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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 02:54:11 AM

Title: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 02:54:11 AM
I have noticed that more and more people are doing ic hunt with their beast. Thats all good but where do we draw the line with refusing peoples rp who come to get the beast? Like could one turn down or void an rp if said person was wrong about a small detail?

Ex. Pam uses the telescope tech to find the 35 tails Pam states seeing or maybe seeing a fence. Yugi is the host and said that the fence was taken down and is no longer there. Should yugi be able to void pams rp just because there was no fence?
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Old Man Xia on August 11, 2015, 02:58:41 AM
Well I for one, if I was a Jinchuriki, would prefer IC hunts. You have to be able to find out information and seek out a Jinchuriki as the Akatsuki did in the show. It may take a while, but it is a lot better then doings things OOC.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
I know that.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 03:02:02 AM
Should the jink be able to void the rp cuz there was no fence? Thats all I need to know
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Becquerel on August 11, 2015, 03:05:59 AM
No, I don't think so because that's asinine. That'd basically be the same as
'George entered the restaurant where the 17 tailed Jink was eating' and the 17 tailed could say, "Nope, I was only drinking inside the restaurant. Void!"
RP is meant to bring out creativity. Not everyone has the same setting in their mind. Some people might expect the streets of Konoha to look one way, while the other person has a different representation in their head. Just because their two ideas don't match up 100% shouldn't make one person's view wrong and the other right. They should reach a middle ground of acceptance.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 03:08:03 AM
Thank you bec. I agree completely. Before I say anything about what inspied this I need more opinions.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 11, 2015, 03:38:16 AM
No that's stupid.

Why do people have such a hard time remembering that this is a game?

If you are using correct methods to find people, who cares if the aesthetic details are off? You could as well have just said that Pam uses the technique and just finds who she is looking for. No details otherwise. Why don't we do that? Because it's not interesting to anyone. So we add cute little details like that for everyone to enjoy. Those details are not a requirement, they are a courtesy. 
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 03:45:22 AM
Indeed. Ive taken the high road, doing the rp again. This time we will see what is wrong with it. I think said jink is just being a cunt but whatever.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 11, 2015, 03:53:57 AM
Damn.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Old Man Xia on August 11, 2015, 03:55:58 AM
Um wow....
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Becquerel on August 11, 2015, 03:58:43 AM
Masane, please mind your language. That seems to be the thing that mostly gets you in trouble here. I know we've had problems in the past, but I'm in your corner this time. I also don't believe that the entire RP should be re-done over one small detail. Yes, I do believe whoever was the source of this issue was being unfair but you still have to mind your language or it'll just end up making you look like the bad guy.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 04:22:28 AM
Bec I really dont care. I call it how I see it. 
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 04:23:54 AM
We are doing the rp again so there should be no reason he does not get his fight
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Mei on August 11, 2015, 04:45:40 AM
Masane, you said you're doing IC hunt again? As in, you already IC hunt this character and you're doing the whole process over again? If so, you can just instantly find them via Sage Mode or any other sensing tech.

And it seems like the Jinks that are doing IC hunts are the ones that are barely active. >.>

I don't see any guidelines for the IC hunt and how it's suppose to go. Who's to prevent you from asking a village's NPC the name and physical description of the village's Jink? Logic says all village members should know who it is with the exception of the kids. Use Byakugan or any similar method, and say you found the person. Unless you know for a fact that Jink is not in the village atm.

Acceptable? Probably not. Legit RP? Indeed.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 11, 2015, 04:49:36 AM
And it seems like the Jinks that are doing IC hunts are the ones that are barely active. >.>

Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 04:50:01 AM
No my target is doing ic hunt. I used the telescope tech to find the beast, I was presented with its chakra to do so. The host refused to fight because I stated seeing kiris bridge that apparently is no longer there.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Hazama on August 11, 2015, 04:51:20 AM
That's so cheap though, Mei <<; I mean, yeah, it works. But it's so damn cheap xD I have it so people need to find out IC first, to encourage some RP, but I didn't add that rule so someone could stand outside whatever village I am in, throw up their Byakugan or Sage Mode, and then BAM! That's lame as hell >>;

ANYWAY!!! Nah, I think if you found out through actual RP, whether it be the methods mentioned above, or even through a grapevine, no one can really just void you o.o

And seeing as you need to really know someone's chakra to use a Telescope technique, as you used in your example, then you REALLY would be able to find them xD... Of course, I don't see how that would even let you know that have a Bijuu >> There are no physical ways to tell and I don't think the telescope moves lets you feel chakra o.o Just see what's going on around said person, or what said person is doing.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 04:51:26 AM
We decided to do it again so the host cant say no, even though I feel like she cant say know now
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 04:52:36 AM
I have the beasts chakra Athos
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Hazama on August 11, 2015, 04:52:49 AM
SHE and is in Kiri.

