren" Sobojo [me]. My Eternal Mangekyou Sharingans, achieved only through the extraction of my brother's eyes, the original Uchiha, Joker, which was rp'd on January '08, is currently the only tool I used to imprison the bijuu in a 6-seal cage of my creation.
As for future challenges, I'll be rp-able starting Saturday. I'm also willing to trade this bijuu for another. And yes... I'm Pete.
@Zenaku: Nibi for Saiken? I'm willing.
So is Mangetsu dead?
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Not obliged to be but it depends on them.
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Not obliged to be but it depends on them.
I don't know what we decided, if I remember you need to be immortal in some way, or have super high vitality by being a Senju or I think have Rinnegan.
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Well yeah, I've brought that up but I don't recall it being decided on. Since people may still have bijuu fights in an ooc manner, to my knowledge at least.
Lolol. Rai should be dead. xP
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Well yeah, I've brought that up but I don't recall it being decided on. Since people may still have bijuu fights in an ooc manner, to my knowledge at least.
Lolol. Rai should be dead. xP
A lot of people should be dead, that was what I didn't remember though, I thought we did decide something.
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Well, I guess that's another thing we should be specific about in the rules.
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Well, I guess that's another thing we should be specific about in the rules.
I believe it was that unless you were immortal or had Senju or Rinnegan you needed medical nin standing by to save you. I would say you need another player that is not your alt to be there otherwise anyone could make an alt or have NPC medical nin.
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Decide quick! Also, can we drink in a fight? :D
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Decide quick! Also, can we drink in a fight? :D
Only on Wednesday.
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It's always is when Asadi is around! :D
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Officially, no -- but all ninpou-related information from Mangetsu has been transfered to me, which makes sense since its my alt. Also note that Mangetsu wasn't an official jinchuuriki, he having not harboring the beast within his own vessel and all. He was just a possessor and nothing more.
As for Edo Tensei: I made rules that non-Senju shinobis didn't have sufficient chakra to use the ninpou, for it required a huge charka pool to summon one reanimated shinobi. Jinchuurikis, of course, are an exception to the rule. To limit the powers of Edo Tensei, any chakra-based ninpou used by the reanimated shinobi, will be subtracted from the user's chakra pool. Such rules were made in Edo Tensei, the organization.
MI: The manga has yet to show a non-senju shinobi using Edo Tensei. The rules are fair.
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Officially, no -- but all ninpou-related information from Mangetsu has been transfered to me, which makes sense since its my alt. Also note that Mangetsu wasn't an official jinchuuriki, he having not harboring the beast within his own vessel and all. He was just a possessor and nothing more.
As for Edo Tensei: I made rules that non-Senju shinobis didn't have sufficient chakra to use the ninpou, for it required a huge charka pool to summon one reanimated shinobi. Jinchuurikis, of course, are an exception to the rule. To limit the powers of Edo Tensei, any chakra-based ninpou used by the reanimated shinobi, will be subtracted from the user's chakra pool. Such rules were made in Edo Tensei, the organization.
MI: The manga has yet to show a non-senju shinobi using Edo Tensei. The rules are fair.
You never mentioned that part to me, about draining my chakra for them to do jutsu. How does Kabuto have Senju cells though? So far I need to get another living player to sacrifice, they need to have at least one reset in the areas of the person I am reviving and now they drain my chakra too. You're taking away pretty much every advantage of the jutsu. The immortality isn't even that big a deal as anyone good is going to have fuinjutsu.
Does a double take, how was Mangetsu able to do Edo Tensei then? he isn't a Senju and you just said he never hosted the beast.
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I know this is a race for the national cup. I also know you bought and fine-tuned your car for maximum performance. But, my go-cart only hits 26 mph as opposed to your formula-one's 300. Can you please lend me a car?
Sounds silly, don't it? Pretty much how demanding to use an rp-claim is to fight a host. Especially if that host worked for the resets you claim
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I know this is a race for the national cup. I also know you bought and fine-tuned your car for maximum performance. But, my go-cart only hits 26 mph as opposed to your formula-one's 300. Can you please lend me a car?
Sounds silly, don't it? Pretty much how demanding to use an rp-claim is to fight a host. Especially if that host worked for the resets you claim
Again, you make it sound like I am doing something wrong.
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Officially, no -- but all ninpou-related information from Mangetsu has been transfered to me, which makes sense since its my alt. Also note that Mangetsu wasn't an official jinchuuriki, he having not harboring the beast within his own vessel and all. He was just a possessor and nothing more.
As for Edo Tensei: I made rules that non-Senju shinobis didn't have sufficient chakra to use the ninpou, for it required a huge charka pool to summon one reanimated shinobi. Jinchuurikis, of course, are an exception to the rule. To limit the powers of Edo Tensei, any chakra-based ninpou used by the reanimated shinobi, will be subtracted from the user's chakra pool. Such rules were made in Edo Tensei, the organization.
MI: The manga has yet to show a non-senju shinobi using Edo Tensei. The rules are fair.
You never mentioned that part to me, about draining my chakra for them to do jutsu. How does Kabuto have Senju cells though? So far I need to get another living player to sacrifice, they need to have at least one reset in the areas of the person I am reviving and now they drain my chakra too. You're taking away pretty much every advantage of the jutsu. The immortality isn't even that big a deal as anyone good is going to have fuinjutsu.
The advantage are the following:
- Depending on your reanimation collection, you have a variety of ninpou to choose from
- Immortal weapons
That's it. Edo Tensei, just like Itachi's sealing sword, is too overpowered to be used on SL, hence the reason why the ninpou was debuffed.
MF: I thought I told you about that section of the rules... Oh well, I recall you being a Konohagakure shinobi, and that's why I allowed you to use Edo Tensei. Your situation doesn't change much.
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Officially, no -- but all ninpou-related information from Mangetsu has been transfered to me, which makes sense since its my alt. Also note that Mangetsu wasn't an official jinchuuriki, he having not harboring the beast within his own vessel and all. He was just a possessor and nothing more.
As for Edo Tensei: I made rules that non-Senju shinobis didn't have sufficient chakra to use the ninpou, for it required a huge charka pool to summon one reanimated shinobi. Jinchuurikis, of course, are an exception to the rule. To limit the powers of Edo Tensei, any chakra-based ninpou used by the reanimated shinobi, will be subtracted from the user's chakra pool. Such rules were made in Edo Tensei, the organization.
MI: The manga has yet to show a non-senju shinobi using Edo Tensei. The rules are fair.
You never mentioned that part to me, about draining my chakra for them to do jutsu. How does Kabuto have Senju cells though? So far I need to get another living player to sacrifice, they need to have at least one reset in the areas of the person I am reviving and now they drain my chakra too. You're taking away pretty much every advantage of the jutsu. The immortality isn't even that big a deal as anyone good is going to have fuinjutsu.
The advantage are the following:
- Depending on your reanimation collection, you have a variety of ninpou to choose from
- Immortal weapons
That's it. Edo Tensei, just like Itachi's sealing sword, is too overpowered to be used on SL, hence the reason why the ninpou was debuffed.
MF: I thought I told you about that section of the rules... Oh well, I recall you being a Konogakure shinobi, and that's why I allowed you to use Edo Tensei. Your situation doesn't change much.
I'd probably be better off just applying Earth Grudge Fear to myself. Anyway, still curious how mangetsu was able to do it.
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I know this is a race for the national cup. I also know you bought and fine-tuned your car for maximum performance. But, my go-cart only hits 26 mph as opposed to your formula-one's 300. Can you please lend me a car?
Sounds silly, don't it? Pretty much how demanding to use an rp-claim is to fight a host. Especially if that host worked for the resets you claim
Again, you make it sound like I am doing something wrong.
Am I? Or am I just saying that you don't have much a say because you have the same opportunity as everyone else?
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Officially, no -- but all ninpou-related information from Mangetsu has been transfered to me, which makes sense since its my alt. Also note that Mangetsu wasn't an official jinchuuriki, he having not harboring the beast within his own vessel and all. He was just a possessor and nothing more.
As for Edo Tensei: I made rules that non-Senju shinobis didn't have sufficient chakra to use the ninpou, for it required a huge charka pool to summon one reanimated shinobi. Jinchuurikis, of course, are an exception to the rule. To limit the powers of Edo Tensei, any chakra-based ninpou used by the reanimated shinobi, will be subtracted from the user's chakra pool. Such rules were made in Edo Tensei, the organization.
MI: The manga has yet to show a non-senju shinobi using Edo Tensei. The rules are fair.
You never mentioned that part to me, about draining my chakra for them to do jutsu. How does Kabuto have Senju cells though? So far I need to get another living player to sacrifice, they need to have at least one reset in the areas of the person I am reviving and now they drain my chakra too. You're taking away pretty much every advantage of the jutsu. The immortality isn't even that big a deal as anyone good is going to have fuinjutsu.
The advantage are the following:
- Depending on your reanimation collection, you have a variety of ninpou to choose from
- Immortal weapons
That's it. Edo Tensei, just like Itachi's sealing sword, is too overpowered to be used on SL, hence the reason why the ninpou was debuffed.
MF: I thought I told you about that section of the rules... Oh well, I recall you being a Konogakure shinobi, and that's why I allowed you to use Edo Tensei. Your situation doesn't change much.
I'd probably be better off just applying Earth Grudge Fear to myself. Anyway, still curious how mangetsu was able to do it.
Mangetsu's part Seju and Gekidoku. I know, I know. You're not the first one to question it; that's why I chose to officially reborn him as a Hyuuga for the public. Him having captured the Saiken helped, too.
Anyway, was the council idea dropped? I'm too lazy to read all 13 pages.
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Praises Rai for being the best prick handler. >>
Also, the leveling down of the edo tensei seems great bro. :o To my knowledge, Uchiha also have powerful chakras though. Well, if Edo tensei is plaid as Pete stated the rules for, I see no issue with not excluding it for bijuu battles.
I don't think the idea was dropped, Kayenta just seemed to have issues with it.
So what's our priority order? Establish what rules are added/better defined and make the council or the other way around?
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If this council idea is too pass -- or at least resume -- then we must ask what are the credentials to become a council. Has that been established yet?
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Rules > council.
Why? So we establish rules with the general public and have council uphold them. Similarly, it can be the other way around. But I like the idea of more minds on one subject.
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But I like the idea of more minds on one subject.
Same here; that's why I suggested it. Any ideas?
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Good renown for rp competence in regards to both zonning, moderating, etc. The first is good enough for me though.
The general idea is to have competent people and not ones that would put the council to shame.
But as Rai suggested, rules first:
To be added/specified:
Neither the host nor the challenger is obliged to acknowledge kg that have not been reset for.
Exceptions from this rule are sitters with a pvp range of 60dk above theirs, they have the right to one kg as long as not exaggerated i.e. on a par with a maxed doujutsu, etc.
How does that sound?
Also:
Unless agreed upon otherwise by both parties, bijuu battles are ic, i.e. death and what not resulting from it will be present in the future of your character.
No fleeing!
Jinchuriki that try to flee will lose their bijuu, challengers that do so will no longer be accepted by that Jinchuriki, any other such has the right to deny the same challenger on that basis.
In regards to the kg rule, I'd like to ask if we allow those with an elemental reset claim an extra kg like Mokuton and Yoton.
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I know this is a race for the national cup. I also know you bought and fine-tuned your car for maximum performance. But, my go-cart only hits 26 mph as opposed to your formula-one's 300. Can you please lend me a car?
Sounds silly, don't it? Pretty much how demanding to use an rp-claim is to fight a host. Especially if that host worked for the resets you claim
Again, you make it sound like I am doing something wrong.
Am I? Or am I just saying that you don't have much a say because you have the same opportunity as everyone else?
I have yet to hear a single solitary reason as to why my Rinnegan can be disputed. I could have reset but why would I bother? If you are going to make a blatantly biased rule for no reason other then the fact that people don't like pirated kg, but at the same time can admit there is nothing wrong with them, then do it.
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I know this is a race for the national cup. I also know you bought and fine-tuned your car for maximum performance. But, my go-cart only hits 26 mph as opposed to your formula-one's 300. Can you please lend me a car?
Sounds silly, don't it? Pretty much how demanding to use an rp-claim is to fight a host. Especially if that host worked for the resets you claim
Again, you make it sound like I am doing something wrong.
Am I? Or am I just saying that you don't have much a say because you have the same opportunity as everyone else?
I have yet to hear a single solitary reason as to why my Rinnegan can be disputed. I could have reset but why would I bother? If you are going to make a blatantly biased rule for no reason other then the fact that people don't like pirated kg, but at the same time can admit there is nothing wrong with them, then do it.
There is literally no need for you to tell us to do so. :)
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I know this is a race for the national cup. I also know you bought and fine-tuned your car for maximum performance. But, my go-cart only hits 26 mph as opposed to your formula-one's 300. Can you please lend me a car?
Sounds silly, don't it? Pretty much how demanding to use an rp-claim is to fight a host. Especially if that host worked for the resets you claim
Again, you make it sound like I am doing something wrong.
Am I? Or am I just saying that you don't have much a say because you have the same opportunity as everyone else?
I have yet to hear a single solitary reason as to why my Rinnegan can be disputed. I could have reset but why would I bother? If you are going to make a blatantly biased rule for no reason other then the fact that people don't like pirated kg, but at the same time can admit there is nothing wrong with them, then do it.
There is literally no need for you to tell us to do so. :)
Then I honestly think anyone who would agree to such a thing is an idiot.
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Then the entire council will probably be made of idiots in your view. :)
Don't like bijuu rules? Don't go for bijuu. ;D
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If you are going to make a blatantly biased rule for no reason other then the fact that people don't like pirated kg, but at the same time can admit there is nothing wrong with them, then do it.
Prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
Don't rule in favor as bias being your premises. Otherwise, your premises is rendered null as you appeal to your own argument in favor of yourself.
Fallacies: A) Appeal to Value. B) Cherry-picking. C) Hasty Generalization.
A: You're appealing to your own beliefs above all else, regardless of the majority being against you.
B: You're poking only at "bias" and nothing else. It's your only argument which you contradict yourself with.
C: You assume it's bias under the belief that we're doing it because we don't like it rather than "you could have done it, but you chose not to."
Need I go on as a lawyer/philosopher to show you the "needless to say"?
Then I honestly think anyone who would agree to such a thing is an idiot.
Fallacies: A) Poisoning the Well. B) Appeal to ignorance.
A: Attacking the person rather than the argument.
B: Situating yourself in the limbo where, unless people agree with you, everyone is wrong simply because.
And, we have been saying what's wrong with pirated kg. Have we not? I refer you back to my racing analogy. You had the same chance of getting and fixing up a car to race and compete with. Instead, you decided to underhand your way into the competition and are stuck with a go-cart. Instead of having worked for the things the other contenders have, you decided to wait until the last minute and ask for a car on par with theirs. After all, you got in the race -- why should you have to use a car that's yours when they should let you borrow one of theirs to be fair?
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Neither the host nor the challenger is obliged to acknowledge kg that have not been reset for.
What of users with custom KG? Originality can't die.
Exceptions from this rule are sitters with a pvp range of 60dk above theirs, they have the right to one kg as long as not exaggerated i.e. on a par with a maxed doujutsu, etc.
Being a sitter for a short time, I tell you, it's not easy buffing nor defeating Sannin+ accounts. During pvp fights, most of the time, the one with more speed ends up winner; sitters lack speed. Instead, I suggest sitters are only able to claim a KG, one that's not DK-accessible, when they reach 240 PVP wins, which is possible to achieve after 3+ months.
80*3=240
- 80 = reset requirement
- 3 = pvp per gameday
- 240 = result of multiplying 80 and 3
Well, that's just some numbers that I thought to be fair.
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One just needs to back it up with a similar reset. As many did to legitimize their kg to the extent that they please everybody.
I've actually beat a sannin at chuunin w/o being a sitter. <<;
My issue with it being pvp based is that one doesn't need to be a sitter to have a lot of those. So should we allow in random grandmaster hokages in to? :/
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Well, we've gone over one of the main topics of this thread, the inactive Bijū.⭕
Next thing that we went over, for a few pages, was the Council. ❌
Last thing is the rules which have yet to have been clarified for others to follow. I agree, without rules, how will the council know what to delegate if it hasn't been sure what and what isn't allowed. ❌
List of rules that have been agreed on, should be listed.
List of rules that are bothering most should be listed. This way we can finish up.
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I think someone is mad at me. >.>
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Frankly, I always allowed non-reborn-80+dk accounts to use custom KG's via rp. As long as it's a KG that's not DK-accessible, I'm fine allowing them to use their KG.
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I did state that it is only if one of the parties deems the non reset kg as unacceptable.
The rule we pretty much all agreed on is the pirated kg one. Unless agreed otherwise prior to the battle or something like that, it shan't be used.
The custom kg rule also seemed fine with high level sitters as exception.
But Pete does have somewhat of a point. I guess we should allow those with 80dk+ also as long as they are reasonable.
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Pirated kg's, especially dk-accessible ones, should be considered god-modding if the possessor doesn't have the appropriate reborn status. End of story.
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Then that one is decided.
As for the custom kg. Dk wise, I'd rather go fr at least an 100+ and pvp wise, I'll ask Pete or any other sitter knowledgeable person to state what would be the equivalent of 100dk in pvp extent in means of effort, time consumption, etc. I am somewhat against it being pvp wins cause that can simply mean they suck at both leveling and being a sitter.
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Well Rare, how will you inform Bull to let go of his Sharingan? >_>
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By pm?
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It was rhetorical. xD
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Well Bocc, if you really wanted to use the rinnegan, you could always storm into Konoha and try to take it! As technically it's not a biju match xD
Though, question to Pete. Where are these edo tensei rules located? As I'm still your edo tensei and I would like to see the rules.
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Where are these edo tensei rules located?
I saved it on my computer before Edo Tensei, the organization, was deleted. I'll post it somewhere appropriate when I find such a place.
If that Photoshop-user Quest is still aiming to revive SLS, then I'll post it there.
MI: If I recall correctly, I blessed you with free will. You're fine.
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So I understand that the rules only apply to using Edo tensei in battle?
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Thanks, also this might be a rule not yet implemented that I have so I figured I would should it as it limits edo tensei
Edo tensei zombies cannot, implement kg into their body. Reasoning? simple, you try to cut something or do anything, well its just going to regenerate.
Also I've seen when Bocc had his own zombie hoard, that these zombies seem to things they had unlimited chakra, and stamina. This might be true in the Manga, but should not follow here.
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I've touched on that matter already. Check a few pages back.
As for limiting Edo Tensei even more... Alright. I concur.
No more resurrecting already-dead, active SL users. As Rares said, from now on, it's a battle-only ninpou. Trev, just claim your life. Bocchiere's methods of rping are ludicrous anyway.
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I've touched on that matter already. Check a few pages back.
As for limiting Edo Tensei even more... Alright. I concur.
No more resurrecting already-dead, active SL users. As Rares said, from now on, it's a battle-only ninpou. Trev, just claim your life. Bocchiere's methods of rping are ludicrous anyway.
Alright, just wanted to get some points across and glad to see you agree. As to the others, I humbly apologize for getting off topic and talking about Edo tensei. Though with how this topic has been going, I doubt anyone would care xD
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So what of the pvp range?
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What if we follow the already set KG reset method?
80 pk's grant initiate level dōjutsu. 160, 240, 320. A sitter should have to deal with the high standards since of course, they aren't doing it the correct way.
Merely a sugestion.
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Ehh...this council is starting to lose interest to me now.
I thought this entire topic was about re-establishing the rules once again, setting the council in stone then the Jinchuuriki selections but now it seems to be quite off-topic with opposing pirated-doujutsu when the matter is before even Kekkei Genkai was implemented in the game we were in fact using pirated doujutsu in the old days.
I have no problem with pirated doujustu that have been gained through legitimate means since most chakra affinitys can be used to create a kekkei tota.
In the manga, Edo Tensei was originally created by the Nidaime Hokage but Orochimaru complete the jutsu by his own methods and he didn't have any Senju blood like some are saying.
Bloodlines have nothing to do with the jutsu except the knowledge pertaining it and having the necessary costs to prepare the kinjutsu.
Now as for this council are you for Shinobi Legend's own growth or SLS's because I have this itch in my brain...and it's kinda bothering me. :-?
Edit: And now this Sitter restriction...I mean c'mon, you can't kill an idea kids.
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Edo tensei is the owner of the jutsu leveling it down by his own will due to deeming it as op which I say is a great initiative.
Pirated doujutsu was fine BEFORE the resets were in place. Before that, people w/o resets claiming kg were fine to, cause there were no resets.
As far as killing an idea goes, if it meant what I thought it meant, it's only fair that if a hyouton user can't rp his hyouton w/o resetting for it nor can he get strong in it w/o resetting for it multiple times, others with other similar kg that are not official resets should apply the same amount of effort.
As for this council: It is not meant to regulate rp globally, just to establish bijuu battle rules.
@Chika, they still won't be allowed the official ones, i.e. gotten by actual reset.
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That matter is still under question since we have no definite evidence that Orochimaru and Kabuto aren't Senjus. Until such evidence is seen via manga, Edo Tensei, being too powerful, will be crippled. That's it.
Now, back to the main topic. I concur with Kamui. We should stick to the subject and refrain from getting sidetrack.
