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Akasaka Rakudo

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Re: Perma Ban Bijuu Pls, Bijuu OP
« Reply #135 on: November 14, 2013, 07:24:56 PM »

I was under the impression that it wasn't going to be common knowledge that "There is a Jinchuriki of the 9 tails in Kumo, his name is Zenaku." and so on, just so people couldn't hide it forever. If we are deciding to make it harder for the hunters then we could nix that like you guys are saying now.
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Re: Perma Ban Bijuu Pls, Bijuu OP
« Reply #136 on: November 14, 2013, 09:52:10 PM »

I was under the impression that it wasn't going to be common knowledge that "There is a Jinchuriki of the 9 tails in Kumo, his name is Zenaku." and so on, just so people couldn't hide it forever. If we are deciding to make it harder for the hunters then we could nix that like you guys are saying now.

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« Reply #137 on: November 15, 2013, 02:00:03 AM »

Wow awkward typo. I meant to say I thought it WAS going to be common knowledge. Just that they exist in a certain village essentially so you have somewhere to start.
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Re: Perma Ban Bijuu Pls, Bijuu OP
« Reply #138 on: November 15, 2013, 02:22:08 AM »

It'd be silly to know where the jinchuuriki of a bijuu was should it be secretly extracted from its host and laundered into the possession of a wandering shinobi or a small village that never releases any information regarding it to the outside world.

Fact is the confidentiality of handling the management of a jinchuuriki's whereabouts and information regarding them being a host plays a major factor (or damn well should) in determining whether the outside world has enough information to pinpoint the area they can be located in.

As mentioned earlier, it'd make sense, were a village to keep its jinchuuriki's identity (and potentially, their existence) hidden, for a keen-as-hell sensor or another jinchuuriki to be able to sense them out.

In other words, it should only be common knowledge if the jinchuuriki's associates gloated excessively in public or information was spilled some way or another for an outsider to access.
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Re: Perma Ban Bijuu Pls, Bijuu OP
« Reply #139 on: November 15, 2013, 04:59:00 AM »

Two things:

1. *They will die when stripped of their Bijuu and those with exceptional life force will be left in a weakened state.

2. They shouldn't have to exit their village. If, say, Eric was still in Konoha and he publicly RPed in Konoha within the required time limit, then there is no need for him to exit the village. Why would he need to in the first place? To make it easier on hunters? If so, that's stupid. It was hard for the Akatsuki in the series so it shouldn't be any easier for players especially since most Jincuriki leave their from time to time. I did it some of the time, Kirk did, Eric did/is, etc.

Requiring the jincks to leave their village, at a single time of the month or so, is not really asking that much. No one ever said that they had to leave alone; you could still have an entire escort of shinobi that are just as capable of defenders in the field as they were at home. Going into their local countryside like Konoha Forest in your example is good enough.

The point of that argument is, in a sense, to make it just a little easier on the hunters; the jinck could still carry around a huge load and rear guard, but at least the battle would not be in the village were there to be a huge strew fest. As anyone involved in hosting and challenges know, biju battles can get rather heated if you put the right people in the mix.

At least, if they have left their village, people can still leave the village in order to help them out should the time occur (and they're just talking a stroll in the surrounding countryside), so saying that the jincks would be much more poorly defended is a load even a whore shouldn't have to swallow, unless the village has hax barriers and such. :P

Another part of this was to prevent hoarding from extending to hosts. Yeah, I get it, it's totally a fair option to tell the jinck that they can't leave, the series shows that. But, at the same time, the series also shows how unpractical that is, especially if the jinck is on the stronger side.

There are no rampant shinobi wars going on right now, and missions are hardly a cut-throat occupation, making the hunter have to go through not just the people, but the walls, the buildings, and literally make them destroy the village just to have a chance at the tailed beast is quite ludicrous.

Not just for the hunter(s), but even for the villagers themselves. The Kage wants to hoard the beast in the pot smoker down in the basement; Bocc returns to SL (most lucid example that comes to mind atm) with an army of stone shinobi and derp rushes the village. Now the entire village is caught up in this, and in one way or another, it forces everyone in the village to participate one way or another in the biju game.

Large RP's nowadays, fail, and it is not always just because of how long it takes people to post (though that's part of it) and RL getting in the way (a big part of it). Some would say "Well, they can just post doing something else somewhere else".

Well, no, not really, we all know the style in which Bocc (or anyone attacking a villager) would go, if given the chance, he would bring the entire village to bear just to repel; no half-loyal citizen of any village is going to just go about their daily lives, buying bread and fapping to the Icha Icha series while everything around them is getting shredded in some huge battle.