Okay, so Gitsune is already proving to be a hopeless and foolish Bijuu Host >_>

Seriously xD You can't be voided because you missed a detail in a village you aren't from and don't spend a lot of time with. And if that was really her problem, why didn't you just post the same exact post but without the detail of the bridge? o.o Problem solved.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 04:55:03 AM
Madara wanted to do it like this. He is fighting her so I will do it his way. I sid that at first but he wants to do it again
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Hazama on August 11, 2015, 04:59:14 AM
That sounds... Fishy and extremely nonsensical o.o But, to each their own o: I gave my two cents xD Not much else for me to say.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 11, 2015, 05:00:19 AM
I think Kiri's little void should be null, considering the detail they are voiding this for is irrelevant to the rest of the post. It's kinda humorous in a sad way when you think about it. They must have honestly not been ready for someone to actually hunt them down.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 05:07:06 AM
Right. Thats why its ic hunt, she cant fight. I think it should be null too. They are just reaching.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Trev on August 11, 2015, 05:17:30 AM
You can't have biju chakra, idk why everone does this. Or at least if so, change the rules.

Tampering with the Bijū
Tampering with the bijū, meaning: destroying it, altering its affinity, dividing its powers into multiple entities, etc. and any action that changes it from its known canon form is strictly prohibited.

But as to the IC hunt rule. When that rule was first placed, it meant that the Jinch had to leave their village every two weeks for a day. Making it much easier to hunt them, since it is a pain for the hunter. But now everyone just stays in their village mostly. Should be back to the old way
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 05:24:45 AM
Yes we can. I got it from madara who got it from the senju tree. Why cant that happen? Its in a sealing tag
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Trev on August 11, 2015, 05:27:11 AM
No, you can't. It's dividing the biju's power, in the above rule I just posted.


You can't cause it's a rule. Similar to how an Edo Tensei user can summon more then 3 zombies as Kabuto showed us. But on SL you can't. Logic and the manga dictate you can, but the rule says no for fairness sake.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 05:32:33 AM
Im not dividing the paower. I cant use the chakra in a fight. It was only to track it.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Murciélago/Bryantheexiled on August 11, 2015, 05:36:30 AM
The fact is by having any chakra from it whether sealed away or in possession of it is considered dividing it's chakra even if it's only 1/100,000,000 it's still technically breaking the rule. I'm gonna have to agree with Trev in terms of opinion
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Trev on August 11, 2015, 05:38:25 AM
You are making the biju have less chakra, which makes it not as powerful, but it's too much to just insta find it.

Way I see it, IC hunts are suppose to be challenging.

Like it shouldn't be so easy that all you do is claim to have the biju's chakra and then use a technique to track it anywhere.

But it also shouldn't be the hunter having to go through hell and months of rp to find host, most of whom use various techniques and other things to stay mostly hidden.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on August 11, 2015, 05:47:33 AM
You are making the biju have less chakra, which makes it not as powerful, but it's too much to just insta find it.

Way I see it, IC hunts are suppose to be challenging.

Like it shouldn't be so easy that all you do is claim to have the biju's chakra and then use a technique to track it anywhere.

But it also shouldn't be the hunter having to go through hell and months of rp to find host, most of whom use various techniques and other things to stay mostly hidden.

Yeah all the new age jincks turtle behind their village with 12 different barriers and three different types of way to completely fuck you if you try and enter or find them, and then when you try something clever to find them, they immediately jump to the void wagon and give you the middle finger.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Kage on August 11, 2015, 05:51:33 AM
If I remember right, there was something in the guidelines for those who solely prefer IC hunts to have them known publically about their Jinchuriki status. Was never really officially amended to the rules, but was more of a guideline.

You can't have biju chakra, idk why everone does this. Or at least if so, change the rules.

Tampering with the Bijū
Tampering with the bijū, meaning: destroying it, altering its affinity, dividing its powers into multiple entities, etc. and any action that changes it from its known canon form is strictly prohibited.

But as to the IC hunt rule. When that rule was first placed, it meant that the Jinch had to leave their village every two weeks for a day. Making it much easier to hunt them, since it is a pain for the hunter. But now everyone just stays in their village mostly. Should be back to the old way

The loophole with that rule though, is that it is canon that it's powers can be bestowed upon multiple entities in an indirect way. (Ex. Naruto granting the shinobi forces Kurama's chakra, and the chakra cloak was reliant on Naruto continuing to supply and connect to them all.) It's an old rule that hasn't been updated recently. Though I do understand that the rule clearly means that you can't divide Kurama into nine different tails to nine different entities, no matter how cool it might sound for them all to fuse back together. (Think of Ninetails (http://okami.wikia.com/wiki/Ninetails) and the Fox Rods (http://okami.wikia.com/wiki/Fox_Rods) from Okami.) And it's meant to not have individuals with similar powers of Ginkaku and Kinkaku's abilities.

Otherwise, the hunting process can really gimp out on a lot of people who are not so familiar or versed with Tailed Beast Chakra. It would really give an advantage to those who have already had a Tailed Beast and are familiar with their chakras.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 05:52:09 AM
Yall are tripping. The beast would regain their chakra. So you tellimg me the chakra from all the beasts in the senju tree is not really in there? Do you not pay attention to the actual verse? The 9 ran out of chakra and had to sit there and meditate to recover it
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Becquerel on August 11, 2015, 05:55:59 AM
Hey everyone, what about when the 8 tails got his tail cut off? Or those brothers ate part of the 9 tails? Technically, it's a division of bijuu chakra...But it's also different in some ways. I thought chakra naturally recovered over time. Does that mean that the chakra the brothers gained from eating Kyuubi meat was taken from Kyuubi forever?
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Uchiha Madara on August 11, 2015, 05:56:54 AM
The rule you mentioned Trev doesn't apply to this situation (dividing its powers into multiple entities a tag is not an entity. If it did, then a Jinchuriki couldn't channel Bijuu chakra into any tool or weapon without breaking the rules. I honestly don't know how long ago the Senju Tree had the beast's chakra, but apparently it was okay with the majority of Konoha if it was there doing this. Void the tag you might as well void the tree of ever having any of the beasts chakra to begin with.