Now that we've lost Moenkopi -- who I thought to be a good council based on her judgement, activeness, and rp-abilities (that's just my opinion) -- I think we should discuss the limit of councils. In total, I think there should be 15 councils -- the 5 official kages from the great nations, and 10 others from anywhere.
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I vote the drunk!
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I'm guessing you mean the 5 acting ones right? I would personally object to such, 1, 2 of the five, six are pretty bad, in the retrospect not of being horrible but just by far not being there. For example, Hidesamu's rp and style is renown in a non bashful manner, just last week I got complaints about him from two different people. While, Trev, even though I don't know his level and what not, is probably not quite there yet. As I've said, I wouldn't want people that aren't already acknowledged as really good and with great insight on rp. One of the complaints from last week was Hidesamu voiding a custom mangekyou technique on the basis: If it ain't in the series it don't exist.
Alas, weather we include all acting kage or not, here is a list of who I think should be in, that is not such:
Raifudo
Pete
Chika(he brought a pretty decent contribution thus far)
Jinzo
Nathan
Myself
Tommi
Well, for the custom kg and stuff, we aren't trying to stop it or anything, just trying to establish at what point a parties complaint towards such due to the non reset argument would be voided. It's reasonable for one to not want an academy that never went to the forest have kg but unreasonable when it comes to great sitters, grand kages, etc.
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I agree with those on the list Rare suggested, also I know he might've left Zenaku off by mistake. For one, these are all active members who hold a high understanding of the roleplay which has been commencing for some years now. Cmage, was he left off the list by mistake, or was because currently he isn't as active as those that was listed?
I understand those the situation with the pirated KG's, i'm fine with that.
So far I believe there is a list of 8 people suggested for the council. Anymore good electives that match those listed?
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I did note, that I excluded acting kage until we decide weather we include all of them or not. Both Cmage and Zenaku are such to my knowledge.
What I did leave out of the pretty much decided rules was the tail system development:
one tail base: 20 days
Deductions: days in which training for such was rp'd count as two.
Each reset in sharingan, rinnegan, mokuton take out a day out of that base.
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Excuse me for pointing out the obvious, but if pirated KG are not allowed, then by definition you have banned the EMS.
Now, the true reason why Bocc's pirated KG is faulty is not because he ripped off a player in an RP battle. No. He went to the Rinnegan cherry picking tree and pulled them out of an account that is not an RP character. In effect, Ziokou is no better than an NPC because he does not RP. Nor does he even earn his resets because he paid people to level his account. Payment for that leveling was his eyes to Bocc. And before him to Zenaku, I forget what he was to be paid. DP?
Anyway, Basically all I see is that people do not like Bocc so they are trying to find ways to deny him something and then claim not to be hypocrites while doing so. You missed what was objectionable about his pirating while upholding your own.
Will this bijuu council be made up of idiots?
I think you all speak loudly for yourselves on that count.
Additionally, you have not asked the council a thing. What you are doing is usurping the power of a standing body that has existed long before you. And now Kage's are no good to sit the council? Pat yourselves on the back, hand out the powers to each other, and be prepared to be ignored and shunned for your corruption.
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Excuse me for pointing out the obvious, but if pirated KG are not allowed, then by definition you have banned the EMG.
Now, the true reason why Bocc's pirated KG is faulty is not because he ripped off a player in an RP battle. No. He went to the Rinnegan cherry picking tree and pulled them out of an account that is not an RP character. In effect, Ziokou is no better than an NPC because he does not RP. Nor does he even earn his resets because he paid people to level his account. Payment for that leveling was his eyes to Bocc. And before him to Zenaku, I forget what he was to be paid. DP?
Anyway, Basically all I see is that people do not like Bocc so they are trying to find ways to deny him something and then claim not to be hypocrites while doing so. You missed what was objectionable about his pirating while upholding your own.
Will this bijuu council be made up of idiots?
I think you all speak loudly for yourselves on that count.
It's not emg but ems. As for that issue, they are not allowed in the sense of a gap for those that lack the resets for such. To my knowledge, you yourself are against Boc's 6 paths rinnegan.
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I did note, that I excluded acting kage until we decide weather we include all of them or not. Both Cmage and Zenaku are such to my knowledge.
What I did leave out of the pretty much decided rules was the tail system development:
one tail base: 20 days
Deductions: days in which training for such was rp'd count as two.
Each reset in sharingan, rinnegan, mokuton take out a day out of that base.
This will do fine.
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I added Tomi to my list due to the fact that in spite of his doings and claims being highly questioned at times, his insight on rp and errors is usually a respectably good one. At least when it's not about himself. But he is bettering in that area also.
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My niece was just born, but i'll be back.
Yes I know Tommi's input is okay, but from his past...should he really be included?
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Ever quick to jump down someone's throat Fifty. I was busy editing my post while you were pointing out my flaws. You are very good at this. Perhaps you should turn that penetrating gaze upon yourself.
Do not think that I am my sister to go run and cry because her friends have stuck it to her again. I come here with no friends save one. So say what you will. I shall not cringe from what you are.
This collection of the best that SL has to offer is a far cry from what is right and what is true. You are merely the measure of how far this wonderful site has fallen if we are to hold this gathering of fools up as something to judge and create our laws for us.
In the span of how long have you decided to tear things down and replace them with others? Too short a span for some people to even realize that this coup de tat has taken place.
Unlike some people, I can have an opinion against someone and still see how they are being wronged and stand up for their rights when no one else will. I don' t like Bocc. I am disappointed that Mangetsu didn't kill him and do to him what Bocc said he would do to Mangetsu. I do not like his KG. But you argue it falsely and for self interests, not because it is the right thing to do. And I point it out as being in error without bias just because it is Bocc I defend rather than my best friend.
The resets are not enough for the EMS. You still have to pirate the eyes. And that is canon. No doubt you will argue against that so you can try and make it seem like you are justified in claiming a pirated KG while Bocc is not. But since it seems to be the fad around here to make extravagant comparisons that have no actuality upon the subject that they are called upon to parallel I too shall be pointless and say.
You can call a rose by any other name and it would still smell as sweet.
In this case? That cow pie you stepped in has got its stink upon you and garbage is garbage no matter what name change you put upon it.
Tell me, are you going to ask the acting Kages if it is ok that you kick them off the bijuu council? Are you going to ask the past and present Jinchuuriki if it is ok if you kick them out too?
You are worse than pirates. At least a pirate knows he breaks the law and lives outside society. But you do this and try to cloak yourselves in righteousness.
I see you. I see you all.
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I'm not going: Here is the council list! Deal with it!
I'm just bringing up name that may or may not be included. You do make a point, and some may others about other names as well as other candidates being proposed.
Yeah, I'm just gonna ignore he vengeful rage and lamenting. Don't really feel like providing reasons and arguments over and over again to why we are changing something that was wrong to begin with.
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*raises his hand, then calls on himself*
My turn.
I actually found this topic to be interesting. I found it to be healthy. Having feuds and whatnot from a different perspective does help the site, though not when that invisible line is crossed.
Unfortunately, both sides are digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole. Both sides are simply engaging in useless bantering. Both sides are taking issues extremely **personal**. Both sides are acting immature. Both sides are good at throwing insults. Both sides are....
You get the point.
Under KamuiKachi's discretion, these topics will begin to be locked.
He has thus far acted very nicely and justly.
Take personal issues and insults outside of this topic because thus far it has only created drama and problems that should not occur.
All of you, both sides, are pointing out damn good facts. Why not keep it that way? There is something to look forward from this topic, please do not lose sight.
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My name came up in a earlier post from Rare so I thought I would post my opinion.....
DO NOT put me on the council. Why? I simply don't deserve it. I'm only a Kage cause no one was left in Oto to carry on the torch and I volunteered, though it does seem to be making a recovery. Plus I don't really see myself as skill (in battle anyway), but thats my personal opinion. I tend to be fair and do get asked often for advice, but its not major, usually just the location of things and who has what. Finally, I've only been rp'ing for a little over a year and though I have made tremendous progress, I still lack experience. So, once again don't put me on and thank you for at least throwing my name out there. That in itself is an honor
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I warned you guys and I won't warn you anymore.
You continue to fight over something so insignificant like children.
This topic will be locked until further notice and you may contribute to the other topic that everyone blatantly ignored.
~Kamui
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As a continuation from here (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6970.0.html), I've taken it upon myself to list off the highlights from the prior thread and what changes we are looking to make. Because of Kayenta's leave (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6970.msg204195.html#msg204195), her thread (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6929.0.html) is no longer subject to editing at our will to keep up-to-date with our progress.
Although open to discussion, I strongly plea we keep any sort of bashing, etc. to ourselves or, even, to PM's -- but away from this thread. I urge you to take upon yourself a lax tone, respectful attitude, and a positive-reinforcement mindset. Any initiation of negative attitudes, etc., etc. will be reported for removal.
To begin, I will list the current rules as well as what we aim to change or add.
ºHow to Challenge a Jinchūrikiº
In order to challenge a Jinchūriki & obtain a Bijū, one must extend an invitation to its host along with proper arrangements for it to take place; should the Jinchūriki refuse the set date/time: negotiate for a more appropriate time. Should the Jinchūriki ignore or refuse the invitation(s)-with no reason given- 3 times consecutively, you may report it to other Jinchūriki. Subject for such an event's invitation, for proof & reference of a challenge, must be titled: (Number of tails) - (Name of Jinchūriki); the body of the message may be as you please (though manners & politeness would of course make things much smoother).
ºShould the Bijū be Host-lessº
Should the Bijū be sealed within something not a Jinchūriki, whomsoever is in possession of the tailed beast (for a prolonged period of one week or more) is entitled to assume duties of fighting for possession of the Bijū. As such: Bijū are not to be set free to roam; they must be sealed and delivered to the village of their last Jinchūriki.
ºHow to declare a winnerº
The battle commences with the initial post & terminates once either combatant is unable to continue. Such a feat can result in several ways, including knock-outs (concussions, etc.), full paralysis, almost-fatal wounds & so forth. So long both parties declare it plausible & understand the longevity/risk of the claim, it's considered eligible for use. However, things can, of course, become debatable in attempt to reach such a goal & in doing so arguments are bound to commence. If need be, either party can have onlookers & such /dis/agree with the action until a verdict is reached. If desired, either party can have other hosts or officials of sorts represent them for a more "legitimized" (as some have called it) reasoning or "Back-up".
ºRulesº
Like any other zone fight, rules are established as support for completing the quarrel without need for troubles to arise. Those basic rules are also adopted into host-challenges. The rules are as follows [unless agreed upon both parties (with proof) to be something otherwise]:
‾No Auto-Hitting.
Auto-Hitting is recognized as being a direct action following through without consent of the opposing party.
‾No God-Modding.
God-Modding has been recognized as an incorrect claim of one or more super-powers incapable of one's possession or against what one's character establishes. Several other things have been regarded God-Modding such as dodging every attack, extreme maneuvers & such. If God-Modding should occur, the opposing party will object to it & things can be negotiated from there.
‾Hosts are allowed to use their tails.
There should be no arguments about a host using their Bijū's abilities. However, the claim of utilizing all of their tails, if it seems unfit for them, due to period of time with the Biju, can be negotiable [but must be maintained brief]. Furthermore, other rules can be negotiated between both parties. I.E. Rules such as the number of contestants versus the host [? v. the host (1)] can also be negotiated, etc.
ºGrace Periodº
After any challenge (& loss) from a challenger, a week must be given to the host before challenging them to a rematch (the one week grace period is in subject to a single challenger & as such does not signify a host can ignore challenges from all others during the time period). In cases such as obtaining a Bijū for oneself, a 2-week grace period is granted In order to “commune” with one’s Bijū. If a host shows inactivity for long periods of time (two weeks or more) without prior notice, you can report their missing & conference of a suitable host will take place when possible.
ºTampering with the Bijūº
Tampering with the Bijū, meaning: destroying it, editing its affinity, parting its powers into multiple entities, etc. & anything that changes it from its known canon form is prohibited. Reason being the unpredictable results of its edit & inability to properly decide what lies correct or not.
To be added, revised, or debated:
1) Fleeing from fights is not allowed.
- Adding
2) Time-frame of tail achieving.
- Adding
3) Use of custom Kekkei Genkai
- Debating
- Adding limits to validity of claim
4) Battles for Bijuu are permanent(!) in outcome. That is to say: what happens in the bijuu fight is not OOC, it influences characters; loss of limbs, etc.
- Debating
5) Jinchuuriki initiating a fight against other jinchuuriki for claim of their tailed beast
- Debating
6) ...
Secondly, suggested council persons.
1) Raifudo
2) Zenaku
3) Rakudo
4) Rares
5) Nathan
6) Tommi
7) ...
These names are subject to change and the list quantity is as well.
Currently in debate for council:
A) Should Kages, past and present, hold sudden rights to be part of the council?
b) Should Jinchuuriki, past and present, hold sudden rights to be part of the council?
C) Should there be a primary council, which are (insert number here) elected and the sub council which is made up of Kage, Jinchuuriki, etc. and given as a right to them?
- One can argue "why not just give them the power already if you're making a sub-council?"; yes, we can do that, however the primary is held as a "governing" body while the subordinate council offers advice, etc.
- - The idea is diminishing the more I think on it.
D) Amount of people in council and how council members are edited.
Thirdly, the solution to inactive jinchuuriki.
Because the rule of bijuu being host-less (refer to above rule of being host-less), in this sense that the jinchuuriki be inactive for an extended period of time (refer to above rule for grace periods), we have shown lenience towards villages, whose inactive shinobi is in possession of the bijuu, receiving the bijuu for electing a new host.
A) As such, the Four-Tailed beast -- previously in the hands of Darkshinobi -- is now in possession of Nathan (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6970.msg204044/topicseen.html#msg204044).
B) As such, the Three-Tailed Beast -- previously in the hands of Ranketsu -- is now in possession of Rakudo.
- Possible exchange of the bijuu, the three tailed for the five tailed (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6970.msg204136/topicseen.html#msg204136), is being discussed between Rakudo and Zenaku.
- - Similarly, the same is to be done for the two tailed and the six tailed. (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6970.msg204251.html#msg204251)
5/3/12: Thread Started.
5/3/12: Added "D)" to discussion of council.
5/3/12: Edited "A)" of bijuu-fight rules to "debating" from "adding".
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[Reserved in case of character count limit]
Edit: B, I, U.
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The OOC/IC Bijuu fights should be decided by the host. One could argue that it should be permanent for many reasons -- series relevance and whatnot -- but we've had no problems with it now, so why change it?
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The OOC/IC Bijuu fights should be decided by the host. One could argue that it should be permanent for many reasons -- series relevance and whatnot -- but we've had no problems with it now, so why change it?
I originally kept it as "accepted" with the realization, currently, of:
If the host wins, the challenger loses nothing.
If the challenger wins, the host loses the bijuu.
Right now, the only actual thing the challenger is in risk of losing is time.
It's like someone putting in $3,000 in lottery tickets and a friend of their's gets them for free.
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The OOC/IC Bijuu fights should be decided by the host. One could argue that it should be permanent for many reasons -- series relevance and whatnot -- but we've had no problems with it now, so why change it?
I originally kept it as "accepted" with the realization, currently, of:
If the host wins, the challenger loses nothing.
If the challenger wins, the host loses the bijuu.
Right now, the only actual thing the challenger is in risk of losing is time.
It's like someone putting in $3,000 in lottery tickets and a friend of their's gets them for free.
Well, like I said, it's up for the host to decide. If the hosts wants to make it OOC even though they know that they won't get crap for it other then the challenger leaving them alone for a week, then that's their problem.
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Ideally, I felt the same when I had the Kyuubi. I didn't care if anyone walked off with scratches or missing arms. I suppose an "on/off" switch would be fine. I vote in favor of the host to be the decision maker for such.
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I'm guessing it was either forgotten or I'm not looking good enough. To my knowledge the large majority of us if not all, agreed upon the pirated kg being removed on host or challenger request for obvious reasons. There is a bunch of stuff I want to comment on but I'm guessing it's best to take it one by one to get "there" quicker.
While it might seem like it is favoring the bijuu it should get to decide weather the fight is ic or ooc. As Rai stated, the jinchuriki loses something regardless. If it's ooc, the challenger either gets a bijuu or nothing. While if it's ic, the jinchuriki still loses the bijuu but also wages it's life against yours. As for evening things out, were the host to desire any objects, jutsu, etc, you have upon yourself, it may request them to be placed against his bijuu on the table. It's only fair to have the opportunity to even out the wager if the opportunity arises.
Also to be stated for ic cases: Were the bijuu/jinchuriki die in battle, the bijuu will return to the kage of the village.
I have pretty much an idea on everything that hasn't been fully decided yet. So should I go one by one or just all out?
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I'd abide to a decision marker between host and challenger. Mainly, I would prefer ic myself, but not everyone prefers the same.
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Yep, but the case can be: Host: ic Challenger: ooc
The host shan't be forced to fight someone which even if defeated and killed will challenge him again like nothing ever happened. That's why it's up to the host.
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I'm going through the old thread to pick up what I missed.
The reason I still have "Use of KG" as "debating" is the fact that we set specific exclusions. That is to say we:
A) Cannot claim oro-kill obtainable KG.
- I don't remember if RP-claimed sharingan, etc. was allowed and dna-infusions weren't.
- - This one, A, is a biggie.
B) 80+ DK accounts and/or Sitters that have __ and can kill __ can claim custom KG that are not, currently, able to be obtained in-game.
- I don't remember the specifics.
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Well we are rewriting the rules and what not so, let's stick with neither doujutsu nor other.
As for sitters, I am still waiting for someone to elaborate the equivalent of pvp range to match the 80dk+ part, if we include an amount of wins, I'd say 480.
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The PvP range? Meaning what it takes to kill someone of that dk-amount?
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As for sitters, I am still waiting for someone to elaborate the equivalent of pvp range to match the 80dk+ part, if we include an amount of wins, I'd say 480.
Quite ridiculous. 480 pvp will take 5-6 months to achieve. As an expert leveler, dking isn't that hard. I could reach 80 dks in a couple of weeks.
Go less.
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Nobody said anything about experts. I just figured the mediocre most likely get one dk every 2 game days as an average, and as such 3pvp/day*2*80 amounts to such. Personally I doubt a non reset accounts could make it in weeks but you are more experienced than I in the field of expertise. Pvp range as in what's the highest dk a player they've killed had.
I see Pete's point, there are ways to get infinity new days or what not as a dk'er but none as a sitter. So what should those two numbers be?
+30-40dk above them seems a fair pvp range. But again, idk much about sitters. What about 200wins? If every day is caught it can be done in less than a month.
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As for sitters, I am still waiting for someone to elaborate the equivalent of pvp range to match the 80dk+ part, if we include an amount of wins, I'd say 480.
Quite ridiculous. 480 pvp will take 5-6 months to achieve. As an expert leveler, dking isn't that hard. I could reach 80 dks in a couple of weeks.
Go less.
And? We're not talking about reborn.
Sitters need time to grow. Essentially, a "sitter" is a character that rests at lvl 15 and _ kills.
That said, people can pvp as they level.
We need it to measure on the character dk they can kill.
After all, I can pick up 200 dks by the time I hit 13 dks and then be lazy and not level anymore; sit at level 15 and call myself a "sitter".
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So is 40 dk fine as a target?
Though I should have no say on this, on the other hand, to my knowledge, both Rai and Pete have knowledge of the effort taking to reborn a non reset for the first time as well as getting a sitter's pvp range to a certain amount of dk. So you two should pretty much be the ones deciding on that number due to the ignorance of most when it comes to the matter. When I say effort to get to 80dk I mean an average person.
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The problem about setting a dk "target" is the fact that the sitter's dk can range also.
For example: Louie. Louie, aside from Yuki (now gone) is the strongest sitter. He's capable of killing someone with, easily, 600 DK+.
Should a regular sannin come in in attempts to kill a 40 dk account, they would need, roughly:
30 Atk/Def (Base) + 25 = 55 Atk/Def Vs. 40 DK + 30 Atk/Def (Base) = 70 Atk Def.
The above is disregarding any values of attack defense, etc. that the opponent has gotten, or the sitter, due to oro kill points, etc.
So, the difference between 70 and 55 = 15. Meaning the sitter, the 25 dk sannin, would need only 45 Atk/Def to potentially kill a 40 dk account.
A genin, such as Jinzo (Osho-Kiba) would need:
2 + 30 Atk/Def = 32 + 38 (difference of 70-32). He'll need, roughly, 68 Atk/Def.
As it is, Jinzo has 213 Atk and 209 Def. Plus the 2, he's at 215/211 respectively. Assuming the target had the base of 30/30, Jinzo is on par with someone with 181 Dks (lowest stat of the two is acknowledged for margin of error).
We're looking at a rough formula of:
1) ADK (A's Dragon Kills) + 30 (Base Atk/Def) - BDK (B's Dragon Kills) + 30 (Base Atk/Def).
2) Add difference to both sides.
= Difference equals remaining Atk/Def needed to engage.
In substituting for my case vs. Rare:
(8 + 30) - (14 + 30) = ?
38 - 44 = -6.
+6 +6
44-44 = 0.
Meaning I'd need to have 44 Atk/Def to kill Rare.
Obviously there's lots of things missing from the formula such as a definitive value of that specified person's stats. I.E. Jinzo having 200+/200+ rather than 30/30.