And if they do... Then their characterization better not even bat an eye if a meteor-sized piece of wood crashes down on their favorite food shop.

Summary: Making the jincks leave their village/hideout every now and again, for the time listed previously, makes this whole thing fairer for the hunters, and reasonable for the general inhabitants of said village, and it isn't exactly asking for an arm and a leg either.
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Re: Perma Ban Bijuu Pls, Bijuu OP
« Reply #140 on: November 15, 2013, 05:05:36 AM »

Summary: Making the jincks leave their village/hideout every now and again, for the time listed previously, makes this whole thing fairer for the hunters, and reasonable for the general inhabitants of said village, and it isn't exactly asking for an arm and a leg either.

And just how long should they be outside for, a day? Would visiting another village qualify if they were required to pass through the zones?
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Re: Perma Ban Bijuu Pls, Bijuu OP
« Reply #141 on: November 15, 2013, 05:35:29 AM »

Summary: Making the jincks leave their village/hideout every now and again, for the time listed previously, makes this whole thing fairer for the hunters, and reasonable for the general inhabitants of said village, and it isn't exactly asking for an arm and a leg either.

And just how long should they be outside for, a day? Would visiting another village qualify if they were required to pass through the zones?

The time we previously agreed on should be sufficient. Didn't we say like once a week or once a month or something?

And visiting another village would by definition count, as they're not in their own village anymore. The zone thing would be extra. I mean, if people start hunting, kick the jinkc out and watch the fireworks?

Or, just say that travel through the zones would count... 
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Re: Perma Ban Bijuu Pls, Bijuu OP
« Reply #142 on: November 15, 2013, 05:44:15 AM »

Most do leave their village, though. I don't see the point in making it mandatory especially when if they're one of the more active Jinchuriki. Also, if they attack a village then it not only promotes more RP but it makes it harder on them and that's what one should expect when trying to kill anyone. It's not easy so we shouldn't make it easy just because there is a Tailed Beast involved. As for the whole 'it makes it a cluster ****' that's because Bocc' was terrible at attacking villages because he never planned or discussed it and just rushed in half the time. However, look at when Zenaku did it: it went pretty smooth and the only time I can recall something going wrong was in Kiri and that was due to Cmage.

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Re: Perma Ban Bijuu Pls, Bijuu OP
« Reply #143 on: November 15, 2013, 06:02:09 AM »

Most do leave their village, though. I don't see the point in making it mandatory especially when if they're one of the more active Jinchuriki. Also, if they attack a village then it not only promotes more RP but it makes it harder on them and that's what one should expect when trying to kill anyone. It's not easy so we shouldn't make it easy just because there is a Tailed Beast involved. As for the whole 'it makes it a cluster ****' that's because Bocc' was terrible at attacking villages because he never planned or discussed it and just rushed in half the time. However, look at when Zenaku did it: it went pretty smooth and the only time I can recall something going wrong was in Kiri and that was due to Cmage.

If most leave their village, then they should have no problem with this mandatory addition. :)

Attacking someone or a group promotes just as much RP as attacking a village. The evidence is, well, evident; attacking a village, some defenders come to do the job. Attacking in a random location out in the 'wild', some defenders come to do the job. There is no significant increase that village fights have over zone-based ones in the art of 'generating' more RP.

Honestly, Bocc was not that terrible; surprise was a, well, surprising element, that went unusually well in Konoha. There was a little bickering, but the fight finished, even as a few stomped for the whole matter to be voided. I prefer Bocc's method, when it comes to attacking active villages, and that is just me.

I can't say on Zenaku's times, because I never knew Zenaku even attacked any villages.

You're acting as if this suddenly puts the biju right into the horny lap of hunters, which quite frankly, it does not. The hunters still have to work to get the tailed beasts, because it is not only just a short window of opportunity, but rarely would a smart host take this time to go out completely alone if they suspect that they are on a hit list.

There is a fine line between making something difficult enough to maintain the challenge and making something so difficult that no one is going to bother.
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« Reply #144 on: November 15, 2013, 06:10:43 AM »

The time we previously agreed on should be sufficient. Didn't we say like once a week or once a month or something?

I was referring to how long they shouldn't be in their village, rather than how often they should leave it. Personally I don't think they should have to spend any longer than a day outside if it's in regards to this little rule, regardless of how badly it lines up with the schedules of prospective hunters.