If a person has some of Kurama's chakra somehow, I wouldn't be against them tracking me down as long as its a legitimate method and showed some effort in RP to face me. But at the same time I can see how it can be abused, but as for going against current rules? It doesn't.

Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 11, 2015, 05:59:21 AM
Well, the obviously a jink can never use clone techniques. That is dividing the beasts chakra into multiple entities too. Oh and that also means that they can't enhance any of their longer range techniques because if they add chakra to it, then fire it, that chakra is now by the rules logic a separated entity. Man, being a jink sucks.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Trev on August 11, 2015, 06:02:49 AM
I personally don't accept the senju grand tree having all 9 chakra from the tailed beast, not even remotely.

@Kage, no there is no loophole, since the rule used the word and. "and any action that changes it from its known canon form is strictly prohibited." Which means that along with this the other things still apply "Even though some of those things such as dividing power are canon."

@Beq possibly. I mean Minato split Kurama's power in half, and that didn't come back.

@Madara, my comment wasn't totally aimed at Masane, I've seen people seal biju chakra in themselves, summons, and other things. I don't really care if it's allowed, but the rule should be reworded or removed or something in my opinion

@Rus, no now you're just trying to find a loophole >> Taking it word for word and not looking at it with context is insane. Almost like you assuming the 2nd amendment is literally about bear arms
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on August 11, 2015, 06:09:20 AM
Everyone is just throwing semantics at trev, and at this point instead of continuing this trend, how bout we solve the underlying issue and not allow jincks to hide forever and then bitch when someone finds em. Make it possible for the hunter to actually do just that.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 11, 2015, 06:12:37 AM
While my example was extreme, I was pointing something out. It's called interpretation Trev.  The way I interpret the rule is different from how you interpret it. When the rule says you cannot divide it into a separate entity, I see that as saying they cannot create pseudo jinks or give everyone beast cloaks. Not that they beast's chakra is completely immune to being absorbed or used for tracking later.

Plus if you are seeing everyone doing this, then obviously the rule either isn't working or there is confusion on what is considered an entity.     

Everyone is just throwing semantics at trev, and at this point instead of continuing this trend, how bout we solve the underlying issue and not allow jincks to hide forever and then bitch when someone finds em. Make it possible for the hunter to actually do just that.

And I was fairly certain that we have already established that hosts are supposed to post every 2 weeks in a public place where people can actually find them, but we all know how good people are at actually doing that. We resort to these "Cheap" methods of finding the tailed beasts because everyone absolutely refuses to give any slack. They refuse to play the role they took on in this RPG.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 06:14:51 AM
Everyone is just throwing semantics at trev, and at this point instead of continuing this trend, how bout we solve the underlying issue and not allow jincks to hide forever and then bitch when someone finds em. Make it possible for the hunter to actually do just that.

nuff said.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Deathstroke on August 11, 2015, 06:16:31 AM
Everyone is just throwing semantics at trev, and at this point instead of continuing this trend, how bout we solve the underlying issue and not allow jincks to hide forever and then bitch when someone finds em. Make it possible for the hunter to actually do just that.

nuff said.

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Title: Re: So.
Post by: Trev on August 11, 2015, 06:25:14 AM
I believe the rule is pretty clear, it's relatively only people that look for loopholes or ask the what if's that pose the million different scenarios instead of just leaving things alone. You could literally do this to almost every rule ever, and interpret it differently.

Also, the first one. It's like the 2 week thing, it's a rule, a rule not followed by anyone, therefore the rule is not working.


Personally I would void the IC hunt option, biju stuff is already confusing enough with so many arguments of challenges. Why add something complicated like IC hunts that typically involved whole villages arguing, hunters using cheap tactics, cause the jinchs keep their host status top secret. It was suppose to be people do what Kage suggested as a guideline, and leave every two weeks, but that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Kage on August 11, 2015, 06:31:53 AM
People are more inclined to follow rules more strictly, as the consequences are usually stripping what they worked hard for.

Guidelines are just things that people follow out of respect for them, but there aren't really any consequences in not following them in the long run.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Becquerel on August 11, 2015, 06:50:39 AM
So what's the point of having Bijuu if you can't really use them for IC stuff? At least that's what I'm getting from this.
Still, wasn't there a previous topic that was about the turtling problem when it comes to bijuu?
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Hazama on August 11, 2015, 07:05:33 AM
This is... Getting a bit ridiculous, isn't it guys? I mean, while I don't agree with Konoha's Grand Senju Tree of Might having all the nine chakras, the hell can I do about it? As shown, people will keep doing what they want regardless o.o

I mean, the rule is clear, certain people here are just trying to pretend they suddenly don't understand it just to get what they want.

Shit, I'm one of those people >_> Anyone see the topic about my Bijuu Chakra Seal? xD I mean, c'mon.