The above formula is just to show Rare how sitters need to think when they fight someone.
Edit: Added Jinzo as example also.
Edit: Added "formula".
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Well, given what you're saying, the optimal way to go about this is to establish how many dk above those of the sitter their pvp range needs to be, rather than an exact amount. Given that, I would suggest X(sitter's dk)+25.
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I was gonna suggest a x(20) or something like that.
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Seems legit.
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You can still earn pvp's while slaying oro, so I don't think the amount of dk's should affect the amount of pk's at all for a sitter. A limit bar should simply by set for those to achieve.
Never owned a sitter, though from my knowledge I'd suggest a pk limit of 160. If this is to allow them usage of a Dōjutsu not attainable through Reborn status, then why not cut the maximum amount of dk's in half to reach 4 resets of the original Dōjutsu, Sharingan and Byakugan. Since it would take 320 dk's to get Grand Master in either KG, then why not just split that in half for a sitter, 160. This gives a way for them to work hard and earn their Dōjutsu like those who reset do, but is not as high as multiple suggestions that were given throughout this thread and the previous one.
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We don't need to go that far. Not to mention the idea is for them to not go TOO far kg wise either but meh. As stated by Rai, it's silly to measure by wins. One could not be a sitter and still make it with ease before reborning. What we are deciding here shouldn't be a limit set at just how much they stood around pvping but how good they are at sitting, hence why a formula is needed. It's just like how you can do your turns daily and still fail horribly.
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I never fail on my turns. >_>
But thanks for the explanation of the layout you two went over, makes much more sense. I must be going a little hard on sitters because I never been one.
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Too easy actually since you, like me at one point, suggested something that didn't evaluate their worth.
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I think that rule is covered now then.
About the Jinchūriki challenging another for their beast. Honestly, is there a reason this cannot' happen. I mean if Tobi can do it, why not anybody else? The only problem I see is people don't want Bijū to be held by someone with immense power, or just power that they can't handle...They just don't deserve it period, that simple. If Nathan just up and wanted to get the Ichibi from Zyeta would that be a problem?
I just think, people (whoever wants one of the bijū Zenaku has) just wants him to give them away. The whole reason this topic was brought up...
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Those with the ability to defend multiple bijuu at once, should be allowed to do so. I see no issue. There aren't many that could pull that off. So hey, let's not persecute Zenaku cause he's strong. No one would complain if a random weakling had them all and was open for challenges. Zenaku isn't even controlling them all at once or anything. He just has them sealed away and only uses one of them.
I'm moving on.
To my knowledge, the killed bijuu being returned to the last village of the host under the scenario in which one is a missing nin and more than clearly has no such will, has been brought up as an issue. As a solution to this, I propose that we give the villageless the right to elect someone tho whom their bijuu will go under such scenario if they do not wish it to go to their former village. Of course, such needs to be done at least before the battle in which this happens and shall not be change unless the elected is inactive or the host joins a village.
As for inactive hosts: It is the kage responsibility to appoint an appropriate host so if the host goes inactive it comes to the kage to appoint another one due to such. As this responsibility goes to the kage, if such is not done by him, he/she should be obliged to defend the bijuu in their stead. Of course, certain events and what not make an exception as long as the date of return does not exceed a certain amount of time(thinking 3 weeks) and the host clearly stated the date it will return on and the date on which it will take on the pending challenge. Example: Nathan has a pending challenge but goes on a 10 day vacation: "Lol bra, going to Hawaii for 10 days I will return on _______ and will be taking your challenge around that time."
A sub council seems kind of weird given that anyone can come to us and give us advice. Alas, is one is to be made, I'd suggest past Kages and jinchuriki are by all means not included for the three following reasons:
Some are horrid, have no renown or at least not a good one.
Some are inactive/uninterested/lost interest
Last and strongest: They either gave up or lost their jinchuriki or Kage possition, and with such they should not be included for they either got forced to lose their authority or gave it up.
As for acting kages and Jinchuriki, the only reason I think they should be included in such if made, is the fact that they have a strong authority over the bijuu they or their village possesses. From that, you can pretty much tell, I am suggesting kage of villages that lack Jinchuriki shouldn't be included in such even if formed.
As for the prime and hopefully only council, Chika did have a point, in regards to the past actions of Tomi and what not. Per say, if Boc had the skill, insight, etc. He possibly still wouldn't be added due to the view the vast majority holds over him, few would trust him in spite of being highly capable. So I guess a bad reputation is a turn off in means of council seat.
Council member basis:
Well known for rp skill, well reputed, and known to often bring valuable input.
As far as who goes:
Raifudo
Zenaku
Shun
Jinzo
Chika
Nathan
Rakudo
Yumei(if willing)
Myself
Those are my suggestions.
As for numbers. We should be having a maximum limit of 10. More than that would be an overkill in my view.
Prerequisites for editing the council, well I have two options:
By vote.
Or electing a council leader after such is formed to do that.
As for allowing others in after it is form, it should be by recommendation of a minimum of 4 council members or election of the leader if such is decided upon.
Removal of council members shouldn't be done at random and needs to be backed up with a well elaborated reason:
Repeated poor judgement -- inappropriate behavior -- inactivity(months) -- being biased
Edit: Added: Missing nin jinchuriki solution, jinchuriki inactivity, reasons for council demotions, Yuumei's say in regards to his seat.
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I think that rule is covered now then.
About the Jinchūriki challenging another for their beast. Honestly, is there a reason this cannot' happen. I mean if Tobi can do it, why not anybody else? The only problem I see is people don't want Bijū to be held by someone with immense power, or just power that they can't handle...They just don't deserve it period, that simple. If Nathan just up and wanted to get the Ichibi from Zyeta would that be a problem?
I just think, people (whoever wants one of the bijū Zenaku has) just wants him to give them away. The whole reason this topic was brought up...
I didn't get that example.
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@Nathan i'm basically saying no one would care if anybody else with a bijū already had another in his/her possession, but because Zenaku holds them, it's different.
Those let in after the council is formed, yes, should have at least 4 members acknowledge them.
My council suggestion: The current 9 Rare suggested. This should be the first formed council. I know we wished for 10 but these are those that has been active in this conversation thus far.
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Zenaku's like the Hashirama of SL, only he isn't benevolent enough to give away the bijuu in his possession to other villages. :-?
Then again, Kumo's at war with pretty much every other nation :-?, but to not give them to his own villagers is well, a different story.
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I know we wished for 10 but these are those that has been active in this conversation thus far.
Given that will leave the option to add/remove members, the starting number is not that relevant.
Yumei nor Jinzo were active in this conversation, I however, propose them due to:
Yumei, good insight over all, great rp skill. Also, he has no objections but won't make an input as often as others, meditator role, certain responsibilities lacking, etc. Not like everyone will always give an input of sorts at all times so, I find it over reasonable.
Jinzo, fought him once, even just for two turns since one of us had to leave(can't remember which one) but in two turns alone I was able his rp skill was above average by far, reminded me of fighting Rai, Zenaku and Raifudo acknowledge him well to my knowledge.
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I like to exclude myself from this new "council" and I will not anything to with this group that has been tainted and corrupted by the SLS community.
Sorry but that's how it's starting to look like, most of these new council members are in some form of power from SLS...
If I am misinformed, one of you is welcome to correct me. :roll:
Edit:
You could've just ask me or Kayenta since it is true the former Council thread belonged to Kayenta (The username is still active) and she had the power as the thread maker to edit it at will but most of you failed to realize when I closed the last topic and I hoped most of you were add some new content to the old thread which could be edited by any moderator on these forums including myself.
But oh well... :(
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I like to exclude myself from this new "council" and I will not anything to with this group that has been tainted and corrupted by the SLS community.
Sorry but that's how it's starting to look like, most of these new council members are in some form of power from SLS...
If I am lying, one of you is welcome to correct me. :roll:
Then why are you here? You kept nagging at us to stop arguing and, yet, here you are, proclaiming corruption and the like and making some accusation that SLS is involved like some sort of Illuminati. If, as you said, want nothing to do with this council - and exclude yourself when you were never, really, called upon to be in it - except for someone to disprove your claim's validity, here:
Raifudo
Zenaku
Shun
Jinzo
Chika
Nathan
Rakudo
Yumei(if willing)
Myself
Raifudo: Raikage proclaimed by JinEchizen - Not SLS.
Zenaku: Raikage proclaimed by Raifudo - Not SLS.
Shun: Pete has been known long and well as a popular antagonist and powerful shinobi. He received Kage-ship off of SLS.
Jinzo: Old-time player on SL and currently acknowledged due to his reputable zoning and knowledge of in-game things.
Chika: I don't really know the guy.
Nathan: Long-time player of SL; currently acknowledged due to his active zoning skills, etc.
Rakudo: Mizukage proclaimed by (dunno) - Not SLS.
Yumei: Hokage. Proclaimed by (dunno) - Not SLS
Rares: Long-time player known for his zoning skills and input. He has turned down kage-ship and bijuus on multiple occasions which further proves his non-power hungry ways.
You could've just ask me or Kayenta since it is true the former Council thread belonged to Kayenta (The username is still active) and she had the power as the thread maker to edit it at will but most of you failed to realize when I closed the last topic and I hoped most of you were add some new content to the old thread which could be edited by any moderator on these forums including myself.
But oh well...
1) Kayenta is gone. I mentioned that in the first post.
2) You said we may add to the thread; I took your advice on that. When I got to it, I saw how jumbled up the first posts were, though, so shrugged and made my own with respectable credit to links, etc.
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Although open to discussion, I strongly plea we keep any sort of bashing, etc. to ourselves or, even, to PM's -- but away from this thread. I urge you to take upon yourself a lax tone, respectful attitude, and a positive-reinforcement mindset. Any initiation of negative attitudes, etc., etc. will be reported for removal.
Meaning your little bashing towards how "tainted and corrupted" we are is not allowed here, so, please, take it elsewhere.
Edit: Was reminded of who Shun was.
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Those with the ability to defend multiple bijuu at once, should be allowed to do so. I see no issue. There aren't many that could pull that off. So hey, let's not persecute Zenaku cause he's strong. No one would complain if a random weakling had them all and was open for challenges. Zenaku isn't even controlling them all at once or anything. He just has them sealed away and only uses one of them.
I'm moving on.
To my knowledge, the killed bijuu being returned to the last village of the host under the scenario in which one is a missing nin and more than clearly has no such will, has been brought up as an issue. As a solution to this, I propose that we give the villageless the right to elect someone tho whom their bijuu will go under such scenario if they do not wish it to go to their former village. Of course, such needs to be done at least before the battle in which this happens and shall not be change unless the elected is inactive or the host joins a village.
As for inactive hosts: It is the kage responsibility to appoint an appropriate host so if the host goes inactive it comes to the kage to appoint another one due to such. As this responsibility goes to the kage, if such is not done by him, he/she should be obliged to defend the bijuu in their stead. Of course, certain events and what not make an exception as long as the date of return does not exceed a certain amount of time(thinking 3 weeks) and the host clearly stated the date it will return on and the date on which it will take on the pending challenge. Example: Nathan has a pending challenge but goes on a 10 day vacation: "Lol bra, going to Hawaii for 10 days I will return on _______ and will be taking your challenge around that time."
A sub council seems kind of weird given that anyone can come to us and give us advice. Alas, is one is to be made, I'd suggest past Kages and jinchuriki are by all means not included for the three following reasons:
Some are horrid, have no renown or at least not a good one.
Some are inactive/uninterested/lost interest
Last and strongest: They either gave up or lost their jinchuriki or Kage possition, and with such they should not be included for they either got forced to lose their authority or gave it up.
As for acting kages and Jinchuriki, the only reason I think they should be included in such if made, is the fact that they have a strong authority over the bijuu they or their village possesses. From that, you can pretty much tell, I am suggesting kage of villages that lack Jinchuriki shouldn't be included in such even if formed.
As for the prime and hopefully only council, Chika did have a point, in regards to the past actions of Tomi and what not. Per say, if Boc had the skill, insight, etc. He possibly still wouldn't be added due to the view the vast majority holds over him, few would trust him in spite of being highly capable. So I guess a bad reputation is a turn off in means of council seat.
Council member basis:
Well known for rp skill, well reputed, and known to often bring valuable input.
As far as who goes:
Raifudo
Zenaku
Shun
Jinzo
Chika
Nathan
Rakudo
Yumei(if willing)
Myself
Those are my suggestions.
As for numbers. We should be having a maximum limit of 10. More than that would be an overkill in my view.
Prerequisites for editing the council, well I have two options:
By vote.
Or electing a council leader after such is formed to do that.
As for allowing others in after it is form, it should be by recommendation of a minimum of 4 council members or election of the leader if such is decided upon.
Removal of council members shouldn't be done at random and needs to be backed up with a well elaborated reason:
Repeated poor judgement -- inappropriate behavior -- inactivity(months) -- being biased
Edit: Added: Missing nin jinchuriki solution, jinchuriki inactivity, reasons for council demotions, Yuumei's say in regards to his seat.
1) I see no issue with holding multiple bijuu at once; so long they fight for them also.
2) Killed Bijuu/inactive bijuu, etc. should indeed be returned to their village.
3) The request for a "back-up" jinchuuriki could be taken as the same way presidency is done.
- President and then vice president. Should the president be unable to fulfill their duties, the VP will take control.
- - I personally don't like missing nin appointing other missing nin to get their bijuu. Like I suggested, I feel it should go to their last village.
- - - The idea of a back-up jinchuuriki to take the reigns is pretty sound of a suggestion also.
4) Kages must appoint their new host if the last goes ianctive.
5) Sub council giving advice to a council does sound silly, but I do also want to give kages, etc. a certain responsibility/boon.
- I guess we can, just as easily, give everyone else the ability to give input as valuable as kages, past and present, etc.
6) I still think there should be a way we can elect more members or edit the list should someone fall sort of duty, etc.
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EDIT: Cheese
I rather be a judge for roleplaying then remain on the sub/council.
Just putting it out there.
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I really hope you're trolling. Not because I want to report you for doing so, no; but because it's the same people to disprove your claim. I added their reasons for having been added/suggested.
Raifudo
Zenaku
Shun
Jinzo
Chika
Nathan
Rakudo
Yumei(if willing)
Rares
Just look at the list for heaven's sake!
Does anything seem different from this one?
Raifudo: Raikage proclaimed by JinEchizen - Not SLS.
Zenaku: Raikage proclaimed by Raifudo - Not SLS.
Shun: Pete has been known long and well as a popular antagonist and powerful shinobi. He received Kage-ship off of SLS.
Jinzo: Old-time player on SL and currently acknowledged due to his reputable zoning and knowledge of in-game things.
Chika: I don't really know the guy.
Nathan: Long-time player of SL; currently acknowledged due to his active zoning skills, etc.
Rakudo: Mizukage proclaimed by (dunno) - Not SLS.
Yumei: Hokage. Proclaimed by (dunno) - Not SLS
Rares: Long-time player known for his zoning skills and input. He has turned down kage-ship and bijuus on multiple occasions which further proves his non-power hungry ways.
Edit: Saw your, now, edited post.
Yeah, there is something different: 28 people were excluded?
6 from our list are in that list.
So, technically, 31 were removed.
Edit: Responding to your edit.
I'll have you know I have no intention of bashing this thread in any way or form but I am entitled to my opinion.
And I stand firm on my first claim of corruption on the basis this new council is not even using democracy to elect it's official more so; favoritism.
I know it well and I don't like to play favorites
"...no intention of bashing.. any way or form..."
"...I stand firm on my first claim of corruption..."
"Mr. President, I don't want to say you're a terrible leader, but you're running this nation horribly and should quit office."
^ ^ ^ I don't want to, but I still will.
You want us to use democracy to elect our officials?
Are we not electing people and agreeing to them?
Is it not unanimous so far of the people present?
Do we have to make an MoTd to elect people for it?
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Raifudo
Zenaku
Shun
Jinzo
Chika
Nathan
Rakudo
Yumei(if willing)
Rares
Just look at the list for heaven's sake!
Does anything seem different from this one?
[quotes]Tenative List of Known Council Members at This Time 37 members Total
Present and Past Jinchuuriki: Incomplete Listing 20 members
Zyeta (Leaf) Dizzy[Oto] Darkshinobi (Konoha) Mangetsu (Oto)
Tetsujin (Kumo) Zenaku (Kumo) Kamui [Konoha] Bocchiere [Mising Nin]
Yugito [Kumo] Yukio [Iwa] CJofTheDesert [Suna] Warren [Kiri]
Rakudo/Cmage [Kiri] Shigeo [Kiri] UzumakiWarrior [Wanderer] Jinzo [Kumo]
Luka [Kiri] Raifudo [Kumo] Tomi [Konoha] Isaribi [Kiri]
Present and Past Village Kages: Incomplete Listing 9 members
* indicates already listed and counted above
Raijin Hikari (Suna) Yumei (Konoha) Hidesamu (Iwa) * Tetsujin [Kumo]
*Zenaku (Kumo) *Enma Makaze (Oto) ShadowX [Oto] * Raifudo [Kumo]
Stark [Iwa] *CjofTheDesert [Suna] *Kayenta [Suna] *Shigeo [Kiri]
* Rakudo/Cmage [Kiri] Purple [Kiri] Izaku Raiken/TheWhiteFangofKahona [Oto]
*Kamui [Konoha] * Tomi [Konoha] JinEchizen [Kumo] Solo Iori [Oto]
Living Large in Retirement: 8 members
Kyu [Kiri] Taumaster [Oto] Raiken [Kumo] Sharuto [Iwa/Konoha]
Seraphim [Konoha] Abyss [Kiri] Ranketsu (Kiri) Virikas [Iwa]
No offense and all, but I highly dislike your attitude towards this given it is taking place under a grand ignorance. Otherwise, you would know the arguments towards changing such by reading the last thread throughly. Alas, I'll save you the long read.
Roughly around 20 of those are simply inactive, quite a few of them deemed as unworthy, untrusted, and unacknowledged in means of valor by the community in general. In a perfect world, all kage and jinchuriki would be a brilliant base, but this is not such, and a bunch of them are simply not "there" by far. In case some would want to bring up something like "what gives you the right.... and so on". Nothing does, I speak out of knowledge of their rp, negative reputation in regards to such, insight, behavior, etc.
To sum it up, too many either incompetent or inactive, no sl interest, etc. are there. And those highly competent and willing that have not been kage nor jinchuriki are excluded.
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Re-read my statements after my revision before starting a response, it makes it seems like I started an unintentional troll.
Edit; Responding to the both you pertaining the list.
Edit; Made some changes to the responses and fixed some grammatical errors.
@Raifudo
You want us to use democracy to elect our officials?
Are we not electing people and agreeing to them?
Is it not unanimous so far of the people present?
Do we have to make an MoTd to elect people for it?
You're electing by not unanimous decision but rather, "Oh I know that guy, so yea he's in!"
Only natural the respondent agrees to the decision by that member since it will benefit him in his seat of power.
Also just having one guy vouch for that elected followed by you just "voting" him in doesn't make it official until the other kages agree to so.
You don't have to make a MOTD, smart guy...just make a poll on the forums and then go from there.
@Rares
And I disliked your attitude towards our fellow players but I tolerated it to an extent.
The list I posted is the former...so what will you tell the "inactives" when they actually want a part on this?
Also not more then half of the list are inactives...I see almost everyone on this list every game day or so. IE; Tommi, Yukio, Dizzy, Zyeta, Hidesamu, Etc.
No offense and all, but I highly dislike your attitude towards this given it is taking place under a grand ignorance
Ignorance is a bliss someone once said and look where it gotten us...farther down the spiral towards negativity from our fellow roleplayers.
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I was already posting before you edited it.
However, I do not completely rid my posts of what was there (e.g. Edit: Cheese) so people have reference to what had happened. I, instead, add "edit: ____" (as I see some people adopting [thankfully]) to list my reason for change.
Now, unless you have anything else to say about the council, rules, etc., etc. that's considered CONSTRUCTIVE OR POSITIVE FEEDBACK, please escort yourself away from my thread.
Edit: Word-play for purpose of loophole.
Edit: Listing the, that I know of, inactives from that list:
1 ) Tetsujin
2 ) Yugito
3 ) Shigeo
4 ) Darkshinobi
5 ) Warren
6 ) Isaribi
7 ) Stark
8 ) Purple
9 ) Makaze (Can't find their name. Doesn't exist anymore for reference.)
10 ) JinEchizen
11 ) Taumaster
12 ) Abyss
13 ) Ranketsu
14 ) Sharuto
15 ) Virikas
16 ) Raiken
17 ) Kayenta
18 ) Seraphim
Seeing since Zenaku, Raifudo, Shigeo, Kayenta* (Yugito), etc. were included twice, you're looking at 29 members, which 18 is more than half of.
Edit: Answering quote.
You're electing by not unanimous decision but rather, "Oh I know that guy, so yea he's in!"
Only natural the respondent agrees to the decision by that member since it will benefit him in his seat of power.
Also just having one guy vouch for that elected followed by you just "voting" him in doesn't make it official until the other kages agree to so.
You don't have to make a MOTD, smart guy...just make a poll on the forums and then go from there.
Hey, I hear Ron Paul is good at laws, etc. He'd be a fine president. Let's elect him!
- Benefits them since they like the president.
- Why should other countries have a say in my president? Especially when some of those countries don't care, etc?
