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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Kage on December 20, 2014, 03:16:48 AM
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Somebody is bound to bring it into play, so we might as well talk about it now. Especially since the official databook that goes along with the movie has been translated and brought more information on the following two things.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Tenseigan
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Tenseigan_Chakra_Mode
In short, for those with short attention-spans, the Tenseigan is equal to the Rinnegan in terms of power. You're literally on Madara's level with it is what it states too. And the Tenseigan Chakra Mode is equal to the Nine-tails Chakra Mode. The Truth-Seeking Balls are also apparently usable while in this state, and are a glowing green instead of just the normal black as well.
Talk about a huge power leap for the Hyuuga/Otsutsuki. They went from nearly-irrelevant (when put in comparison to the abundance of powers and abilities that the Uchiha/Senju have at their disposal), to equal or greater status.
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I assume we wont be allowing the Gudodama of the Tenseigan on the site?
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That is one hell of a power boost.
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Needed to give 'em something. Kaguya's excuse was that all her stuff was Kekkei Mora, but Toneri didn't have that leisure.
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Sure, let's give even more people a reason to leave by allowing something overwhelmingly stupid like that to be used.
So yeah that's my opinion on that getting any play time.
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Sure, let's give even more people a reason to leave by allowing something overwhelmingly stupid like that to be used.
So yeah that's my opinion on that getting any play time.
It's the same as the Rinnegan and the Sharingan's powers that are outside of having to do with chakra-seeing. It just works.
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Sure, let's give even more people a reason to leave by allowing something overwhelmingly stupid like that to be used.
So yeah that's my opinion on that getting any play time.
It's the same as the Rinnegan and the Sharingan's powers that are outside of having to do with chakra-seeing. It just works.
Except it's much better since you get Rikudou-enhanced 9 tails chakra mode too. << You can throw Goudama at people faster than Raiton no Yoroi can move, you're pretty dead.
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Sure, let's give even more people a reason to leave by allowing something overwhelmingly stupid like that to be used.
So yeah that's my opinion on that getting any play time.
It's the same as the Rinnegan and the Sharingan's powers that are outside of having to do with chakra-seeing. It just works.
Except it's much better since you get Rikudou-enhanced 9 tails chakra mode too. << You can throw Goudama at people faster than Raiton no Yoroi can move, you're pretty dead.
I never saw them go that fast. But that's why Sage Mode is still the ultimate counter to balance out the advanced eyes' techniques. Though the Gudodama would obviously not be usable immediately. They're put under the same blanket as the KT-making/claiming rules.
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Sure, let's give even more people a reason to leave by allowing something overwhelmingly stupid like that to be used.
So yeah that's my opinion on that getting any play time.
It's the same as the Rinnegan and the Sharingan's powers that are outside of having to do with chakra-seeing. It just works.
Except it's much better since you get Rikudou-enhanced 9 tails chakra mode too. << You can throw Goudama at people faster than Raiton no Yoroi can move, you're pretty dead.
I never saw them go that fast. But that's why Sage Mode is still the ultimate counter to balance out the advanced eyes' techniques. Though the Gudodama would obviously not be usable immediately. They're put under the same blanket as the KT-making/claiming rules.
The person can go that fast, so they just need to use one like a Rasengan.
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Meh, till there are more details, I am not getting my underwear in a bunch about this. Right now, it's still very vague, unless this is LITERALLY the equivalent of Rinnegan and Toneri happens to be a sage (hence the super sage characteristics). If this is just the Hyugan equivalent of Rinnegan then it's gonna be kind of dull.
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I don't see the point of not adding it, it's just a cool power up
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I don't see the point of not adding it, it's just a cool power up
One that is already overwhelmingly god mod with only the basics explained.
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Then we nerf it like we nerf everything else
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I don't see the point of not adding it, it's just a cool power up
One that is already overwhelmingly god mod with only the basics explained.
It's databook official info. This is the most straight-up information that we're going to get. And anything can seem pretty over-powered if you word it right.
As for fears for the Gudodama being abused, here are some guidelines that I myself have been following as the first user.
Truth-Seeking Ball Requirements
- Either Six Paths Sage Chakra, or Tenseigan Chakra Mode
- Usage of the required elements
- 16 resets and substitution for use in place of a Kekkei Tota claim/creation
- Tailed Beast Chakra absorbed, accumulating up to 9 maximum
I set that last clause in there, so there could be some kind of RP-related challenge to getting them, instead of having access to all of them at once. To elaborate though, since there has always been a maximum of 9 Gudodama seen being used by Naruto, Obito, Madara and Hagoromo. And since there are 9 Biju, then it would make sense that to be able to use more, you would need chakra from each of the different Tailed Beasts. I myself have absorbed Saiken's chakra to experiment with it, and to create a summoning contract with him. And since he's the only Tailed Beast I've absorbed chakra from, then I can only use one Gudodama at the moment.
And to make things even more fair, the bomb-variant of the Gudodama (which was used in an attempt to obliterate Naruto and Sasuke together) should be restricted.
Also, they should be ineffective to those who are making use of either Six Paths Sage Chakra or Tenseigan Chakra Mode. And the Rinnegan's Preta Path can just absorb them.
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Silly man, first one to jump on the claiming band wagon, yet you never noticed there's ten of the things, one (Madara/Obito) or two (Naruto) just were formed into staves. I could also question where do you get the rikudo sage chakra considering tenseigan appears to be just a lookalike not the legit thing, and beast per ball idea too since Obito had three yet formed just the one. There is no 'bomb' either really, its just extends stupidly fast to pulverize anything in a wide area akin to jinton.
Not the place for it though, so commenting on tenseigan itself.
As anyone who read the thing would see, assuming its legit info of course with almost all info from movie missing still, if you guys want this it has to be modified fairly heavily if you want it on SL, cause its canonical self simply wont work. Comparing it to rinnegan, even that is not nearly as far-out if you cut out the part of combining specifically reincarnee chakras, not just genetics.
Tenseigan? Have to be 100% ootsutsuki (which appears to be a dead clan outside of Toneri btw), your own eyes sealed into the altar after birth most likely, I'd daresay visit the moon as well, implant somebodys byakugan without dying or organ rejection. And even then, despite the OPness, it'd be technically finite chakra, not to mention the as of yet completely unexplained fairly gross blob picture of Toneri being overtaken by some white gunk.
Only way I could think of on the fly of this possibly being a thing, is if whatever eye magic unlocking it would require would grant you the ability to make the chakra cloak outta the power you pour out of your tenketsu. Think of it as a compressed, constantly active molded kaiten if you will, lol.
As for it being some special uber chakra...uhh, prolly not. Even susanoo is ultimately the users own, instead of coming from some mystery source.
Edit: forgot preta path mention. Absorbing one would kill you unless you start breaking your own rules, since the nature energy innit would just petrify you.
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Silly man, first one to jump on the claiming band wagon, yet you never noticed there's ten of the things, one (Madara/Obito) or two (Naruto) just were formed into staves. I could also question where do you get the rikudo sage chakra considering tenseigan appears to be just a lookalike not the legit thing, and beast per ball idea too since Obito had three yet formed just the one. There is no 'bomb' either really, its just extends stupidly fast to pulverize anything in a wide area akin to jinton.
I'm assuming you're comfortable to bumping the count up to ten or eleven then? And there's a lot you probably should read up on concerning the Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Sage Chakra, and how it adapts into SL.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Six_Paths_Chakra#Six_Paths_Chakra
Like I've explained before, in the series the Six Paths Chakra is what allows the Rinnegan to be awakened (It's also acquired after popping in a Rinnegan, apparently). And this chakra comes about when the chakra of Ashura and Indra are combined after a long period of time. But how this translates on SL, is that every Senju and Uchiha has the potential to mix the two and unlock the Rinnegan (bearing in mind, that they have an EMS already). This is due to the fact that if we had to establish a Hagoromo, Ashura and Indra characters, everybody would not sit right with it since we're already head-deep into the Rinnegan pit and we would have to void ALL other Rinnegan in existence. And the fact that people would probably treat them as a whole other thing to hunt and regulate like Biju would be another mess many wouldn't want at all.
The Six Paths Sage Chakra is what you get when you mix Natural Energy with the chakra. But since on SL we've made it so you have to choose between the Rinnegan and Sage Mode, only those who've gone the Sage Mode route can make the Six Paths Sage Chakra.
But the point of actually putting these requirements, is to help adapt them and keep them under control on SL.
Not the place for it though, so commenting on tenseigan itself.
As anyone who read the thing would see, assuming its legit info of course with almost all info from movie missing still, if you guys want this it has to be modified fairly heavily if you want it on SL, cause its canonical self simply wont work. Comparing it to rinnegan, even that is not nearly as far-out if you cut out the part of combining specifically reincarnee chakras, not just genetics.
This info came DIRECTLY from the official databook that was given out to first-day movie goers, which was scanned. It was then translated by those on Narutopedia (the place that we get all our info from), where they have also translated info from all the other databooks (and the manga) and applied it to the respective articles. All databooks are done by Kishi himself, along with the chapters too of course. But the truth is, we have no choice but to rely on this info. Think about it. As far as I know, not everyone here can read Japanese or have access to the raw chapters as they come out. We have to rely on scanners, translators and scanlators to give us our crack that is the manga. We have to rely on the fact that what we've been reading, is THE actual Naruto coming out in Japan, and not just some giant cruel underground joke. You can also apply this to history books, but that's a whole other area of historical research and philosophical ideas that would be too scary for some on here to get into or handle.
Read the previous for things concerning the reincarnations and chakra-stealing stuff.
Tenseigan? Have to be 100% ootsutsuki (which appears to be a dead clan outside of Toneri btw), your own eyes sealed into the altar after birth most likely, I'd daresay visit the moon as well, implant somebodys byakugan without dying or organ rejection. And even then, despite the OPness, it'd be technically finite chakra, not to mention the as of yet completely unexplained fairly gross blob picture of Toneri being overtaken by some white gunk.
Refer to what I said about the Rinnegan and SL adaptation. Let's not get into space-travel and rituals and stuff either. Eyes have been shown to be simple plug-n-play even in the series. (Heck, even in the movie Toneri just plugs in Hanabi's eyes, and Hinata just plucks the eyes back out after he's lying on the floor defeated). Hyuuga/Otsutsuki mixing (either from birth or implant) is fine. But the power of the Tenseigan and it's granted techniques should be regulated by the amount of Rinnegan resets you have. One being at a beginner's level, and six being at full power and mastery. But what we're going to tone that power down to, since some have objections to having it roughly equal to the Nine-tails Chakra Mode, still needs to be discussed.
Only way I could think of on the fly of this possibly being a thing, is if whatever eye magic unlocking it would require would grant you the ability to make the chakra cloak outta the power you pour out of your tenketsu. Think of it as a compressed, constantly active molded kaiten if you will, lol.
It's like the Sharingan and Rinnegan's special techniques that have nothing to do with vision. It just works.
As for it being some special uber chakra...uhh, prolly not. Even susanoo is ultimately the users own, instead of coming from some mystery source.
Uchiha chakra levels, etc. But the Tenseigan Chakra Mode would be directly from the user's chakra, which should also be large due to even more genetic buffs and shenanigans.
Edit: forgot preta path mention. Absorbing one would kill you unless you start breaking your own rules, since the nature energy innit would just petrify you.
Actually, the interesting thing about the technique is that it requires some Senjutsu application to form, but it's completely a Ninjutsu technique. This is probably why Senjutsu is so effective against it, since Senjutsu overpowers Ninjutsu. It's a Ninjutsu that specifically defeats Ninjutsu (and whatever else comes into contact with it). Just like the Preta Path is a Ninjutsu that defeats Ninjutsu.
But let me know if I've missed something. Half-asleep here.
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Complete outsider perspective, but can someone tell me what the problem with treating this the same way SL treats the Rinnegan is? In simple, layman terms if you don't mind.
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It most likely will be the same kyutu, because a purely canon version of tenseigan would be simply impossible. Now its more a question of what the differences from canon version on SL would be.
As for Kage's points, if you have the full set of chakras, its ten balls regardless, Madara/Obito just formed one staff and kept nine in reserve, Naruto made two and kept eight.
Also I'm quite well aware of rikudou stuff, thank you very much, that's why I mentioned it, and am also wondering whats the point you're trying to make o_O on SL, uchiha + senju can mix chakras to go rinnegan thus rikudou? Well okay. Rinne people can't get sage mode so they can't do rikudou sage? Okay. Sage moders can mix senjutsu with it to get rikudou sage? Uhh no. Following your thing up so far, even if you were uchiha + senju with sage stead of rinne, you'd be just a normal sage, since due to inability to mix the chakras to get rinne thus get rikudou you'd also have nothing to get the rikudou sage from.
I also made a small typo, this; "considering tenseigan appears to be just a lookalike"; should have balls in there too. If going by info gotten so far, the tenseigan balls are just swirly green balls made of energy from now dead ootsutsukis. Might be bloody powerful but some core differences to legit balls would still apply I daresay.
Moving on, so its from data book, okay, I'm cool with that, but it doesn't change the fact its still hella vague, and is assumably going to make much more sense after one has seen it in the movie itself. I for one haven't, haven't been able to find it anywhere yet.
Moving on, of course I know people can't do moon trips on SL, that's why I specifically pointed it out so people can see how dorky it'd be -__-' as for the instant eye implantation, I can't comment on Toneri cause as aforementioned haven't seen movie yet, but other than him I've never seen anyone do it except Madara, who had Hashi's healing power at that point. For him it really would be as simple as just stick it in, the nerves would reattach themselves after that. For Sasuke it took surgery and days of recuperating, and though it wasn't shown how Obito did it we can assume it either was same as Sasuke, or slightly quicker due to possible slightly hastened healing which I'm recall half zetsuness granted.
Moving on, I beg to differ on the 'it just works cause lolmagic and chakra'. Or well sure, if you want to pull that then be my guest, but I prefer to at least try have some logic to things, which is why I gave the kaiten-esque example of how it could possibly work on SL. Mangekyo? Tsuku and koto are illusions, amaterasu makes special flames outta your chakra and flings them out, susanoo lets the user spew out the huge chakra mass and form it to the giant, might even be the eyes that are the control tool though considering madara made one while eyeless I suspect the eyes are just the activator, similar to how a huge trauma is activator to mangekyo.
Kamui is the only slight question mark since only one instance of it was shown in the series, unlike SL. On-site each have their own pocket dimension for it, as silly as that is, but at least in canon I suspect that if someone else than Obito/Kakashi had kamui then ultimately they'd have been connected to the same dimension. It would make sense for a couple of reasons, starting from heritage.
Rinne-sharingan can warp user to many dimensions. Rinnegan is descended from it, and can access 'limbo' which is far enough removed to be invisible to naked eye, but close enough for your clones there to interact with this one still. Sasuke's teleport tech might have something to do with this still. Sharingan in turn is descended from rinnegan, so it could be kamui is just an entire dimension of its own, even further removed than limbo so nothing in there can interact with this one, but still not completely separated. After all, if it was completely separate and just a pocket dimension, if you swirled yourself in at some spot then wouldn't it make sense you'd come out at exact same spot. Instead, Obito could come out wherever he pleased, like the two were overlapping each other.
A bit ranty, but see? Logic. That's where my tenseigan chakra mode idea was from, expelling chakra from every tenketsu akin to kaiten, and forming the cloak out of it. As for the 'whatever eye magic' mention, that was just a generalized meaning for whatever way -if any- ends up being the way to unlock tenseigan on-site.
Lastly, preta business. The balls take nature energy to form, so why on earth would it suddenly disappear after they're made? They wouldn't, so, suck up a ball via preta path, and you suck up all its made of, nature energy included. Same thing happened when Nagato's preta caught Naruto and sucked up his senjutsu, nature energy came along with it, and bam petrified. As for why the balls can't negate senjutsu even at onmyodo level, pure guess here, but by common sense it'd be because senjutsu has nature energy like the balls do, so it'd be the same as trying to negate itself, in other words impossible, so instead of the senjutsu getting pulverized it produces a clash instead. Kind of like the guns against those ghosts in the crappy final fantasy movie.