But seriously << The rules should be followed but as for something, as seeing as the Tree of Chakra is, it can't be helped. I've known about that tree OOC for too many years for that to even be stopped x.x
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Garō, Ichirou on August 11, 2015, 07:43:30 AM
If I remember right a bit of the Biju's chakra is left behind in every Jinch whenever they are split from the beast, right? That's why Jinchs can track down old beasts better,

That's pretty much the same thing just for non-jinchs, The way I see it is as long as they're not running around using Biju cloaks or Biju dama on people there isn't any harm in it,

I also believe that the beasts shouldn't have to hide in their village. I admit I did it for a bit there when Keito came to the village, but after that I was like 'ehh.' and fought shadow one on one, we left the village together and everything. It's just fair that way, I mean you don't always have to do it like that, but at least don't hide behind tons of everything stopping techniques all the time
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Eric on August 11, 2015, 08:52:09 AM
... It may take a while, but it is a lot better then doings things OOC.

I completely and utterly disagree with you on this. More in detail later in my post on why.

While my example was extreme, I was pointing something out. It's called interpretation Trev...

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8015.0.html

We could get rid of the biju altogether and solve it once and for all.

But that is too radical. Let's instead come up with some more rules that will indefinitely have interpretation issues and loop us right back to where we started.

We are not back to where we started ,yet but we're getting there.  :-?


... Personally I would void the IC hunt option, biju stuff is already confusing enough with so many arguments of challenges. Why add something complicated like IC hunts that typically involved whole villages arguing, hunters using cheap tactics, cause the jinchs keep their host status top secret. It was suppose to be people do what Kage suggested as a guideline, and leave every two weeks, but that doesn't happen.



It really shouldn't be an issue since you should just make the challenge IC...

Now hold on, these challenges are supposed to be entirely OOC, including the actually challenging part. If RP is at all included in this, then issues of the recent sort are almost bound to arrive...

I recall the Temple RP with Warren and myself being hunted. Anyone who has forgotten or simply was not present can either use the search function or ask someone who was there, but long story short, one of the issues was how the aforementioned hosts were even found in the first place.

OOC fights for the tailed beasts are simpler, less complicated, and usually produce less player on player fighting and bickering. Almost everytime the tailed beast has been involveld in RP it has only brought about more and more issues in RP, leading to issues out of character that would loop back to issues of RP because of the price of letting the wrong issue(s) slide in a serious RP.

OOC fights with an ultimate judge, from my experience, just plain work better. More clear cut, less purple and red tape. Send to the icy bowels of the Shades the hunt RP because a quarter of the time (especially as of late) not even that portion of the challenge has been completed due to conflicting RP issues.


I have noticed that more and more people are doing ic hunt with their beast. Thats all good but where do we draw the line with refusing peoples rp who come to get the beast? Like could one turn down or void an rp if said person was wrong about a small detail?

Ex. Pam uses the telescope tech to find the 35 tails Pam states seeing or maybe seeing a fence. Yugi is the host and said that the fence was taken down and is no longer there. Should yugi be able to void pams rp just because there was no fence?

If the fence was critical (or even important) to finding the 35 tails, then yes. If not, then no, that void is just plain excessive.

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If I remember right a bit of the Biju's chakra is left behind in every Jinch whenever they are split from the beast, right?

That's the way it seems to work in the canon, and since this thread exists:

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7936.0.html

It has also existed in SL for quite awhile and is nothing new among forum discussion. Because it was around before this rule could be enforced really at all, the retention of tailed beast chakra in former hosts has been one of those things overlooked, though it IS technically against the rule:

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Tampering with the Biju, meaning: destroying it, editing its affinity, parting its powers into multiple entities, etc. & anything that changes it is prohibited.

By the definition of "power", the tailed beast's chakra falls under powers, so yes, making clones or sealsl with a portion of tailed beast chakra is also against the rule if you want to be hardcore on the semantics.

The intention of the rule, however, was to prevent a Minato-style split-up of tailed beasts to the point where there are multiple hosts (more psuedo-jinchs than actual jinchs). Combined with the impracticality of trying to force all of the previous hosts to give up that token of their power acquisition, even for our experts from Hasbro, only in that Minato case has the rule, to my recollection, really been enforced.

Title: Re: So.
Post by: Old Man Xia on August 11, 2015, 01:26:39 PM
So now that I know about this rule, as I have never taken the time to look at it for dividing bijuu chakra against the rules, I'll keep it in mind. And since when can you diverse what chakra you are getting from the Senju Grand Tree? I don't even think that is possible really as it sounds like a load of bull. Next, how can you know where to go if you have never been to Kirigakure either? If you have never been there, you have no knowledge of the place at all. Just like I can say I don't know Amegakure because I have never visited.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Uchiha Madara on August 11, 2015, 02:52:45 PM
The Minato situation and Menma's jutsu was the only thing that rule applied it in my mind. I wasn't the person who put it there so I don't know if they had sealing chakra in mind. Especially when you see no one following the rule, why wouldn't you think the "entities" in the rules aren't all encompassing? Because no one sees others splitting the Bijuu to Yin and Yang halfs or turning them into several individuals. I want to know who made this rule, whether it be one or multiple. Was sealing some of their chakra really going through their minds at the time?

So now that I know about this rule, as I have never taken the time to look at it for dividing bijuu chakra against the rules, I'll keep it in mind. And since when can you diverse what chakra you are getting from the Senju Grand Tree? I don't even think that is possible really as it sounds like a load of bull. Next, how can you know where to go if you have never been to Kirigakure either? If you have never been there, you have no knowledge of the place at all. Just like I can say I don't know Amegakure because I have never visited.