- Let's make it a vote for him being in! But, sir, the 10 people who actually bother to vote are already here.
See where I'm going with this?
You want me to make a poll on the thread where the people who are in here already said they're acknowledging the council?
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Save for HUGELY inactive ones, that are only natural to be removed, I've asked around SL, people I know of, in regards to those I have an issue with being on there. The ones knowing of it go "never acknowledged that council" the others just lol'd. Hell man... some never acknowledged themselves as such, i.e. at the required level of skill, insight, etc. And with this, I end any responses to any accusation of corruption, favoritism, lacking in right, etc.
3. I just thought of it as form for it to be fair for all.
I agree or at the very least, strongly see the point you are making in the rest.
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@Raifudo
Makaze is in fact Shun, I believe.
I cannot keep track of alternates, but it's too my knowledge...Makaze underwent a name change and resides with my clan at the moment, although I could be wrong...
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Shun is also Mangetsu, so, hey. Brings us down to 17 inactives and a total of 27 individual people.
27 - 17 = 10. Hey, ten people! Which is what we're aiming for council-number-wise.
@ Rares: Yeah; otherwise, we'd have to make rules for missing nin and such. Villages, being larger in population base, should be easier to fill. I still like the thought of a runner-up kind of deal for jinchuuriki-ship, but how are they selected? And, also, if the runner-up takes reigns, do we need a runner-up for the runner-up?
Edit: Made response to Rares longer.
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Makaze is me, Pete. But I was unaware that someone put me as a council. Who the hell did that?
Edit: Well, just for future reference, I'm not taking a council seat -- and never planned to. Please exclude my name from the list. I'm just here to give my input and make suggestions.
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Kay did. She went along the list of past jinchuuriki, etc., etc. and added those people in.
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Yeah, Uzamakiwarrior which she misspelled for obvious reasons, was given a bijuu by Rakudo as a jk I still fail to understand, the dude was pretty much ridiculed as an rp'er at the time and lost to his first challenger, a one year ago or so Boc. >_> In a similar category of ridiculous are several others on that list. But in all my argumentations I didn't give the names and explanations simply because the elaboration can't be done in a none bashful or at least offensive way to the players.
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Bouncing off the council hassle between Kay's list and ours:
I can't help but feel obliged to add "Bijuu fights are a 1 v. 1 fight" or something like that, but that doesn't give leeway for things such as summonings, etc.
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1 vs 1 should be added. To my knowledge, it was present in one "bijuu rules" variant. If not there, people could just summon other players through various means and what not.
We already talked this out I think. I.e. clones, summons, paths, being allowed along with the now underpowered variant of edo-tensei.
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Mind digging up the changes to Edo Tensei and posting them? (Just use the search bar and find Pete's account and look for "edo tensei"), I need to head out for a bit. I'll start rewriting the bijuu rules while I'm gone with what we got.
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Apparently there will be no more resurrecting already-dead, active SL users, and only those with inhuman quantities of chakra (i.e. jinchuuriki) are able to use it.
Uh... did I leave anything out? :-?
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No more resurrecting players +
Quote from: bocchiere on May 03, 2012, 06:15:26 pm
Quote from: Shuren on May 03, 2012, 06:09:24 pm
Officially, no -- but all ninpou-related information from Mangetsu has been transfered to me, which makes sense since its my alt. Also note that Mangetsu wasn't an official jinchuuriki, he having not harboring the beast within his own vessel and all. He was just a possessor and nothing more.
As for Edo Tensei: I made rules that non-Senju shinobis didn't have sufficient chakra to use the ninpou, for it required a huge charka pool to summon one reanimated shinobi. Jinchuurikis, of course, are an exception to the rule. To limit the powers of Edo Tensei, any chakra-based ninpou used by the reanimated shinobi, will be subtracted from the user's chakra pool. Such rules were made in Edo Tensei, the organization.
MI: The manga has yet to show a non-senju shinobi using Edo Tensei. The rules are fair.
You never mentioned that part to me, about draining my chakra for them to do jutsu. How does Kabuto have Senju cells though? So far I need to get another living player to sacrifice, they need to have at least one reset in the areas of the person I am reviving and now they drain my chakra too. You're taking away pretty much every advantage of the jutsu. The immortality isn't even that big a deal as anyone good is going to have fuinjutsu.
The advantage are the following:
- Depending on your reanimation collection, you have a variety of ninpou to choose from
- Immortal weapons
That's it. Edo Tensei, just like Itachi's sealing sword, is too overpowered to be used on SL, hence the reason why the ninpou was debuffed.
MF: I thought I told you about that section of the rules... Oh well, I recall you being a Konohagakure shinobi, and that's why I allowed you to use Edo Tensei. Your situation doesn't change much.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2012, 06:25:33 pm by Shuren »
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Apparently there will be no more resurrecting already-dead, active SL users, and only those with inhuman quantities of chakra (i.e. jinchuuriki) are able to use it.
Uh... did I leave anything out? :-?
Please don't tell me...that everyone denying me the use of Edo Tensei?
I mean I was a former Jinchuuriki and then some.
If that is the case then I want Enternal Mangekyo Sharingan to be denied to every Uchiha since everyone tends to trade eyes and cheat their way rather then go the more traditional way.
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Apparently there will be no more resurrecting already-dead, active SL users, and only those with inhuman quantities of chakra (i.e. jinchuuriki) are able to use it.
Uh... did I leave anything out? :-?
Please don't tell me...that everyone denying me the use of Edo Tensei?
I mean I was a former Jinchuuriki and then some.
If that is the case then I want Enternal Mangekyo Sharingan to be denied to every Uchiha since everyone tends to trade eyes and cheat their way rather then go the more traditional way.
Were you formerly a user of it? If so, then it might be best to bring it up with Pete.
As much as I wish for everybody who claims possession of the EMS to obtain it in the more traditional, canon-manner, it would pretty much undermine the majority of the role-play staged in SL. Not to mention there'd be an outburst of dissatisfied players. It's simply not healthy.
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Apparently there will be no more resurrecting already-dead, active SL users, and only those with inhuman quantities of chakra (i.e. jinchuuriki) are able to use it.
Uh... did I leave anything out? :-?
Please don't tell me...that everyone denying me the use of Edo Tensei?
I mean I was a former Jinchuuriki and then some.
If that is the case then I want Enternal Mangekyo Sharingan to be denied to every Uchiha since everyone tends to trade eyes and cheat their way rather then go the more traditional way.
Were you formerly a user of it? If so, then it might be best to bring it up with Pete.
As much as I wish for everybody who claims possession of the EMS to obtain it in the more traditional, canon-manner, it would pretty much undermine the majority of the role-play staged in SL. Not to mention there'd be an outburst of dissatisfied players. It's simply not healthy.
Alas I was the former Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi no Yoko until eventually it got extracted then somehow ended up in Raifudo's hands [How the hell this happen? I dunno...it took place in SLS when he became Jinchuuriki.]
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Being a FORMER Jinchuriki doesn't mean squat. What Mangetsu/whatever is saying is that Jinchuriki are excluded from the Senju rule because, due to them having a Bijuu, they have an enormous amount of chakra. When you no longer possess a Bijuu, then you obviously no longer possess its chakra. That being said, the rules for Edo Tensei should be changed. People can train and get higher chakra levels without being Senju. Not only that, but neither Orochimaru or Kabuto are confirmed to be Senju or have Senju cells. So, it's kind of odd to have such a rule, don't you think?
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I wasn't aware that Ryuuji gave the reanimation technique's blueprints to you, Kamui. But since Ryuuji was your neo subordinate for quite some time, I suppose I missed something.
Were you part of the cult? Are there records of you using Edo Tensei? When?
That aside, I do like to mention that Edo Tensei was downgraded in power. If you have records of using Edo Tensei, then, by all means, use the technique. Just know it's not as free.
MI: Aside from you, Kamui, I also obtained the eternal mangekyou sharingan through traditional means. It's quite true. Now that I'm thinking more about it, I got a hint on how to obtain it through you. I don't know if you can recall, but we crossed paths long ago... During the time Ryuuji's Guntai was in war with Neo, you carelessly rp'd through Madara, your previous account, before me and my partner in the zones.
You rp'd your way in, and introduced yourself before us, saying, "Nice eyes (I was known as Uchiha back then)." Of course, Madara, your account, was the one who chattered away and hinted that hatred was the the key to upgrading my eyes. At that time, I had Mangekyou sharingans.
And so... I killed Joker, my Uchiha brother, took his eyes, and implant them to mine a year later.
I have no clue on how others obtained their Eternal Mangekyou Sharingans, but I'm not relinquishing mine.
Edit: I'll post the rules of Edo Tensei tomorrow. It's somewhere on my computer.
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Alas I was the former Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi no Yoko until eventually it got extracted then somehow ended up in Raifudo's hands [How the hell this happen? I dunno...it took place in SLS when he became Jinchuuriki.]
Edo Tensei's considered a 'claimed' technique, where similar to the Summoning Technique, one cannot use it without signing the master scroll. As for how Raifudo came into possession of the Kyuubi when it was yours as you say... well, blame Gyu-chan. :-?
But as Nathan's stated, being a bijuu alone does not give one full rights to the technique, 'lest they have signed the 'master scroll'.
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Apparently there will be no more resurrecting already-dead, active SL users, and only those with inhuman quantities of chakra (i.e. jinchuuriki) are able to use it.
Uh... did I leave anything out? :-?
Please don't tell me...that everyone denying me the use of Edo Tensei?
I mean I was a former Jinchuuriki and then some.
If that is the case then I want Enternal Mangekyo Sharingan to be denied to every Uchiha since everyone tends to trade eyes and cheat their way rather then go the more traditional way.
Please do not generalize, there are those that got it the right way. For the record, not just the senju have great chakras.
Tobi: Senju ancestor got the body and physical energies of the sage; Uchiha ancestor the eyes, spiritual energies, and his powerful chakras.
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@Shun
Back in <Neo> heyday, I was supervising most of Ryuuji's visions and work...I used the Edo Tensei technique before it was even acknowledged as "claimed" jutsu and I am starting to get irked on these "claims" since it was said that such restrictions hinder roleplay but what can this one voice here do? Absolutely nothing.
As for the blueprint?
You ever question to how Ryuuji got it along with his former power back after the Totsuka's sword did it's work?
EDIT;
It is to my knowledge that Edo Tensei has no master scroll in the manga, just varies in knowledge from character to character but it still has a strong weakness despite the resurrected former abilities.
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Some techniques have been "claimed" mainly due to being "too much" to leave lying around for grabs.
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Uhh.. Kamui:
I was the Kyuubi's host for over 2 years. It did NOT happen on SLS. I took it with me to SLS. It's been well about half a year (or more) since I gave it to Zenaku. so, we're looking at, almost, 3 years going back (if not more).
Edit: I actually have a picture, from August 1st, 2009, that has my bio saying I have the Kyuubi.
And that was still months after I got it.
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Some techniques have been "claimed" mainly due to being "too much" to leave lying around for grabs.
I can't wait till I actually put up my copyrights...I bet we won't see eye to eye that much afterwards. :oops:
Edit: Actually saw Jonny's post and will point out some "things" in later posts.
Not two years sir, more like a year and a half..going on two years after the prior arrangements that were set up between you two.
I know this for a fact since I actually never seen someone vouch for your previous Jinchuuriki status except in SLS's forums.
More stolen by you actually now that I recall...after I redistributed the bijuus again, I eventually lost my status due my weakness in connecting with my beast...then eventually I became defeated for the title then everything gone to the toilet after that.
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Some techniques have been "claimed" mainly due to being "too much" to leave lying around for grabs.
I can't wait till I actually put up my copyrights...I bet we won't see eye to eye that much afterwards. :oops:
Only canon kinjutsu and summonings should be considered claimable... but hey, I wanna see what you have in mind! :)
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Some techniques have been "claimed" mainly due to being "too much" to leave lying around for grabs.
I can't wait till I actually put up my copyrights...I bet we won't see eye to eye that much afterwards. :oops:
Only canon kinjutsu and summonings should be considered claimable... but hey, I wanna see what you have in mind! :)
I would but it will cause complaints amongst the community of the "claimed" since my copyrighted will contradict most jutsus that people began listing as their "claimed" custom or canon jutsu. :roll:
I mean look what happened with the Sword of Totsuka and I made the original claim on it before giving it to someone who won't defile such use of the technique.
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More stolen by you actually now that I recall...after I redistributed the bijuus again, I eventually lost my status due my weakness in connecting with my beast...then eventually I became defeated for the title then everything gone to the toilet after that.
Stolen? You obviously don't know the story.
I challenged Iori, who had the Kyuubi at the time, and he declined the challenge. Instead, he asked, in return, that I help him get another bijuu. I accepted and he gave me the Kyuubi. Weeks after that, in my attempt to obtain one for him, he had disappeared. I shrugged and decided since he gave it to me, I might as well put it to use.
Edit: And as you say it was a year and a half: No. Even if that were true, the bio page on SLS that existed, until Q removed it, was dated before that.
That said, I had made my freewebs bio when I got the Kyuubi and that's dated as copyright 2009.
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Some techniques have been "claimed" mainly due to being "too much" to leave lying around for grabs.
I can't wait till I actually put up my copyrights...I bet we won't see eye to eye that much afterwards. :oops:
Only canon kinjutsu and summonings should be considered claimable... but hey, I wanna see what you have in mind! :)
I would but it will cause complaints amongst the community of the "claimed" since my copyrighted will contradict most jutsus that people began listing as their "claimed" custom or canon jutsu. :roll:
I mean look what happened with the Sword of Totsuka and I made the original claim on it before giving it to someone who won't defile such use of the technique.
I guess the immensity of the result would weigh on how many people claim to be users/wielders of it.
Edit: I personally believe that if a technique's already been claimed, then you as well, somebody's who has been role-playing on SL for how-so-many years and have probably claimed how-so-many-perks could request to be added to the 'list of technique users' or whatnot, but probably not relinquish those who've already been added to it.
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Some techniques have been "claimed" mainly due to being "too much" to leave lying around for grabs.
I can't wait till I actually put up my copyrights...I bet we won't see eye to eye that much afterwards. :oops:
Only canon kinjutsu and summonings should be considered claimable... but hey, I wanna see what you have in mind! :)
I would but it will cause complaints amongst the community of the "claimed" since my copyrighted will contradict most jutsus that people began listing as their "claimed" custom or canon jutsu. :roll:
I mean look what happened with the Sword of Totsuka and I made the original claim on it before giving it to someone who won't defile such use of the technique.
If you're the originator, then, please add yourself as an user of Edo Tensei, Kamui. But know that the technique was downgraded. I'll PM you the rules of it tomorrow.
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After the "original" topic was locked due to reasons already stated, I hoped that members would have simply taken a break for a day or two.
Unfortunately, another topic was quickly created. The topic that was locked by Kamui specifically said, "This topic will be locked until further notice..."
Not even a day passed by....
Please understand that topics are locked for a reason, good reasons.
Kamui is fine with the topic being unlocked.
Please maintain the conversations at a certain decency.
And unless some really want to, there is no need to reply to this post.
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Edo tensei has been decided it'll be downgraded. The rules will be placed by Pete regarding the latter, also Rai should be, if not finished, posting the new rules established to date.
Also, @Ace the reason we... Nah just kidding, I have no interest to respond to your post. >_>
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After the "original" topic was locked due to reasons already stated, I hoped that members would have simply taken a break for a day or two.
Unfortunately, another topic was quickly created. The topic that was locked by Kamui specifically said, "This topic will be locked until further notice..."
Not even a day passed by....
Please understand that topics are locked for a reason, good reasons.
Kamui is fine with the topic being unlocked.
Please maintain the conversations at a certain decency.
And unless some really want to, there is no need to reply to this post.
We simply deemed less time than you did to "cool down" and keep things decent.
@Kamui, do understand the fact that some techniques are not of the type that one can go "Oh! Look what I've tripped over":
Edo tensei-developped by the second hokage, perfected by Orochimaru by somehow getting his hands on the original jutsu, then used by Orochimaru2. Makes sense to copy right.
Hirashin, believed to be of great complexity, developed by the fourth hokage, even though passed on, those he did such, needed to be in trio.
So the things that actually get claimed have a decent sense to them. We won't be claiming elemental techs like: Chidori, Gian, Chirdori nagashi, Housenka, gokakyou, Daitoppa, kirigakure no jutsu, etc.
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Alas I was the former Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi no Yoko until eventually it got extracted then somehow ended up in Raifudo's hands [How the hell this happen? I dunno...it took place in SLS when he became Jinchuuriki.]
Don't underestimate the Illuminati. >>
But seriously, not that I know detail or what not, but given your inactivity in the past, in your opinion, should it have been like: *comes back active after 1 year, stillz haz fox*
To stop you guys there, a bunch of stuff happened on SLS. For several months that site functioned an official rp moderator of sorts. Many changes decided on there got put in to SL rp in that given period of time. All of those were pretty much acknowledged, so it doesn't really matter who had what. Rai isn't even a jinchuriki at the given time so I don't see why you revive dead history.
In the past there were also those that went "lolol, I only accept challenges from who I want" now that's just laughable. Also, it's more than natural for a HIGHLY inactive jinchuriki to be stripped. Oh well.
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Double post? xD
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My bad.
Also. The above got me thinking... what if the inactive jinchuriki is a missing nin? Do we leave the matter to the last kage he was under?
Along with: What if both kage, and jinchuriki are inactive or one and the same?
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Yes it should return to the last village the bijū came from. If both Jinchūriki and Kage are inactive, that's were someone like you would come into action. After sometime of inactivity, the beast will be sealed and 2nd in command will either appoint a new Jinchūriki or fight for it theirself if not sealed within them.
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Sounds good.
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My bad.
Also. The above got me thinking... what if the inactive jinchuriki is a missing nin? Do we leave the matter to the last kage he was under?
Along with: What if both kage, and jinchuriki are inactive or one and the same?
I already stated that. It goes back to the last village due to complexities of having to make regulations for missing-nin.
P.S. The hell happened to my last thread? That one was, not only organized, but full of information that I had to scour this one for.
Edit: Found it.
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Well I think we covered up all modifications and adding in regards to the bijuu rules so far.
Now for the council.
My listing proposition in regards to members is unchanged.
Yumei is willing and there hasn't seemed to be anyone adding others.
We'd need to verify the will of Jinzo. Other than that, my list of 9 seems to be it unless others wish to suggest modifications to it.
I would suggest that next to the Bijuu rules, we should add "Bijuu council" with a listing of members and "about this council" to give people a clear image of what we are:
This council is in charge of the Jinchuriki challenges and battles rules. Are issues to arise in regards to the rules, be it either flaws or abuses of coming from jinchuriki, the council shall be approached. This also goes for issues during battle that the two parties alone can't reach a consensus in regards to, in such a case, any council members are deemed as fit to judge the situation. If the situation is resolved by a fourth party with no issues on the behalf of either combatants, that is alright as well.
We can add the council rules we came up with so far in regards to electing members.
The council has absolutely no form of official authority outside bijuu battles, the only form of authority being an informal one granted by their reputation, popularity, ability, etc.
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Agreed.
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I have several problems, with missing nin jinchuriki having their biju returned to their last village.
The biggest problem I foresee is abusing this function, I will post an example and will use kumo (Not bashing, or taking pot shots at Kumo, just an example >.<)
Lets say Zenny-kins, gives the Nibi so someone, then after a while they go missing nin status. Zen being the wise ruler he is sends someone after him. This is were the problems begin, as you guys claim that part of the challenge is to take your opponent alive. Well, if the biju is to be returned to the former village, all the challenger would have to do is kill their foe (still difficult) and then the biju would be returned to Kumo, were it could be given to the challenger as a reward.
Whats to stop people from doing this, besides the fact their being cheap? As most would go too bad so sad. Would the council intervene to prevent this, or should missing nin have a sort of heir to their biju if this were to happen? just my thoughts.
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Already proposed the heir idea and it got turned down on reasonable, chaos and complications avoiding basis. To be blunt, we'd complicate things too much. As Rai stated in a different area: "If you wanna take revenge on a village, join another."
Another rule that crossed my mind:
It was brought up before but I forgot if anything was decided.
If killed while challenging a host, the host as well as the other 8, have the right to deny any further challenges as long as the resurrection was not cannon. (anyone can make up random resurrections, and usually, methods are crappy and impossible. Ex: Luka's perfect reincarnation even though idk the details.) Are you, as formerly dead character, to find this unfair, present the council with a full scale elaboration of the resurrection method used so that it can be checked and debated for legitimacy.
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Well you forget a good many things.
Yeah I am back. so what...
Anyway, For starters it mattered not what occurred on SLS. Do not think to pull your mythical 'most people think this or that' argument with me either. I have as yet to see a poll erected anywhere concerning this whole fiasco. With out a vote, and a real one...you all or no more of an authority than SLS was.
Many many many people hated SLS and denied that they were anything but a detriment to SL RP. Even to the founding of the Anti-SLS league.
The main thing about SLS was that we stressed it over and over again that RP there did not effect RP on SL. So don't go trying to call that back cause it don't jive. SLS was totally separate and only overlapped in Suna RP because we RP'd the same events in both boards. And still we did not RP all of those events, such as Uijo's unlawful entry to Suna.
have fun boys. I plan to.
~Kay, over and out.