Most do leave their village, though. I don't see the point in making it mandatory especially when if they're one of the more active Jinchuriki. Also, if they attack a village then it not only promotes more RP but it makes it harder on them and that's what one should expect when trying to kill anyone. It's not easy so we shouldn't make it easy just because there is a Tailed Beast involved. As for the whole 'it makes it a cluster ****' that's because Bocc' was terrible at attacking villages because he never planned or discussed it and just rushed in half the time. However, look at when Zenaku did it: it went pretty smooth and the only time I can recall something going wrong was in Kiri and that was due to Cmage.

There's more or less just a problem with impacting the village community that wants no part of the conflict and being forced into it were the entire village threatened with destruction.

I do think there should be risk of village destruction, and really if somebody's to be blamed for such an event, it should be the jinchuuriki's responsibility to face the ridicule. That being said, jinchuuriki should not be killed before the extraction takes place (I'm sure though that's already a thing; it'd be silly to destroy a village and also the jinchuuriki along with it).

Though anyway, I think forcing the host to leave their village once a month is deadset fair, even if it's just to visit another, heavily fortified village for a day or so. Fact is the hunters won't receive direct notification as to when this will occur until perhaps after the host states that they've just performed their mandatory relocation for the month.

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« Reply #145 on: November 15, 2013, 06:21:01 AM »

The time we previously agreed on should be sufficient. Didn't we say like once a week or once a month or something?

I was referring to how long they shouldn't be in their village, rather than how often they should leave it. Personally I don't think they should have to spend any longer than a day outside if it's in regards to this little rule, regardless of how badly it lines up with the schedules of prospective hunters.

Most do leave their village, though. I don't see the point in making it mandatory especially when if they're one of the more active Jinchuriki. Also, if they attack a village then it not only promotes more RP but it makes it harder on them and that's what one should expect when trying to kill anyone. It's not easy so we shouldn't make it easy just because there is a Tailed Beast involved. As for the whole 'it makes it a cluster ****' that's because Bocc' was terrible at attacking villages because he never planned or discussed it and just rushed in half the time. However, look at when Zenaku did it: it went pretty smooth and the only time I can recall something going wrong was in Kiri and that was due to Cmage.

There's more or less just a problem with impacting the village community that wants no part of the conflict and being forced into it were the entire village threatened with destruction.

I do think there should be risk of village destruction, and really if somebody's to be blamed for such an event, it should be the jinchuuriki's responsibility to face the ridicule. That being said, jinchuuriki should not be killed before the extraction takes place (I'm sure though that's already a thing; it'd be silly to destroy a village and also the jinchuuriki along with it).

Though anyway, I think forcing the host to leave their village once a month is deadset fair, even if it's just to visit another, heavily fortified village for a day or so. Fact is the hunters won't receive direct notification as to when this will occur until perhaps after the host states that they've just performed their mandatory relocation for the month.



If you're all dead-set on it then I'll agree as well. The only problem I had with it was that it forced people to do something that most already do.

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Re: Perma Ban Bijuu Pls, Bijuu OP
« Reply #146 on: November 15, 2013, 06:24:31 AM »

Oh. Yeah, a day should be fine enough. Abuse by standing just a few feet from the village gates might prompt a different reaction depending on how much of an issue that causes.

Ironically, Nathan, it is for those who don't already do it that the point will have the most impact on. Hosts that don't will just have something to adhere to, while hosts that do can just carry on as normal.
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« Reply #147 on: November 15, 2013, 06:28:10 AM »

Just let the hosts roam for the day at their discretion. If they're barely distant from their village, then of course that'd be completely questionable.

It's easy enough for the hosts, and is still difficult for the hunters (seeing they'd need to log on every day just to see if their 'prize' has gone on their mandatory day-long trip).
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« Reply #148 on: November 15, 2013, 06:56:13 AM »

Oh. Yeah, a day should be fine enough. Abuse by standing just a few feet from the village gates might prompt a different reaction depending on how much of an issue that causes.

Ironically, Nathan, it is for those who don't already do it that the point will have the most impact on. Hosts that don't will just have something to adhere to, while hosts that do can just carry on as normal.

So since i am going to be wandering can I just rp that anyone who comes to get me is attacked by a wandering tribe of 100 bears?
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« Reply #149 on: November 15, 2013, 07:09:30 AM »

So since i am going to be wandering can I just rp that anyone who comes to get me is attacked by a wandering tribe of 100 bears?

Unless a Game Master is willing to do that for you or you're the one leading the tribe, you're out of luck.
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