The telecope technique allows one to see the person and a bit of the surrounding area. Besides, say you were tracking me down, even if you never been to Ame and saw huge metal skyscrapers,  its not a huge leap to say, "Oh he might be in Amegakure." Thats the only village which has such a feature. Kirigakure is the only village surrounded by constant mist.

For me as long as you can sense me and find a way to narrow down the villages that isn't out of thin air, you've got me. Why make folks jump through hoops?

As for the tree, I dunno, was never involved in it, only heard of it.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Court on August 11, 2015, 07:46:25 PM
So... If you used this telescope technique and saw mist, wouldn't the mist be covering the person in question? What if said character is in a misty hot spring or a different location with a dense fog? I'm just asking to understand how it works, and if some circumstances would prevent it being effective.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Warren on August 11, 2015, 07:50:01 PM
Not that I care much of this whole rule debacle, but I would like to know when exactly and where did Masane/Madara visit the tree for that chakra? To my knowledge nobody, myself included, ever saw either come anywhere near the thing back when it was at konoha, nor after it was moved.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 11, 2015, 08:10:51 PM
Not that I care much of this whole rule debacle, but I would like to know when exactly and where did Masane/Madara visit the tree for that chakra? To my knowledge nobody, myself included, ever saw either come anywhere near the thing back when it was at konoha, nor after it was moved.

It was given to them by a third party.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Warren on August 11, 2015, 08:17:55 PM
I'd like to know who that was then, cause if it never actually happened legitly it'd make this thread basically moot >>
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Neji on August 11, 2015, 08:51:25 PM
Indeed. Ive taken the high road, doing the rp again. This time we will see what is wrong with it. I think said jink is just being a **** but whatever.

Please refrain from name calling.... no swear words  :evil:
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 11, 2015, 08:53:07 PM
I'd like to know who that was then, cause if it never actually happened legitly it'd make this thread basically moot >>

Well, it was me.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on August 11, 2015, 08:54:12 PM
Indeed. Ive taken the high road, doing the rp again. This time we will see what is wrong with it. I think said jink is just being a cunt but whatever.

Taken the high road here? As opposed to what?

Bec I really dont care. I call it how I see it.

Your behavior is a problem. I thought you had taken care of this personal issue. Please try again.

One of the rules I will again say that I wish to see adopted, is sportsmanlike behavior. These hosts are supposed to be the best RPers on the site. Digressing into vulgarity and badgering fit throwing behavior does not look like some paragon that I wish to see praised or emulated. Perhaps immolation would be much more fitting.

The rule against tampering with the bijuu was made because a host who had gotten sealed one day, the very next day, had partitioned out some of its chakra to implant into a friend. he had also claimed mastery and such but that was another issue and a need for people to step up and say...uhm, no.

The rule about the 2 week grace period was made for the host's protection. If they wave that time, it should be included into the match that he has not obtained mastery of even one tail and I feel he cannot be at optimum health; being sealed is a huge drain on a body. How could he possibly have done so? Unless...he/she is that bijuu's previous host. I just do not see it.

The grand Senju Tree was something I objected to from the get go because it autohit everyone who was ever in Konoha since it's inception. It's not about possible, it's about violating a basic rule of RP.

So how do you find the Senju Tree? It was supposedly moved to Kumo...never showed up...it is where exactly these days? And how do you get it to give up that illegally stolen chakra once you find it? And there are a bucket load of problems with this thing.

However...the hosts' right to choose OOC or IC matches was given. And in an IC encounter, metagaming is the biggest violation.

I truly do not see the problem with wanting to do an actual RP. Good luck getting anyone to play instead of bickering, IC or OOC.

Perhaps the problem is 'I have to win' mentality? Instead of lets go through an interesting encounter and enjoy the story unfolding, we see...a list of claims and properties taking priority.

Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 08:55:11 PM
So... If you used this telescope technique and saw mist, wouldn't the mist be covering the person in question? What if said character is in a misty hot spring or a different location with a dense fog? I'm just asking to understand how it works, and if some circumstances would prevent it being effective.


what natural hot sprimg has a forest and chakra infused mist?
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Warren on August 11, 2015, 09:00:41 PM
Uhhh...>_>;;; not to call you a liar or anything bruh, but did you actually do it? Cause I can't speak for you after it was to Uzushio (I was told its there anyway), but I don't recall you ever going even near the thing when it was back at konoha still.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 11, 2015, 09:01:47 PM
Indeed. Ive taken the high road, doing the rp again. This time we will see what is wrong with it. I think said jink is just being a cunt but whatever.


Taken the high road here? As opposed to what?

Bec I really dont care. I call it how I see it.

Your behavior is a problem. I thought you had taken care of this personal issue. Please try again.


It could hae been worse. Instead we redid the rp even though we felt there was no need too. MY behavior is not the issue here, its the jink in question who refuses a fight because of an effin bridge that has nothing to do with crap! The bridge is not what told  me where she was
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 11, 2015, 09:03:45 PM
The Senju Grand Tree is in the Uzumaki clan if I remember correctly. Though the chakra was extracted when it was still in Konoha.

Though on another note, a different Rp was done that may be more acceptable in the meantime while this is discussed. I'm uncertain if Madara has discussed it with the host. 