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If you'll recall there were Rinnegan and sage mode resets being added into the game that forced us to acknowledge the Rinnegan in rp. No such thing is happening here.
My god people, we all say stuff is too OP but we're going to add this for no reason? Void it. There are 0 positive outcomes to adding this to rp.
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If you'll recall there were Rinnegan and sage mode resets being added into the game that forced us to acknowledge the Rinnegan in rp. No such thing is happening here.
My god people, we all say stuff is too OP but we're going to add this for no reason? Void it. There are 0 positive outcomes to adding this to rp.
Void it because there are no Tenseigan resets?
As for positive outcomes, it may add more byakugan users, and therefore more variety, to SL RP. If Rinnegan is okay as is, I can't really see the harm in Tenseigan. It's not as if it gives any of the paths or anything. I'm not even certain it gives mastery over all elemental affinities like the Rinnegan does. The only special move it adds is the Chakra cloak + truth balls maybe if allowed, and a base power-up from what I understand.
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Yes people running around at faster than Raiton no Yoroi speeds with balls that negate all ninjutsu. That's what SL has sorely needed to encourage activity in rp.
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It most likely will be the same kyutu, because a purely canon version of tenseigan would be simply impossible. Now its more a question of what the differences from canon version on SL would be.
As for Kage's points, if you have the full set of chakras, its ten balls regardless, Madara/Obito just formed one staff and kept nine in reserve, Naruto made two and kept eight.
Also I'm quite well aware of rikudou stuff, thank you very much, that's why I mentioned it, and am also wondering whats the point you're trying to make o_O on SL, uchiha + senju can mix chakras to go rinnegan thus rikudou? Well okay. Rinne people can't get sage mode so they can't do rikudou sage? Okay. Sage moders can mix senjutsu with it to get rikudou sage? Uhh no. Following your thing up so far, even if you were uchiha + senju with sage stead of rinne, you'd be just a normal sage, since due to inability to mix the chakras to get rinne thus get rikudou you'd also have nothing to get the rikudou sage from.
I also made a small typo, this; "considering tenseigan appears to be just a lookalike"; should have balls in there too. If going by info gotten so far, the tenseigan balls are just swirly green balls made of energy from now dead ootsutsukis. Might be bloody powerful but some core differences to legit balls would still apply I daresay.
Moving on, so its from data book, okay, I'm cool with that, but it doesn't change the fact its still hella vague, and is assumably going to make much more sense after one has seen it in the movie itself. I for one haven't, haven't been able to find it anywhere yet.
Moving on, of course I know people can't do moon trips on SL, that's why I specifically pointed it out so people can see how dorky it'd be -__-' as for the instant eye implantation, I can't comment on Toneri cause as aforementioned haven't seen movie yet, but other than him I've never seen anyone do it except Madara, who had Hashi's healing power at that point. For him it really would be as simple as just stick it in, the nerves would reattach themselves after that. For Sasuke it took surgery and days of recuperating, and though it wasn't shown how Obito did it we can assume it either was same as Sasuke, or slightly quicker due to possible slightly hastened healing which I'm recall half zetsuness granted.
Moving on, I beg to differ on the 'it just works cause lolmagic and chakra'. Or well sure, if you want to pull that then be my guest, but I prefer to at least try have some logic to things, which is why I gave the kaiten-esque example of how it could possibly work on SL. Mangekyo? Tsuku and koto are illusions, amaterasu makes special flames outta your chakra and flings them out, susanoo lets the user spew out the huge chakra mass and form it to the giant, might even be the eyes that are the control tool though considering madara made one while eyeless I suspect the eyes are just the activator, similar to how a huge trauma is activator to mangekyo.
Kamui is the only slight question mark since only one instance of it was shown in the series, unlike SL. On-site each have their own pocket dimension for it, as silly as that is, but at least in canon I suspect that if someone else than Obito/Kakashi had kamui then ultimately they'd have been connected to the same dimension. It would make sense for a couple of reasons, starting from heritage.
Rinne-sharingan can warp user to many dimensions. Rinnegan is descended from it, and can access 'limbo' which is far enough removed to be invisible to naked eye, but close enough for your clones there to interact with this one still. Sasuke's teleport tech might have something to do with this still. Sharingan in turn is descended from rinnegan, so it could be kamui is just an entire dimension of its own, even further removed than limbo so nothing in there can interact with this one, but still not completely separated. After all, if it was completely separate and just a pocket dimension, if you swirled yourself in at some spot then wouldn't it make sense you'd come out at exact same spot. Instead, Obito could come out wherever he pleased, like the two were overlapping each other.
A bit ranty, but see? Logic. That's where my tenseigan chakra mode idea was from, expelling chakra from every tenketsu akin to kaiten, and forming the cloak out of it. As for the 'whatever eye magic' mention, that was just a generalized meaning for whatever way -if any- ends up being the way to unlock tenseigan on-site.
Lastly, preta business. The balls take nature energy to form, so why on earth would it suddenly disappear after they're made? They wouldn't, so, suck up a ball via preta path, and you suck up all its made of, nature energy included. Same thing happened when Nagato's preta caught Naruto and sucked up his senjutsu, nature energy came along with it, and bam petrified. As for why the balls can't negate senjutsu even at onmyodo level, pure guess here, but by common sense it'd be because senjutsu has nature energy like the balls do, so it'd be the same as trying to negate itself, in other words impossible, so instead of the senjutsu getting pulverized it produces a clash instead. Kind of like the guns against those ghosts in the crappy final fantasy movie.
Another main reason why we don't allow Rinnegan + Sage Mode, is because you would literally have Sage of Six Paths status. But why wouldn't you consider somebody without the Rinnegan to not truly have the Six Paths Chakra? Just because we had to make an OOC decision down the forked road?
And the Truth-Seeking Balls are just Ninjutsu because Kishi says so. (We actually get the Classification, Rank, Type, Class and Range sections of the jutsu infoboxes on the wiki straight from how his databooks categorize and explain techniques.) And Toneri is a confirmed user after going Tenseigan Chakra Mode, which is also listed in the databook. The only difference with his though, is that they glow green because of the chakra mode.
Anyways, anybody could see that I'm for Hyuugas finally being able to feel special and have fun. More Hyuugas means more variety. And more variety of Hyuugas means more Hyuuga chicks. It's like you guys hate Hyuuga chicks! Toneri wanted one, and Naruto hooked up with one Toneri wanted and eventually went on to make another small Hyuuga chick with his Hyuuga chick. Heck, even Konohamaru is having a push at hooking up with the sister of Naruto's Hyuuga chick.
But yeah, more variety would be fun, since it produces less in-breeding. And I'm still pushing for the requirements for using the Truth-Seeking Balls to be put in place.
If you'll recall there were Rinnegan and sage mode resets being added into the game that forced us to acknowledge the Rinnegan in rp. No such thing is happening here.
My god people, we all say stuff is too OP but we're going to add this for no reason? Void it. There are 0 positive outcomes to adding this to rp.
Void it because there are no Tenseigan resets?
As for positive outcomes, it may add more byakugan users, and therefore more variety, to SL RP. If Rinnegan is okay as is, I can't really see the harm in Tenseigan. It's not as if it gives any of the paths or anything. I'm not even certain it gives mastery over all elemental affinities like the Rinnegan does. The only special move it adds is the Chakra cloak + truth balls maybe if allowed, and a base power-up from what I understand.
There aren't any resets for the other elemental KG, and yet we stick those by the reset system too. (But I've been seeing more people getting lax about that. Don't know if that's good or not.)
Yes people running around at faster than Raiton no Yoroi speeds with balls that negate all ninjutsu. That's what SL has sorely needed to encourage activity in rp.
Sage Mode + Raiton Chakra Mode. There, I believe I've just outclassed Hiraishin and Nine-tails Chakra Mode speeds. But even then, both of those too are subject-able to Senjutsu Chakra enhancement. But I guess adding another clause about not being able to use any other jutsu (except Sage Mode/Tenseigan Chakra Mode) while using the balls would help to balance that out, since you're literally handling and forming an element composed out of all others.
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Yes people running around at faster than Raiton no Yoroi speeds with balls that negate all ninjutsu. That's what SL has sorely needed to encourage activity in rp.
On the other hand, soul stealing, gravity changing, all jutsu-knowing and predicting, dimension hopping, instant forced teleportation on one's self and others among plenty of other Rinnegan/Mangekyo Sharingan-only techniques is A-okay, because there are resets for it?
Also, I said variety, nothing about activity.
Honestly though, I'm just confused on where exactly it is you want to draw the line.
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My suggestion of letting it go until more details are brought out is clearly out the window, so let me attempt to pitch in here.
I believe that the easiest, and I mean the easiest, way to incorporate Tensaigan into a reset SL (we are not even considering how you would get this if you wanted to RP with it yet in this post) is to have Byakugan + Kaguya + Sage mode. Byakugan for obvious reasons, and sage mode for obvious reasons.
But why Kaguya? Well, this goes back to the argument of making Tensaigan the Hyugan equivalent of the Rinnegan. Senju + Uchiha = Rinnegan, so Kaguya + Hyuga = Tensaigan right? Incredible physical energy plus ocular prowess plus ability to manipulate senjutsu would logically power up a Byakugan to the point in which we have this super dojutsu. What about eye replacements and all that jazz? Well, just like with EMS, sacrifice your own eyes via some made up ritual technique and implant the eyes of another Hyugan.
What effects would this have? Well, by combining the great chakra control of the Hyugan with the ability to manipulate natural energy, you can create a special ethereal cloak around yourself that does some cool stuff. Those special balls? Well, since I object to Rinnegan having them, I would logically object to Tensaigan having them.
Now, how about if we want to overlook the reset system and do this RPwise, because there are people on this site who would like to see that alternative (because of the way the reset system rubs). Well, RPwise, I still would argue Kaguya + Hyuga + sage control, just that it is RP'd out.
And yes, now that I am this far, if a Kaguya were to implant the eyes of a Hyugan (rather than just be born of both because, you know, everyone has their own way) then they would have to sacrifice the first set of eyes to get the second pair powered up.
I'm all for more Hyugans again (even though non-dojutsu folks still find the bottom side of the rug) but I am still against those truth seeking balls for either great dojutsu.
And regarding Kage's post, you cannot outclass hiraishin at great distances (like across a continent) because teleportation of similar speed is almost always superior to swift movement of similar speed at incredibly great distances. The spans of most zones though tend to be small enough for this not to be a factor, so truly it could outclass it at short distances, but not extremely long distances.
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Nothing against hyuga love, I'm a naruhina person myself.
And I'm saying a non rinne uchiha + senju wouldn't have rikudou chakra by your rules, because even you yourself just said so.
"But how this translates on SL, is that every Senju and Uchiha has the potential to mix the two and unlock the Rinnegan (bearing in mind, that they have an EMS already)."
Mix the chakras, it becomes rikudou chakra and you get rinne. Don't mix, you get mokuton at most, if even that, no rikudou whatsoever. And seeing as sage mode locks you from rinne, you can prolly see the bag you talked yourself into.
As for the balls, for tenseigan sort guess we'll see with the movie. For normal I wouldn't be so iron of databook = god about them being pure ninjutsu tho, cause really, it makes no sense whatsoever. Nature energy doesn't just disappear, it'll stay there in the jutsu, just like in senjutsu. If anything its classified as ninjutsu because it doesn't involve bashing faces like tai, nor tripping balls like gen, no pun intended.
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My suggestion of letting it go until more details are brought out is clearly out the window, so let me attempt to pitch in here.
I believe that the easiest, and I mean the easiest, way to incorporate Tensaigan into a reset SL (we are not even considering how you would get this if you wanted to RP with it yet in this post) is to have Byakugan + Kaguya + Sage mode. Byakugan for obvious reasons, and sage mode for obvious reasons.
But why Kaguya? Well, this goes back to the argument of making Tensaigan the Hyugan equivalent of the Rinnegan. Senju + Uchiha = Rinnegan, so Kaguya + Hyuga = Tensaigan right? Incredible physical energy plus ocular prowess plus ability to manipulate senjutsu would logically power up a Byakugan to the point in which we have this super dojutsu. What about eye replacements and all that jazz? Well, just like with EMS, sacrifice your own eyes via some made up ritual technique and implant the eyes of another Hyugan.
What effects would this have? Well, by combining the great chakra control of the Hyugan with the ability to manipulate natural energy, you can create a special ethereal cloak around yourself that does some cool stuff. Those special balls? Well, since I object to Rinnegan having them, I would logically object to Tensaigan having them.
Now, how about if we want to overlook the reset system and do this RPwise, because there are people on this site who would like to see that alternative (because of the way the reset system rubs). Well, RPwise, I still would argue Kaguya + Hyuga + sage control, just that it is RP'd out.
And yes, now that I am this far, if a Kaguya were to implant the eyes of a Hyugan (rather than just be born of both because, you know, everyone has their own way) then they would have to sacrifice the first set of eyes to get the second pair powered up.
I'm all for more Hyugans again (even though non-dojutsu folks still find the bottom side of the rug) but I am still against those truth seeking balls for either great dojutsu.
Actually, this is a good point if we want to make this the Rinnegan's opposite. Just like we have a minimum for unlocking Rinnegan, we should probably require 4 Hyuuga and 1 or 2 Kaguya before using a Rinnegan/Sage Mode reset for Tenseigan. But should one's Kaguyaness/Eight Gates be voided upon subbing those resets? It seems fair, since this is the warrior mode to the Rinnegan's mage mode. (And then we have Sage Mode!)Though we'll probably tone it down just a bit to be weaker than Nine-tails Chakra Mode, just to satisfy the status quo.
I'm not so sure about the whole eye-snatching factor being played into this. The Uchiha are supposed to be all about that, since they're the grumpiest and edgiest clan by nature. Do we really want the Hyuuga to get involved in all that? They would literally be trying to snipe each-other out left and right with their natural sniper-scopes. Heck, give it time and we'll push them into actually developing guns.
But that's kind-of the whole point of having some genetic superiority over others. Especially if you're descended from what I like to call, one of the Great Four Clans: Uchiha, Senju, Hyuuga and Otsusuki.
And regarding Kage's post, you cannot outclass hiraishin at great distances (like across a continent) because teleportation of similar speed is almost always superior to swift movement of similar speed at incredibly great distances. The spans of most zones though tend to be small enough for this not to be a factor, so truly it could outclass it at short distances, but not extremely long distances.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e365/AzureFlame_Kite/1265347292336_zps87e9619a.jpg)
Nothing against hyuga love, I'm a naruhina person myself.
And I'm saying a non rinne uchiha + senju wouldn't have rikudou chakra by your rules, because even you yourself just said so.
"But how this translates on SL, is that every Senju and Uchiha has the potential to mix the two and unlock the Rinnegan (bearing in mind, that they have an EMS already)."
Mix the chakras, it becomes rikudou chakra and you get rinne. Don't mix, you get mokuton at most, if even that, no rikudou whatsoever. And seeing as sage mode locks you from rinne, you can prolly see the bag you talked yourself into.
As for the balls, for tenseigan sort guess we'll see with the movie. For normal I wouldn't be so iron of databook = god about them being pure ninjutsu tho, cause really, it makes no sense whatsoever. Nature energy doesn't just disappear, it'll stay there in the jutsu, just like in senjutsu. If anything its classified as ninjutsu because it doesn't involve bashing faces like tai, nor tripping balls like gen, no pun intended.
It's Chakra and Natural Energy and stuff. It kinda either disappears or returns to the air after usage. Probably both in their respective ways.
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Yes people running around at faster than Raiton no Yoroi speeds with balls that negate all ninjutsu. That's what SL has sorely needed to encourage activity in rp.