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If killed while challenging a host, the host as well as the other 8, have the right to deny any further challenges as long as the resurrection was not cannon. (anyone can make up random resurrections, and usually, methods are crappy and impossible. Ex: Luka's perfect reincarnation even though idk the details.) Are you, as formerly dead character, to find this unfair, present the council with a full scale elaboration of the resurrection method used so that it can be checked and debated for legitimacy.
Well, as far as canon goes, we don't really have many ways to resurrect. I don't think people would want to make new characters either.
We have self-sacrificial ways to bring someone back to life (chiyo).
Nagato's 7th path (which we don't know the limits of).
Edo Tensei (which isn't resurrection as it is animation).
Pretty sure I'm missing a few.
Edit: Added methods of resurrections.
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Just a suggestion here that just accord to me.
Aren't we doing things rather backwards :o It seems like a better and more efficient idea to get a council up and running first, before starting in a new wave of rules. I propose gathering any ones names who are interested and have a poll (top ten win) From there you can go to the rules, obviously still allowing outsiders to post ideas or suggestions and then have the council vote on said rules. This in turn gives people the democracy (ie, you got a chance to vote someone in) and would put to rest any issues already voted on. I say this because as of right now, there really is no council, therefore no authority to implement anything.
Maybe I'm just crazy though.....
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It seems like a better and more efficient idea to get a council up and running first, before starting in a new wave of rules. I propose gathering any ones names who are interested and have a poll (top ten win)
Just how many names do we have to put up? And how do we find who wants to be in this council?
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Well that didn't last long.
I didn't see a poll at yours either so that one is no different. Weather the "people" acknowledge what we do or not is up to them. There can always be eccentrics that make up their own rules, violate the current one and claim their bijuu in spite of being stripped due to such violations. We, nor any other council hold any actual SL authority, in the sense, that we can't oblige people to follow what we say, respect rules, etc. by banning, muting or what not. SL doesn't have and never will have rules on rp, i.e. that will be officially punished on moderator/admin level upon breaking. Not even the basic ones linked in the zones is followed by such punishments upon repetition.
As for a poll, I asked around quite a bit and as such, I would be more than confident. However! Unless I am provided with the fact that the same IP can not vote multiple times. Otherwise, people can easily cheat, just as how one can have 30+ alts, one can have/make a similar number of accounts. Personally, I am at a point at which I would not be surprised to find you attempting to cheat.
However, other than willing to remove you, I do not see your issue, the rest that are removed are either inactive or have a bad reputation, it being either for people just not trusting them (Boc: even if skilled... how many would go to him?) as for the rest I am referring to about reputation, as much as you'd like to accuse me of abusing "most say..." you know damn well of the sl reputation they have, be it their skill or poor judgement. Of course, were the inactive to return, they would most likely be welcomed back.
As for yours, the old one anyway, the base... well if you ask anyone "do you think anyone that has been a kage or jinchuriki, regardless of their reputation, circumstance, ability, rp skill, insight?" it's only logical what most would say. It's like considering all that have houses brilliant and hard working while ignoring the possibility of inheritance or winning the lottery, etc. You could at least try to understand where we are coming from before calling us out on "overthrowing", "power hungry", etc.
It seems more than obvious who would win in a fair poll in my view, but as long as one can make countless accounts... :/
As for calling me out on my/our mythical [...] and going all "where is your poll?!" you even did that on number of resets influencing kg strength and most disliking non-shinobi characters, and I don't me vendors or random civilians. When in reality, the answer to that poll would be more than obvious.
And the stressing of not being SL connected only came after some months in which it was the opposite, it was around that time that I deemed it useless and left.
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Just how many names do we have to put up? And how do we find who wants to be in this council?
Well, for it to be even worth polling there would have to be 10+ Exact number, I don't know yet. As too finding the names well thats a different story. Some have suggested using kages and past jinchuriki, but others have said inactive or not reliable. As for the inactive part I do not know, but for reliable, if they are voted in, it would seem others did not agree.
So in essence for names as I went off topic, pretty much anyone interested, whether you think they suck or not xD as the votes will show what people want.
(This idea is still in the making, so please help me, by pointing out flaws, or better way to find names)
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As for a poll, I asked around quite a bit and as such, I would be more than confident. However! Unless I am provided with the fact that the same IP can not vote multiple times. Otherwise, people can easily cheat, just as how one can have 30+ alts, one can have/make a similar number of accounts. Personally, I am at a point at which I would not be surprised to find you attempting to cheat.
Hmmm, didn't think about that. I couldn't tell you how the polls work or if there is a way to prevent that, so you would have to ask a mod, cause you got me there.
Also, sorry for double posting :cry:
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I would go for either 9 or 11. That way we have an uneven number and avoid 5 pro vs 5 against.
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I actually read that, scientifically proven, the average large group functions smoothly with 7 members being the highest.
I'm not implementing it, I'm just saying since a random fact popped into my mind.
Anyway!
Going by the poll, I noticed this:
1) Having multiple votes on your platter doesn't mean you can vote for the same person. It's one vote per option.
2) You can't see who voted.
3) You can add a LOT of people to the list.
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Sort of informative: http://www.cof.org/files/documents/governing_boards/board%20briefs/boardsize.pdf
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Perhaps people who've voted should also post their choice, so that we have a way of knowing who has voted, and how many have voted for a particular choice?
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I can make a poll on a seperate thread. Have it up for a week and then remove it after a print screen of the results.
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I can make a poll on a seperate thread. Have it up for a week and then remove it after a print screen of the results.
Is this a practice poll, or the official one? As we haven't figured out a good number besides the fact that is has to be odd.
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Official. I'm just suggesting right now so we have a head's-up.
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Ah, I understand now!
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But the alt factor is a big issue.
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1. Can we get a designated summary post so I don't have to read through 5 pages of content everyday to catch up?
2. I thought we came to a conclusion that the only claimable things were summoning animal and weapons. I know we don't want everyone going around using S-class jutsu, but who has the right to say that "Hey I was the first to read the manga this week before everyone on SL, so I'm now claiming this ability that's exclusive to one person in Naruto, so now it's mine here"
3. For Edo Tensei " no already-dead, still active players" means players that quit? Because not everyone knows the powers of those that have left SL.
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Clink the link on the first post, Cmage.
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3. For Edo Tensei " no already-dead, still active players" means players that quit? Because not everyone knows the powers of those that have left SL.
By that he meant: No using it to bring back X so that he is no longer dead and can resume playing his character. I.e. only battle tools.
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But the alt factor is a big issue.
The one with the googly eyes suggested saying who you vote for, which is a great idea as theres nothing to keep secret.
Also I'm the one exception to that Edo tesnei rule, just restating so I don't get spammed to drop my character :evil:
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Clink the link on the first post, Cmage.
Thanks, I don't know how I missed that xP
3. For Edo Tensei " no already-dead, still active players" means players that quit? Because not everyone knows the powers of those that have left SL.
By that he meant: No using it to bring back X so that he is no longer dead and can resume playing his character. I.e. only battle tools.
Oooooh, that makes sense
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Drop your character Trev.
There are those that would rather remain secret.
For example: A friend of Kay doesn't want to upset her but thinks the old council should go, or the other way around but with me instead of Kay.
That's the issue with it not being classified at choice.
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Hmmmm. I don't see how we can have both though.
We can either have all anonymous and put our hope into the people, that they won't abuse it.
Or
We can have people post who they vote for as this ensures no tampering, but it puts people into predicaments.
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Yumei had a seemingly good idea: Those that wish to be classified pm an impartial party with their vote, party that would gather such votes until the end of the week.
Were I to suggest someone, in hopes of him being willing to help, it would be Ace.
Just throwing it out there.
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I suppose that could be alright.
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Don't ya think voting here on the forums and then saying who you want would be easier?
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Much easier.
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Let's say you vote for:
Raifudo
Rares
Trev
Kayenta
You put those down as a post.
That simple. That way everyone can see and everything is accounted for. If, in the end, it doesn't match up, we just go by the points given through election posting.
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And if you don't speak out your vote is ignored?
First, I say we hold a thread in which anyone willing to be on the council names themselves.
Other than character names, we should have:
Keep the old council built on current and past kages and jinchuriki.
Idc/Idk! Just get rid of that thing!
And then the names.
I say we open a thread to specify it only serves as to show your will to being the new council if made, keep it up for a day or two. Anyone can put their name. Etc.
@Raifudo -- I agree to that.
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How do we get the word out?
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I agree to everything above as well, but we also need a number
I hope someone bothered to look at the statistic thing I posted,but any who I would suggest based off the site we use one of these three
Community-16 ( I know not an odd number)
Public-13
Independent-9
I would say 9 because the 16 is even and the survey used more groups for the independent for the 9, than the 13
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Well, those among us with such ability such as Trev, Rai, etc. Should send a mass mail. Other than that. I will scry every village right now and post in the mission hq. Will do so tomorrow to.
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I'll send a mass mail to my Oto minions, and will also spread the word.
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It is appreciated. As an against Kayenta argument, she's using her daughter and what not, the demon one, just to get to me. She usually keeps it's rp in Suna for knowing some disapprove of it(to my knowledge). *points to Konoha*
(might not be true but at least it's how I feel) Rping with her in Konoha, abusing the fact that there are no actual rules against such to do something she knows I hate only to do me harm. Her knowing how I will snap at such, also reported me.
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It is appreciated. As an against Kayenta argument, she's using her daughter and what not, the demon one, just to get to me. She usually keeps it's rp in Suna for knowing some disapprove of it(to my knowledge). *points to Konoha*
(might not be true but at least it's how I feel) Rping with her in Konoha, abusing the fact that there are no actual rules against such to do something she knows I hate only to do me harm. Her knowing how I will snap at such, also reported me.
I saw nothing but harassment. Then, sexual harassment. You do not attack people in public and then try to egg it on by telling other people to do it as well. Your comments were bad enough that they were removed by a moderator and as such, have no right to complain about people rping in a setting that anyone can and will go to.
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I, colorfully, informed the villages and MHQ.
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It is appreciated. As an against Kayenta argument, she's using her daughter and what not, the demon one, just to get to me. She usually keeps it's rp in Suna for knowing some disapprove of it(to my knowledge). *points to Konoha*
(might not be true but at least it's how I feel) Rping with her in Konoha, abusing the fact that there are no actual rules against such to do something she knows I hate only to do me harm. Her knowing how I will snap at such, also reported me.
Rare, stop being childish.
No roleplay never occurred from you just the latter...I was there. =)
I have spoken to you about this and I told you to drop it but if you want to pursue this then by all means go ahead but remember that harassment comes with some unique consequences here and in-game.
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I have the right to complain about anything I want, thank you very much.
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While I myself don't approve of her teleporting as that takes away from Hirashin (Hell I myself have a custom teleport, but it is FAR inferior to the cannon ones)
Any way, you should have stuck to your own guns and voided it and then left it alone and simply ignored it, as Kay is entitled to rp anyway she wants and pleases as long as it doesn't harm anyone.
Though on the other hand Kay is tempting you by doing that in Konoha, though not against any rules.
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It is appreciated. As an against Kayenta argument, she's using her daughter and what not, the demon one, just to get to me. She usually keeps it's rp in Suna for knowing some disapprove of it(to my knowledge). *points to Konoha*
(might not be true but at least it's how I feel) Rping with her in Konoha, abusing the fact that there are no actual rules against such to do something she knows I hate only to do me harm. Her knowing how I will snap at such, also reported me.
Rare, stop being childish.
No roleplay never occurred from you just the latter...I was there. =)
I have spoken to you about this and I told you to drop it but if you want to pursue this then by all means go ahead but remember that harassment comes with some unique consequences.
Hence why I stopped "harassing".
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It is appreciated. As an against Kayenta argument, she's using her daughter and what not, the demon one, just to get to me. She usually keeps it's rp in Suna for knowing some disapprove of it(to my knowledge). *points to Konoha*
(might not be true but at least it's how I feel) Rping with her in Konoha, abusing the fact that there are no actual rules against such to do something she knows I hate only to do me harm. Her knowing how I will snap at such, also reported me.
Rare, stop being childish.
No roleplay never occurred from you just the latter...I was there. =)
I have spoken to you about this and I told you to drop it but if you want to pursue this then by all means go ahead but remember that harassment comes with some unique consequences.
Hence why I stopped "harassing".
BUT!
You brought up the subject once more and in the forums of all things.
My final ultimatum, subject will be dropped now indefinably or face these consequences.
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It is appreciated. As an against Kayenta argument, she's using her daughter and what not, the demon one, just to get to me. She usually keeps it's rp in Suna for knowing some disapprove of it(to my knowledge). *points to Konoha*
(might not be true but at least it's how I feel) Rping with her in Konoha, abusing the fact that there are no actual rules against such to do something she knows I hate only to do me harm. Her knowing how I will snap at such, also reported me.
Rare, stop being childish.
No roleplay never occurred from you just the latter...I was there. =)
I have spoken to you about this and I told you to drop it but if you want to pursue this then by all means go ahead but remember that harassment comes with some unique consequences.
Hence why I stopped "harassing".
BUT!
You brought up the subject once more and in the forums of all things.
My final ultimatum, subject will be dropped now indefinably or face these consequences.
Ssshhh..
AND WE MOVE ON. 'Cause, you know, I kindly asked we refrain from this. L'est I gotta report the lot of you to hush yer traps like I said I would.
So, I also send word for it to my clan/village and made the thread. Do me the favor of linking it in the pm you send, please.
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I sent it before! Making me spend my hard earned gold :evil: but will do
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I Think that just locking the poll once it is completed would be best. Screen shots can be edited. I would be comfortable with Ace collecting votes if that is something he would wish to do. Surely that won' tbe required? Do you seriously think that it will? maybe so, but then I have always been more trusting of people than I should be.
I don' t like the idea of it being deleted later. That is why the lock feature exists anyway so why not just use it?
And polls can be fixed to stop abuse as per ISP. Of course in my case that would rob my household of votes. but as per the rules of SL, shared ISPs can't be differentiated and so if I get a ban for something my whole house gets one. And that is just the way it is and cannot be helped.
In my household there are 5 legit distinct votes that will be reduced to only one vote.
I am not running for the council as the political life is not for me.
As per today's RP with Nayeli. Something I tried to enjoy and people tried to ruin...
well for the first time in 6 years Nayeli had a father to RP with. And I wish to thank everyone who tried to ruin it for me.
I won't be seeking offices of power. but you can believe I will be watching to make certain you are ethical.
and that is function enough for me.
I am reverting to my old ways. I am here for the RP. Expect to see me everywhere. It is a big world. I shall be respectful to all, but I won't be bending over for anyone to take it up the behind either. Additionally, Nayeli lives in Kiri. Kaizer lives in Suna. I have never avoided rping anywhere because I thought it would annoy someone. Konoha suited the needs of the RP so that is where it was held. It has been and will continue to be my personal goal to increase RP on every board.
and there it is in black and white folks.
now play fair.
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2 days is not time enough to get the word out.
You know The Tsuchikage didn't even realize you had thrown away the old council until I just sent him the link to the nominations thread!!!!!
We need at least 1 week for nominations in order to get the word out. There are very active players here who do not come on for 2 days sometimes and the could very well miss out. One week may even be too short a time.
Goodness. If you are going to try and do an election then proper time needs to be put into it.
is there some huge rush to push this through for some reason? Certainly the bijuu situation can be dealt with as is until a proper election can be held. You propose to make HUGE changes to the RP of SL.
And this bijuu council was only supposed to be for thing Bijuu. not for RP over the whole site.
do this right gentlemen or not at all.
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When the poll is made. Should we leave the "keep old council?" option? Or can we all agree that a number of 9 elected by the population is way better suited.
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Hmm. good question. better keep the old council as an option. Just because you are holding an election for a new council doesn't mean people want one, you know? Those are my thoughts.
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Good point.
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Well if we were to even consider keeping the old council, it would need to be edited. As some kages have been taken off and like in Pete's case some may not want it
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Pete doesn't? :evil:
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certainly. But that can occur after it is decided. New council or old council. Then who serves on each.
I kind of think that who ever wishes to serve should be considered. Like I did when I added up the names of those who were eligible by the old standard. I listed all eligible I could get people to recall had been kage or host, then asked each to say if they wished to serve or not. I indicated where one was already counted so it would still just be one vote.
anyway...see what people think by adding that option to the poll. to keep the old one I mean. And I don't know...maybe just merge the two in the end. There will be many duplicates anyway.
but it should be done by open consensus if a change is desired. Not by the buddy system.
I believe Pierre said he did not wish to serve. It is in the discussion threads pages ago.
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Makaze is me, Pete. But I was unaware that someone put me as a council. Who the hell did that?
Edit: Well, just for future reference, I'm not taking a council seat -- and never planned to. Please exclude my name from the list. I'm just here to give my input and make suggestions.
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Alright so I didn't feel like reading through all 26 pages (I got through the first 10 then decided that I'm too lazy to read through the rest) so what I'm going to say may have already been decided on but I wanted to put in my idea. It's in reference to whether or not people can flee during a fight. I would say that yes they should be allowed to flee, but if they do so there should be some consequences. I will first state the consequences for each person and then state the RP justifications.
If the Jinchuuriki flees:
Should the host try to flee instead of losing their Bijuu, since in terms of RP that doesn't make much sense, they would lose their ability to use any Bijuu abilities they have attained up to that point. They would also be unable to train in Bijuu abilities again for 1 month. If they flee from a second fight, assuming they still have the Bjiuu, then they would be unable to train again for 2 months. Fleeing from a third fight would cause them to then lose their Bijuu completely. Not just lose the ability to use it but it would actually be removed from them.
RP Justification:
Bijuu can be seen as raw destructive force. They live for destruction and combat. When their host decides to flee it goes against how the Bijuu are naturally. This causes friction between the two. This causes the Bijuu to no longer want to cooperate with their host. The 1 month period will be the time it takes for the host and the Bijuu to repair their partnership. After a second time the Bijuu would be even more upset with their host and thus it would take longer to repair this partnership. As stated before the Bijuu will want to continue fighting, so when the host flees the Bjiuu will be upset and will try and break free from the host. This will cause damage to the seal holding the Bijuu in the host. The first 2 times the host flees the seal is weakened but doesn't break. The third time the host flees the seal will be weak enough that the Bijuu will break out and remove itself from the host. Now I know we don't want Bijuu roaming free so we can say that when it removes itself from its host it doesn't have enough power to maintain a living form, having just used it's power to break free from it's old host, so to avoid dying it is looking for a stronger willed vessel. That being the case it will seal itself within the opponent that caused the original host to flee for the third time.
Challenger Fleeing:
Should a challenger flee from a fight against a Jinchuuriki they will be unable to challenge anyone for a Bijuu for 2 months. They will also not be allowed to obtain a Bijuu by other means (such as someone gifting it to them) for these 2 months.
RP Justification:
The battle against the Jinchuuriki will have terrified them to the point that they won't be able to mentally handle another confrontation with the Bijuu in any form until they have done a decent amount of extra training.
Like I said I don't know if another solution was given for fleeing since I skipped a lot of the thread but there is my idea on that. You can love it or you can hate it. Just trying to make it feel more natural instead of just saying "Running away isn't allowed and if you do you just lose your Bijuu because the almighty powers of the Universe say so."
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I agree with most of that. Save for the challenger fleeing. The loss should be equivalent on both sides.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6977.0.html
Just in case the info did not reach you.
(http://images.wikia.com/wikiality/images/c/cb/UNCLE_PEDOBEAR_by_Lemon_of_Doom.jpg)
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I've been busy yesterday with my niece, but i'm back now.
I have no problem voting in public, no one should get offended if they don't get voted for. The council doesn't make you popular it's simply to keep establishment and control over Bijū challenges and rules, nothing more.
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I've been busy yesterday with my niece, but i'm back now.
I have no problem voting in public, no one should get offended if they don't get voted for. The council doesn't make you popular it's simply to keep establishment and control over Bijū challenges and rules, nothing more.
Actually... it kinda does, I'm already that though. :D
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Make you popular? This is a bijū council so I know you have to be regerring to popularity. xD
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Might (Guy) Jolt is here! 8)
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You know I notice that when I do something I am jumped on with both feet and told how horrible I am.
When I do something good the result is the same.
but you let someone else do the same thing and no one says a word about it. And mostly it is the people complaining about me who are the ones doing it.
I had a good idea and posted it in an appropriate place. yet get lambasted for it.
Yet rares can just spam the same thread and no one says a word about it.
I believe enough is enough already and you all need to lay off of me. I am not pleased by the level of harassment that is dished out to me on a daily basis and how it just seems to be fine and dandy with everyone too.
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I'm included in that speech?
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I never said anything with negative remarks Kay, just gave you the proper place to put it. Not everyone has -100 hostility towards you, though in your position from what's been going on it may seem that way.
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Did I name names?
And you know what nerks me too?
You can't say the bijuu council thread was inactive. It isn't the...what was it called...Polygamists unite thread...for crying out loud. I t was a COUNCIL. Created to be permanent.
A place where all bijuu discussions were to take place. A pinned topic to be used over and over again each time things needed to be talked about.
The whole reason, it seems to me, that the council thread was not used based on it being inactive is just plain idocy.
And how many times has this been explained? And yet is any of this occurring where it was supposed to? For pete's sake, Kamui even closed the thread and another NEW one was started rather than use the council thread.
Do you not see how this all looks to me? Lame excuses to get rid of the council and just highjack the system.
had I not jumped stiff legged in the air we wouldn't even be getting an election process.