>.> Yes, I did. I lived in the Senju grand tree for Rusaku's initial introduction into the village. He had permission from the Hokage to extract whatever he wished from the tree for whatever purposes. The initial idea was to implant them into his body in a similar fashion to Athos's seal. This idea was quickly shut down, but the chakra was still in my possession. 
Title: Re: So.
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on August 11, 2015, 09:07:54 PM
Senju Rhoswen also lived in the tree. Still does as she never left it. She is gonna freak when she wakes up and finds out Konoha was totally absorbed and no longer exists!

So how come you never came over for tea, neighbor?
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Warren on August 11, 2015, 09:12:18 PM
May be good to bring this different one up too then, since people have always had quite the reservations accepting RP's and the like which were done so entirely out of the public view basically nobody knew about it.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: UettoSenju on August 11, 2015, 09:14:16 PM
Did someone mention my tree?
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Hazama on August 11, 2015, 09:17:33 PM
>.> Yes, I did. I lived in the Senju grand tree for Rusaku's initial introduction into the village. He had permission from the Hokage to extract whatever he wished from the tree for whatever purposes. The initial idea was to implant them into his body in a similar fashion to Athos's seal. This idea was quickly shut down, but the chakra was still in my possession.

Ahh.. Like father, like son. xD It's a good idea, damn it!
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 11, 2015, 09:21:48 PM
It's short because Vale was in a hurry, but it's there. I mention the beasts chakra in the RP, but I point out that I don't need it. So, go ahead and ignore that part for the time being.


(16h23m) <||||> Uchiha Vale a distortion between Space-Time would emerge 10 feet from Ryoji, spewing forth a young man in samurai akin armor. Holding with him a special piece of paper containing a part of the Two Tail's chakra.
(16h13m) <♪> Uchiha Ryoji would turn his head to look upon vale as he came into the room, seal in hand. ”Well then, Looks like I’m needed again?” he would motion for Vale to come over while he formed a single hand seal. From the earth, a coffin would sprout forth. Slowly the door would creek open to reveal+
(16h13m) <♪> Uchiha Ryoji Kamui Uchiha once again. ”Let me see it so I can send you on your way.”
(16h1m) <||||> Uchiha Vale chuckles,"It does seem like your needed alot huh? I'll cut to the chase, I need the exact location of the Two Tails Jinchuriki. I had an acquaintance check, but I want to make sure I have the right place." Holds up the piece of paper with the beast's chakra inside.
(15h33m) <♪> Uchiha Ryoji ”The Two tails still? Well, I don’t even need that sheet of paper then. I know the beasts chakra frequency due to my time training with Manji whilst he had the beast” Upon receiving a mental command Kamui would kick into action, summoning forth a crystal ball that would hover in the air before+
(15h32m) <♪> Uchiha Ryoji him. With a quick glance, Ryoji would send the information of the exact frequency that Matatabi’s chakra had at the time of her pairing with Manji. With this information he would begin to use the telescope technique in order to discover the beasts current location. Within the crystal ball, +
(15h32m) <♪> Uchiha Ryoji (Assuming there are no defences in the away of this technique's success) the image of Hagoromo Gitsune would flash into life. Whatever she may be doing at this current time (At this stage it seems that she is speaking with Ningyo) ”Well, there you go, she seems to be a kiri nin.” a detail he+
(15h32m) <♪> Uchiha Ryoji would gather by looking at the crest that she bore on her arm according to both her Wiki and her bio picture
(14h52m) <||||> Uchiha Vale grins with excitement,"Thanks. If things go as planned, i'll return with a little gift." The same spacial distortion would open up once more, sending the Uchiha off across Space-Time, back to where he was before stepping foot in Ryoji's abode.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: UettoSenju on August 11, 2015, 09:23:55 PM
Just to throw this out there: the tree does not have the chakra of all 9 beast, it did not devide any power of the tailed beast, and no you can't take the chakra of the tree in the fashion spoke of.

To do so you'd have to be able to enter Uetto's lab and only he can do that, not even Nathan.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Old Man Xia on August 12, 2015, 12:04:58 AM
Indeed. Ive taken the high road, doing the rp again. This time we will see what is wrong with it. I think said jink is just being a **** but whatever.


Taken the high road here? As opposed to what?

Bec I really dont care. I call it how I see it.

Your behavior is a problem. I thought you had taken care of this personal issue. Please try again.


It could have been worse. Instead we redid the rp even though we felt there was no need too. MY behavior is not the issue here, its the jink in question who refuses a fight because of an effin bridge that has nothing to do with crap! The bridge is not what told me where she was

The issue is that taking chakra from the Senju grand tree is what? I doubt you can get the 2 tails chakra in that fashion because it isn't like the shell for ten tails. Even then, how can you differ from what chakra you get from it? Next, the bridge may have been in the show, but it very well may not be part of SL for Kiri. I'm looking at all the things that are so wrong with tracking down Nibi, and since it is difficult to figure out who is the host to it, how can you even be sure of the place they may be at if you have NEVER visited the place. Its all fishy to me and smells rotten of meta-gaming.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 12, 2015, 12:29:00 AM
Okay so I have a better idea. Ill ask my edo puppet, tsuyo, a former jink of the two tails, about the beast and learn about the beast that way. No one can say jack about that seeing as he KNOWS the chakra signature.  He can telescope it, and he has knowledge of kiri. Complain about that if you want to. This ish is crazy.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 12, 2015, 12:31:07 AM
Okay so I have a better idea. Ill ask my edo puppet, tsuyo, a former jink of the two tails, about the beast and learn about the beast that way. No one can say jack about that seeing as he KNOWS the chakra signature.  He can telescope it, and he has knowledge of kiri. Complain about that if you want to. This ish is crazy.