On the other hand, soul stealing, gravity changing, all jutsu-knowing and predicting, dimension hopping, instant forced teleportation on one's self and others among plenty of other Rinnegan/Mangekyo Sharingan-only techniques is A-okay, because there are resets for it?
Also, I said variety, nothing about activity.
Honestly though, I'm just confused on where exactly it is you want to draw the line.
Yes, because all of those abilities are dependent on a person's skill in a fight. There's not a Rinnegan or Sharingan jutsu that can't be avoided by people smart enough, most Sharingan techs are countered by Hidden Mist Jutsu for christsake.
Since I've been in roughly 5000% more zone fights then you maybe you could trust my opinion in saying how much better Tenseigan chakra mode would be than the Rinnegan, I can just see right off the bat how stupid it would be. If Tenseigan mode is weaker than 9 tails chakra mode by combining it with Sage Mode and Raiton no Yoroi you'd easily jump over that amount of speed and power.
I've loved the past 5 years or so of proving people wrong as much as the next guy, but maybe this one time we could just NOT do the dumb thing. I said it when Rinnegan was being released that it shouldn't be acknowledged in rp, and now rp is really dumb with 3 dozen Rinnegan users. I'm saying it again now. Just don't do it. Acknowledge this is a dumb idea and make some cool custom Hyuuga jutsu instead. Hyuuga/Sage Mode is already much better than Sharingan/Rinnegan, it just requires you actually be good at zone fighting to use it effectively.
Nintaijutsu is "the meta" of SL if you will. Ninjutsu is useless if you're too fast to be hit by anything. Allowing this is just buffing what is already the strongest way to fight.
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My suggestion of letting it go until more details are brought out is clearly out the window, so let me attempt to pitch in here.
I believe that the easiest, and I mean the easiest, way to incorporate Tensaigan into a reset SL (we are not even considering how you would get this if you wanted to RP with it yet in this post) is to have Byakugan + Kaguya + Sage mode. Byakugan for obvious reasons, and sage mode for obvious reasons.
But why Kaguya? Well, this goes back to the argument of making Tensaigan the Hyugan equivalent of the Rinnegan. Senju + Uchiha = Rinnegan, so Kaguya + Hyuga = Tensaigan right? Incredible physical energy plus ocular prowess plus ability to manipulate senjutsu would logically power up a Byakugan to the point in which we have this super dojutsu. What about eye replacements and all that jazz? Well, just like with EMS, sacrifice your own eyes via some made up ritual technique and implant the eyes of another Hyugan.
What effects would this have? Well, by combining the great chakra control of the Hyugan with the ability to manipulate natural energy, you can create a special ethereal cloak around yourself that does some cool stuff. Those special balls? Well, since I object to Rinnegan having them, I would logically object to Tensaigan having them.
Now, how about if we want to overlook the reset system and do this RPwise, because there are people on this site who would like to see that alternative (because of the way the reset system rubs). Well, RPwise, I still would argue Kaguya + Hyuga + sage control, just that it is RP'd out.
And yes, now that I am this far, if a Kaguya were to implant the eyes of a Hyugan (rather than just be born of both because, you know, everyone has their own way) then they would have to sacrifice the first set of eyes to get the second pair powered up.
I'm all for more Hyugans again (even though non-dojutsu folks still find the bottom side of the rug) but I am still against those truth seeking balls for either great dojutsu.
Actually, this is a good point if we want to make this the Rinnegan's opposite. Just like we have a minimum for unlocking Rinnegan, we should probably require 4 Hyuuga and 1 or 2 Kaguya before using a Rinnegan/Sage Mode reset for Tenseigan. But should one's Kaguyaness/Eight Gates be voided upon subbing those resets? It seems fair, since this is the warrior mode to the Rinnegan's mage mode. (And then we have Sage Mode!)Though we'll probably tone it down just a bit to be weaker than Nine-tails Chakra Mode, just to satisfy the status quo.
I'm not so sure about the whole eye-snatching factor being played into this. The Uchiha are supposed to be all about that, since they're the grumpiest and edgiest clan by nature. Do we really want the Hyuuga to get involved in all that? They would literally be trying to snipe each-other out left and right with their natural sniper-scopes. Heck, give it time and we'll push them into actually developing guns.
But that's kind-of the whole point of having some genetic superiority over others. Especially if you're descended from what I like to call, one of the Great Four Clans: Uchiha, Senju, Hyuuga and Otsusuki.
And regarding Kage's post, you cannot outclass hiraishin at great distances (like across a continent) because teleportation of similar speed is almost always superior to swift movement of similar speed at incredibly great distances. The spans of most zones though tend to be small enough for this not to be a factor, so truly it could outclass it at short distances, but not extremely long distances.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e365/AzureFlame_Kite/1265347292336_zps87e9619a.jpg)
Nothing against hyuga love, I'm a naruhina person myself.
And I'm saying a non rinne uchiha + senju wouldn't have rikudou chakra by your rules, because even you yourself just said so.
"But how this translates on SL, is that every Senju and Uchiha has the potential to mix the two and unlock the Rinnegan (bearing in mind, that they have an EMS already)."
Mix the chakras, it becomes rikudou chakra and you get rinne. Don't mix, you get mokuton at most, if even that, no rikudou whatsoever. And seeing as sage mode locks you from rinne, you can prolly see the bag you talked yourself into.
As for the balls, for tenseigan sort guess we'll see with the movie. For normal I wouldn't be so iron of databook = god about them being pure ninjutsu tho, cause really, it makes no sense whatsoever. Nature energy doesn't just disappear, it'll stay there in the jutsu, just like in senjutsu. If anything its classified as ninjutsu because it doesn't involve bashing faces like tai, nor tripping balls like gen, no pun intended.
It's Chakra and Natural Energy and stuff. It kinda either disappears or returns to the air after usage. Probably both in their respective ways.
Do Rinnegan folks lose Mokuton when they power up? No, so why would Tensaigans lose their Kaguya (not eight gates, that is something they wouldn't reset in period) powers then? They could use the ash-killing bones technique in the Tensaigan form, for example (presuming people aren't trying to do that without Hyuga + Kaguya).
According to Narutopedia, Tensaigan is the equal to Rinnegan. Without any further context, this assumes that it allows him to master all chakra natures just like the Rinnegan.
Him using the cloak is the equivalent of the Sage of Six Paths awakening the Rinnegan himself; by using natural energy and going into sage mode, his special chakra allows him to awaken Six Paths Sage Mode. Similar parallel going on over here.
The lack of the ability to use the Six Paths may seem like a downer, but the ability to use yin-yang Kaguya techs, the ability to use yin-yang Hyuga techs (of custom nature of course, essentially rendering all ninjutsu and senjutsu against the user nigh useless) and the special sage mode is more than enough without the additional speed, endurance, and truth seeking bull- I mean balls.
In my opinion, if we have to have a Rinnegan and we can have a tame version of Tensaigan, then I say go for it. I dislike the Rinnegan and Tensaigan as the next guy because it makes it even harder for me to fight in a zone without needing yet another power-up, but Rinnegan is here to stay. It is time for Uchiha-Senju to take a side-bench and actually have a bloodline to compete with them.
As much as that craps over everyone else not of these special bloodlines...
*P.S After taking a jog around my house, I have come to the realization that all this is really going to do is replace Uchiha-Senju with Kaguya-Hyuga... Replacing one master for another.
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Yes people running around at faster than Raiton no Yoroi speeds with balls that negate all ninjutsu. That's what SL has sorely needed to encourage activity in rp.
On the other hand, soul stealing, gravity changing, all jutsu-knowing and predicting, dimension hopping, instant forced teleportation on one's self and others among plenty of other Rinnegan/Mangekyo Sharingan-only techniques is A-okay, because there are resets for it?
Also, I said variety, nothing about activity.
Honestly though, I'm just confused on where exactly it is you want to draw the line.
Yes, because all of those abilities are dependent on a person's skill in a fight. There's not a Rinnegan or Sharingan jutsu that can't be avoided by people smart enough, most Sharingan techs are countered by Hidden Mist Jutsu for christsake.
Since I've been in roughly 5000% more zone fights then you maybe you could trust my opinion in saying how much better Tenseigan chakra mode would be than the Rinnegan, I can just see right off the bat how stupid it would be. If Tenseigan mode is weaker than 9 tails chakra mode by combining it with Sage Mode and Raiton no Yoroi you'd easily jump over that amount of speed and power.
I've loved the past 5 years or so of proving people wrong as much as the next guy, but maybe this one time we could just NOT do the dumb thing. I said it when Rinnegan was being released that it shouldn't be acknowledged in rp, and now rp is really dumb with 3 dozen Rinnegan users. I'm saying it again now. Just don't do it. Acknowledge this is a dumb idea and make some cool custom Hyuuga jutsu instead. Hyuuga/Sage Mode is already much better than Sharingan/Rinnegan, it just requires you actually be good at zone fighting to use it effectively.
Nintaijutsu is "the meta" of SL if you will. Ninjutsu is useless if you're too fast to be hit by anything. Allowing this is just buffing what is already the strongest way to fight.
Sorry, but I won't take your experience in zoning as evidence. My only question is where is the line drawn for what is and isn't acceptable? The Tenseigan is, as stated by the articles, equivalent in power to the Rinnegan. What makes this less acceptable than said Rinnegan? Obviously we are excluding auto-hitting attacks and things which are already axed by the rules.
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Well enough nerfed/regulated/wte word you prefer, it can work. Matching up to kyuubi cloaks not really an excuse to axe it either, cause a whole lot of things can do that already. What's one more to the pile, lol.
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This here is why I left SL.
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This here is why I left SL.
The discussions or the introduction of more power creeping tools?
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What's the point of adding it if it has to be chopped to pieces to be acceptable? That seems like a good reason that it shouldn't be added. I already explained why it's a dumb idea, I'm not going to do it again. I'll just do the same thing I did with the Rinnegan,I'll say how bad an idea it is, be ignored, and then get it myself and become unbeatable. Belphegor is already nearly set up to get the Tenseigan if it becomes allowed, so I'll just have two unbeatable characters, why not?
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What's the point of adding it if it has to be chopped to pieces to be acceptable? That seems like a good reason that it shouldn't be added. I already explained why it's a dumb idea, I'm not going to do it again. I'll just do the same thing I did with the Rinnegan,I'll say how bad an idea it is, be ignored, and then get it myself and become unbeatable. Belphegor is already nearly set up to get the Tenseigan if it becomes allowed, so I'll just have two unbeatable characters, why not?
Same could be said for:
Edo Tensei
Hiraishin
Tailed Beasts
Kekkei Tota
Rinnegan
Kamui
Susanoo
But we've applied general guidelines to all of those, either it be on how to get them or how to use them. And SL is not so much of a place where definite rules can be applied. Though we can put up guidelines for everyone to follow. Sure you can not participate with someone via RP by voiding them, but you can only void so many individuals until you basically have to RP with yourself.
This here is why I left SL.
The discussions or the introduction of more power creeping tools?
We're RPing off a shounen manga series. Of course there are going to be power-creeping elements. Take the Rinnegan for example, since it's confirmed that the Tenseigan is equal in power.
Rinnegan
Auto-mastery of all basic elements.
Deva Path: Push away whatever comes after you. Or just point and pull someone towards you. Make a mini-moon too.
Naraka Path: Interrogate someone so that they'll either tell you the truth or immediately die.
Animal Path: Summon whatever you want.
Preta Path: Absorb Ninjutsu and chakra in general.
Ashura Path: Extra arms, legs, blades, blasters, missiles, etc.
Human Path: Touch someone and they die.
Outer Path: Shared vision with whatever has your chakra receivers stuck in them.
Now let's look at the Tenseigan.
Tenseigan
Beautiful eyes. You become even more charming!
Tensei Chakra Mode: You're suddenly strong and fast.
Truth-Seeking Balls: Obliterate stuff. (So long as you meet the requirements of the guidelines needed to use them.)
Both of these have their parallels, but they're pretty balanced out. Tenseigan needs some more tweeking in it's power, but so does everything else that's super rare/powerful.
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No it couldn't because we pretty much added all of those except perhaps Kamui and just let people abuse them into the ground until rules had to be made.
This is something that upon entry would need to be pruned bare to be acceptable, and that just makes it seem pointless to me.
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I have gone through and read everything that has been posted so far, and I’m just confused on why you wouldn’t want this in game.
It’s literally a reason for people to go back to the Hyuuga clan, and add some variety to the game again. I’m sick of everyone using Sharingan all the time. It’s so bland now. Oh cool you used Kamui...great, you and every other person.
Some people are just upset because there is something being added to the game that rivals the tailed beasts. Yeah sure that sucks for you I guess, but that is no reason to utterly deny good RP expansion.
It is easy as hell to change the Rp of how one gets this eye. Much like previously stated, the requirements for Rinne were changed so any old senju/Uchiha could get it. It will be no different for this.
“Upon learning the ability to gather Senjutsu chakra, something happened to your eyes! OH LAWD you got the Tenseigan.”
Obviously it will be more in depth than that, but you catch my drift.
Certain nerfs will be required, and certain circumstances must be met to attain the KG, much like any other special technique this game has ever added, ever.
As the resident Toneri fanboy, I for one will in fact be Rping this as soon as more details are added.
I refuse to acknowledge “It will be abused” as a valid reason not to add something to this game. If you have not taken a good look around, things like Kamui are being beaten to death to such a degree that the users should be thrown in federal prison. Rinnegan is in the hands of literally every other active role player. Everyone and their grandmother move at different levels of instant, may it be from lighting chakra mode, FTG, or just a simple shunshin it seems.
If you have never played SL before then maybe I should inform you of something pretty elementary. EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ABUSED.
So yeah, I am gonna RP Tenseigan, because I love the Hyuugas.
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Because I'd rather not knowingly make things worse. Obviously no one cares about that though. Which is why this site is where it is currently.
This wouldn't be good or interesting rp, it's just a super saiyan ability for Hyuuga.
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Because I'd rather not knowingly make things worse. Obviously no one cares about that though. Which is why this site is where it is currently.
This wouldn't be good or interesting rp, it's just a super saiyan ability for Hyuuga.
Please step down from your high horse. You have the nine tails cloak and any other buffs you can come up with on Bocc, basically giving you the ability to just claim your faster/stronger than anyone and everyone, and on Taiga you have strongest shield, Sage mode, and RNY. Quite literally all of the abilities available on SL to be mini super sayans.
There is literally nothing wrong with evening the playing field for other players.
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It is a bit hard to take the "guys seriously this is OP, stop it." argument from someone who has adorned themselves with as many OP things as they can get away with in RP.
Honestly I see no issue with the Tenseigan being in the RP as long as it's done right, the RP rules on SL are so absurdly whacky at this point with so many ludicrous things allowed that I can't think of a good reason NOT to. Sure you could call it 'yet another OP thing' but eh...at this point with all the hiraishin, edo tensei (I am guilty, oh noes), Rinnegan, 8 gates, eternal mangekyou sharingan, etc..etc..etc..that this new thing is just a drop in the bucket.
If you really want to combat things being out of control on SL then start coming up with ways to moderate the current OP-ness of what's allowed.
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...There is literally nothing wrong with evening the playing field for other players.
Until every active zoner (including Bocc), except a few, switch to Tensaigan and keep the stuff they already have. Presuming Bocc follows through on Bocc things, then he will likely be switching to the new Fad depending on how much it ends up being incorporated and comparable to Rinnegan. Presuming people get creative with it like they got creative with rinnegan, the only thing that would keep sharingan revelent would be Izanagi (since Izanami cannot be used without the sharingan) and barely at that.
Just like when the Uchiha got a powerup that made them better than Hyuugans. Give it time.
The only way to prevent that is to make them as equal as possible. Which this thread has attempted to hash out.
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Unfortunately even without those I'd still be the best, it's my curse, but I do what I can to get by.
The point is I am speaking from the position of an authority on what is OP in rp. Don't you think if anyone would know it's me?
This does not even anything, in just causes an even larger peak, just on the opposite side of the board this time.