And that includes if a new council should be made and the old one thrown out to begin with. That decision needs to be made by general concerns rather than the boys club just making it so and trying to pull a fast one.
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Did I name names?
And you know what nerks me too?
You can't say the bijuu council thread was inactive. It isn't the...what was it called...Polygamists unite thread...for crying out loud. I t was a COUNCIL. Created to be permanent.
A place where all bijuu discussions were to take place. A pinned topic to be used over and over again each time things needed to be talked about.
The whole reason, it seems to me, that the council thread was not used based on it being inactive is just plain idocy.
And how many times has this been explained? And yet is any of this occurring where it was supposed to? For pete's sake, Kamui even closed the thread and another NEW one was started rather than use the council thread.
Do you not see how this all looks to me? Lame excuses to get rid of the council and just highjack the system.
had I not jumped stiff legged in the air we wouldn't even be getting an election process.
And that includes if a new council should be made and the old one thrown out to begin with. That decision needs to be made by general concerns rather than the boys club just making it so and trying to pull a fast one.
I already asked, kindly, to please stop doing posts like these. It simply stirs things that were running smoothly.
You suggested, over and over, we do polls -- fine, we broke down and decided to cooperate.
You suggested we spread the word so more people can have access to being part of a council. Fine, we broke down and we sent the message every way we could.
Now, please, avoid making posts like this that simply say how unjustified the world is and how every fly in the world decided to buzz around you instead of elsewhere.
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You know I notice that when I do something I am jumped on with both feet and told how horrible I am.
When I do something good the result is the same.
but you let someone else do the same thing and no one says a word about it. And mostly it is the people complaining about me who are the ones doing it.
I had a good idea and posted it in an appropriate place. yet get lambasted for it.
Yet rares can just spam the same thread and no one says a word about it.
I believe enough is enough already and you all need to lay off of me. I am not pleased by the level of harassment that is dished out to me on a daily basis and how it just seems to be fine and dandy with everyone too.
Regardless, what will we do with the time limit? Leave it 2 days or make it a week. We did a pretty good job distributing the information, yes, this includes Kayenta. So the only ones harmed by the small amount of time are those that are being inactive at the given time. Needless to say that the council will accept members it deems as worthy and needed by majority after it is formed.
Some might say it's unfair to go with the two day thing but it's really not. Everyone is given 48 hours to apply and the message was well spread by "us".
I will be more than joyed when it is proven that the old council was disregarded by most if it is not obvious yet. And this time my "most" will be represented by a poll.
You keep complaining about being a victim to a harassment of sorts, you're doing the very same thing. Your post contained at least 3 accusations towards a small-medium group of people.
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2 day poll is enough time. Teaches those to be active when needed also.
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I already asked, kindly, to please stop doing posts like these. It simply stirs things that were running smoothly.
You suggested, over and over, we do polls -- fine, we broke down and decided to cooperate.
You suggested we spread the word so more people can have access to being part of a council. Fine, we broke down and we sent the message every way we could.
Now, please, avoid making posts like this that simply say how unjustified the world is and how every fly in the world decided to buzz around you instead of elsewhere.
Why does it take a break down for you to do what is right?
And I have asked time and time again to be treated decently. Call it what you will, I am not out of line by expecting that to occur. Rather than jump on me Raifudo you should be stopping those who continue to target me every time I open my mouth. But no...you just jump on board and add your tones to the choir.
When I am no longer treated like shit around here I will be most happy to stop complaining about it. Until then, you reap what is sown or I get banned for defending myself publicly when I am publicly attacked.
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Maybe I said shouldn't when I was supposed to say please? Either way, it's not that serious to think your being attacked with everything you do.
So we can move along with the situation everyone is here for, the voting.
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Notice how you're starting it, Kay. Everyone makes suggestions so easily and so kindly.
"Maybe this.."
"Maybe that.."
"I think this would be.."
It's all it takes.
Yet, you, instead, decide to publicize how everyone is attacking you -- everyone.
I already asked, kindly, to please stop doing posts like these. It simply stirs things that were running smoothly.
You suggested, over and over, we do polls -- fine, we broke down and decided to cooperate.
You suggested we spread the word so more people can have access to being part of a council. Fine, we broke down and we sent the message every way we could.
Now, please, avoid making posts like this that simply say how unjustified the world is and how every fly in the world decided to buzz around you instead of elsewhere.
Why does it take a break down for you to do what is right?
And I have asked time and time again to be treated decently. Call it what you will, I am not out of line by expecting that to occur. Rather than jump on me Raifudo you should be stopping those who continue to target me every time I open my mouth. But no...you just jump on board and add your tones to the choir.
When I am no longer treated like shit around here I will be most happy to stop complaining about it. Until then, you reap what is sown or I get banned for defending myself publicly when I am publicly attacked.
You're not making suggestions, you're simply defending yourself from nothing.
"Hey, how come when I said it...!"
"Hey, how come he can...!"
I'm already reporting you. I asked on multiple occasions you refrain from posts like these and you're simply lighting the fire even more. I told you I want none of this banter from anyone - Rares, that means you too: Shut up. If she posts something, let her post it. It'll just get erased as requested by me from the moderators.
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I think that it is me who has seen each and every single one of the attack from here all the way to public boards on SL and pms about the realm to me and my friends that I am the best judge of how much is too much.
You just got caught in the cross fire Jolt and that is unfortunate. I have said what I have said and am done.
These things ARE happening and it is a BIG DEAL.
Rares...I nearly posted this but telling people what a cunt I am is not a little thing. You think these things don't get back to me? You thin you have people fooled with your nobility act? And all the others things you have been doing since what?
Since I told you my mother was in the ER and didn't feel like playing the 27th round of 'lets attack Kay for having demon children' that day. What a horrible crime it was to EXPECT from my own brother to be given a break while I was dealing with that. And not one word to ask how she was or anything. Just instant attacks that haven't stopped since they began. And I am telling you I have had more than a belly full of it.
and here we are.
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Exactly around what time will the poll begin Rai?
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Tomorrow some time around noon PST.
I'll try and figure out what time that is server time.
Edit:
It's -7; so, server time will be 8 pm for my noon.
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I'll be aware when it starts. But that will need to be spread throught the villages, clans, ect. To allow those who haven't logged in yet or doesn't know what's going on to at least vote. I look forward to the time you set though.
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I already asked, kindly, to please stop doing posts like these. It simply stirs things that were running smoothly.
You suggested, over and over, we do polls -- fine, we broke down and decided to cooperate.
You suggested we spread the word so more people can have access to being part of a council. Fine, we broke down and we sent the message every way we could.
Now, please, avoid making posts like this that simply say how unjustified the world is and how every fly in the world decided to buzz around you instead of elsewhere.
Why does it take a break down for you to do what is right?
And I have asked time and time again to be treated decently. Call it what you will, I am not out of line by expecting that to occur. Rather than jump on me Raifudo you should be stopping those who continue to target me every time I open my mouth. But no...you just jump on board and add your tones to the choir.
When I am no longer treated like shit around here I will be most happy to stop complaining about it. Until then, you reap what is sown or I get banned for defending myself publicly when I am publicly attacked.
Well... it would be way too much work on my behalf to go quote them all, but ever since Raifudo questioned your claiming/reclaiming of your Nibi, an average of 80% of your posts contained attacks towards one or more people. I believe it started with "YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT UP" being directed at Rai for calmly pointing out what he deemed to be an error in your claim. If you expect people to lay off you, don't provoke them. You took my "I suggest you don't post here" as an attack. You felt the need to point out that I also posted other than my candidature while I already stated that I shared the same quilt. From this point on, to avoid any issues arising, I will try my hardest to ignore every single post you make on here and on SL regardless of what it is. That way, you can cease accusing me of "harassment".
Edit: Sorry Rai, didn't see your post in due time.
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yeah that'll work. because apologizing for being a nasty dog is way out of line.
It was all just another example of people thinking they knew what they were talking about. I did nothing wrong with the Nibi. And you all were freaking out so sure that I was. You act lie I am some green horn RPer or something. That My GOAL in life is to see how I can be unfair and get away with murder.
And when I am accused of those things then I am gonna stand up for myself. And then when you attack me for daring to defend myself I will do so again and again and again.
I don't need watch dogged to ensure that my RP is legit.
But tell me how your body became invulnerable to fire again? It is beyond me that there exists a substance on earth that fire can't harm in one way or another. No matter how hot it gets it comes out squeaky clean.
My point there is you have some nerve finding fault with my RP and accusing me of all the things you have done when your character is so obviously flawed and unreal.
And yet for some reason I am viewed as the hypocrite here.
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GI is interestes about how many council members there will.be. I apologize in advance if such information was already given. Just did not want to sift through the mud slinging for relevant info.
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Seats opened: 9
May be accepting or removing members later due to various reasons.
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Well, regardless of how many members there are, let's make sure that what's going on here does not happen with the chosen council members. It's unproductive and pretty much creates bad blood between members of SL while ruining the images of all parties involved.
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That's part of being removed which Rare just stated.
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To sum up things. Will only the votes count? Or will we be posting suggestions of multiple people (max 9)? One may have a favorite or so but might just as well have an opinion on 9 people that should be in the council.
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I say just the vote should count, as saying all nine defeats the purpose of polling as we could just say it, just my opinion though.
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I agree with most of that. Save for the challenger fleeing. The loss should be equivalent on both sides.
Yea I was having a hard time coming up with what could be done about challengers. Does anyone have any suggestions? We could say that if they run a second time they must wait 4 months before challenging again and if they run a third time they aren't allowed to challenge for a Bijuu ever again. RP justification would be after the second time the flee they have an even greater fear of the Bijuu and after the third they fear the power so much that it becomes a lifetime fear. That would mean they would never be able to be a Jinchuuriki.
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You're very harsh on your punishments. Think of a 3 month sentence that you can't fight.
How long must you wait to challenge the same host if they run?
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Well the original idea was claiming them as dead i.e. banning them from bijuu fights from the first time. Well then.... perhaps it is to be discussed after we get passed the council elections.
I think we already said before that the host would auto lose if it ran.
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I agree with Rare, everything discussed here should be talked about when the official council is in place and a vote can be taken upon it.
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Yeah, the original idea was for them to be dead. Also, no exagerrated or un-legit ressurections.
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But to give a better idea in regards to the reason why punishment is supposed to be drastic:
That rule is meant to by all means stop fleeing, and as such, the challenger should be forever banned from challenges and the jinchuriki should lose the bijuu, perhaps with the same consequence of the challenger added.
Now, that was just to give the general reasoning revolving around that rule, otherwise, the 3 months or w/e could be viewed as "hmmm... well if I get killed... he might also seal me away, leaving me no legit way to come back w/o his will. Of course I'll run! It's just 3 months!"
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The voting...
We will be using nice votes, one for each candidate we wish to elect? Additionally. we will have the option to just keep the council as is? Will that have to be two separate polls? Or can that be set up as follows...
Do you wish a new council?
if no...then you are done.
is yes then cast one vote for each of the nine nominees you wish to see serve.
and then boxes of the names below this.
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On the list of nominees, why is Raifudo listed as 0) and the total are only 25 rather than 26 as of this time?
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You can only vote for 1.
Edit:Reason I suggested otherwise a while back is due to the fact that since there are 9 seats, each should be voted upon.
Personally, I'd either suggest that we have people post their list of 9, of course they can also just go for 1 if that is their will.
That or hold 9 consecutive polls. First election, subtract winner, second election subtract winner, etc. But both of those seem like a lot of work.
As a third idea, we could have 9 polls at the same time:
Seat 1, seat 2, seat 3, etc. And at the end we just calculate how much each has in total. The reason this would be a bad idea is because the same person could vote for the same person 9 times.
The optimal way was bolded.
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Ideally I wanted votes to be casted publicly, that way an easy process of voting can be established. Everyone posts their suggested 9 council selections, this way some people who have more than one choice that they would want depicting their challenges and others, their choice if they place a reason for which one or not. Some people would just simply rather keep their votes a secret, but Yūmei suggested 'those' people send their votes to someone else for them to place their unknown votes.
A 2 Day election could still be done, also i'm not saying to change the poll voting to this way, just a Suggestion.
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The issue with that is... well I am estimating somewhere among 100 voters if not more. Just who wants to go count 900+ votes? Even if willing, a human is bound to make errors and many of us are not trusted by at least a select few, and as such, we don't have enough full trusted people to distribute the work so that one doesn't take more than he can chew.
Which is why I am going with 9 consecutive polls being the best. Other than the winner the prior one would have no effect on the next.
As for me being partly against of the 1 vote/person: we have 9 seats, not just 1. It's unfair for those that wouldn't be anyone's favorite but would still make it in most lists.
I am confident in my election regardless of what way we go, I just want this to be fair for everybody.
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I'm pretty sure someone is spamming through pm's bribing for votes. >_>
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If you have an idea such as that and if anyone does for that matter, not having the poll as you suggested, i.e. public is the best way to go about it. People still get to vote with who they want and if anything, they get dp for something the culprit can not check.
I figured it would be an average of 20 from each great village+ others. Hence my estimation.
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Don't ya love chatting with Ace? :P
Although I'm not involved in any of this per say, polling has been my concern and I've been making it known.
What is happening here is inevitable. Either the new changes will be made, or changes will not be made, but a poll will occur- best to make that fair.
I do see problems with the nine polls, but I rather not say because that might help to depict polling problems which members might not know about hence increasing the chance of abuse.
But yeah....
Isn't it great to see more members on this damn forum?
I'm pretty sure someone is spamming through pm's bribing for votes. >_>
And it's not against the "rules" to ask people to vote for ya, is it?
If members feel like accepting bribes (DP and such, of course some bribes are good, most are bad...), well it's unfortunate, but no way to prevent that.
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And I did do something that might go as a bribe, unintentionally. I decided to get some kicks out of it, and rp'd giving out t-shirts in the mission hq. Someone asked me for 250dp and I told them to either make a post in the mission hq about supporting me(just to fuel my fun initiative) or pay me back in 2 weeks or so. I actually do give dp when I have a lot and beggars come to me or as a humor like thing but that is rather rare since not that many cases arise in which it is funny to give out dp. Just putting it out there. I wanna be transparent. :D
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I'm pretty sure someone is spamming through pm's bribing for votes. >_>
And it's not against the "rules" to ask people to vote for ya, is it?
If members feel like accepting bribes (DP and such, of course some bribes are good, most are bad...), well it's unfortunate, but no way to prevent that.
It isn't, but where exactly did you get the point that I said it was? I wasn't serious about it, hence the jokingly [>_>]
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I'm pretty sure someone is spamming through pm's bribing for votes. >_>
And it's not against the "rules" to ask people to vote for ya, is it?
If members feel like accepting bribes (DP and such, of course some bribes are good, most are bad...), well it's unfortunate, but no way to prevent that.
It isn't, but where exactly did you get the point that I said it was? I wasn't serious about it, hence the jokingly [>_>]
That emote does not usually stand for "joking" comments- as far as I can see how people use it.
And you may think emotions are crystal clear when typing on a keyboard, even when using emotes which might not mean what it is supposed to, BUT it's not. :P
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Feels the love of Ace crystal clear every time they talk. >>
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Two entirely different people see different views on the same thing, that's all it was.
But we can continue with the poll voting.
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Please try to decide on a final polling method soon.
Depending on what the members say, well...they might expect to see another name on that list.
And in turn, one more name after that name.
And Kay is right in that the sign-ups should not be open for only two days. I was meaning to say something, but thought I'd wait and see if someone else did.
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I already said why just 1 poll is wrong.
My final and best suggestion is: 9 consecutive polls, the only relation between them is that the winner from the first is not in the second and so on.
If needed.... we could make a poll on how to... make the poll. xD
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I already said why just 1 poll is wrong.
My final and best suggestion is: 9 consecutive polls, the only relation between them is that the winner from the first is not in the second and so on.
If needed.... we could make a poll on how to... make the poll. xD
I heard you like polls so we are having polls for your polls. :o
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Another alternative save for the 1 poll thing I see as wrong since we have 9 seats not just 1 and for my 9 consecutive polls.
Also, Ace is willing to help, is trusted, lacks personal interest and/or grudges, etc. He will, if asked by us, count the votes that will be sent to him via pm with the aid of another third party. You can vote for one or all 9 or somewhere between. This would be great cause IP can be checked on SL that way and it removes potential abuses.
So we have:
1) 1 single poll, one vote per person in spite of having 9 seats.
2) 9 consecutive polls.
3) Ace along with another third party member(chosen by him) will be handling the votes sent to him via SL pm.
Should I actually make a poll? Dx
As for the application time.... since some say 2 days, others 7... how about 4 to be fair. xD Or do we need to poll that to? xD
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We could just do 1 poll where each person gets 9 choices.
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That would be nice if possible. >> But to my knowledge it is not.
Also, to my knowledge, more expressed their will for 2 days than 1 week. And as said, not a real issue since it's not like we will be set in stone in the retrospect that members may be kicked out or allowed in.
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It's possible to give as many votes decided by the person who started the poll, but not possible to limit the vote from being cast for someone only once.
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And there we have our issue, if even so. :o
So yeah, 1 2 3 would stay as our options.
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So that's why that method doesn't work well. Many people are fine with the poll more than any other way, so to easy everyone or tension we will do a poll.
9 consecutive polls could work, but I doubt each poll will get the exact same votes as some might only want to vote once due to laziness, just a highly chanced assumption. It could still work that way, but it wouldn't be fair.
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So you suggest with the one vote only thing? :/ I and several others don't see that as fair with 9 open seats. But oh well, we'll see what happens. Worse comes to worst, we hold a poll on what poll to take. xD
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I'd hate that. :shock:
But sadly, both methods are un fair, but the 9 polls gives more than one option so it would have to do.
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The third is by no means unfair in any retrospect. Lacks the issues of the first two.
To fully clarify my issue. Picture the big letters as players. I will only give 2 options instead of 9.
First option is the favorite.
Voter #1
A
B
#2
A
B
#3
A
B
#4
A
B
#5
C
A
If we have a 1 vote only poll, C wins before B. Doesn't seem fair.
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I don't have a problem with that.
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If that's the case it seems I am just making an issue where such does not exist. I don't wanna pass as one of "those" people so if most are still okay with the 1 vote poll, so be it. As said, am confident about it either way, just felt it was unfair for the acknowledged with no "fans".
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I move for a thread for candidates to post why they wish to be a referee, and what qualities, experience, etc they can bring to being such a referee. If people like what they see, they might vote for that person. I mean, there are possibly a half dozen candidates or more who could do the job well, and I have no clue who they are, other then they went 'I sign up'.
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Why not just make that thread? :o
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Initiative, will do Mr. Uchiha Bear~
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*loverz that title* x3
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suggests just pming votes of 9 names you vote for to Ace here and a general hand count upon his part.
That preserves secrecy and prevents alt voting.
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Well... with 4 people agreeing to that method in total...(to my knowledge) my jk about a poll for how we poll is a jk no longer...
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So.. something about a kind poll we were gonna do?
Was at the zoo all day visiting my family and whatnot.
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Was at the zoo all day visiting my family and whatnot.
That can lead to a bad interpretation Bross. >>
1) 1 single poll, one vote per person in spite of having 9 seats. (people should be able to vote on all 9 seats if they so wish)
2) 9 consecutive polls. (will take too long)
Both of the above leave place for alt abuse, etc.
3) Ace along with another third party member(chosen by him) will be handling the votes sent to him via SL pm. (lacks all 3 issues as Ace and his companion will be able to check for IP if done on SL via pm)
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Those Komodos. <3 Love those darn reptiles.
You realize polls can be used to assign one vote per a single option, yet have 9 votes allowed?
Meaning:
A
B
C
D
E
F
G
H
I
All those are candidates. I assigned 9 votes per person, so they can vote for A-I once, but still vote for all of them. Likewise, once they vote, they post who they voted for or they can PM someone here on SL forums (as you said: Ace) to go over and see if every vote is accounted for. Dunno, sounds like a pain in the neck to count all those names.
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Ace is willing though. :o
Well, regardless, I'm fine with any way that won't lead us to having:
Raifudo: 1773 votes
The rest: 0 >>;
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Nah, lots of people dislike me. :D
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Your karma says otherwise! :D Wait.... no it doesn't. >>;
So yeah, I'll be hoping and looking forward to a method that allows 9 votes w/o a player placing 9 votes on one candidate.
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I know how you plan to make that poll, didn't work out when I tried. Maybe it'll be different since Ace staff here (Not saying he would do it or is able to). I actually forgot about that so it could possibly work for you. I've been staff of a forum before and, depending on what type of provisions you're given, such is possible.
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What of it worries you?
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Being given 9 votes to cast, and being unable to vote for the same person twice. I know you're able to gibe out 9 votes each, but if the forum settings were changed to stop people from voting for the same person more than once, then ideally we could do one poll.
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I don't think the system allow the voter to vote for the same option more than once. I'm more worried about voters cheating by using alt forum accounts to vote multiple times.
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It does, or at least it did. But that to is a problem.
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I doubt the system would suddenly be changed to allow multiple voting for the same person by the same person.
Likewise, that's why I said we post who we voted for -- the problem there lies in secrecy and anonymity. The suggested to mend it was to message Ace to keep tally. That way we can double check the polls.