A viable option indeed.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 12, 2015, 12:31:33 AM
And xia, what other place in the world has chakra infused mist? Its obvious but whatever you kiri kids can keep crying, it  aint gonna save you
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on August 12, 2015, 12:36:14 AM
And xia, what other place in the world has chakra infused mist? Its obvious but whatever you kiri kids can keep crying, it  aint gonna save you

Yeah, somehow I bet two things are gonna happen.

The first being, your vulgarity is gonna/keep bite/biting you in the arse.

Second being that they are gonna void that too, since Isaribi did with my challenge right before he got stripped.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 12, 2015, 12:38:31 AM
I wont be vulger and if they void this, ill sink kiri. There is no reason that this can be voided. Other than the fact that she knows she is gonna lose
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on August 12, 2015, 12:40:34 AM
I wont be vulger and if they void this, ill sink kiri. There is no reason that this can be voided. Other than the fact that she knows she is gonna lose

How in the heck do I have more negative Karma than you!? >_> I swear it's the boobs or something.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 12, 2015, 12:41:56 AM
That time of the month. Lol. Nah I dot know guy. Its that SL logic
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Uchiha Madara on August 12, 2015, 12:51:38 AM
I think the RP with with Ryoji is sufficient, but if people still are against it, we'll simply do Masane's idea.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 12, 2015, 12:55:48 AM
There no reason that ryojis way would not work. Best to just take this loss cuz if I use tsuyo there wont be a kiri left.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Eric on August 12, 2015, 01:09:17 AM
And xia, what other place in the world has chakra infused mist? Its obvious but whatever you kiri kids can keep crying, it  aint gonna save you

There no reason that ryojis way would not work. Best to just take this loss cuz if I use tsuyo there wont be a kiri left.

That time of the month. Lol. Nah I dot know guy. Its that SL logic

I wont be vulger and if they void this, ill sink kiri. There is no reason that this can be voided. Other than the fact that she knows she is gonna lose

Masane, seriously, how many times do you have to be told to chill? This is a repetitive issue from you that has come up multiple times in the past and in the present. It's not about you not metagaming or whatever at this point, it's about your insistence on continuing to insult and lash out.

If you insist on continuing in this fashion, disciplinary action will have to be taken. This is my last time saying it, speak only your point and leave the inflammatory commentary out of it.

If anyone wants to continue talking about the Senju Grand Tree and its abilities, make another topic for it.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 12, 2015, 01:13:46 AM
[omitted] This tree has been in play for years and no one says jack until I use it. [omitted] I did not metagame anythig. Vale broght me the chakra and I tracked it. Simple. You all want to focus on my words but not the issue at hand. [omitted]

*Left the point, cut the rest.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Old Man Xia on August 12, 2015, 02:54:37 AM
And xia, what other place in the world has chakra infused mist? Its obvious but whatever you kiri kids can keep crying, it  aint gonna save you

Obviously you never do research and come up with lesser means to just meta game in finding a Jinchuriki, but Kiri doesn't have chakra infused mist, no bridge, or any of that sort. I also never said I was gonna void it, but I only crunched down on this because a lot of what was being done was a load of crap. As they said before, your vulgarity is gonna hurt more than anything else.

Also, would it be ok to say that because of vulgarity and lashing out like this, I can choose not to RP? I don't wanna deal with someone who thinks they are self entitled.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Court on August 12, 2015, 02:57:09 AM
If there is chakra infused mist, wouldn't it obscure the telescope technique further? I'm just asking, because in the event it was the case, sounds even more moot than before? Not that there is, but I suppose it could be a debate in and of itself.

But, I'll try to stay on topic. Unless this is closed until another issue arises?
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Old Man Xia on August 12, 2015, 03:01:12 AM
Just thought you can also use this as a reference because what I say stands true and it is available on the Wikia created by I forget who.

http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Kirigakure
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Eric on August 12, 2015, 03:19:54 AM
Xia (and others), don't instigate either. Xia, if you don't know what part of your post is instigating we can have a short PM about it, but here and now is not the place nor time for making jabs of any sort towards Masane.


Anyways, if you are the host of a tailed beast, you can totally decide to stop RPing altogether; but you won't be keeping the tailed beast you're championing/hosting/controlling either. If you're just a by-stander involved then by all means, step away from the issue at hand. If the primary issue is if the telescope technique would work, the simple answer is that as long as a sample of either the host or the target's chakra is known to the user, then it should work:

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Telescope_Technique

Having a sample of the tailed beast's chakra is plausible by concept, but not necesssary to use the above technique. Only knowing the pattern of it (I.E, having encountered and ID'd it before, or having someone with this kind of information grant you that intel) is needed.

It is unlikely that chakra-coated Mist would conceal the technique anyways, but since that isn't currently present then there is nothing to worry about there.

What issues remain to be resolved for this thread?