Rinnegan is just the Rinnegan it isn't really buffed by having any other KG on your character. Tenseigan, on the other hand, synchronizes STUPIDLY WELL with Sage Mode and the 8 Gates. Everyone who resets for that would just become a far beyond Guy, 3rd Raikage, level beast.
Just like Eric said I'll do the same thing I did with Rinnegan. Say how bad of an idea it is and when I'm ignored take the new hotness and beat everyone with it, it's just what I do. I'm sure I'll think of some beyond ridiculous things to do with it that'll make everyone regret making it a thing.
The idea that this makes things even steven's is comical, honestly. xD It's a Doujutsu as strong as the Rinnegan and you get to have Sage Mode with it. It's going to be on the same level as Kotoamatsukami. It's either going to be so good it's god mod and voided, or nerfed so hard it's pointless and ignored.
So sure, slap it on the mess that is SL's rp and give more people that don't know what they're doing an excuse to god mod. I'll sit here and watch the line of people continue to file out of the website.
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So then what are the requirements for the Tenseigan?
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Dibs
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Unfortunately even without those I'd still be the best, it's my curse, but I do what I can to get by.
The point is I am speaking from the position of an authority on what is OP in rp. Don't you think if anyone would know it's me?
This does not even anything, in just causes an even larger peak, just on the opposite side of the board this time.
Rinnegan is just the Rinnegan it isn't really buffed by having any other KG on your character. Tenseigan, on the other hand, synchronizes STUPIDLY WELL with Sage Mode and the 8 Gates. Everyone who resets for that would just become a far beyond Guy, 3rd Raikage, level beast.
Just like Eric said I'll do the same thing I did with Rinnegan. Say how bad of an idea it is and when I'm ignored take the new hotness and beat everyone with it, it's just what I do. I'm sure I'll think of some beyond ridiculous things to do with it that'll make everyone regret making it a thing.
The idea that this makes things even steven's is comical, honestly. xD It's a Doujutsu as strong as the Rinnegan and you get to have Sage Mode with it. It's going to be on the same level as Kotoamatsukami. It's either going to be so good it's god mod and voided, or nerfed so hard it's pointless and ignored.
So sure, slap it on the mess that is SL's rp and give more people that don't know what they're doing an excuse to god mod. I'll sit here and watch the line of people continue to file out of the website.
What? Isn't the whole point of letting this go through, is to give the Hyuuga a choice other than going with Sage Mode? It's their Rinnegan-equivalent, so they'll have to choose between Sage Mode or Tenseigan. And as for Gates, it would be fair that those would have to be subbed for Tenseigan unlocking, as opposed to Uchihas also needing Wood Release resets to unlock their Rinnegan.
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If anything we could just state that Physically we couldn't use the Hachimon and utilize Tenseigan chakra mode simultaneously
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Sage Mode is being noted as a requirement to get Tenseigan >>
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I had imagined such, we had a discussion about what Tenseigan required some time ago, but I just wanted to check up on the requirements and all that Jazz
so right now Byakugan is obvious requirement
Sage mode is a requirement
can't use Hachimon while Tenseigan is active? Or are we not going with that?
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Sage Mode is being noted as a requirement to get Tenseigan >>
What? Where in the world are you getting this from?
Or do you mean that the sage resets (Rinnegan/Sage Mode) should be used for it? Because that's already a given.
If anything we could just state that Physically we couldn't use the Hachimon and utilize Tenseigan chakra mode simultaneously
I guess that could work.
Also, I wanted to bring up the 2 eyes, 1 eye issue. I believe that the Tenseigan Chakra Mode should only be utilized by having two eyes, instead of just one.
One more thing. For those who are complaining about "We haven't seen it used yet." Enjoy, before it gets taken down.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=819653678075803%7C
Edit: Forgot to mention that this is Naruto's Nine-tails Chakra Mode with Yin and Yang Kurama recombined into one being.
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I figured it would take both eyes to be used, and going from that video it's mostly based on gudodama stuff, so instead of Actually using Gudodama(since we all know just how overpowered it'd be with that) could we materialize chakra in the form of balls to be used for the kinds of things he was using? basically chakra solidification? Or how do we want to approach this?
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Had a feeling the combo was why the seal looks different.
Also no kg buffs rinne whatsoever? Lol, need I remind you of the gate + raiton no yoroi human path drive-by trick.
If the chakra cloaks from the byakugan, two eyes to use it is obvious since it takes two to bring any dojutsus real power out. Sharingan doesn't get susanoo without two either.
As for making balls and other shapes from chakra, that'd be easy with it.
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Yeah that's what I was thinking.
So as far as requirements all we've got is
Max Hyuuga
Max Rinne/sage
And set backs are:
No Hachimon
Both eyes Required (indefinitely)
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Why not just have Kaguya as a pre-requisite instead of Hachimon and nip it in the bud? you can't have hachimon and Kaguya in the reset system together. It can still be a rule that you can't use eight gates with this, but as far as the reset system goes, there's simpler way to go about this.
Sage Mode is being noted as a requirement to get Tenseigan >>
What? Where in the world are you getting this from?
Or do you mean that the sage resets (Rinnegan/Sage Mode) should be used for it? Because that's already a given...
Um, considering the manipulation of natural energy is required to form any sort of sage chakra (even Six Paths Sage chakra) I think mastering sage mode is kind of a must for this dojutsu. There is no logical reason to use the Rinnegan resets unless you want people using full Tensaigan at reset 1 instead of at reset 6, and we still don't even know what "full" is since they haven't dubbed or subtitled the thing yet.
And as far as the "alternative for Hyugans to go", I argue that the only option for Uchiha (to an extent) is to go Rinnegan, unless they want a sage mode enhanced mangekyou sharingan (which is not common from what I've seen, but possible I suppose). For all practical reasons, why would Hyugas go anything but sage mode if they had to go down that tree? A sage mode enhanced Hyugan with a biju cloak is practically a Hyugan enhanced with Tensaigan as has so far been postulated for use here.
Had a feeling the combo was why the seal looks different.
Also no kg buffs rinne whatsoever? Lol, need I remind you of the gate + raiton no yoroi human path drive-by trick.
If the chakra cloaks from the byakugan, two eyes to use it is obvious since it takes two to bring any dojutsus real power out. Sharingan doesn't get susanoo without two either.
As for making balls and other shapes from chakra, that'd be easy with it.
If I may ask Warren, how many people actually do that? I am not saying it is possible, but realistically speaking, someone who abuses that frequently is not going to be someone people are going to zone with very often if at all unless they either want to prove a point or have a way to counter it.
I am not saying let's start buffing Rinnegan too now, but that trick is incredible cheap, and is almost worth a voiding really for how OP it can be. Tricks like that, idealistically, do not stay in circulation for very long.
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Well what would being a Kaguya have to do with it? I mean yeah Kaguya Utsutsuki had the Shikotsumyaku, but I think that was just because of her super chakra powers, or am I wrong?
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I meant with a chakra cloak its particularly easy. Ordinary spacial manipulation is a bit more limited because whatever you do needs a logical explanation behind it, unlike a cloaks 'it moves because I tell it to'.
As for kaguya, its not the KG in particular, but rather genetics. Closest you can get to being an ootsutsuki without being born as one, is being uchiha + senju, or hyuga + kaguya.
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That makes sense at least, Kaguya+Hyuuga=Otsotsuki or whatever << I'll never be able to spell that.
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Kage has been good this year so I'm sure Santa will get him Tenseigan Chakra Mode for Christmas.
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Kage is an Uchiha. <<
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Kage is an Uchiha. <<
Guess you've never heard of a Christmas miracle.
And what happened, then? Well, in Shinobi Legends they say – that Bocchiere's small heart grew three sizes that day. And then – the true meaning of Christmas came through, and Bocchiere found the strength of ten Bocchieres, plus two!
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That'd be really OP.
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I mean Senju and Uchiha were closer to Otsutsuki because they were the descendants, and Senju was Ashura(the good ones) and the Uchiha were Indra.
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Being Otsutsuki doesn't mean you need Senju/Uchiha. Hamura had no Rinnegan or Sharingan and apparently Toneri is his descendant so it would mean that you'd probably only need a Byakugan to use the Tenseigan.
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We've already established that Byakugan is for Tenseigan, but thanks for the imput.
I just don't think Hyuuga/Kaguya should be necessary, but I wont argue if that's how we're trying to do it
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Yeah, Kaguya would unnecessary. From my understanding the Otsutsuki clan that Hamura led was just an ancient version of the Hyuuga.
"Before going to the moon, his bloodline continued which eventually would become the Hyūga clan and the Byakugan was also passed down to them. His descendants of the Ōtsutsuki clan also acquired the Byakugan, however they sealed their eyes in the Tenseigan altar. One of his descendants and the sole survivor of the Ōtsutsuki clan, Toneri Ōtsutsuki misinterprets his will while trying to punish mankind for abusing chakra and using it to have wars.[10]"
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The idea of mixing Kaguya and Hyuga for this was purely a suggestion to make it fit somewhat with the reset system and make it comparable to Rinnegan in acquisition in that system.
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Yeah That's what I figured it boiled down to, like I said I'm okay with that
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Uhh, so everyone suddenly forgot Kaguya's the origin of kaguya clan, and first user of shikotsumyaku ever too? They even have the same lame face dots.
To repeat myself, I wasn't talking KGs, but genetics-wise. The closest you can get to being ootsutsuki on SL is either being uchiha + senju, or hyuga + kaguya.
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Or claiming to be her.
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So the requirements are
Max Hyuuga
Max sage
Max Kaguya
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Uhh, so everyone suddenly forgot Kaguya's the origin of kaguya clan, and first user of shikotsumyaku ever too? They even have the same lame face dots.
To repeat myself, I wasn't talking KGs, but genetics-wise. The closest you can get to being ootsutsuki on SL is either being uchiha + senju, or hyuga + kaguya.
Actually, Kaguya herself was of the Otsutsuki clan. Their leader too, until her sealing. From there, Hamura becomes their leader and migrates with them to the moon. Hagoromo stays on earth to do his thing. Interesting thing about the clan though. They're born by default with Byakugan, like the Hyuuga. The reason why they have doujutsu in the first place, is because they're from "another world" as stated in the fourth databook. This is also Toneri's motivation behind destroying the world and taking Hinata: to recreate it and "make" another Kaguya with her. (It's also because she's of the Hyuuga, and had apparently inherited a stronger portion of Hamura's chakra.)
Picture very related.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e365/AzureFlame_Kite/1417830432472_zps86dc6a9f.jpg)
The Rinnegan/Sharingan didn't become a thing until Kaguya ate the chakra fruit. So really, all clans with KG are from the Otsutsuki, or Kaguya to be more specific. But it's become more apparent that the two original holders of the Six Paths Chakra, Hagoromo and Hamura, are what make the the clans that are the most-closely associated with being their descendants (Uchiha, Senju, Hyuuga and Otsutsuki) the most powerful.
But yes, apparently the Hyuuga were either a sect of the Otsusuki that were left on earth, or were propagated from Hamura having some kinda thing with some earth chick. If it were the latter, he definitely chose very well.
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To repeat myself, I wasn't talking KGs, but genetics-wise. The closest you can get to being ootsutsuki on SL is either being uchiha + senju, or hyuga + kaguya.
Aren't those things required to be more like Kaguya? not all Otsutsuki have Shikotsumyaku or Rinnegan as we've seen.
Kaguya has Byakugan and Rinne Sharingan. It seems what Kaguya has is not Shikotsumyaku but something with the same principles. Or at least that's what the wiki says.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kaguya_Ōtsutsuki
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzej1eGF1I1qgucigo1_500.gif)
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So if we've got requirements set up, then what would someone have to do to get the Tenseigan? Or are just gonna be like "if you got the skills, your face evolves"
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So if we've got requirements set up, then what would someone have to do to get the Tenseigan? Or are just gonna be like "if you got the skills, your face evolves"
Wait wut that's not how SL works? I've been doing it wrong.
Face-volution, hoooooooo~
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I'm going to add SSJ 1 as a requirement.
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Okay so we got
Max rinne
Max Byaku
Max Kaguya
and SSJ 1.
I'ma go find the dragon balls now, so I can wish for the Kyuubi
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The only thing that's OP about this is that the user gains usage over the Truth Seeking Balls.
I feel like everything else can be neutralizes.
I have not seen the movie but I do not see any list of the Tenseigan abilities. >.>
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Truth seeking balls are shit and need to continue to be banned. >.>
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The only thing that's OP about this is that the user gains usage over the Truth Seeking Balls.
I feel like everything else can be neutralizes.
I have not seen the movie but I do not see any list of the Tenseigan abilities. >.>
We just know that is's able to fight on par with 9 Tails Chakra Mode and gives you various DBZ like abilities.
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If Mei had read the thread, we had already established that Control of the Gudodama would not be permitted with the Tenseigan, and instead would be replaced with chakra solidification,
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If Mei had read the thread, we had already established that Control of the Gudodama would not be permitted with the Tenseigan, and instead would be replaced with chakra solidification,
Wait, what? Chakra solidification is already a custom ability of several SL RPers, not to mention I too missed that replacement ability decision.
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If Mei had read the thread, we had already established that Control of the Gudodama would not be permitted with the Tenseigan, and instead would be replaced with chakra solidification,
Re-reading the thread, the idea of chakra solidification was mentioned and talked about (briefly) but no clear decision was made, and not by the majority. And if a majority decision was made, the first post should be edited to mention such. As if anyone is going to read a whole thread. =/
But Eric has a point. Even I have a move that involves chakra solidification. And going back to Bocc's post, if you're going to nerf something to a degree, you might as well not use it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Raiton no Yoroi is also on par with 9 tails chakra mode. So what would be point of getting getting all those resets to safisty the KG when one can "learn" Raiton no Yoroi? >.>
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okay then by that logic we shouldn't use Kamui because the speed of Kamui is nerfed within the SL verse, it's much faster in the actual show and can be used much more frequently.
we shouldn't use hiraishin because we've nerfed it to where multiple hiraishins cannot be used in rapid succession (one post)
We shouldn't use Edo tensei because it's been nerfed to where no more than 3 bodies can be used at once and we can't use offensive attacks with the Edo tensei present
Yeah Chakra solidification is already present within the verse but this would be on a different degree because of the Tenseigan, making it much stronger than anyone who used chakra solidification without it, Unless you'd all prefer that we just have Ninjutsu cancelling black balls of death.
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I've already explained that. Kamui/Hiraishin/Edo Tensei did not debut in the manga and then before we added them to rp we destroyed them with tons of rules. We used them and over time added the rules that needed to be added. We did not look at them and go, "Well these need to be just absolutely brutalized with edits and rules to be viable for rp." Which is what we are doing for Tenseigan.
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okay then by that logic we shouldn't use Kamui because the speed of Kamui is nerfed within the SL verse, it's much faster in the actual show and can be used much more frequently.
we shouldn't use hiraishin because we've nerfed it to where multiple hiraishins cannot be used in rapid succession (one post)
We shouldn't use Edo tensei because it's been nerfed to where no more than 3 bodies can be used at once and we can't use offensive attacks with the Edo tensei present
Yeah Chakra solidification is already present within the verse but this would be on a different degree because of the Tenseigan, making it much stronger than anyone who used chakra solidification without it, Unless you'd all prefer that we just have Ninjutsu cancelling black balls of death.
I would prefer there not to be a replacement for the balls of death. Heck, I might would even prefer that we drop this until we can see the entire movie in a language and format that we can comprehend so that we can fully analyze what was shown to be able to be done and what was not shown to be able to be done with it.
Hiraishin, Edo Tensei, and Kamui all debuted in the manga (last time I checked). Up until it was confirmed that Kamui and intangibility were one in the same, intangibility was treated as an entirely separate technique, and Kamui as Kakashi used it was hardly touched.
Hiraishin too was hardly touched until after it had been on SL for some time. I don't recall Tomi really adhering to any of the current hiraishin rules, especially the teacher-student rule.