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So yeah. Those that don't care much about their vote's secrecy post it and those that wanna stay hidden pm Ace on SL.
And so, we are ensured that no one vote more times than they should have. :P Problem solved. :D
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Yes, I mentioned that method again after Rare stated Yūmei suggested it. But not to make it seem like were the ones who would make such voting, the others who are on the forum should be looking over this thread and see this as well, hopefully we don't have a problem with others not wanting to do it this way.
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We can just add the rules in the poll description. >>
I'll use my mythical "most agree" and huzzah! :D
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So, even though were 'not confirmed' sending them to Ace, shall we just begin sending votes now for those who want to?
Edit.
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Most certainly not. The voting starts when the poll does.
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The poll started about 2 day's ago. Remember, I know I voted for redberry. xD
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>_>
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Postponing the poll for another day so we can get the word out to vote tomorrow.
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*denies! D:<*
Anyway!
Here is how I think the desc of the poll should be:
Pm your votes to Ace via SL after voting on the forum poll. Please try to keep the two identical, otherwise you votes may be canceled.
If by chance, anyone opposes this idea, it's just so we don't need to make two different polls. So long as people can vote for 1-9 things, keeping things the way they were being an option, we need to know the exact number of people that have voted.
For example: 20 people voted, and there are 11 votes for keeping things the way they were but 120 votes in total, we'd end up keeping things the way they were. Otherwise, it would be unfair for the mention option to require up to 9 times more votes just to match.
This is also done so that we can remove the alt issue from the matter.
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Alrighty.
If messages will be sent to me, I will make sure through the system that alts are not voting.
Of course, even if a household may have multiple members, to be fair to all, it will count as one vote.
For an account to truly be unique, everything will be taken account (not only IP, there is more).
Also, anything posted on the forum, will not be subject to any "verifications" or any checks.
After I've received all of the messages, like I said, I'll see if any "same" people voted, those will be kicked out.
And I will then post in the new poll thread that will be created the votes- one post each for each message.
If need be, they can be forwarded to a third party for verification.
Though like I said, anything that is not sent to me, I can't do anything about.
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Acey-kins is so pretty. <3
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Alrighty.
If messages will be sent to me, I will make sure through the system that alts are not voting.
Of course, even if a household may have multiple members, to be fair to all, it will count as one vote.
For an account to truly be unique, everything will be taken account (not only IP, there is more).
Also, anything posted on the forum, will not be subject to any "verifications" or any checks.
After I've received all of the messages, like I said, I'll see if any "same" people voted, those will be kicked out.
And I will then post in the new poll thread that will be created the votes- one post each for each message.
If need be, they can be forwarded to a third party for verification.
Though like I said, anything that is not sent to me, I can't do anything about.
Hence why I stated that they should write down their SL name when posting who they voted for. That way you could check. But oh well, in order to not make your work any harder, we should have them all pm you the votes via SL. I will reedit my desk suggestion. Making it both a poll and pm Ace thingy seems best. That way, Ace just has to check the ip and what not while not needing to count hundreds of votes. :P
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Do the members have to vote for nine people?
Or are they allowed to vote for five, or six...?
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I would prefer that if they are voting to get a new council that they vote for 9 people.
A full vote or why bother?
Sure like any elections you may wind up voting for the lesser of evils once your favs are out of the way, but that is just the way it is sometimes.
Should we add a none of the above category? A lets have no council option? I have heard many people saying they think a council will just make things worse.
Not my opinion but it is out there.
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People shouldn't be forced to vote for more than they want nor should they be obliged to choose "lesser evils". Some may as well strategize to vote for their favorite while not contributing to the votes of others. There may be also those that know of 5 of the listed as being great and worthy but never hearing of the rest. That's just my opinion. Otherwise, you oblige people to contribute to the votes of people they don't even want or vote for some with poor judgement or while being ignorant of them.
To sum it up, I don't think that those that have not earned the favor of people i.e. are not wished by them, should not get voted by them.
I don't think adding a "no council" option would represent any issue at all. It would simply need to be calculated in the same way as the "keep old council".
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I'm sure not everyone will use all 9 votes, I stated that about the poll before a few pages back. It won't be a issue if they don't use all of their votes.
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I'd have to agree with not forcing people to use all of their votes. Speaking from my personal position there are many people that are listed that I'm not familiar with. That being the case I wouldn't want to pick someone at random just because I have to use all my votes. That wouldn't end up being a very representative list in my opinion.
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Everyone won't use all of their votes even IF we said you must. You can't help the fact that they won't and what Kite stated is a good enough reason for them not to. The clear idea is for them to vote for who they want and not someone randomly. The council can add or remove those they see will be a great influence being seated within once established (if needed), or they can remove those who are unfit to be seated, general election within the council once it's made.
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Do we send them to Ace via SL or Forums?
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SL, easier for Ace that way.
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So what you are saying is that once this council is formed, the public will never again have a voice about who is upon it? That in the future the council will elect its own members?
That sounds like a sure way for it to turn into an elite body of buddies rather than a body that the people wish to see serve on the council.
IF that is to be the case then we just as well not even bothered with this election in the first place.
Additionally. Each nominee only gets one vote? IF I don't use all my votes for 9 people that does not mean I can take my left over votes and put them all on one or two people.
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Kayenta raises a valid point in her own way. How/if will new members be elected in time, if say one retires/is found abusing his position?
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So what you are saying is that once this council is formed, the public will never again have a voice about who is upon it? That in the future the council will elect its own members?
That sounds like a sure way for it to turn into an elite body of buddies rather than a body that the people wish to see serve on the council.
Not sure where that was said, BUT this council should be subject to this voting system every X amount of time. =)
All the groundwork is done for future elections. And this can occur after every X amount of months, simple I think.
Since the members and the views are not static, almost anything should be subject to change.
IF that is to be the case then we just as well not even bothered with this election in the first place.
Additionally. Each nominee only gets one vote? IF I don't use all my votes for 9 people that does not mean I can take my left over votes and put them all on one or two people.
Also, leftover votes (say you vote for only 2 people and have 7 remaining), should be for voting for different people. If you cannot do so, then simply vote twice for the people you know or like, and that's it (no person should be voted for twice by one person).
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Everyone won't use all of their votes even IF we said you must. You can't help the fact that they won't and what Kite stated is a good enough reason for them not to. The clear idea is for them to vote for who they want and not someone randomly. The council can add or remove those they see will be a great influence being seated within once established (if needed), or they can remove those who are unfit to be seated, general election within the council once it's made.
Ace. It was this statement I was referring to about the established council, if it is voted in, having the future power to put in and remove members. I prefer to see it work as you have stated concerning periodic elections as required.
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Ah, well that defeats the purpose of voting, or acting as if this is democratic.
There should be disagreements with the council, all members shouldn't agree all the time.
If the members have elected an "unfit" candidate, then in the next election they can remove him/her.
The members will know who is doing the job that is best for them, and who is not- I could not stress activity enough here. Usually, many tend to forget to have an effective site, activity is crucial. If the person is doing little work or is inactive, choose someone else!
I'm sure members have noticed so far that I'm not engaging in the role play aspect, since I truly do not actively role play.
But, I'll be here to provide thoughts on the technical aspects per say.
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SL.
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Just a clarifying question/post here because this discussion has been very hard to follow.
The voting begins when?
We only send our voted to Ace on SL or post something here too?
How long does the voting last?
And everyone will be spaming all over to encourage people to vote?
because of the last I wish to have my facts straight so as not to confuse the process more.
I suggest when pming people to go and vote that we include the list of nominees in that pm.
If all clan heads would send out clan mails that would help a great deal.
Thanks!
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Elections will be done with people, but does this mean the people who aren't in the council get's to decide who is and will be in the council...democracy? The council is not to govern the entire SL, just Bijū affiliated matters.
Edit: Yes, that's how it should be once the voting commences. Kay...handshake? >>
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Just a clarifying question/post here because this discussion has been very hard to follow.
The voting begins when?
We only send our voted to Ace on SL or post something here too?
How long does the voting last?
And everyone will be spaming all over to encourage people to vote?
because of the last I wish to have my facts straight so as not to confuse the process more.
I suggest when pming people to go and vote that we include the list of nominees in that pm.
If all clan heads would send out clan mails that would help a great deal.
Thanks!
Voting begins today. I told the realm, every way I could, today was voting day and, 2-3 days before, I had informed the realm, every way I could, to sign up for council if they wanted to.
Send our votes to Ace so he can verify IP addresses, etc.
Voting, I'm guessing, should last the same 3 days it took for people to sign up.
I already informed people, and told others to inform others, that the voting begins today.
Not sure where that was said, BUT this council should be subject to this voting system every X amount of time. =)
All the groundwork is done for future elections. And this can occur after every X amount of months, simple I think.
Since the members and the views are not static, almost anything should be subject to change.
I tried asking how we can edit members, and the like, but to no avail. I suppose we can just rely on the governing bodies (council) to decide how long is long enough for people to be within the body.
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Ok thanks.
This will be the body of the text I shall be spamming people with to vote.
Hello!
It was deemed necessary to elect a bijuu council to govern all things bijuu related. What follows will be a list of the nominees who wish to run for a seat on this council.
In the meantime, you only have three days to send your vote to Ace on SL via pm. He will be moderating the election to ensure things are handled properly and in a timely fashion.
The council will hold 9 seats. So you can vote for 9 names to serve or less than that depending upon how many of candidates you feel are qualified and will do a good job. You may not vote for a person more than one time.
Thank you for you interest and participation in this event. We hope that this council will serve the best interests of SL's RP regarding all things bijuu in the future.
Candidates:
1 ) Raifudo
2 ) Trev
3 ) Uchiha, Rares
4 ) Asadi
5 ) Otokage ♪ Shadow
6 ) Hensō Goū
7 ) Yūmei
8 ) CJoftheDesert
9 ) Cmage
10 ) Styx
11 ) Isamu
12 ) Moonfire
13 ) Reimu Hakurei
14 ) Timothy
15 ) Nathan
16 ) Eric
17 ) Kage
18 ) UettoSenju
19 ) Raifuta oturanikamizu
20 ) Quest [Withdrawn]
21 ) Kingdomini (XxzeroninexX)
22 ) Chika
23 ) Uchiha_Tracey
24 ) Jaggerjack
25 ) Zenaku
26 ) Jinzo
27 ) Kite
28 ) Koji Musaki
29 ) Kamui
30 ) Bocchiere
31 ) Raijinthelightning
32 ) LightningRazgriz
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1.Rare
2.Kirk
3.Styx
4.Yumei
5.Tomi
6.Nathan
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Please vote here:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6983.0.html
Then pm your votes to Royal Guard Ace via SL. ^^
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After the polls are closed, I'll tally it up on my end.
Then hopefully I can find someone who can effectively double check the work, and hopefully the person can protect the privacy of each person's vote.
So, having someone else check the work will take time will depend on that person causing a possible delay on the results.
But, I will try to keep all updated through this process. =)
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Any way I can help, Acey-kins?
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This is actually easy.
On one side, the names of all the people who are going to vote are written.
On another, all of the candidates and their vote count.
Then a simple "abuse" check, and that's it.
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Keep on the look out for those that voted for less than 4. As such votes would be voided due to being in violation of the clearly state rules.
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Keep on the look out for those that voted for less than 4. As such votes would be voided due to being in violation of the clearly state rules.
That's a rule? :/
I will remind those who voted less than four to add more.
Why remind? Because their votes matter.
That seems reasonable. Can't have people simply voting for two and that's it I guess.
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I suggested voiding those simply because it meant they didn't even bother to read what was said in the poll thread. xD
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The reason why I talked about someone else to check my work was to basically ensure the members who may not trust me that the process nonetheless can be trusted, but that other person should not share the votes and such. Why? To prevent possible harassment and to simply respect everyone's privacy.
If anyone has someone in mind as a complete neutral third party, let me know!
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I honestly doubt there is anyone that puts your trust worthy'ness to doubt.
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I do. Not.
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I do. Not.
Alrighty.
Please provide us with names who can be trusted to double, triple, quadruple check my work. =)
Thanks, much appreciated.
EDIT:
I do. (1 pt font saying "Not" after highlighted).
My bad if I could not read the **incredibly small text** saying, "Not."
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ah. well there are lots of people who stay informed that miss all the pertinent details.
And as far as trust goes...
well I know that everyone has someone who is biased against them, that is just life.
Volunteers to check the work and waits for the outcries! :twisted:
anyway, so far I have worked my fingers to the bone spamming pms to let people know to come fvote and read and whatnot.
It is criminal the number of people who had no idea that this was going on and who are very actvie members.
Well we work with what we got. But I will be damned if we just didn't quite hit on the best strategy to hold this election.
next time? well call this a trial run and hope we just keep improving along the way.
just to see people bothering to get involved rocks my world!!
apathy kills, you know.
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Even though I do not consider it harm, I will not be voting or counting my votes in this process.
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that actually seems quite reasonable. conflict of interest and all.
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Third party...Why not Quest now since he dropped out of the election. He's done no harm to be untrustworthy thus far so who better than him, for the few that are able to be selected since most are running for the council.
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A-greed.
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If I can help prevent any complications, I don't mind helping.
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I agree. Quest is a good choice.
However there is one thing...
Did he vote?
If so then...well, he is a participant just like the rest of us who aren't running for office.
But tell me this. Does Ace really need someone looking over his back to make sure he is being fair? Is there anyone here who thinks that he needs checked up on?
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Save for the random person that denied such, I think everyone trusts Ace, personally, I don't think there is anyone more trustworthy.
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Sure there is, Neji. ;P
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And willing to help? >>
Besides, I trust them equally. In the sense that I can't trust someone more than that. :D
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This is going off topic, our trust in Ace isn't the issue here. This is more about Ace's lack of confident in our trust. If I was him, I don't see why voting and counting my own vote would be a problem. Ace, show some confident! Anyone who doubt you will surely hear from the rest of us.
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For certain you can' t please all of the people.
I am just really juiced up about 54 people coming out to vote! It means a lot to me to see that at least that many people give a hoot about what goes on. I find that demonstration to be encouraging for some odd reason.
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It occurred to me that some may have just asked random people/friends/etc that have nothing to do with SL to come just to vote for them. As such, if possible to track, I would suggest that the character creation date is checked and the votes are voided if they date under two weeks. This should be concerning SL, not people coming to SL just to help out a pal.
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Darn...That totally ruined all my plans. Time to go delete all the random voting alts I just made. >> << >>
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The 100s of hours that I spent teaching grandma, grandpa, and all those homeless people how to vote just went up in flames D=
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Darn...That totally ruined all my plans. Time to go delete all the random voting alts I just made. >> << >>
The 100s of hours that I spent teaching grandma, grandma, and all those homeless people how to vote just went up in flames D=
Love you guys. xD But seriously, I've been made aware of at least one person that made a serious abuse with such. In the sense that he probably wouldn't be in the top 9 w/o said abuse.
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Wow. That is a pretty serious accusation to just be throwing vague hints around about.
How about you state names and show proof before you start rumors? That would be great.
Because, you are in the top 9? Hope you don't mean that's how you got there. :o Wait, it was Tracey wasn't it??? Oh no...you said 'he', hmmm.
But seriously. Ace is on the job so relax. There is no need to start being an alarmist.
If votes need to be thrown out, he will do it.
That is kind of what trusting him means. After all these years of being a mod I think he has seen just about every attempt at pulling a fast one that there is.
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I just didn't want to be overly rude is all. I just wondered if it was outrageous of me to have recent account votes voided, hence why I posted it here. To get some opinions.
I might be stupidly honest at times... but turning myself in would be too much, even for me. xD
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Could almost love her un-adopted brother for that remark.
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D'aww~<3
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Did not tell people to create accounts to vote for him.... however, did pm random people to vote for him which included ACSD. It was all in the name of politicing, lol.
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That's just plain wrong in my opinion, if anyone got 'random' or 'bribed' votes of any sort. It degrades the whole idea of vote for you honestly think is best. Hence I asked the candidates to post what they thought would make them a good candidate in a thread I posted, to make it easier to decide such with responsibility.
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Was only encouraging people to vote, plus I do believe most players don't even visit the forum. A lot of them didn't even know about the voting or had forgot... all I did was remind them and simply say to think of me when voting. As far getting people to join SL and vote would go I would have had no part of.... sense it is unknown in my RL by people that I even read Manga or Rp.
It only makes sense to me one would get out and campaign at least a little bit.
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Hi,
Votes will be tallied and I will have the results by tonight- in probably six hours or so.
Characters, new characters under 2 weeks will be checked by myself (if I can find the character date option <.<).
Currently, seems only that maybe three or two would fall under the above category. Of course, we can wait and have Neji check, but I will see what I can do on my end.
Also, abuse is incredibly low. I have not done a check yet, but I notice the members who have sent me their votes, and it truly seems low.
Finally, I will post here sometime tomorrow.
If I were to send Quest the results and votes, I would not be able to share what the IPs are, who it belongs to, which alts, etc...
That's simply a privacy issue that is never shared.
So, you guys can decide what you'd like, and let me know. =)
Time to take my very last exam!
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Just go with what you got man.
Any acads voting? Well that is probably my fault. Me and my chronies, or at least it is likely. We spent 2 days spaming the world about the election and we encouraged everyone to vote, even new accounts.
And why not? nothing was said about excluding people from the vote just cause they were new here.
Do try not to complicate things now that it is just down to the counting and reporting. Enough is enough already.
Could you imagine what a marvelous storyline Arc we could come up with for RP on SL if we spent as much time and passion on that as we did this?
Holy Cow! now THAT would be worth logging on for!
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Just go with what you got man.
Any acads voting? Well that is probably my fault. Me and my chronies, or at least it is likely. We spent 2 days spaming the world about the election and we encouraged everyone to vote, even new accounts.
And why not? nothing was said about excluding people from the vote just cause they were new here.
Do try not to complicate things now that it is just down to the counting and reporting. Enough is enough already.
Could you imagine what a marvelous storyline Arc we could come up with for RP on SL if we spent as much time and passion on that as we did this?
Holy Cow! now THAT would be worth logging on for!
New accounts could easily have been RL friends making an account, then voting, kinda like buying votes instead of picking who is most qualified. Which is the main reason that I didn't campaign :P
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The forum poll will not differ in results to a great deal.
I am going through something that I would never wish upon anyone, please give me a few days on this.
Emotions are running high, please give me some more time.
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Sorry to hear you're having problems mate. ):
Don't you worry about us! ;D
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You have my full support Ace-man. Feel better soon :D
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Just go with what you got man.
Any acads voting? Well that is probably my fault. Me and my chronies, or at least it is likely. We spent 2 days spaming the world about the election and we encouraged everyone to vote, even new accounts.
And why not? nothing was said about excluding people from the vote just cause they were new here.
Do try not to complicate things now that it is just down to the counting and reporting. Enough is enough already.
Could you imagine what a marvelous storyline Arc we could come up with for RP on SL if we spent as much time and passion on that as we did this?
Holy Cow! now THAT would be worth logging on for!
New accounts could easily have been RL friends making an account, then voting, kinda like buying votes instead of picking who is most qualified. Which is the main reason that I didn't campaign :P
It is in determining the motivation of these new account in voting that is the problem. How do you sift the legit our from the ballot stuffers?
And indeed I hope all passes with ease for you Ace. All of this will still be here when you return.
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Just go with what you got man.
Any acads voting? Well that is probably my fault. Me and my chronies, or at least it is likely. We spent 2 days spaming the world about the election and we encouraged everyone to vote, even new accounts.
And why not? nothing was said about excluding people from the vote just cause they were new here.
Do try not to complicate things now that it is just down to the counting and reporting. Enough is enough already.
Could you imagine what a marvelous storyline Arc we could come up with for RP on SL if we spent as much time and passion on that as we did this?
Holy Cow! now THAT would be worth logging on for!
New accounts could easily have been RL friends making an account, then voting, kinda like buying votes instead of picking who is most qualified. Which is the main reason that I didn't campaign :P
It is in determining the motivation of these new account in voting that is the problem. How do you sift the legit our from the ballot stuffers?
And indeed I hope all passes with ease for you Ace. All of this will still be here when you return.
I think that was the point of the two week rule; it would encompass accounts made after/during talks of an election. But realistically speaking, what account made within two weeks could know alot about most people on that list in order to determine who are the 9 best choices to sit in on the council?
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I think that after the election has occurred it is a little late to start making rules on who is permitted to vote and who is not. The time for that was at the beginning before the polls were open.
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Seeing since Ace is kind of MIA with personal issues, can we not just fall back on the poll results? He said there aren't many abuses. Or any.
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You guys could just carry on with things the way they are, in my opinion.
Waiting for Ace is not a huge deal here. I don't see the site falling apart until the official council can be declared or anything like that.
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Rai's forum avatar and signature is the best. xD
Yeah I don't see a problem with continuing with the council formed from the poll results.
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Rai's forum avatar and signature is the best. xD
Can I haz second place? >>
Anyway, yeah, I don't have THAT much of an issue with just continuing on from the poll, we could always revoke those that weren't in the real top 9. However, I don't find it all that urgent either. Both ways are fine in my view.
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I wasn't suggesting you continue on with the poll results. I was suggesting that we all continue with making due under the current status until Ace can be available to give us the official results.
Relax and have some patience.
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Got this from Ace:
Hi,
Results from voting will be posted by Saturday.