Title: Re: So.
Post by: Old Man Xia on August 12, 2015, 03:30:33 AM
Xia (and others), don't instigate either. Xia, if you don't know what part of your post is instigating we can have a short PM about it, but here and now is not the place nor time for making jabs of any sort towards Masane.

Sorry, but i'm usually blunt and straightforward. I will not take back what I say because people are offended too easily. Only time I will is when I need to make edits.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Eric on August 12, 2015, 03:40:37 AM
Xia (and others), don't instigate either. Xia, if you don't know what part of your post is instigating we can have a short PM about it, but here and now is not the place nor time for making jabs of any sort towards Masane.

Sorry, but i'm usually blunt and straightforward. I will not take back what I say because people are offended too easily. Only time I will is when I need to make edits.

Don't apologize, just bear that in mind. If Masane lashes back at you because you baited her in the first place, as a moderator, it would be senseless at this point to only censor her and not you. As I said to her, keep the point and cut the rest. It's not that hard to do.

Title: Re: So.
Post by: Rusaku on August 12, 2015, 03:45:21 AM
So can Kri defend their beast yet? The RP was done every which way just to appease them. At the end of the day if you want to have a beast, you need to defend it. It's part of the game.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 12, 2015, 05:05:19 AM
So can Kri defend their beast yet? The RP was done every which way just to appease them. At the end of the day if you want to have a beast, you need to defend it. It's part of the game.

Title: Re: So.
Post by: UettoSenju on August 12, 2015, 06:01:48 AM
Am I missing something cause I don't see any lashing out or anything...

You guys are really trying to turn this place into a sissy fest aren't you? The whole point of debating is to argue. I rather enjoy seeing people get fired up... Means they take what they are doing serous.

I complement people that have heart. Let your passion burn bright. That's what being a Shinobi is all about. I would think Naruto himself taught us that.

P.s. Once I get my necklace back I'll be coming for those beast as well. All 9 of em. And my lovely tree will have all 9 in the end. Think it's about time I present my three pieces of war to the world of SL. #fearthesenju
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 12, 2015, 06:08:33 AM
Am I missing something cause I don't see any lashing out or anything...

You guys are really trying to turn this place into a sissy fest aren't you? The whole point of debating is to argue. I rather enjoy seeing people get fired up... Means they take what they are doing serous.

I complement people that have heart. Let your passion burn bright. That's what being a Shinobi is all about. I would think Naruto himself taught us that.

P.s. Once I get my necklace back I'll be coming for those beast as well. All 9 of em. And my lovely tree will have all 9 in the end. Think it's about time I present my three pieces of war to the world of SL. #fearthesenju
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Eric on August 12, 2015, 06:25:29 AM
Am I missing something cause I don't see any lashing out or anything...

You guys are really trying to turn this place into a sissy fest aren't you? The whole point of debating is to argue. I rather enjoy seeing people get fired up... Means they take what they are doing serous.

I complement people that have heart. Let your passion burn bright. That's what being a Shinobi is all about. I would think Naruto himself taught us that...


Passion on its own is great, but when that passion starts leading to insults and jabs that derail the whole point of the discussion/argument, turning it into a fight on the personal level and ad hominem, then passion is excessive and needs to be curbed. I think the Naruto series showed what unbridled, unchecked passion can lead to as far as consequences as well as the benefits.

If there is nothing left to discuss here then I am locking the thread. If the RP (or an alternate RP) was chosen and all is resolved, then there is nothing left to argue here.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Masane on August 12, 2015, 06:32:22 AM
I want to know if they are going to defend that beast. We have done like 3 different rps. Is she gonna fight?
Title: Re: So.
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on August 12, 2015, 08:37:03 AM
Has anyone noticed she doesn't even had a forum account?
Why don't you just ask her?
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Old Man Xia on August 13, 2015, 01:41:30 AM
So can Kri defend their beast yet? The RP was done every which way just to appease them. At the end of the day if you want to have a beast, you need to defend it. It's part of the game.

Not saying i'm defending the beast. I'm saying that there was so many wrongs I saw in that RP. How can you even get Nibi chakra from the Senju Grand Tree anyway? I saw no mention of bijuu chakra in the wiki profile for it.

I want to know if they are going to defend that beast. We have done like 3 different rps. Is she gonna fight?

She will fight because rules are rules. Don't meta game or anything like that.... That is all i'm asking for.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on August 13, 2015, 02:21:25 AM
So can Kri defend their beast yet? The RP was done every which way just to appease them. At the end of the day if you want to have a beast, you need to defend it. It's part of the game.

Not saying i'm defending the beast. I'm saying that there was so many wrongs I saw in that RP. How can you even get Nibi chakra from the Senju Grand Tree anyway? I saw no mention of bijuu chakra in the wiki profile for it.

I want to know if they are going to defend that beast. We have done like 3 different rps. Is she gonna fight?

She will fight because rules are rules. Don't meta game or anything like that.... That is all i'm asking for.

-Slow Claps- Know what, even I can applaud a guy defending his villagers. You may dislike me, but kudos to you pal.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Suishou Koji on August 13, 2015, 02:29:03 AM
Eric, you should probably lock this thread pretty soon. It doesn't look like it's going to get any better.
Title: Re: So.
Post by: Eric on August 13, 2015, 07:46:04 AM
It would seem that you are right on the matter. The rest of this can be solved on SL.