Edo Tensei was not touched either until it was further shown in the manga during the 4th Great Shinobi War, and even then, not until people who actually used it in-game started using it did it really become a deal enough to start limiting.
Kamui is the only one of those two examples that does not have a "must be adhered to" list of rules. The only things nerfed about Kamui is intangibility, and that was to keep people from staying intangible for ridiculous amounts of times in posts (since in really close combat 5 minutes could take 4+ posts to get through) and to keep down the spam of long-range Kamui.
So much of this could have been avoided had the abilities of the Tensaigan closely mirrored that of the Rinnegan, with the replacement of the Paths being the ability to use Kaguya's variation of Dead bone Pulse KG (since the passed down variant would, in my system, be a requirement anyways). The ability to master all chakra natures being kept the same between the two, and the Tensaigan maintaining the Byakugan's visionary prowess.
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I just don't see why people are so hard against the Tenseigan, i'm all for waiting to see the full abilities from the movie but I don't see the harm in bringing this in.
Everyone is always complaining that there are too many wooden copy wheels, so why not assist in decreasing that ratio by giving The Hyuuga something that will make people want to be Hyuuga.
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I just don't see why people are so hard against the Tenseigan, i'm all for waiting to see the full abilities from the movie but I don't see the harm in bringing this in.
Everyone is always complaining that there are too many wooden copy wheels, so why not assist in decreasing that ratio by giving The Hyuuga something that will make people want to be Hyuuga.
To bring this in with how relatively few details we have on it, I at least don't want anyone getting too attached to anything before it is actually seen how it works and stuff. Or at least a list of abilities is given.
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I didn't expect it to be placed into rp until we got a full ability check on it, I just wanted to cover the basis of what we're going to set in place for the requirements
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Hey I know this is an older post, but I just watched the final movie, and I am telling you right now. Nope. Nope, all of my nope. I will void all of that, and a cup of ramen. No spoils, but there is literally no way of making this acceptable on SL.
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Possibly a bit hasty decision imo. I'ma hit you up about it elsewhere.
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Hey I know this is an older post, but I just watched the final movie, and I am telling you right now. Nope. Nope, all of my nope. I will void all of that, and a cup of ramen. No spoils, but there is literally no way of making this acceptable on SL.
Same was said of the Rinnegan, the eyes used by Hagoromo, the Sage of Six Paths. In contrast, the Tenseigan was used by Hamura, Hagoromo's brother. Both eyes grant seemingly-OP powers, but it's not like they're not counter-able at all. But by this logic, the Rinnegan should be voided as well. And since some people refer to Sage Mode being better than the Rinnegan, we might as well void that too.
But that's the crutch of voiding someone or their stuff in RP. It's not that you're voiding them, but rather, you are disassociating yourself from participating in any RP with them. You can only void so much until you basically don't want to RP with anybody, and kill your own fun. Granted, there are certain things which are reasonably voided, like Swift Release, a non-canon movie-only element that grants you the ability to avoid anything at will. The Tenseigan is different, in which it is canon and the Rinnegan's counterpart. While at the same time, the Rinne-Sharingan is canon but voided, due to the very nature of it being beyond Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Tota itself: Kekkei Mora. And anything else that is a Kekkei Mora is pretty much voided too.
What I'm trying to say is, the checks and balances of Doujutsu powers are very heavily weighted in the Sharingan's favor. Unless you propose that anything beyond the regular Sharingan's form to be voided to balance this out, which is certainly not happening, then the scales aren't just tipped in it's favor. The scale is literally laying on it's side for the Sharingan tree of evolution.
tl;dr: Make Hyuugas relevant again.
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...Unless you propose that anything beyond the regular Sharingan's form to be voided to balance this out, which is certainly not happening, then the scales aren't just tipped in it's favor. The scale is literally laying on it's side for the Sharingan tree of evolution.
tl;dr: Make Hyuugas relevant again.
A nerf to sharingan would make my day, even if it meant that I had to lose sage mode. As has been said before though, the Byakugan is still relevant, it just is much less easy mode for the inexperienced or lazy RPer.
While we're making the byakugan relevant again, why not see if we can make some of the other abilities, on their own standing (and not combined to melting pot status) also quite relevant again. A across the board nerf to the sharingan branch of abilties would probably do the trick, even if it was taking it back to just mangekyou sharingan.
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While a sharingan nerf would do the trick, I doubt it would pass through the site. Everybody's already in too deep with the Rinnegan, they wont give it up now lol. At least that's how I see it.
I'm also still for the Tenseigan, I feel like appropriate nerfs could be granted to it, Whether it be removing the Gudodama all together or reducing it's control of said technique. the way I see it Gudodama isn't even that much of a problem, at least not for sage's
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While a sharingan nerf would do the trick, I doubt it would pass through the site. Everybody's already in too deep with the Rinnegan, they wont give it up now lol. At least that's how I see it.
Basically.
And what kind of nerf to Sharingan are you people talking about? o.o
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While a sharingan nerf would do the trick, I doubt it would pass through the site. Everybody's already in too deep with the Rinnegan, they wont give it up now lol. At least that's how I see it.
Basically.
And what kind of nerf to Sharingan are you people talking about? o.o
The quick and dirty of it is remove it's ability to ascend to Rinnegan and optionally the eternal mangekyou sharingan. Those are honestly the only nerfs to sharingan that would make any sort of difference at this point.
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Which not only would few to none agree to, I certainly wouldn't, but would be quite unnecessary as well and especially if Hyuugas get Tenseigan.
Possible spoilers at this point though mind you, if you'd rather see the movie first.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Tenseigan
Now to discuss the nerfs and such. Biggest no-brainer is separation from the moon and Tenseigan altar there, not only would that be beyond broken levels of power to admit to anybody, but it was also seen in movie by Toneri that trying to amass it all to yourself is beyond the human body's ability to contain anyway. Simpler put, you'd just explode, sploosh.
Edit: This would naturally cut users off from stuff like materializing cages and other such things too.
What comes to acquisition, canonically you'd need Byakugan in an Ootsutsuki body. A bit strange considering the moon people were shown getting the doujutsu anyway, they just took em out and sealed into the altar. Perhaps theirs would have turned into Tenseigan at 'maturity' regardless? Who knows.
If we consider Ootsutsuki basically extinct as they are in canon (cept Toneri), we could just take the EMS route; a Hyuugan takes somebody elses Byakugan, if there's no organ rejection then a while of paralyzing pain periods later it 'matures' into Tenseigan. Would be the simplest to be honest, though if you wanted to be real strict about it you could also insist on having Kaguya dna in addition to Hyuuga.
Gudodama, another simple fix. Remove the non-senjutsu pulverization, turn them into powerful glowy green chakra spheres instead. Hell, that's how they function majority of the time in the movie anyway.
Scattering chakra rosary, no need for changing here imo, all you do is basically bombard with the chakra balls.
Silver wheel reincarnation explosion, regulate the power, make it chakra costly proportionate to the power used, and you're good here too. Its not that out of the ordinary, basically just a compressed tornado sideways. Might as well be a beefed version of hakke kuusho.
Golden wheel reincarnation explosion, a giant sword that cuts moon in half? Secondarily a death laz0r? Beam version can function as something akin to beam version of tailed beast bomb, powerful but costly, simple fix. The sword variant I believe could function akin to Susanoo's weapons, ranging from the low level digging hefty trenches along the ground, to chopping mountains in two of stabilized. The more power you want, the costlier it gets. Could even make the stronger versions be either single use or only a few before it forcibly breaks you from the orb usage for a time.
Why Susanoo comparison? Because the shroud could be likened to it and nerfed to work in a similar manner. Thought of it this way; if Susanoo materializes a giant chakra construct, Tenseigan shrouds your body in a similarly massive chakra instead. As for potency, forget about Kyuubi cloak, just liken it to the Eight gates instead. 6-7 gates, depending on your general potency at it and chakra used? Obviously would prevent you from stacking any other body enhancing shit like lightning armor or gates themselves, or you'd just die, explode from too much chakra and strain on the body like Toneri almost did in the movie.
The hypnosis ball things...dunno of these really. Personally I don't see what use they'd be considering general immunity of people to genjutsu on SL, but if you want em then use em. From what I can tell, they just pacify or knock out someone weaker if used up the face, can control them like a puppet if inserted inside the body.
Long range chakra absorbing? Lolno, better just left out. This thing wasn't explained at all, plus its brokenly strong.
Lastly it seems to grant limited control over attracting and repulsive forces, basically pseudo-Shinra tensei and -Bansho ten'in. Don't personally recall seeing the pulling version, but wiki claimed so. In any case, could just treat it the same as the aforementioned two Deva path moves, only no AoE versions, just focused in one direction.
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That would make the Gudodama chakra solidification instead, which was my original idea for the nerf on it but it got turned down in this thread for whatever reason, I don't remember and don't feel like going back at the moment, Either way; like Warren stated we could easily nerf down the tenseigan, I feel like it'd be much easier than trying to get people to back out of the Rinnegan, I feel like that would just cause another site Rp rift where half of us are doing one thing and the other half is doing another.
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Which not only would few to none agree to, I certainly wouldn't, but would be quite unnecessary as well and especially if Hyuugas get Tenseigan...
Of course Hyuugans wouldn't get Tenseigan if Uchiha had to give up mangekyou+. I haven't smoke anything that would make me want to suggest that without also shutting down Tensaigan.
The hypnosis ball things...dunno of these really. Personally I don't see what use they'd be considering general immunity of people to genjutsu on SL, but if you want em then use em. From what I can tell, they just pacify or knock out someone weaker if used up the face, can control them like a puppet if inserted inside the body.
How powerful is this long range hypnosis? There are alot of Uchiha in SL, but not everyone is an Uchiha. Depending on the strength of the hypnosis, this could be a hack comparable to Koto that I would certainly not say yay to.
If we consider Ootsutsuki basically extinct as they are in canon (cept Toneri), we could just take the EMS route; a Hyuugan takes somebody elses Byakugan, if there's no organ rejection then a while of paralyzing pain periods later it 'matures' into Tenseigan. Would be the simplest to be honest, though if you wanted to be real strict about it you could also insist on having Kaguya dna in addition to Hyuuga.
Well, it is intended to be on par with the Rinnegan, so considering that it would already have a reset break compared to its counterpart, I think adding in Kaguya DNA would be a necessity rather than an option. It is still fewer resets than 6 Rinnegan, 4 Uchiha, 4 Mokuton (and that's assuming folks still go with that kind of setup for full powered Rinnegan not taken out of someone else's head reset style).
Long range chakra absorbing? Lolno, better just left out. This thing wasn't explained at all, plus its brokenly strong.
While I agree that it is broken, I think the wikia suggests that that was actually an ability either of Toneri himself or the clan, and was independent of the chakra cloak.
Now, for the big one. How will potential custom techniques of this new dojutsu be considered? Mangekyou once had plenty of custom MS powers, sage mode has a plethora and such. The standard answer would be to handle them as they come, and I assume that is what we're going to do.
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...As has been said before though, the Byakugan is still relevant, it just is much less easy mode for the inexperienced or lazy RPer.
Yet there are people who think we should fix that by just making them both easy mode. If only the movie added some Byakugan version of Kamui then we would really be all set.
Just don't add this at all >_> We don't need more dumb things. Here, let me provide a flow chart to help people understand this.
Do it? >---------> Don't do it.
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They aren't long range, Toneri used them right up Hinata's face. She was in despirited wimp mode though, hence my mention of it only really working plausibly on weaker opponents. The sort inserted directly inside the body might be another matter, lest you had some way to repel or combat it.
Not sure on chakra absorbing. First time he blasted Naruto with a tenseigan ball which seemed to bitchslap his almost entire chakra out of him instantly. Second time was after his Tenseigan had disappeared and he had taken the Byakugans from the altar to try substitute, he just kinda held hands out and sucked it at a distance to form into a sphere to try blast others with. Either way there's literally no defense against it, so its cut out.
Can't say much on custom stuff though, have no idea what sort could one even make for this.
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They aren't long range, Toneri used them right up Hinata's face. She was in despirited wimp mode though, hence my mention of it only really working plausibly on weaker opponents. The sort inserted directly inside the body might be another matter, lest you had some way to repel or combat it.
Not sure on chakra absorbing. First time he blasted Naruto with a tenseigan ball which seemed to bitchslap his almost entire chakra out of him instantly. Second time was after his Tenseigan had disappeared and he had taken the Byakugans from the altar to try substitute, he just kinda held hands out and sucked it at a distance to form into a sphere to try blast others with. Either way there's literally no defense against it, so its cut out.
Can't say much on custom stuff though, have no idea what sort could one even make for this.
Some beta stuff that I can think of:
Goudama (even in nerfed form) + Revolving Heaven (No nice name for it, but because of that it's pretty self-explainatory)
Two Lion Fisted Cloak/Armor. Essentially, shroud the entire body in the Twin Lion fisted cloak technique, combining it with the chakra mode or transforming the chakra mode in this manner. The armor has the ability to absorb chakra, and combined with increase speed and strength, is capable of draining an opponent of their chakra in very few strikes in very little time.
Twin Lions Crumbling Strike. - Much like how Raikiri is an upgraded chidori, this is an upgraded form of the Twin Lions combo that allows completed dissipation of chakra-based attacks and jutsu by absorbing and dismantling them at the ying-yang level.
Gentle Fist: Golden Wheel Reincarnation - Grant the sword and/or beam the attributes of the gentle fist. The sword is smaller, but more precise, and combined with the power of gentle fist, is basically a chakra armor, barrier technique, chakra-based stuff shredder. The beam would be more akin to the vaccum palm, but by using the byakugan to aim for vitals and the precise aim of the beam, combined with speed, can essentially make this into sniper weapon 2.0 for SL.
Obviously they could use some refinement, but I think you see some of the potential flow.
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We could nerf the Tenseigan by having users only able to use the the techniques described from the tenseigan while it's active
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Plot twist.
It's Uchiha bloodline.
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Boom?
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Clak the sound of my heart.
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Not sure what you mean with ball kaiten. If its just to spin them around fast, that's not exactly custom cause that falls under the sphere manipulation the shroud itself grants already. If its to try make a kaiten with the chakra making those orbs, if they're nerfed then it'd be just a powered up kaiten with nothing extra really. If anything it'd exhaust your shroud far quicker cause kaiten uses a crapton of chakra as is.
I believe juho soshikens potency comes from it being compressed in the first place, so I don't think it'd work anymore as an aoe thing, if it would even be possible to sync any other chakra with the shroud like that to begin with. Furthermore, fairly sure I listed in nerfs that if you use the shroud, you aren't getting any other body oriented boostage crap.
Though juho soshiken sucks chakra from victims (according to wiki anyway, I don't recall ever seeing said effect in series), I don't really see how exactly would that turn it into a specific anti-all jutsu device, at most it'd deflect projectiles and such if struck with it. It might be possible to make a stronger version still though, as seen with Hinata's version being powered up by Hamura's chakra, though it'd be even more exceedingly difficult to learn.
I've never ever understood this whole jyuken element thing people got going on from the looks of it. All jyuken is, is releasing small pinpoint bursts of chakra to reach inside the body as you strike, aimed at organs and other vitals to maximize damage. There is no way to 'grant' something jyuken, so that alone makes the invincible death laz0r already impossible.
Should be everything. Though as Ichi already said, we could just ban custom moves for it. Lazy but easy route.
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Or....we wait till all the info is translated. ~
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Or....we wait till all the info is translated. ~
That's a better idea.
You guys are kinda jumping the gun without knowing all the facts.
Setting rules and guidelines that may potentially contradict what information will release.
Also, I read in a few sites that in order to Tenseigan you would need an accumulation of the power of hundreds of byakugans. Is that true? If so, you guys are making all these rules/guidelines for something that's even possible to achieve. >.>
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It doesn't hurt to go ahead and spin ideas of rules and regulations about the Tenseigan, before random people start claiming it on the site and running around cutting the planet in half.