Though if members want to use the poll top nine from the forum, the results should not differ greatly.
I am currently very emotional, and so will need until Saturday,
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So?
Is there some bijuu emergency that won't wait until then?
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So?
Is there some bijuu emergency that won't wait until then?
Oh, you! :oops:
I propose we just wait for Ace [ Give the man some time], I am in no hurry to make anything official as of yet...
Patience is a virtue my friends. ;)
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RED ALERT!
Yes, we do have an emergency! Didn't you guys notice how the tailed-beasts have been acting up lately?! They are trying to combine their powers into the 10-tailed so that humans can no longer enslave them with "Jinchuriki" D=
p/s: Captain Planet's ending theme suddenly started playing in my head when I said the word "combine" =_=;;
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RED ALERT!
Yes, we do have an emergency! Didn't you guys notice how the tailed-beasts have been acting up lately?! They are trying to combine their powers into the 10-tailed so that humans can no longer enslave them with "Jinchuriki" D=
p/s: Captain Planet's ending theme suddenly started playing in my head when I said the word your "combine" =_=;;
By you're bijuu combined, I'm captain planet!
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Sprays the guys down with windex cause it cures everything.
"hey, none of that! This is a naruto forum."
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D'aww! ;-; But, I was just getting started!
There was gonna be a monologue, and Neji was gonna be there. And, it was gonna be a smash hit on Youtube! D:
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Gah...
Alright, alright. :/
Three votes might be from accounts from less than two weeks from the deadline for voting.
Neji will be the only one to verify the creation dates.
It is easy to contact Neji, and he will respond back in a timely manner.
I still think there is not a consensus with removing any votes from members less than two weeks old from the time when polls were closed.
Please come up with a decision and let me know what to do.
Thank you guys.
EDIT: Just post YES or NO (YES to remove members less than 2 weeks, or NO).
Once I have the results, I will let members know how I went about with the polling, data will be posted, etc...
BUT, I need to know this. Sooner the better. More people posting (different people), the better!
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NO
Well... if it's just 3.... it doesn't really matter.
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No.
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No.
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I'm kinda interested on seeing what those three votes would've made any impact whatsoever to the polls, so YES.
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Yes
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Yes.
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The amount of votes from the poll and what I have will actually differ.
Multiple votes are being voided.
I will not share whose votes, or who would have gotten the votes if the rules were followed, BUT I will give reasons.
Ex. IP issues, having more than 9, etc...
EDIT: Seeing as how I forgot that viewing's one bio does show activity, the academy students who did vote we a part of this game before the polls opened. I can see far back as of April 29th for one member and April 30th. Their votes should not be voided in my opinion (if you all want Neji to check if they are EXACTLY over two weeks old, it can be done, but clearly the members were a part of SL for a good period of time).
Yes, I'm double checking a lot and will try to.
The votes are really close.
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Don't know if this is a council issue, but Bocc decided to miraculously give himself Earth Grudge Fear by using the Splitting Technique(2nd Tsuchikage's move) to make two of himself, he then proceeded to cut open Bocc#2, as he put it, put a scroll inside, sew it up, and rejoin bodies and boom he magically is a Kakuzu-esque thing. All this was done in zone 10 if you need proof.
Thoughts, Questions, Concerns?
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>_> I personally don't like that idea because then anyone can just RP that, which essentially could lead to people giving themselves eternal mangekyou sharingans, replacement parts, etc. Because then you're just roleplaying your own stuff with nobody else to really contest it, and nobody would call god mod on themselves usually. It's a creative idea though. XD
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Maybe if we ignore him, he'll go away?
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As stated multiple times before, we don't go to moderate rp SL wide. Were he in the bijuu fight and the opponent had an issue with it he could ask the opinions of council member, until that happens, it's non of our business. Though personally, if I go logic wise, it's possible. As for EMS, it's still better than the fashion of swapping eyes with random mangekyou users, which should be void in my view.
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I think this question should be moved somewhere else, so we can freely answer it without spamming this thread with irrelevent content. Also contact Bocc so he can defend himself 8)
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I think this question should be moved somewhere else, so we can freely answer it without spamming this thread with irrelevent content. Also contact Bocc so he can defend himself 8)
Call his parents so they can ground him. <<
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Legit vs non-legit thread is a good place for things like this which as Rares says are outside the council's domain. That is in the village rp board.
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Maybe if we ignore him, he'll go away?
Ha, ha, ha! That surely made my day golden! XD
Anyhow, back to the point,
Just post YES or NO (YES to remove members less than 2 weeks, or NO).
NO (for no reason and no hidden agenda)
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Didn't we try that to several people before?
Bocc is a good guy; Don't knock him b/c he's headstrong like other people on here. :D
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I knock Bocchiere because he claims just about every kinjutsu/secret technique out there.
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I knock Bocchiere because he claims just about every kinjutsu/secret technique out there.
Are they hiden like Shadow Possesion? Nope. Are they restricted via SL rules like Hirashin and summoning contracts? Nope. I'm not seeing the problem here aside from the fact that Bocc' likes to claim things to make himself look powerful.
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Apparently the council is wanted to act outside of their normal RP control paramaters. If we do infact (Don't know if we have) fill the council with people that are normally called upon during RP or for zone fights, when things turn for the worst, then why not give them some form of authority outside Bijuu matches? Or, if you feel like they could be going overboard with rule implementing, why not create a 'congress. so to speak? To monitor the council and listen to the complants of the little people while the main RP heads base their decisions upon 'congresses' information.
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I knock Bocchiere because he claims just about every kinjutsu/secret technique out there.
Are they hiden like Shadow Possesion? Nope. Are they restricted via SL rules like Hirashin and summoning contracts? Nope. I'm not seeing the problem here aside from the fact that Bocc' likes to claim things to make himself look powerful.
It's just the fact that he "claims" them and thus nobody else can use them; he's just stockpiling Kinjutsu. Do you think it's unfair to have Hirashin, Edo Tensei, Earth Grudge Fear, Summoning Scrolls, Creation Rebirth, Jashin Immortality, and KG? >__>
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I knock Bocchiere because he claims just about every kinjutsu/secret technique out there.
Are they hiden like Shadow Possesion? Nope. Are they restricted via SL rules like Hirashin and summoning contracts? Nope. I'm not seeing the problem here aside from the fact that Bocc' likes to claim things to make himself look powerful.
It's just the fact that he "claims" them and thus nobody else can use them; he's just stockpiling Kinjutsu. Do you think it's unfair to have Hirashin, Edo Tensei, Earth Grudge Fear, Summoning Scrolls, Creation Rebirth, Jashin Immortality, and KG? >__>
Oh, I thought Tommi meant claim as in he uses them like everyone else. I didn't know he meant he actually claims them. My bad.
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Oh, I thought Tommi meant claim as in he uses them like everyone else. I didn't know he meant he actually claims them. My bad.
Well I'll list his unique claims:
Signed the Rashōmon summoning contract
Possesses the only scroll detailing the Jiongu(Earth Grudge Fear) transformation(and it's inside his body somehow via the use of the Splitting Technique.
Hiraishin(Which is limited to those who have been taught)
User of Edo Tensei(Which has now been restricted to those who have been taught)
Jashin Immortality(Speaks for itself since you have to be apart of the religion and he may be restricted official members)
That's a lot things that limit the number of possible users.
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Oh, I thought Tommi meant claim as in he uses them like everyone else. I didn't know he meant he actually claims them. My bad.
Well I'll list his unique claims:
Signed the Rashōmon summoning contract
Possesses the only scroll detailing the Jiongu(Earth Grudge Fear) transformation(and it's inside his body somehow via the use of the Splitting Technique.
Hiraishin(Which is limited to those who have been taught)
User of Edo Tensei(Which has now been restricted to those who have been taught)
Jashin Immortality(Speaks for itself since you have to be apart of the religion and he may be restricted official members)
That's a lot things that limit the number of possible users.
I believe Edo Tensei he gave up because of its new ruling, so he may have not edited his bio yet.
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From what I heard, Pete gave it to him, as a token of stop going after the Rokubi Bijuu. Ironically, Bocchiere claims to gave me detailed information on the Earth Grudge Fear, then later claims to possess it, and tells me that I do not have enough information to use/preform the technique myself.
I dislike him, because of the abnormal amount of claims to one single character. It completely abuses the concept of legitimate role-play due to having all this jutsu mixed together, without any major side effects. I mean, kinjutsu are called forbidden for a reason, usually because of some awful risk involved in utilizing them. Compare them to drugs, and as you can see, Bocchiere has been mixing a whole lot of drugs together, and only become more insanely over powered, with each new technique he claims. Logically speaking, he's a god-modder as is.
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You are all just hating cause his OPness is greater then your very own rp skills... short and simple, if you want to end him then simply kill him in rp or shut the hell up.
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You are all just hating cause his OPness is greater then your very own rp skills... short and simple, if you want to end him then simply kill him in rp or shut the hell up.
Oi, oi, chill. I'm the anger-monger here, not you.
Needless to say, anyone can claim as much as he does -- hell, we can even completely copy his exact layout of jutsus and claims. The thing is, we see no reason to do so simply for the sake of it, as Tim-Tam said, abuses of the role-play at hand.
As far as "OPness is greater then (*than) your very own rp skills"... that's just... I can't even begin to list just how ignorant of a statement that is.
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As far as "OPness is greater then (*than) your very own rp skills"... that's just... I can't even begin to list just how ignorant of a statement that is.
Exactly ;)
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From what I heard, Pete gave it to him, as a token of stop going after the Rokubi Bijuu. Ironically, Bocchiere claims to gave me detailed information on the Earth Grudge Fear, then later claims to possess it, and tells me that I do not have enough information to use/preform the technique myself.
I dislike him, because of the abnormal amount of claims to one single character. It completely abuses the concept of legitimate role-play due to having all this jutsu mixed together, without any major side effects. I mean, kinjutsu are called forbidden for a reason, usually because of some awful risk involved in utilizing them. Compare them to drugs, and as you can see, Bocchiere has been mixing a whole lot of drugs together, and only become more insanely over powered, with each new technique he claims. Logically speaking, he's a god-modder as is.
Timmy you calling anyone a god mod is so hypocritical it's hilarious. Let's see what I can do with this though.
#1 I asked Pete to teach me Edo Tensei in return for calling off the bijuu fight, he agreed, but then Kamui usurped it's ownership. I think I am still allowed to use it, but I'm waiting for Kamui to make his rules before I do.
#2 I only gave you the knowledge of Jiongu and Jashin immortality because you were being a piss-ant when you returned from leaving forever. You sold me the rp rights to your character but when you came back and found out you were dead you decided to pretend you never had and said you were going to refute my claim to Hiraishin on those grounds because Tomi needed and rp reason to teach Hiraishin to me, so I said I would teach you about those Kinjutsu to get you to leave me alone. I was also VERY specific that the knowledge involved only the combat aspects of both kinjutsu, ie what they could do in a fight, not how to perform either, and you agreed to this. Very selective memory you have there
#3 Kinjutsu are forbidden because they cause extreme harm to your body, like Hachimon, or because they violate the laws of nature, like Jiongu and Edo Tensei. As long as I am not going into 8th Gate Hero Water mode there wouldn't be damage by combining the TWO kinjutsu I have on my body, wow that's a big number.
@Rakudo As for you, I don't know who has the Rashomon contract now, I just signed the damn thing. I have Hiraishin, so does any idiot who asks Timmy for it these days, he so emotionally detached from the world if you pay him 5 bucks he'll pretend he taught it to you (not even joking is the sad part). You misunderstood my rp though. The scroll says how to make someone into the Jiongu body, I didn't implant it inside me. For the life of me I can't think of how you turn someones body into threads so I was very vague I just essentially said that I did it. My clone operated on me and then I operated on him, then we fused. No reason I can't do that, makes me more OP, yeah you don't like that, where have you been? And I really like how absolutely no one contacted me in regards to anything, if you can provide an actual argument for why I can't do something that doesn't consist of "You're OP man! Cut it out! D:<" I am more then happy to listen.
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I said what needed to be said. The more one claims, the more abusive their character becomes to the overall system of role-play. In an attempt to become more inline with this belief of moderating one's self, I have de-powered my character quite a bit, to a more Kishimoto approved level for the character I emulate to a great degree.
It's not about 'OMG I can't beat him, because he has too much.' It is the constant encouragement of characters to take more and more power, merely to survive in a sense of being. Then we'll have many over powered characters where fights cannot be realistically monitored/compared and contrasted to canon. We've never seen hiraishin, splitting technique, sharingan, rinnegan, kaguya, Jashin, Jiongu all merged into one, and how they'd interplay with say a super sage, kyuubi jinchuuriki, with EMS, Mokuton, etc, etc. At least the EMS Mokuton combo, we have already seen how it works to a fair degree.
My point being, it will just get too out of hand as many will eventually try to overpower each other with an unrealistic slew of Kinjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, to where what's god-modding/what's legit is blurred together, and there is no more line to it/ making it extremely hard to moderate such things.
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I said what needed to be said. The more one claims, the more abusive their character becomes to the overall system of role-play. In an attempt to become more inline with this belief of moderating one's self, I have de-powered my character quite a bit, to a more Kishimoto approved level for the character I emulate to a great degree.
It's not about 'OMG I can't beat him, because he has too much.' It is the constant encouragement of characters to take more and more power, merely to survive in a sense of being. Then we'll have many over powered characters where fights cannot be realistically monitored/compared and contrasted to canon. We've never seen hiraishin, splitting technique, sharingan, rinnegan, kaguya, Jashin, Jiongu all merged into one, and how they'd interplay with say a super sage, kyuubi jinchuuriki, with EMS, Mokuton, etc, etc. At least the EMS Mokuton combo, we have already seen how it works to a fair degree.
My point being, it will just get too out of hand as many will eventually try to overpower each other with an unrealistic slew of Kinjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, to where what's god-modding/what's legit is blurred together, and there is no more line to it/ making it extremely hard to moderate such things.
If the majority of my abilities are canon I don't see how there would be a problem monitoring them. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Clean up Konoha *cough*Genesis*cough*, then you can talk to me.
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@Rakudo As for you, I don't know who has the Rashomon contract now, I just signed the damn thing. I have Hiraishin, so does any idiot who asks Timmy for it these days, he so emotionally detached from the world if you pay him 5 bucks he'll pretend he taught it to you (not even joking is the sad part). You misunderstood my rp though. The scroll says how to make someone into the Jiongu body, I didn't implant it inside me. For the life of me I can't think of how you turn someones body into threads so I was very vague I just essentially said that I did it. My clone operated on me and then I operated on him, then we fused. No reason I can't do that, makes me more OP, yeah you don't like that, where have you been? And I really like how absolutely no one contacted me in regards to anything, if you can provide an actual argument for why I can't do something that doesn't consist of "You're OP man! Cut it out! D:<" I am more then happy to listen.
I must have misread (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
But how does one sign a contract without knowing who has it?
And I think the Timster there is trying to say that if everyone claimed high end jutsu that allow you to dodge, tank, or insta-kill everthing then RP would be lame or fights would just never end.
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@Rakudo As for you, I don't know who has the Rashomon contract now, I just signed the damn thing. I have Hiraishin, so does any idiot who asks Timmy for it these days, he so emotionally detached from the world if you pay him 5 bucks he'll pretend he taught it to you (not even joking is the sad part). You misunderstood my rp though. The scroll says how to make someone into the Jiongu body, I didn't implant it inside me. For the life of me I can't think of how you turn someones body into threads so I was very vague I just essentially said that I did it. My clone operated on me and then I operated on him, then we fused. No reason I can't do that, makes me more OP, yeah you don't like that, where have you been? And I really like how absolutely no one contacted me in regards to anything, if you can provide an actual argument for why I can't do something that doesn't consist of "You're OP man! Cut it out! D:<" I am more then happy to listen.
I must have misread (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
But how does one sign a contract without knowing who has it?
And I think the Timster there is trying to say that if everyone claimed high end jutsu that allow you to dodge, tank, or insta-kill everthing then RP would be lame or fights would just never end.
Well I used to have the contract, but I gave it to Trev for a spare Edo Tensei scroll ages ago, who knows where it got off to now? I get that, that is a reasonable thing to not want. Please also understand that I have spent about 2 years stealing, killing, and dirty dealing to get all the powers I have to this day. It isn't easy. Honestly I would kill anyone who tried to do the same, they'd just be a poser anyway. :D
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@Rakudo As for you, I don't know who has the Rashomon contract now, I just signed the damn thing. I have Hiraishin, so does any idiot who asks Timmy for it these days, he so emotionally detached from the world if you pay him 5 bucks he'll pretend he taught it to you (not even joking is the sad part). You misunderstood my rp though. The scroll says how to make someone into the Jiongu body, I didn't implant it inside me. For the life of me I can't think of how you turn someones body into threads so I was very vague I just essentially said that I did it. My clone operated on me and then I operated on him, then we fused. No reason I can't do that, makes me more OP, yeah you don't like that, where have you been? And I really like how absolutely no one contacted me in regards to anything, if you can provide an actual argument for why I can't do something that doesn't consist of "You're OP man! Cut it out! D:<" I am more then happy to listen.
I must have misread (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)
But how does one sign a contract without knowing who has it?
And I think the Timster there is trying to say that if everyone claimed high end jutsu that allow you to dodge, tank, or insta-kill everthing then RP would be lame or fights would just never end.
Well I used to have the contract, but I gave it to Trev for a spare Edo Tensei scroll ages ago, who knows where it got off to now? I get that, that is a reasonable thing to not want. Please also understand that I have spent about 2 years stealing, killing, and dirty dealing to get all the powers I have to this day. It isn't easy. Honestly I would kill anyone who tried to do the same, they'd just be a poser anyway. :D
Well state that the first time >:O I don't think we can include your Pre-Rinnegan/Sage Mode KG release when you had the edo tensei/six paths of pain armies. That was honestly a joke >__> I'm quite sure there's already somebody doing that and you haven't noticed.
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I just kinda want 6 Edo Tensei zombies to make Paths of Pain. Then use them to attack villages. I think that'd be pretty bad ass. Except for Konoha, they have the special torri gates that kills any Edo Tensei that gets within 50 meters of them, and it cannot be countered in anyway. >_>
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I just kinda want 6 Edo Tensei zombies to make Paths of Pain. Then use them to attack villages. I think that'd be pretty bad ass. Except for Konoha, they have the special torri gates that kills any Edo Tensei that gets within 50 meters of them, and it cannot be countered in anyway. >_>
Don't we all.... and just have animal path summon something giant at a safe distance away and smash the gates >__>
You should make "Welcome to SL, where if you have 2 Kinjutus your a god modder, and if you're a fusion of every major villain from Fairy Tail you're Hokage." your signature here on the forums xD but isn't the jashin immortality also a Kinjutsu?
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I just kinda want 6 Edo Tensei zombies to make Paths of Pain. Then use them to attack villages. I think that'd be pretty bad ass. Except for Konoha, they have the special torri gates that kills any Edo Tensei that gets within 50 meters of them, and it cannot be countered in anyway. >_>
Don't we all.... and just have animal path summon something giant at a safe distance away and smash the gates >__>
You should make "Welcome to SL, where if you have 2 Kinjutus your a god modder, and if you're a fusion of every major villain from Fairy Tail you're Hokage." your signature here on the forums xD but isn't the jashin immortality also a Kinjutsu?
I think I will xD the thing is the gates are also a summoning contract. I didn't know you could sign a summoning contract with inanimate objects but what do I know? So someone, I think Rare, can just make one pop up next to my zombies and poof them all. Technically the immortality isn't a kinjutsu, it is not one specific ability, it's just lots of body alterations, like Oro. Even the Curse Blood jutsu is only listed as ninjutsu and hiden though.
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Clarification: [From Narutopedia's article on Jashin (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Jashin)] "Hidan is the "successful experiment of the Jashin religion's secret techniques," which makes him become immortal. He uses this advantage to otherwise fatally injure himself while he is linked to his opponent in order to kill them."
It's just as Bocchiere implies (I personally believe anyway), through a sequence of body modifications which would kill off the majority who underwent it, Hidan became 'immortal'. If it was a jutsu that made him immortal though, then it would be considered a kinjutsu (due to the potentially-high risk of dying).
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To counter a Torii Gate's Kekkei Properties, all you have to do is destroy the gate itself, quite simple of an idea, really.
However, Cmage is right, I am talking about never ending, 'immortal' battles of super, super, super/OP'ed characters in role-play.
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To counter a Torii Gate's Kekkei Properties, all you have to do is destroy the gate itself, quite simple of an idea, really.
However, Cmage is right, I am talking about never ending, 'immortal' battles of super, super, super/OP'ed characters in role-play.
Well maybe I am mistaken about how they work. If someone summons one 20 feet from me do I have a moment before it rises up to destroy it? I suppose that could be easily accomplished if I had a Deva Path.
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*Enters reading all the posts before glancing up at the name of the title and then looking back at the comments* Must be in the wrong place. I could of sworn i was looking for the thread about bijuu rules and bijuu council... My mistake..
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*is more concerned about where Bocc got that avi since I saw it in a very questionable place yesterday* But we should get back on topic.
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*is more concerned about where Bocc got that avi since I saw it in a very questionable place yesterday* But we should get back on topic.
Google images?
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Locked.
The topic's purpose was lost long ago.
Time for people to take a break.............
After that break, come back with new ideas for this "council."