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It doesn't hurt to go ahead and spin ideas of rules and regulations about the Tenseigan, before random people start claiming it on the site and running around cutting the planet in half.
We can do that now. .-. Remember Madara with the giant ass meteorites and look at my sig, cutting mountains like butter.
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Also, I read in a few sites that in order to Tenseigan you would need an accumulation of the power of hundreds of byakugans. Is that true? If so, you guys are making all these rules/guidelines for something that's even possible to achieve. >.>
Just like how there can only be one person with the rinnegan who has to be the reincarnation of a specific person? <.< Bruh, SL don't play by what's 'canon'
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It doesn't hurt to go ahead and spin ideas of rules and regulations about the Tenseigan, before random people start claiming it on the site and running around cutting the planet in half.
Can't most people already do that considering how powerful they are? At least they're not DBZ-tier. But they're at least DB-tier. But the movie will likely be subbed. Until then, people should try to not speculate and assume and just shuffle it off to the side for later.
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Also, I read in a few sites that in order to Tenseigan you would need an accumulation of the power of hundreds of byakugans. Is that true? If so, you guys are making all these rules/guidelines for something that's even possible to achieve. >.>
Just like how there can only be one person with the rinnegan who has to be the reincarnation of a specific person? <.< Bruh, SL don't play by what's 'canon'
That's a little bit of cherry picking. It wasn't explained till recently how that worked, and that was the second time it explained how you get Rinnegan. We had no reason to believe the Uchiha with EMS + Senju DNA would ever be compounded on later and changed to be plot-centric. So that was more so we decided to go with what we had been rping with rather then have everyone void their Rinnegan that they had to reset like 9 times for.
This would be different. This we have a very clear explanation of how it is obtained and also know that it is very likely to not be changed in the future, since it was all contained within a singular movie, so I doubt we will ever hear from the Tenseigan again, so far as Naruto canon goes.
In this case I agree with Mei, you can't even get Tenseigan on SL because of how it is created, there is no way you could find enough Hyuuga players to kill for Byakugan and more importantly no way you could get to the moon to make the Tenseigan with the Tenseig-o-matic that is hanging out there. I see no reason to ignore what we know to be canon to make it possible.
Just get Sage Mode and Byakugan and then learn to zone fight. Watch the Rinnegan spammers cry.
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Here's the hole plot hole behind this Tenseigan Altar thing: Hamura was the first to awaken it.
There's also some confusion between the Tenseigan and Tenseigan Altar. Before Hamura died, he implanted his eyes into the altar, and it became known as the Tenseigan Altar. The Otsutsuki Clan would also implant their Byakugan into the altar for thousands of years, to build up it's energy and use it for whatever purpose later. Toneri decided to use it to bring the moon down. Movie plot events happen, and Naruto and Hinata destroy it and stop the moon from descending. But once Toneri's personal Tenseigan awakens, the moon starts descending again because of one of it's powers is being able to bring down celestial bodies. This actually doesn't stray far from the Rinnegan's power to do that either.
So basically Toneri is the Otsutsuki's/Hyuuga's Madara.
And to clarify on the Golden and Silver Wheel Reincarnation attacks, those involve covering/infusing the Gudodama with Tenseigan Chakra Mode chakras. So to bring those into fair play, we'll just omit the Gudodama from being needed to use those, while also removing the ninjutsu-obliterating effects that the Gudodama gives the attacks.
The chakra mode is actually very similar to Susanoo's ability to cover/coat things as well, but on a more humanoid and smaller scale.
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Just get Sage Mode and Byakugan and then learn to zone fight. Watch the Rinnegan spammers cry.
That's a good point. But the Rinnegan can just repel them away. Better include that Gates KG for speed.
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Were you agreeing with me Kage or just repeating almost everything I said already for some other reason? >_>
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Were you agreeing with me Kage or just repeating almost everything I said already for some other reason? >_>
Is this addressed to me? o.o
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Kage, not you.
In all seriousness though, the movie is both out and subbed already, both me and Rusaku have seen it, so unless there's some big pile of databook info not translated yet that nobody knows about then all the info is out already.
Don't see what the gripe is about acquiring the eye. As both I said could be changed already, and several others pointed out, Rinnegan is equally impossible for anybody cept one person to get by canon, and we changed that. Swap a byakugan into hyuuga/kaguya body, draw the power from your body instead of the altar. Bam.
And uhh yes, you do need combined chakras of Indra and Ashura to get rinne, alternatively help from Hagoromo, both of which all of you void >_> Hagoromo said so himself and at least I'd rather trust the sage than fan pov's.
Also actually no, you couldn't cut the earth in half. Its significantly larger than the moon, up to the point even an unnerfed tenseigan sword (which we are nerfing) couldn't do it. Same deal with stabilized susanoo sword, you'd make a giant ditch but that'd be it.
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So what level will Tenseigan Chakra Mode be if we so implement it? I haven't seen the movie myself, so maybe I missed something, but as far as I know, Naruto is just as powerful as he was in the last chapter. With that being said, the wiki states that Tenseigan Chakra Mode is on par with Naruto's Sage enhanced Kurama Cloak, combined with that it gives the user attraction and repulsion abilities, strong enough to pull the moon itself, techniques that have celestial body destroying capabilities, and along with that Truth Seeking Balls as icing on the cake.
I'll be optimistic and say we can work with this.
If Tenseigan is allowed, then I say the user needs to have the Sage reset (and Byakugan of course), but completely relinquishes the Natural Energy aspect the Sages have, and we treat it as a power-up on par with it in terms of jutsu enhancement, speed, and durability. We treat the chakra costs of using Chakra Mode as one who is using Kanseitai Susanoo and give the Truth Seeking Balls the same level of destructive capabilities (except the ninjutsu negation of course). Silver Wheel Reincarnation Explosion though should just be as strong as your standard Planetary Rasengan and they have access to Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tenin.
As for obtaining it? I've got an idea, we make Hamura's Altar a claimed item much like Edo Tensei, Hiraishin, etc. The person who wants Tenseigan sacrifices their Byakugan eyes to the Altar and it transforms into the Tenseigan, in return you get all the above cool abilities but sacrifice Jyuuken and 360 degree Kaleidoscope vision. This limits the amount of people who have it, while taking a bit of Sage Mode and Rinnegan without the the specific advantages of either, some semblance of canon material, and evens it out as a Hyuuga+Otsutsuki version of Senju+Uchiha we have going on here. At the same time it leaves some advantages a regular Byakugan player would have. Sound fair? (and of course no combing Tensei with any other Doujutsu)
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Normal animal based sage mode would get beat by canon tenseigan, its only the custom ones on SL that might stand up to it. 7 inner gates open could match it tho imo, 8 would surpass.
What exactly would you be 'sacrificing' with the altar scenario though? Remove your own eyeballs, it spits out someone elses pair for you to implant?
As for removing 360 vision, dunno of that cause its kinda the core function of the eye. Removing jyuken would completely shut down the BS 'jyuken element' I mentioned earlier however, so that would be nice. Lion fists would go away with it since its a jyuken off-shoot I think. What about vacuum palm and kaiten though?
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I don't think the Hyuga should have to give up 360 vision or Senjutsu usage just because they have the Tenseigan, Maybe they can't use it at the same time like I had said earlier, but I mean they could still do it
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Normal animal based sage mode would get beat by canon tenseigan, its only the custom ones on SL that might stand up to it. 7 inner gates open could match it tho imo, 8 would surpass.
What exactly would you be 'sacrificing' with the altar scenario though? Remove your own eyeballs, it spits out someone elses pair for you to implant?
As for removing 360 vision, dunno of that cause its kinda the core function of the eye. Removing jyuken would completely shut down the BS 'jyuken element' I mentioned earlier however, so that would be nice. Lion fists would go away with it since its a jyuken off-shoot I think. What about vacuum palm and kaiten though?
I know, which is why I made the comparison. Tenseigan of course is too much as it is for either Rinnegan or Sage Mode users to handle by themselves without some serious co-op action.
Perhaps, i'm not so much against the ideas of HOW its obtained as long as the user follows the dumbed down abilities and limitations. Maybe the eyes themselves can be transformed via the chakra from the altar itself?
I say the only things the Tenseigan should have in common with the Byakugan is the seeing of chakra. I think gaining the ability to cut mountains, Sage benefits (nix the Natural Energy), Gudodama, and Deva Path skills is more than a fair enough trade off for 360 degree vision, Jyuuken, X-ray, telescopic vision and Kaiten. Much like how the normal Rinnegan does not have the abilities of the Sharingan, except the ability to see chakra, despite the fact the Sharingan is the evolutionary offshoot of the Rinnegan.
To avoid the an inevitable Tenseigan/Byakugan hax, I say much like the Mangekyo, the abilities are sanctioned by which eye the user has.
For example:
Right Eye- Chakra Mode (a.k.a Sage buffs)
Left Eye- Deva Path (Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tenin)
Both Eyes: Gudodama (Allowing the full destructive potential of the user on a Perfect Susanoo level)
I'd rather not devoid the Tenseigan user of ever using Byakugan again as it seems unfair that we allow a Rinnegan/Sharingan combo to work just fine. That way, if one ever encounters them in a fight, they would either be a little less stronger than an actual Hyuuga Sage, or just a Byakugan user who simply has two abilities of the Rinnegan.
I don't think the Hyuga should have to give up 360 vision or Senjutsu usage just because they have the Tenseigan, Maybe they can't use it at the same time like I had said earlier, but I mean they could still do it
To give a Tenseigan user the ability to use Senjutsu greatly throws things off balance and they would have to give something up to offset the difference.
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To give a Tenseigan user the ability to use Senjutsu greatly throws things off balance and they would have to give something up to offset the difference.
Did you just use the word balance when referring to SL? I mean sure technically you can't have all 8 kg at once, but other than that there is no balance at all. The game is completely broken.
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To give a Tenseigan user the ability to use Senjutsu greatly throws things off balance and they would have to give something up to offset the difference.
I believe he meant you won't be able to mix the chakra mode and sage mode, but you could still use sage mode on its own.
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To give a Tenseigan user the ability to use Senjutsu greatly throws things off balance and they would have to give something up to offset the difference.
I believe he meant you won't be able to mix the chakra mode and sage mode, but you could still use sage mode on its own.
I believe he meant the tenseigan is powered by salami.
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To give a Tenseigan user the ability to use Senjutsu greatly throws things off balance and they would have to give something up to offset the difference.
Did you just use the word balance when referring to SL? I mean sure technically you can't have all 8 kg at once, but other than that there is no balance at all. The game is completely broken.
I mean in terms of Sage Mode being the antithesis of the Rinnegan, atleast how we treat it. Think about it this way, Shippuden spent an entire arc finding out the weaknesses of Pain and how to bypass the abilities of the Rinnegan. The moment the Doujutsu made center stage, an opposite power was demonstrated by Jiraiya that allowed him to almost put things on equal grounds. Then Naruto, a ninja with no known special skills, aside from Kurama, was able to face the embodiment of each Rinnegan abilities with an even stronger version of Sage Mode. It give him a body that could withstand the heavy blows of Deva Path, chakra that couldn't be absorbed by Preta Path (without deadly consequences), speed and strength to outmaneuver and beat down the various summons of Animal Path, and strong enough ninjutsu to demolish the augmented armor of Asura Path. Leaving a 3 Path advantage over Sage Mode, while the Senjutsu user had the use of Natural Energy that could restore their energy as well as be used as an invisible attack force against all Doujutsu users.
It fell in line with what both Sage Mode and Rinnegan were suppose to represent, Asura, the son who inherited the Sage's body, and Indra, the son who inherited the Sage's eyes. Equal but opposite forces. If we allow Tenseigan, then it should fall into the category of a mixture of the two, which is what it is suppose to represent. Giving the Doujutsu a bit of both worlds, while not making it an outrageous copy/enhancement of either is the best way to go.
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Assuming that's a longass way to say you get similar physical prowess boost as in sage mode, but you can't actually combo it with sage mode, then sure. I did already list no additional boostage like gates, senjutsu or anything in my list of nerfs earlier.
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This altar idea sure does seem fun. Not the claiming part, but the part where Hyuugas need to pop out their eyes, insert them into the altar like coins, and receive a new pair for Tenseigan. It's like, they solved the Uchiha problem by making a Doujutsu Vending Machine. Why not call it that instead?
Why do the Uchihas have to be such butts about getting their fancy eye powers?
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This altar idea sure does seem fun. Not the claiming part, but the part where Hyuugas need to pop out their eyes, insert them into the altar like coins, and receive a new pair for Tenseigan. It's like, they solved the Uchiha problem by making a Doujutsu Vending Machine. Why not call it that instead?
Why do the Uchihas have to be such butts about getting their fancy eye powers?
I am 110% behind this idea.
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Amusingly we can't get much closer to canon than that. Give your own eyes away to power up the altar, get eyes that have already been mutated by the altars power back.
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Not sure what you mean with ball kaiten. If its just to spin them around fast, that's not exactly custom cause that falls under the sphere manipulation the shroud itself grants already. If its to try make a kaiten with the chakra making those orbs, if they're nerfed then it'd be just a powered up kaiten with nothing extra really. If anything it'd exhaust your shroud far quicker cause kaiten uses a crapton of chakra as is.
I believe juho soshikens potency comes from it being compressed in the first place, so I don't think it'd work anymore as an aoe thing, if it would even be possible to sync any other chakra with the shroud like that to begin with. Furthermore, fairly sure I listed in nerfs that if you use the shroud, you aren't getting any other body oriented boostage crap.
Though juho soshiken sucks chakra from victims (according to wiki anyway, I don't recall ever seeing said effect in series), I don't really see how exactly would that turn it into a specific anti-all jutsu device, at most it'd deflect projectiles and such if struck with it. It might be possible to make a stronger version still though, as seen with Hinata's version being powered up by Hamura's chakra, though it'd be even more exceedingly difficult to learn.
I've never ever understood this whole jyuken element thing people got going on from the looks of it. All jyuken is, is releasing small pinpoint bursts of chakra to reach inside the body as you strike, aimed at organs and other vitals to maximize damage. There is no way to 'grant' something jyuken, so that alone makes the invincible death laz0r already impossible.
Should be everything. Though as Ichi already said, we could just ban custom moves for it. Lazy but easy route.
1) Kaiten, in SL terms (even in-game) does not require nearly as much chakra as you're implying here. Additionally, I was talking about using the orbs within the kaiten in order to add increased deflection, along with having the option to still fling them out at people nigh at will.
2) Body oriented boosting stuff essentially, under your statement, is everything except Tensaigan. No Byakugan powers, no sage mode, no gates, no Yang release period, etc. That is essentially saying that with this dojutsu, you can only use the powers of the dojutsu, and nothing more. Considering the proposed nerfs, I don't really think that's going to bring it into balance with Rinnegan, which CAN have other body enhancements of the aforementioned state and still keep chucking down meteors.
3) It's not as difficult as you think. Kaiten itself, in SL, hass often been used to attack ninjutsu and either dispel it or redirect it. I have fought a Mist Hyuugan before, so I'm aware that there is currently a meta regarding gentle fist that allows for the application of the right amount and type of chakra in order to counter any chakra-based jutsu out there. While it is somewhat custom, and likely not explained very much to outsiders other than combatants, it is in my mind because it does exist.
Additionally, by making a taijutsu version of Preta Path, you can punch your way through most chakra-based barriers, ninjutsu, etc. because you would be able to absorb/kaiten your way through the techniques.
4) http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Gentle_Fist The primary trait of gentle fist is to "surgically" inject their chakra into a targetted area. This stems from the Byakugan's unique eyesight. By including this "surgical insertion" principle into techniques, this allows the user to strike at smaller levels than thier counterparts.
For example, by adding jyuken to the susano'o sword (just because it's a relatively easy example to represent what I'm talking about) you would essentially strike not just with the force of the sword, but using the chakra to attack pinpoint parts of a defense (such as a chakra based one). By using chakra to strike at weakspots easily seeable with the byakugan, the sword not only has great physical strength, but also incredibly precise damage, capable of attacking a tailed beast mode jinchurikii's tissues (connective, nerve, muscle, etc.), organs, and gates/tenketsu in a manner that makes the attack a double edged sword.
If the jinch were to attempt to use a chakra-based defense against it, a strong enough injection of chakra in a specific area will allow the user to cut through it with magnificent ease. Recall, the gentle fist does not necessarily break the skin of a human target, so complete penetration of the outer barrier is not necessary for even marginal success. It's the principle of injecting your chakra in a very specific manner that can be applied to other techniques. Dare I say it, frog kata could use natural energy to strike at tenketsu presuming the user knows gentle fist, frog kata, and has the byakugan (and presuming he is not voided into oblivion cause chakra =/= natural energy, though I think you guys get the idea by now).
And am I the only one who is actually more concerned about Tensaigan/Rinnegan hax? One eye gives you chakra mode, the other gives you the Six Paths. Of course, I'm sure Warren's blanket "no other enhancements" nerf proposition likely covers that.
Amusingly we can't get much closer to canon than that. Give your own eyes away to power up the altar, get eyes that have already been mutated by the altars power back.
Why not just save people the trouble and just give them the dojutsu for free and state that there is a cooldown time before actual usage? Unless I misunderstood and you either require other player hyugans to put their eyes into the altar (and not have those eyes be re-usable), or use it to SL-wise explain what happened to all of the hyugans/byakugan that used to populate the server, that is hardly what could be called a limiting factor. Even Rinnegan is supposed to require the acquisition of a mangekyou sharingan from another player (after of course getting your own) to advance to EMS, then advance that to Rinnegan (whether people follow it or not I guess depends on where you RP).
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Uhh, when did you last see a kaiten again? You're flooding chakra out of every tenketsu to create a significantly powerful dome-shaped field, even a genin neji's kaiten took kyuubi-chakra from naruto to overpower. As for spinning the balls around though, as I said that'd fall under their basic manipulation, wouldn't be a custom jutsu really.
Also don't be an ass, you know very well what I meant. Sage mode, senninka, inner gates, raiton no yoroi, other similar elemental armors, hozuki transformations et cetera, the stuff known for significantly boosting your physical prowess. Tenseigan shroud is so major that not only would stacking it with that stuff be plain broken, but illogical/impossible/idiotic/wte too since you'd either suffer a chakra overload as Toneri did if not just crumble from the physical strain.
As for juho soshiken, it in fact is canonly retardedly difficult to master, to the point even a tiny mistake messes everything up. Trying to combine something with it would be even worse, as seen with Naruto going from rasengan to rasen shuriken.
And no, that's not adding jyuken, because as I already said there's no 'jyuken element', no 'jyukenton', to add to anything. All you're doing in your example is just manually striking at a weak or otherwise particular spot you saw with byakugan. Its just a principle, a fighting style. Even so however people for some god forsaken reason don't seem to understand it, because I've legitly seen stuff as nonsensical as a 'jyuken barrier' thats a simple inexplicable field that completely destroys your chakra network if you pass through just because it has 'jyuken added to it'. What's next I wonder, a jyuken wind attack? Jyuuken fire? A jyuken genjutsu?
I didn't specifically state no other doujutsus in nerfs because I thought it fairly obvious, not to mention two-three other people mentioned no mixing tenseigan with any other eye. Could just say that similar to needing two mangekyo for susanoo, you need two byakugan for tenseigan, what with the whole eyes only show their true power when together thing.
If we do altar way of acquisition, it'd be limited fairly easily. Say, altar is kept as a hidden location, not made into a claimed 'item'. Then if someone wants to get access and use it, I'll just GM an RP scenario for them or something, make them actually work for it.
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Uhh, when did you last see a kaiten again? You're flooding chakra out of every tenketsu to create a significantly powerful dome-shaped field, even a genin neji's kaiten took kyuubi-chakra from naruto to overpower. As for spinning the balls around though, as I said that'd fall under their basic manipulation, wouldn't be a custom jutsu really.
Also don't be an ass, you know very well what I meant. Sage mode, senninka, inner gates, raiton no yoroi, other similar elemental armors, hozuki transformations et cetera, the stuff known for significantly boosting your physical prowess. Tenseigan shroud is so major that not only would stacking it with that stuff be plain broken, but illogical/impossible/idiotic/wte too since you'd either suffer a chakra overload as Toneri did if not just crumble from the physical strain.
As for juho soshiken, it in fact is canonly retardedly difficult to master, to the point even a tiny mistake messes everything up. Trying to combine something with it would be even worse, as seen with Naruto going from rasengan to rasen shuriken.
And no, that's not adding jyuken, because as I already said there's no 'jyuken element', no 'jyukenton', to add to anything. All you're doing in your example is just manually striking at a weak or otherwise particular spot you saw with byakugan. Its just a principle, a fighting style. Even so however people for some god forsaken reason don't seem to understand it, because I've legitly seen stuff as nonsensical as a 'jyuken barrier' thats a simple inexplicable field that completely destroys your chakra network if you pass through just because it has 'jyuken added to it'. What's next I wonder, a jyuken wind attack? Jyuuken fire? A jyuken genjutsu?
I didn't specifically state no other doujutsus in nerfs because I thought it fairly obvious, not to mention two-three other people mentioned no mixing tenseigan with any other eye. Could just say that similar to needing two mangekyo for susanoo, you need two byakugan for tenseigan, what with the whole eyes only show their true power when together thing.
If we do altar way of acquisition, it'd be limited fairly easily. Say, altar is kept as a hidden location, not made into a claimed 'item'. Then if someone wants to get access and use it, I'll just GM an RP scenario for them or something, make them actually work for it.
First of all, I am not being an ass, I'm simply stating things as I see it. Hozoki transformation can be considered a yang release of sorts (though I think it's classified as water release), that entire category of techniques designed specifically to augment your abilities. You never stated how "significant" was significantly increases, so I presumed it was most everything commonly used under the SL sun, including custom augmentations. While that may have been wrong to assume, we are talking about SL players here, who will find anything that they can add to this Tensaigan in order to make it the next coming of the Rinnegan, despite any nerfs that are attempted to be tagged onto it. Someone who wants this bad enough and is creative enough will, similar to what I am doing now, look objectively at the powers of this dojutsu and find a way to use it to its most effective state, nerfs or no nerfs.
As I stated though, even if there is a GM for the altar, it's still put eyes in, take new eyes out kind of thing. The only thing that is doing is forcing people to RP with a GM of some sort in order to claim Tensaigan. Not a bad thing per say, but just who is going to GM the altar? I personally think it's an unnecessary hurdle, even for this technique, to have to fetch someone to GM the event for you.
In SL, there is no such thing as canonically difficult to master; yes, you have to have all 4 resets or significant RP training for it to work, but that WILL NOT keep master Hyugans (the only ones able to get Tensaigan mind you) from having it and augmenting it.
Kaiten in-game takes one chakra point. With the amount of chakra people have nowadays, IC, performing one Kaiton is nothing. Neji, while a genin, was able to use Kaiten multiple times in a single fight. Now take a Jounin or a Kage, and honestly, Kaiten is hardly something to bat an eye at for a Tensaigan user-worthy shinobi. The dome can also be circumvented by something moving fast enough, as demonstrate during the fight with the spider-guy, or by the forced stopping of the rotation.
As I also said, there is no "jyuken element", but the principle behind Jyuken can be applied to other techniques. With your example of a "jyuken barrier", the barrier functions by striking at the tenketsu of an approaching target, or simply injecting chakra into the victim's chakra network indiscriminately. Without manual direction from a Byakugan user/master though, that barrier on its own is quite god-mode for the former. For the latter, only someone who knows how to perform the gentle fist would logically be able to make a barrier of similar effects.
Combining two separate techniques into one non-canonically I consider a custom technique, personally speaking. It's fine that you disagree with me on that, but by my definition of a custom technique, using the spinning balls in your kaiten attack intentionally (and not spur of the moment randomness), with precision, and by design, is a custom technique.
Jyuken is manually striking at a weak spot using the byakugan and a certain amount of chakra, applied to a certain location of choice. Therefore, anything that works on a principle similar to jyuken (manually striking at a weak spot using the byakugan and a certain amount of pre-determined chakra) can be considered to be "jyuken inspired" or even "augumented".
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I just said I could GM it. Also just what on earth do you want then? ._. First you say not enough limitations on it, then suddenly there's too much.
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I just said I could GM it. Also just what on earth do you want then? ._. First you say not enough limitations on it, then suddenly there's too much.
Some of my quotes are somewhat outdated because of newly released details, but I believe they emphasize "what I want" better than paraphrasing it into a single paragraph.
My answer in the form of quotations:
Do Rinnegan folks lose Mokuton when they power up? No, so why would Tensaigans lose their Kaguya (not eight gates, that is something they wouldn't reset in period) powers then? They could use the ash-killing bones technique in the Tensaigan form, for example (presuming people aren't trying to do that without Hyuga + Kaguya).
According to Narutopedia, Tensaigan is the equal to Rinnegan. Without any further context, this assumes that it allows him to master all chakra natures just like the Rinnegan.
Him using the cloak is the equivalent of the Sage of Six Paths awakening the Rinnegan himself; by using natural energy and going into sage mode, his special chakra allows him to awaken Six Paths Sage Mode. Similar parallel going on over here.
The lack of the ability to use the Six Paths may seem like a downer, but the ability to use yin-yang Kaguya techs, the ability to use yin-yang Hyuga techs (of custom nature of course, essentially rendering all ninjutsu and senjutsu against the user nigh useless) and the special sage mode is more than enough without the additional speed, endurance, and truth seeking bull- I mean balls.
In my opinion, if we have to have a Rinnegan and we can have a tame version of Tensaigan, then I say go for it. I dislike the Rinnegan and Tensaigan as the next guy because it makes it even harder for me to fight in a zone without needing yet another power-up, but Rinnegan is here to stay. It is time for Uchiha-Senju to take a side-bench and actually have a bloodline to compete with them.
As much as that craps over everyone else not of these special bloodlines...
*P.S After taking a jog around my house, I have come to the realization that all this is really going to do is replace Uchiha-Senju with Kaguya-Hyuga... Replacing one master for another.
...There is literally nothing wrong with evening the playing field for other players.
Until every active zoner (including Bocc), except a few, switch to Tensaigan and keep the stuff they already have. Presuming Bocc follows through on Bocc things, then he will likely be switching to the new Fad depending on how much it ends up being incorporated and comparable to Rinnegan. Presuming people get creative with it like they got creative with rinnegan, the only thing that would keep sharingan revelent would be Izanagi (since Izanami cannot be used without the sharingan) and barely at that.
Just like when the Uchiha got a powerup that made them better than Hyuugans. Give it time.
The only way to prevent that is to make them as equal as possible. Which this thread has attempted to hash out.
okay then by that logic we shouldn't use Kamui because the speed of Kamui is nerfed within the SL verse, it's much faster in the actual show and can be used much more frequently.
we shouldn't use hiraishin because we've nerfed it to where multiple hiraishins cannot be used in rapid succession (one post)
We shouldn't use Edo tensei because it's been nerfed to where no more than 3 bodies can be used at once and we can't use offensive attacks with the Edo tensei present
Yeah Chakra solidification is already present within the verse but this would be on a different degree because of the Tenseigan, making it much stronger than anyone who used chakra solidification without it, Unless you'd all prefer that we just have Ninjutsu cancelling black balls of death.
I would prefer there not to be a replacement for the balls of death. Heck, I might would even prefer that we drop this until we can see the entire movie in a language and format that we can comprehend so that we can fully analyze what was shown to be able to be done and what was not shown to be able to be done with it.
Hiraishin, Edo Tensei, and Kamui all debuted in the manga (last time I checked). Up until it was confirmed that Kamui and intangibility were one in the same, intangibility was treated as an entirely separate technique, and Kamui as Kakashi used it was hardly touched.
Hiraishin too was hardly touched until after it had been on SL for some time. I don't recall Tomi really adhering to any of the current hiraishin rules, especially the teacher-student rule.
Edo Tensei was not touched either until it was further shown in the manga during the 4th Great Shinobi War, and even then, not until people who actually used it in-game started using it did it really become a deal enough to start limiting.
Kamui is the only one of those two examples that does not have a "must be adhered to" list of rules. The only things nerfed about Kamui is intangibility, and that was to keep people from staying intangible for ridiculous amounts of times in posts (since in really close combat 5 minutes could take 4+ posts to get through) and to keep down the spam of long-range Kamui.
So much of this could have been avoided had the abilities of the Tensaigan closely mirrored that of the Rinnegan, with the replacement of the Paths being the ability to use Kaguya's variation of Dead bone Pulse KG (since the passed down variant would, in my system, be a requirement anyways). The ability to master all chakra natures being kept the same between the two, and the Tensaigan maintaining the Byakugan's visionary prowess.
In short, I personally want out of this discussion a Rinnegan-Tensaigan balance that will not cause Tensaigan to become overwhelming more popular. At the same time, if it is going to be nerfed to the ground, then just leave it out of the game and get byakugan + sage mode + Kaguya and call it a friggen day.
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You guys write a lot .-.
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No, that really doesn't explain it any better at all.
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No, that really doesn't explain it any better at all.
I suspect you're asking me for my current proposition on how to include Tensaigan, as otherwise, I've laid out the direction I've been trying to take on the matter, that being a balance between the two.
With the abilities listed out, no special balls of any sort. No nerf, no !nerf, just no goudama period.
The Tensaigan is awakened much like Rinnegan is; byakugans are replaced while having incredible life force and spiritual energy (max Hyuuga, max Kaguya, max sage mode).
The abilities are Kaguya level of bone manipulation (all ash killing bones, etc plus standard Shikotsumyaku stuff), a special cloak of chakra that augments healing capabilities, the ability to see natural energy, and the general boost from generic sage mode (increased speed, strength, durability, and the ability to manipulate natural energy freely).
To make use of these abilities, the user must enter sage mode (hence the sage mode abilities are not greatly stacked in that way) and have the Tensaigan active.
I imagine this will be needing some tweaking (since by this model it is easier to get Tensaigan than Rinnegan), but that's my general suggestion. As you may have also noted, the abilities granted are, by and large, the same abilities granted by the individual resets, with the exception of Kekkai Mora levels of Kaguya bone manipulation and seeing natural energy.
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Nature energy can be seen and sensed by non sages too, just takes training. Sages just can actually use it too.
Killing the balls kills every jutsu -even hypnosis- except the push and pull moves. If they get ash bones they can't complain though, its stupidly powerful if it hits.
In any case even with this way I'd still say no gates/elemental armors/hozuki/etc.
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Bwerp. Seriously just have the Gedouma (or however you spell that, I'm lazy) be condensed normal chakra and not the "negate everything but sage mode" mix of all 5 elements that they normally are.
As for the push and pull....eh it may be canon, but god is it lame to have copy/paste abilities of Rinnegan xD
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I mean I would already imagine that we couldn't stack gates and Raiton no Yoroi and things like that with the Tenseigan, that'd just be taking it too far, As for everything else, once we take the Gudodama out and apply regular chakra draining rules I don't see what's the big fuss about the tenseigan anymore! Is the Tenseigan Senjutsu chakra? I actually don'tknow
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I mean I would already imagine that we couldn't stack gates and Raiton no Yoroi and things like that with the Tenseigan, that'd just be taking it too far, As for everything else, once we take the Gudodama out and apply regular chakra draining rules I don't see what's the big fuss about the tenseigan anymore! Is the Tenseigan Senjutsu chakra? I actually don'tknow
People are going to claims tons of dumb stuff about it because there aren't many examples of how it works in relation to other things.
What are the defensive capabilities of the cloak for instance? Can it block swords? Can it block the Kusanagi? Can it block fire, lightning? Is it as strong as Raiton no Yoroi? Susano'o?
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Well given the strength of it, I feel like it would be more comparable to a Biju cloak, though on what caliber I don't know, and we might decide to nerf it's defensive capabilities for whatever reason so It could be as strong as like a v1 biju cloak or as strong as the Raiton no Yoroi, just little kinks that need to be worked out
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Bwerp. Seriously just have the Gedouma (or however you spell that, I'm lazy) be condensed normal chakra and not the "negate everything but sage mode" mix of all 5 elements that they normally are.
As for the push and pull....eh it may be canon, but god is it lame to have copy/paste abilities of Rinnegan xD
But if they are just condensed, normal chakra, then they are, for all intensive purposes, pointless to include. Making solid balls of chakra around the user is not a particularly grand feat by any means.
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No but they'd be chakra balls that would function in the same manner, exploding and all that Jazz, laser beams
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I'm going to love not claiming this.
You guys should wait to see what the KG can do and then try to tune it to be on par with the rinnegan and sage mode powers.
You're like the weather channel. They predict 50 feet of snow and the next week when the storm actually hits it's more like 5 inches.
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I've seen what it can do >_>;
And Ichi's post more eloquently said, they wouldn't be pointless, because even as non-gudodama balls they'd still be the necessary core element for 4/6 of the actual tenseigan jutsus. Laser and sword need it, hurricane needs it, hypnosis needs it, rosary bombarding needs it.
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I've seen what it can do >_>;
And Ichi's post more eloquently said, they wouldn't be pointless, because even as non-gudodama balls they'd still be the necessary core element for 4/6 of the actual tenseigan jutsus. Laser and sword need it, hurricane needs it, hypnosis needs it, rosary bombarding needs it.
Hardly, you could just use regular chakra for all of those techniques. A laser made of chakra, a pseudo-tailed beast beam in effect, has already been done (non-canonically), a hurricane can just be a really advanced Futon technique, rosary bombarding is simply chakra bombardment, elemental natures absent in the example, and hypnosis can be genjutsu with a trigger being something like bones or something.
All of the above mentioned Tensaigan abilities, without the KM aspect, can be done without the goudama. The goudama, without the KM, are not goudama, if we're going to be honest with ourselves here. They are nothing more than orbs of chakra, which can be done by almost anyone in the SL universe.
Hence why I personally labelled them pointless and scrapped them altogether from my model. I also did not add in Deva-like powers to my model, but that's besides the point.
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If you want crude mockeries that fall leagues short in power, sure, you can monkey your own copies of them. Real ones however require the spheres as medium, no ifs or buts about it. Not even to mention if you axe even that anyway, it turns equally pointless to call it tenseigan at all.
At that point you might as well just call it bone sage mode instead. Actually, why not just nix all the abilities sans being a light bulb and give them more bones only, lel.
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If you want crude mockeries that fall leagues short in power, sure, you can monkey your own copies of them. Real ones however require the spheres as medium, no ifs or buts about it. Not even to mention if you axe even that anyway, it turns equally pointless to call it tenseigan at all.
At that point you might as well just call it bone sage mode instead. Actually, why not just nix all the abilities sans being a light bulb and give them more bones only, lel.
Well, we could just not include Tensaigan, like at all.
And crude mockeries? As someone who has taken many of the series' techniques and made alternate versions of them in the form of shadow imitation, I can tell you that the alternate versions would not necesarily fall short in leagues of power when done properly. Maybe they would be more chakra taxing for balance, but they would not fall short in strength, especially since to my understanding we don't want the sword actually slicing in half areas the size of the moon. The sword was merely going to be more like the Hyuga answer to the Susano'o super sword.
Even if it were to retain that kind of moon cutting power, it can still be duplicated in full (now whether it'll be considered god-mode or not is up for debate) by a Kekkai Tora, either custom or Dust release.
Once you understand the principle behind a technique, you can duplicate it OOCly just by maintaining the principle of the technique. Only if the technique is something like amateratsu that has a prerequisite of the KG variety would you be forced to create a rudimentary version of it.
My proposition, as you so duly noted, largely granted the powers of the prerequisites with a few extra minor bonuses, in part because the underlying components, when not in the hands of scrubs, is already a very formidable force to be reckoned with. Only by the void hammer would that not be comparable to the version of the Rinnegan that we have here on SL.
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So.
Sword replicated by kekkei tota/jinton. Hurricane replicated by fuuton. Laser and bombardment replicated by being jinchuuriki. Genjutsu replicated by sharingan. Repelling and attracting replicated by rinnegan.
So.
To have tenseigan you need to be a bone sage uchikahyuga jinchuuriki with three eyes, jinton and godmod level fuuton.
Okay.
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So.
Sword replicated by kekkei tota/jinton. Hurricane replicated by fuuton. Laser and bombardment replicated by being jinchuuriki. Genjutsu replicated by sharingan. Repelling and attracting replicated by rinnegan.
So.
To have tenseigan you need to be a bone sage uchikahyuga jinchuuriki with three eyes, jinton and godmod level fuuton.
Okay.
Bocchiere's account minus the skill and creativity to do all that with just Hyuga and sage mode.
Or, get sage mode with an animal summon with the chakra capacity of a great sphinx + a dragon and get creative with your jutsu making.
The point is, without the Kekkai Mora portion of it, there is nothing special about those goudama.
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Except being the core portion of almost every jutsu the kg has, without which none of them work. Yes I remember you telling me three seconds ago you could copycat all of them. No I don't give a damn because its tenseigan not ericgan.
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Except being the core portion of almost every jutsu the kg has, without which none of them work. Yes I remember you telling me three seconds ago you could copycat all of them. No I don't give a damn because its tenseigan not ericgan.
Maybe you guys should both take a break from this topic because you're both starting to look pretty ridiculous arguing about something completely pointless that neither of you are even going to use.
I'm so glad we can spend time arguing about something as important as how much completely asinine movie powers need to be nerfed before we can use them.
11 pages in now and still not done, this is clearly the best possible use of everyone's time.
I am thoroughly enjoying this forum topic.
sarcasm
noun sar·casm \ˈsär-ˌka-zəm\
: the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny.
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Except being the core portion of almost every jutsu the kg has, without which none of them work. Yes I remember you telling me three seconds ago you could copycat all of them. No I don't give a damn because its tenseigan not ericgan.
Nerfing those techniques to where they are just regular chakra-based attacks is not Tensaigan either, when you think about it. part of the reason they were so powerful was because many of them were composed of the goudama KM balls. Without that composition, to have them still have the same exact strength is god-mode even by SL standards. To have them be lesser by taking away what made them special is to make them easily duplicatable and thus, pointless as a perk.
You aren't giving the Hyugans anything but push-pull, sage mode-like capabilities with the model that proposes the KM nerfing of the balls and thus subsequent techniques. Heck, at least my model gives them a KM to work into their bone techniques.
Except being the core portion of almost every jutsu the kg has, without which none of them work. Yes I remember you telling me three seconds ago you could copycat all of them. No I don't give a damn because its tenseigan not ericgan.
Maybe you guys should both take a break from this topic because you're both starting to look pretty ridiculous arguing about something completely pointless that neither of you are even going to use...
Maybe we do need to take a break to cool rising tempers, but there is no telling what we may or may not use in the future. I might pull a complete 180 and completely change my character to fit the new meta, especially if at any point my current one was to die for some reason.
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Except being the core portion of almost every jutsu the kg has, without which none of them work. Yes I remember you telling me three seconds ago you could copycat all of them. No I don't give a damn because its tenseigan not ericgan.
Nerfing those techniques to where they are just regular chakra-based attacks is not Tensaigan either, when you think about it. part of the reason they were so powerful was because many of them were composed of the goudama KM balls. Without that composition, to have them still have the same exact strength is god-mode even by SL standards. To have them be lesser by taking away what made them special is to make them easily duplicatable and thus, pointless as a perk.
You aren't giving the Hyugans anything but push-pull, sage mode-like capabilities with the model that proposes the KM nerfing of the balls and thus subsequent techniques. Heck, at least my model gives them a KM to work into their bone techniques.
Except being the core portion of almost every jutsu the kg has, without which none of them work. Yes I remember you telling me three seconds ago you could copycat all of them. No I don't give a damn because its tenseigan not ericgan.
Maybe you guys should both take a break from this topic because you're both starting to look pretty ridiculous arguing about something completely pointless that neither of you are even going to use...
Maybe we do need to take a break to cool rising tempers, but there is no telling what we may or may not use in the future. I might pull a complete 180 and completely change my character to fit the new meta, especially if at any point my current one was to die for some reason.
Yeah. Reason. ;)
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Except being the core portion of almost every jutsu the kg has, without which none of them work. Yes I remember you telling me three seconds ago you could copycat all of them. No I don't give a damn because its tenseigan not ericgan.
Nerfing those techniques to where they are just regular chakra-based attacks is not Tensaigan either, when you think about it. part of the reason they were so powerful was because many of them were composed of the goudama KM balls. Without that composition, to have them still have the same exact strength is god-mode even by SL standards. To have them be lesser by taking away what made them special is to make them easily duplicatable and thus, pointless as a perk.
You aren't giving the Hyugans anything but push-pull, sage mode-like capabilities with the model that proposes the KM nerfing of the balls and thus subsequent techniques. Heck, at least my model gives them a KM to work into their bone techniques.
Except being the core portion of almost every jutsu the kg has, without which none of them work. Yes I remember you telling me three seconds ago you could copycat all of them. No I don't give a damn because its tenseigan not ericgan.
Maybe you guys should both take a break from this topic because you're both starting to look pretty ridiculous arguing about something completely pointless that neither of you are even going to use...
Maybe we do need to take a break to cool rising tempers, but there is no telling what we may or may not use in the future. I might pull a complete 180 and completely change my character to fit the new meta, especially if at any point my current one was to die for some reason.
Yeah. Reason. ;)
Stranger things have happened. :smt080
Like Bocc leaving SL RP. I don't think I can count the hands of people who didn't see that coming.
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Well I just got tired of being insane, so I went sane, and so the only decision I could make in that state of mind was to sell my accounts and immediately quit.
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The Gudodama aren't even classified as Kekkei Mora or Senjutsu.
But anyways, forgive me for not reading the huge walls of text that have been going on for the last few pages, but I just want to consolidate the abilities that the Tenseigan grants.
- Control of attractive and repulsive forces (Basically the Deva Path)
- Flight (Six Paths Flight)
- Tenseigan Chakra Mode (Because it's a chakra mode, it cannot be combined with others, like Lightning Release Chakra Mode)
- Tenseigan Chakra infusion (The ability to enhance certain things by infusing them with the Tenseigan's green chakra, as seen with the Gudodama)
- The Tenseigan Chakra Mode's attacks in non-Gudodama variants (It wouldn't be fun to just completely cut them out because they're Gudodama-based)
Now let's go over what requirements would be needed to attain it
- Byakugan (resets)
- Otsutsuki genes (sub Mokuton/Hyouton or Kaguya/Gates resets)
- Rinnegan/Sage Mode resets subbed for Tenseigan
- Pilgrimage to the Tenseigan Altar to exchange eyes for new ones (Which really shouldn't be claimed, and should be easily-accessible for the blind)
Also a bit of trivia. The Rinnegan and Tenseigan are actually based from the word/phrase Rinnetensei, which means the cycle of reincarnation. Basically both of these Doujutsu are the reborn forms of the Sharingan and Byakugan, respectively.
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Now the next part is to wean yourself from the forum and you will finally be free. Somehow you haven't quite exited as cleanly as you intended to.
Why stop giving you excuses to be passive aggressive? God knows you've got nothing else of use to do.
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- Pilgrimage to the Tenseigan Altar to exchange eyes for new ones (Which really shouldn't be claimed, and should be easily-accessible for the blind)
Let's all just agree on this point at least <.<
And I personally don't even plan on getting the Tenseigan, what with sage/hyuuga and whatnot there's not really a significant buff to be found here.
I mean basically the Tenseigan (from what I've seen so far listed here) basically just trades the finesse of the Byakugan and it's fighting style into a "WOO LET'S BLOW STUFF UP" upgrade which is....wholly boring. (Same could be said about the Sharingan as well...but I've always had a fondness for just three tomoes over mangekyou and whatnot, people never use the darn thing right)
So honestly I imagine that if we're going to introduce the Tenseigan as a strong enough thing to be a viable upgrade to the Byakugan (arguments can be made whether or not it needs this) then it also can't be super OP (even though let's face it, the Rinnegan even with SL limitations is still fairly OP).
And also....wakka wakka. Wakka wakkwakkawakkwakkwaasorry I bored myself.
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And people say my threads need to be locked.
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Let's try to stay more or less on topic folks. A tangent here and there is fine, but let's not start going in the direction of derail here.
The Gudodama aren't even classified as Kekkei Mora or Senjutsu.
But anyways, forgive me for not reading the huge walls of text that have been going on for the last few pages, but I just want to consolidate the abilities that the Tenseigan grants.
- Control of attractive and repulsive forces (Basically the Deva Path)
- Flight (Six Paths Flight)
- Tenseigan Chakra Mode (Because it's a chakra mode, it cannot be combined with others, like Lightning Release Chakra Mode)
- Tenseigan Chakra infusion (The ability to enhance certain things by infusing them with the Tenseigan's green chakra, as seen with the Gudodama)
- The Tenseigan Chakra Mode's attacks in non-Gudodama variants (It wouldn't be fun to just completely cut them out because they're Gudodama-based)
Now let's go over what requirements would be needed to attain it
- Byakugan (resets)
- Otsutsuki genes (sub Mokuton/Hyouton or Kaguya/Gates resets)
- Rinnegan/Sage Mode resets subbed for Tenseigan
- Pilgrimage to the Tenseigan Altar to exchange eyes for new ones (Which really shouldn't be claimed, and should be easily-accessible for the blind)
Also a bit of trivia. The Rinnegan and Tenseigan are actually based from the word/phrase Rinnetensei, which means the cycle of reincarnation. Basically both of these Doujutsu are the reborn forms of the Sharingan and Byakugan, respectively.
The wikia claims that this chakra mode requires handsigns. Which seems kind of odd since almost every other special chakra mode in the series more or less did not require handsigns.
What does the Tensaigan chakra infusion actually grant techniques in general? I still haven't gotten the chance to see the whole movie, and I suspect that the infusion is similar to tailed beast chakra infusion or even senjutsu infusion as far as benefits go.
And what strength are the non-Gudodama Tensaigan chakra mode attacks at? Since they aren't Gudodama based, I presume they are going to be reduced considerably in strength, or at least the more powerful ones taking a greater strain in chakra.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Truth-Seeking_Balls
They consist of all of the basic elemental natures and even yin-yang, so while considered neither senjutsu nor Kekkai Mora, they are still incredibly powerful. The destructive power behind them is likely part of the reason the movie's various technique derivatives are so powerful.
Without it, the techniques would not be nearly as powerful, and so a nerf to more perfect Susano'o caliber is more than reasonable, though I still hardly see the point in including them at all unless we just want this chakra mode to be a psuedo-susano'o of sorts.
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Wiki's wrong then, it doesn't need seals, it just appears. Was at one point seen appearing even on just one arm only though that mighta been because tenseigan wasn't mature at that point yet.
The only 'infusion' in the movie were the gudodama centered jutsus, nothing else, so imo it shouldn't be a thing. If its made into one anyway then it should just be the same as senjutsu, because senpo moves tend to already be 'lolsenjutsu so I win automatically', so going beyond that wouldn't be bright.
Push and pull, also hypnosis, those can be kept as they are, they don't require the balls either. The ones that do, as I was saying earlier, can be just left largely the same as in movie if they're made to be way chakra costly to reach those higher power levels. Only exception is the sword, that should be the same as a stabilized susanoo sword max.
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I kinda feel like we've already put the rules up, and are arguing over small changes to them? Whether they're actually Gudodama or not the Jutsu could still do the same stuff, but I don't much care either way